PC Gaming Alliance says: console games are crap

[QUOTE="Snugenz"][QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="porchmonkeyman"]

ut2k4=noobie shieldgun, plus noobie adrenaline.

the ut3 people made a ut2k4 double dodge jump mutator so the jumping is same as ut2k4 in ut3.

skrat_01

Definitely, lol

What happened to your Woobabooba account porch******man ?

Oh and btw Randall is the only person allowed to use that phrase in a non derogitory sense so i'd make a new account soonish if i were you. ;)

Isnt the term Porch****** considered to be racist ?

Indeed, which is the reason i suggested he change it. ;)

Edit: Seems he's banned now so i removed the phrase from my previous post and your quote just incase. ;)

to the original post:

who cares? why do consoles continue to sell? why do people still play halo 3 and call of duty 4? people played those for more than 30 days, i'm pretty sure.

i guess pc gamers are just superior to us moronic console gamers...:?

i guess pc gamers are just superior to us moronic console gamers...:?

thesmiter

It's ok, you don't need to apoligize for your ways. I understand that you console users didn't ask to be born with the terrible affliction but as long as you don't try to fight these urges to play consoles over PC there is very little me and my brethren can do to help you. Even we PC gamers, as smart and superior as we are, can only do so much to cure you.

What a pretentious thing to say. People are still playing the original Mario, and that has been around a decade longer than Fallout. Thirty days? Halo 3 still dominates LIVE a year later, and Halo 2 still has an active community...

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I greatly enjoy PC gaming, but these one-sided extremist comments need to stop. Y'know how ignorant a console-fanboy looks when they claim "PC gaming costs $200 a month in upgrades"? Comments like these about console gaming make a PC enthusiast look just as foolish.

I greatly enjoy PC gaming, but these one-sided extremist comments need to stop. Y'know how ignorant a console-fanboy looks when they claim "PC gaming costs $200 a month in upgrades"? Comments like these about console gaming make a PC enthusiast look just as foolish.

subrosian

Yeah because console fanboys don't have any crazy arguments like PC gaming is dying, that would never be said........

What a pretentious thing to say. People are still playing the original Mario, and that has been around a decade longer than Fallout. Thirty days? Halo 3 still dominates LIVE a year later, and Halo 2 still has an active community...

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I greatly enjoy PC gaming, but these one-sided extremist comments need to stop. Y'know how ignorant a console-fanboy looks when they claim "PC gaming costs $200 a month in upgrades"? Comments like these about console gaming make a PC enthusiast look just as foolish.

subrosian

People are still playing the original Mario....as in they've been playing it since the eighties?

Look at it this way....we know...I know, at least, that console games can be played over a long period of time. I beat Uncharted, Ratchet, and Resistance 3 times each. But even so, when I boot up Warcraft 3....despite the fact that I beat the singleplayer campaign and the expansion...years ago, I think more than once a piece...and I played ladder fairly frequently, what really keeps me coming back is the fact that every time I go to the custom games section on WC3 I can find new maps, new content.

This obviously is not the case on consoles.

User created content is the number one thing that drives replayability in my opinion. Beyond that is tight gameplay. But even gameplay can (and frequently is) be improved by mods.

This point is so understated on these forums it's not even funny. So don't even get me started.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes. There is so much more content in a game like WC3 that you don't have to be a masochist or a retro junkie to enjoy them. You can just play them because there's a slew of new stuff to explore and enjoy every time you log on.

if console games are crap, then i got crappy tastes in gaming :)

if console games are crap, then i got crappy tastes in gaming :)

Malta_1980

Don't get too down on yourself, many people suffer from the same problem. Once we find a way to fix you we will. Hang in there.

This obviously is not the case on consoles.BobHipJames

There is a huge amount of user-generated content on consoles. Some of it falls in a legal gray area, but that does not mean it is non-existent. Just because you've *personally* spent more time with Warcraft 3 does not mean that this is true for *everyone*. The majority of gamers I know (many of whom are serious PC enthusiasts) have brought out their old consoles at every gathering. I've been playing Mario Kart (SNES) far more regularly, and for far more hours, than any PC FPS.

This extremist non-sense that "console games are only interesting for 30 days" is baloney, utter baloney.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes.

bobhipjames

At least half of the best series, games, and experiences in gaming, of all time, can be found on consoles. Some of the most memorable experiences and cultural standards for gaming have come from consoles. What you're saying here is utterly hateful - arbitrarily, because something is a "console", any content on it is automatically inferior?

Yeah? What PC platformers were topping Super Mario World in the early 1990s? Why has Mario made a great postive impact on gaming? You need to realize that all gaming contributes - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

You need to realize that all gaming contribute - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

subrosian

Your on System wars, that's the super highway connecting all those roads.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

i guess pc gamers are just superior to us moronic console gamers...:?

Jade_Monkey

It's ok, you don't need to apoligize for your ways. I understand that you console users didn't ask to be born with the terrible affliction but as long as you don't try to fight these urges to play consoles over PC there is very little me and my brethren can do to help you. Even we PC gamers, as smart and superior as we are, can only do so much to cure you.

what's up with you? i just like playing games on my ps3. i can't afford a good pc, i already have an old one that functions fine, just isn't for games.

you come off as rude and arrogant in all of your posts, flaming consoles as something that should be treated as a disease (you'll probably just quote the disease part and agree).

i guess all the people that buy consoles are fools because they aren't computer savvy? most of my friends can't effectively work a pc past the standard basic user-friendly parts. in fact, only one guy i know can, and, well, most of what he does is illegal...

but i guess my friend that got a full ride to Notre Dame, or my friend who got the same at U of A, and get near perfect grades, are idiots because they can't work a pc? they both have consoles, one each. a ps3 and xbox.

i'm sure you're like that in other aspects of life, as well: arrogant and rude to those who do not except your ideals. well, have fun with your pc, you perfect man.

consoles are something that should be treated as a diseasethesmiter

I agree.

but i guess my friend that got a full ride to Notre Dame, or my friend who got the same at U of A, and get near perfect grades, are idiots because they can't work a pc? they both have consoles, one each. a ps3 and xbox.thesmiter

I'm afraid they are in fact of subpar intelligence. You see they have book smarts but they don't have the common sense and willpower it takes to resist consle gaming. I will say a prayer for them.

well, have fun with your pc, you perfect man.

thesmiter

Why thank you good sir, I will do that indeed. I would say to enjoy your consoles but I can't condone such acts.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]This obviously is not the case on consoles.subrosian

There is a huge amount of user-generated content on consoles. Some of it falls in a legal gray area, but that does not mean it is non-existent. Just because you've *personally* spent more time with Warcraft 3 does not mean that this is true for *everyone*. The majority of gamers I know (many of whom are serious PC enthusiasts) have brought out their old consoles at every gathering. I've been playing Mario Kart (SNES) far more regularly, and for far more hours, than any PC FPS.

This extremist non-sense that "console games are only interesting for 30 days" is baloney, utter baloney.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes.

bobhipjames

At least half of the best series, games, and experiences in gaming, of all time, can be found on consoles. Some of the most memorable experiences and cultural standards for gaming have come from consoles. What you're saying here is utterly hateful - arbitrarily, because something is a "console", any content on it is automatically inferior?

Yeah? What PC platformers were topping Super Mario World in the early 1990s? Why has Mario made a great postive impact on gaming? You need to realize that all gaming contribute - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

Yeah, because Mario Kart totally has the replayability factor. You can play Mario Kart on singleplayer, or with friends on split screen. You can, like, play one pre-made map....or, like another. Fascinating. Tell me more.

I never said that console games are interesting for thirty days. You're attacking a straw man.

For the record: I agree that it is baloney. Do I care? No. Quote the part where I said I beat RFOM, Uncharted, and Ratchet 3 times please. Quote that. I dare you.

User created content, relatively speaking, is an embarrassment on consoles. There's probably more user-created content being created in the lifetime of one server on Gmod than in the entire lifetime of any of the three consoles, including the PS3, which is sadly the only one actually attempting to support it with anything other than a limpwristed attempt.

LBP has gone a long way in that regard, and it doesn't get NEARLY enough respect for what it's becoming. Just playing the beta for 5-6 hours, I've got to say, I'm already impressed, both with the toolset, the implentation, and the creativity of those people. But LBP is basically the only exception in recent memory. The "Forge" on Halo 3 is a practical embarrasment when compared to, say, Far Cry 2's level editor.

Basically: Mario Kart doesn't advance your point about user-created content on consoles. User created content was really my angle. Sure, there can be compelling pieces of software on a piece of hardware that's designed to play a piece of software. But the community that churns out compelling content for free distribution like it's going out of style on the PC is absolutely unrivaled on any console.

The fact is that I utterly despise consoles. I hate them. I've played them too damn much. I've loved them, and now I'm drawn to the idea of hating them. Why? Because I hate closed platforms. When somebody closes a box off to the world, says, "You can create content for this, and share it, but only with our consent, and through our network," it's extraordinarily limiting on the kind of stuff that can be produced by the community. There's a hell of a lot of software out on consoles, and if I had a collection of it, it'd easily rival the best stuff that's been produced by PC gamers over the years, but the fact of the matter is that all of it comes with a price tag and all of it is released across seperate platforms split into different spheres.

I'd rather argue the wide-angled, open-ended PC versus a particular console than "consoles," like they all interbred in the 80s and produced some super-conglomerate. There isn't one among us that would call it easy to own every console on the market and thus broaden his horizons by indulging in the likes of Mario, Gears of War, and Halo.

Is there great stuff on consoles? Yes. Would it be infinitely better if it were reproduced on the PC with no restrictions on networks or game code? It would be an explosion.

It's more a matter of relative worth. Relative to that ideal.

And for the record: I've never liked Mario Kart. Never. I've never liked Halo either. I don't know what the draw is. Have you ever played Company of Heroes? That game is such ownage to either game you've mentioned.

what's up with you? i just like playing games on my ps3. i can't afford a good pc, i already have an old one that functions fine, just isn't for games.

you come off as rude and arrogant in all of your posts, flaming consoles as something that should be treated as a disease (you'll probably just quote the disease part and agree).

i guess all the people that buy consoles are fools because they aren't computer savvy? most of my friends can't effectively work a pc past the standard basic user-friendly parts. in fact, only one guy i know can, and, well, most of what he does is illegal...

but i guess my friend that got a full ride to Notre Dame, or my friend who got the same at U of A, and get near perfect grades, are idiots because they can't work a pc? they both have consoles, one each. a ps3 and xbox.

i'm sure you're like that in other aspects of life, as well: arrogant and rude to those who do not except your ideals. well, have fun with your pc, you perfect man.

thesmiter

Radeon HD 4670 MSRP $80 512 MB

2 gigs of DDR2 RAM can cost as little as $30 after rebate from Newegg and doesn't get much higher than $80 on a bad day with very little shopping.

Processors are dirt cheap.

My mo-bo was free at Fry's with the purchase of a processor, but even if I hadn't, it would have cost me $50.

In short, if you wanted to upgrade, you could.

Radeon HD 4670 MSRP $80 512 MB

2 gigs of DDR2 RAM can cost as little as $30 after rebate from Newegg and doesn't get much higher than $80 on a bad day with very little shopping.

Processors are dirt cheap.

My mo-bo was free at Fry's with the purchase of a processor, but even if I hadn't, it would have cost me $50.

In short, if you wanted to upgrade, you could.

BobHipJames

I am afraid you may have been too technical. Those who have used consoles for extended periods of time should be eased into updated technology carefully.

If the content being produced on PC for "free" (and that's a misnomer, time is money) were as polished, access-able, and appealing as the content on consoles, consoles would not exist. The market wouldn't support them. And yet, it does, so consoles are obviously meeting a need.

The notion that a platform being "closed" is inheriently a terrible thing is frustarting. There's no guarantee that a fully open platform produces better results - Linux certainly hasn't turned up a better gaming community than Windows, for example. The hatred of consoles for being "closed" is misplaced, and to assume gaming would be better off if "everything was on PC" is odd. Genuine openness is YouTube, a wasteland of poor content, with gems here and there - that's not to say I support closed-platforms or open either - but on PC you have technical barriers that keep the worst offenders out - but as things become easier? As PC grows? There are some usless Oblivion mods out there...

PCs need consoles, the market needs the challenge of meeting a diverse range of game consumer needs. PC is an excellent platform - but really there is a lot of crap out there. There are a lot of terrible free MMOs, there are a plethora of crappy games. Just, paint hte full picture - these guys aren't.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

consoles are something that should be treated as a diseaseJade_Monkey

I agree.

but i guess my friend that got a full ride to Notre Dame, or my friend who got the same at U of A, and get near perfect grades, are idiots because they can't work a pc? they both have consoles, one each. a ps3 and xbox.thesmiter

I'm afraid they are in fact of subpar intelligence. You see they have book smarts but they don't have the common sense and willpower it takes to resist consle gaming. I will say a prayer for them.

well, have fun with your pc, you perfect man.

thesmiter

Why thank you good sir, I will do that indeed. I would say to enjoy your consoles but I can't condone such acts.

you have proved my previous post correct. subpar intelligence... they were both skilled athletes in high school. and A students. and got into great schools. and are successful in almost all of their endeavors. no common sense, though, right?

If the content being produced on PC for "free" (and that's a misnomer, time is money) were as polished, access-able, and appealing as the content on consoles, consoles would not exist. The market wouldn't support them. And yet, it does, so consoles are obviously meeting a need.

The notion that a platform being "closed" is inherently a terrible thing is frustrating. There's no guarantee that a fully open platform produces better results - Linux certainly hasn't turned up a better gaming community than Windows, for example. The hatred of consoles for being "closed" is misplaced, and to assume gaming would be better off if "everything was on PC" is odd.

PCs need consoles, the market needs the challenge of meeting a diverse range of game consumer needs. PC is an excellent platform - but really there is a lot of crap out there. There are a lot o terrible free MMOs, there are a plethora of crappy games. Just, paint the full picture - these guys aren't.

subrosian

exactly

you have proved my previous post correct. subpar intelligence... they were both skilled athletes in high school. and A students. and got into great schools. and are successful in almost all of their endeavors. no common sense, though, right?

thesmiter

Skilled in athletics does not prove anything I am afraid. I am sorry but my diagnosis of subpar intelligence and lack of common sense seems to be correct. All is not lost though, they can still see the light and turn their back on the console demon. If you or them would like to start a new life of PC bliss I would be glad to help you overcome your problems.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]but i guess my friend that got a full ride to Notre Dame, or my friend who got the same at U of A, and get near perfect grades, are idiots because they can't work a pc? they both have consoles, one each. a ps3 and xbox.Jade_Monkey

I'm afraid they are in fact of subpar intelligence.

Your on System wars, that's the super highway connecting all those roads.

Jade_Monkey

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

If the content being produced on PC for "free" (and that's a misnomer, time is money) were as polished, access-able, and appealing as the content on consoles, consoles would not exist. The market wouldn't support them. And yet, it does, so consoles are obviously meeting a need.

PCs need consoles, the market needs the challenge of meeting a diverse range of game consumer needs. PC is an excellent platform - but really there is a lot of crap out there. There are a lot o terrible free MMOs, there are a plethora of crappy games. Just, paint hte full picture - these guys aren't.

Jade_Monkey

1. Consoles are meetign aneed: the need of the lower class citizens to be entertained

2. PCs do need consoles, just as every King needs a jester to make us laugh.

Odd that Bill Gates has an Xbox and Xbox 360 then. I guess he's "lower cl ass". Everyone who makes under one billion a year is lower cl ass - you might get some politicians agreeing with you ;)

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And that elitist notion that the PC doesn't need competition as a platform is ridiculous. Without consoles, the gaming market would be half (or less) of the size it is today. Consoles introduced so many people to gaming after the death of arcades, in a way that PC gaming wasn't guaranteed to do.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

If the content being produced on PC for "free" (and that's a misnomer, time is money) were as polished, access-able, and appealing as the content on consoles, consoles would not exist. The market wouldn't support them. And yet, it does, so consoles are obviously meeting a need.

PCs need consoles, the market needs the challenge of meeting a diverse range of game consumer needs. PC is an excellent platform - but really there is a lot of crap out there. There are a lot o terrible free MMOs, there are a plethora of crappy games. Just, paint hte full picture - these guys aren't.

Jade_Monkey

1. Consoles are meetign aneed: the need of the lower class citizens to be entertained

2. PCs do need consoles, just as every King needs a jester to make us laugh.

all i take away from your posts is that you lack humility and character in any way, shape, or form. lower class... that is just idiotic. your arrogance is showing.

Anyway, I think we can agree it's really silly to think that console games only have a lifespan of 30 days. The fact that most of us are still playing console games from years ago proves that. Really foolish thing to say, on their behalf.V_Isle

Oh I agree console gaming lasts for more than 30 days, just as such things as heroin addictiion can last for more than 30 days.

Finally, someone in the industry that can connect with us gamers, I'm starting to like this PC Gaming Alliance.wood_duck

My only problem is that some members are two faced and are involved in console gaming. We must deal with them promptly and make an example of them.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Odd that Bill Gates has an Xbox and Xbox 360 then. I guess he's "lower cl ass". Everyone who makes under one billion a year is lower cl ass - you must be a politician ;)

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And that elitist notion that the PC doesn't need competition as a platform is ridiculous. Without consoles, the gaming market would be half (or less) of the size it is today. Consoles introduced so many people to gaming after the death of arcades, in a way that PC gaming wasn't guaranteed to do.

Jade_Monkey

I did not mean lower class in money, I mean in character.

and character is decided by what you play video games on? not by the adversity and difficulty of one's life and endeavors? my friend, you are a sad person.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Odd that Bill Gates has an Xbox and Xbox 360 then. I guess he's "lower cl ass". Everyone who makes under one billion a year is lower cl ass - you must be a politician ;)

--

And that elitist notion that the PC doesn't need competition as a platform is ridiculous. Without consoles, the gaming market would be half (or less) of the size it is today. Consoles introduced so many people to gaming after the death of arcades, in a way that PC gaming wasn't guaranteed to do.

Jade_Monkey

I did not mean lower class in money, I mean in character.

Bill and Melinda Gates give billions of dollars to charity, and spend most of their free time trying to help the less fortunate people of the world. Low character?

If the content being produced on PC for "free" (and that's a misnomer, time is money) were as polished, access-able, and appealing as the content on consoles, consoles would not exist. The market wouldn't support them. And yet, it does, so consoles are obviously meeting a need.

The notion that a platform being "closed" is inheriently a terible thing is frustarting. There's no guarantee that a fully open platform productes better results - Linux certainly hasn't turned up a better gaming community than Windows, for example. The hatred of consoles for being "closed" is misplaced, and to assume gaming would be better off if "everything was on PC" is odd.

PCs need consoles, the market needs the challenge of meeting a diverse range of game consumer needs. PC is an excellent platform - but really there is a lot of crap out there. There are a lot o terrible free MMOs, there are a plethora of crappy games. Just, paint hte full picture - these guys aren't.

subrosian

Time is not money.

The time I take to take a piss is not equal to money. I am not producing piss. I am likewise not losing money. Either way, economics are something to discuss another day. But at your very best stretch, you can basically conclude that time is the potential to make money. And that's still a ridiculous thing to say. If I'm in a car accident, time is not money. Time is not even the potential to make money. Time is time to heal a brutal injury and the more time I give it to heal the better.

Acessable: hundreds of developers on a paid staff creating a game in their work-time, not their free-time....creating thousands, if not millions of lines of code, purchasing licensing to use engines, creating models, creating their own proprietary engines perhaps....etc. To the user....what's more appealing? Paying $60 which is wrapped in licensing fees and retailer markups for a product that essentially has no map editor, no user-created content infrastructure, and no infrastructure for sharing content....or a game which costs $50 to purchase online on the day of release and steadily drops...for which you basically put the game in the drive, install to the hard disc, boot up, and create an online login.

Or even for mods....how hard is Moddb to navigate, really? I feel like I'm walking through a grocery store with a grocery cart, throwing in mods. I just download the clients and install the mods. Then I play them. I download UCC all the time when I play CSS, be it maps or mods or whatever. Or in WC3 I just download maps from their map editor. It's insanely easy to use. I find it infinitely easier than the "alternative" on consoles.

Microsoft dominates the OS market. If developers want their games to make money and reach a wide audience, they develop for Microsoft OSes. Mac OS has recently become more popularized, and you're beginning to see the game development aspect shift in their favor. It's directly related to market share how much software is developed for your platform.

If we were all using Linux, the amount of software made for it on a constant basis would be absolutely staggering.

PC's need consoles....no, they don't. PC is self-sufficient. I don't need consoles to enjoy PC gaming. I don't need console games to enjoy PC games. PC developers don't need console developers at all. Steam is a fabulous digital distribution service. I see it as a far better launchpad than anything on consoles or in the retail distribution market. It's better for mods, maps, full games, arcade games than your average retail channel.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

*Goes to look at the lifetime matches logged in Halo 3, surpassing Halo 2's lifetime in 1/4th the time*
*Goes to look at the thousands still playing Halo 2, despite the superior Halo 3*
*COD4 still number 1 on XBL.com after a year*
*Gears of War still in the top 5 on XBL.com after 2 years*

/thread + PCGA. Its not surprising honestly, the most vocal ones are usually the ones that has no ties to console gaming and its benefits. Make a console game, watch us BUY it and make your company rich, then come back and complain to us.

skrat_01

Besides with online games they tend to stick, because of the player base, however in terms of the console market on a whole, they have a point - the console market has a very high turnover rate, especially compared to the PC one.

As I said in some of my last posts, there are loads of reasons, however in the console market you simply are never going to see 10 year old titles rub shoulders on the store shelves - in almost their original state, next to new releases. Very different markets, very different communities.

This seems to be the markets in general however, that reflect on the respective systems. There is nothing to say that gamers dont go back to play their old console games.... I was playing Super BC Kid / Bonk on my SNES yesterday, however you will find people more frequently replaying older PC titles, and them having large online communities - due to the nature of the platform.

Why can't it be compared? It completely annihilates the claims that they made. Just because your giving all sorts of criteria that a game must meet to be considered "Still playing 10 years later" doesn't change the fact that people are still playing H2 online by the thousands daily.

Like I said earlier, they have zero method of going about proving that people aren't still playing their Genesis, NES, Saturns, PSOnes.. etc... Its a huge assumption based on the fact that any console pre-PS2 had a massive online/offline disconnect.

[QUOTE="Jade_Monkey"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Odd that Bill Gates has an Xbox and Xbox 360 then. I guess he's "lower cl ass". Everyone who makes under one billion a year is lower cl ass - you must be a politician ;)

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And that elitist notion that the PC doesn't need competition as a platform is ridiculous. Without consoles, the gaming market would be half (or less) of the size it is today. Consoles introduced so many people to gaming after the death of arcades, in a way that PC gaming wasn't guaranteed to do.

subrosian

I did not mean lower class in money, I mean in character.

Bill and Melinda Gates give billions of dollars to charity, and spend most of their free time trying to help the less fortunate people of the world. Low character?

Throw money at it.

Classic Microsoft.

I'm sorry, that was low.

But honestly, all I want from Microsoft is a good product. A stable, reliable, product. Instead, all we get is bloated malware that clogs up the tubes with background processes, inefficient coding, and kernal that requires an iterative release just to make an update (especially from the API).

Why can't it be compared? It completely annihilates the claims that they made. Just because your giving all sorts of criteria that a game must meet to be considered "Still playing 10 years later" doesn't change the fact that people are still playing H2 online by the thousands daily.

Like I said earlier, they have zero method of going about proving that people aren't still playing their Genesis, NES, Saturns, PSOnes.. etc... Its a huge assumption based on the fact that any console pre-PS2 had a massive online/offline disconnect.

Pro_wrestler

Ugh. I wouldn't play Halo 2 for ten minutes. The game sucks. There's nothing to change that, nothing to make it interesting or fresh. It's just Elites all day long. No thank you.

Sure, people are playing it, but they don't know what the hell they're doing.

JM, I don't care whether or not you're being serious or sarcastic, but you're making us look bad.aliblabla2007

Brother we must be strong and united. Only then can we conquer the console demons and save these people. Now take my hand and pray with me.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

If the content being produced on PC for "free" (and that's a misnomer, time is money) were as polished, access-able, and appealing as the content on consoles, consoles would not exist. The market wouldn't support them. And yet, it does, so consoles are obviously meeting a need.

The notion that a platform being "closed" is inheriently a terible thing is frustarting. There's no guarantee that a fully open platform productes better results - Linux certainly hasn't turned up a better gaming community than Windows, for example. The hatred of consoles for being "closed" is misplaced, and to assume gaming would be better off if "everything was on PC" is odd.

PCs need consoles, the market needs the challenge of meeting a diverse range of game consumer needs. PC is an excellent platform - but really there is a lot of crap out there. There are a lot o terrible free MMOs, there are a plethora of crappy games. Just, paint hte full picture - these guys aren't.

BobHipJames

Time is not money.

The time I take to take a piss is not equal to money. I am not producing piss. I am likewise not losing money. Either way, economics are something to discuss another day. But at your very best stretch, you can basically conclude that time is the potential to make money. And that's still a ridiculous thing to say. If I'm in a car accident, time is not money. Time is not even the potential to make money. Time is time to heal a brutal injury and the more time I give it to heal the better.

Acessable: hundreds of developers on a paid staff creating a game in their work-time, not their free-time....creating thousands, if not millions of lines of code, purchasing licensing to use engines, creating models, creating their own proprietary engines perhaps....etc. To the user....what's more appealing? Paying $60 which is wrapped in licensing fees and retailer markups for a product that essentially has no map editor, no user-created content infrastructure, and no infrastructure for sharing content....or a game which costs $50 to purchase online on the day of release and steadily drops...for which you basically put the game in the drive, install to the hard disc, boot up, and create an online login.

Or even for mods....how hard is Moddb to navigate, really? I feel like I'm walking through a grocery store with a grocery cart, throwing in mods. I just download the clients and install the mods. Then I play them. I download UCC all the time when I play CSS, be it maps or mods or whatever. Or in WC3 I just download maps from their map editor. It's insanely easy to use. I find it infinitely easier than the "alternative" on consoles.

Microsoft dominates the OS market. If developers want their games to make money and reach a wide audience, they develop for Microsoft OSes. Mac OS has recently become more popularized, and you're beginning to see the game development aspect shift in their favor. It's directly related to market share how much software is developed for your platform.

If we were all using Linux, the amount of software made for it on a constant basis would be absolutely staggering.

PC's need consoles....no, they don't. PC is self-sufficient. I don't need consoles to enjoy PC gaming. I don't need console games to enjoy PC games. PC developers don't need console developers at all. Steam is a fabulous digital distribution service. I see it as a far better launchpad than anything on consoles or in the retail distribution market. It's better for mods, maps, full games, arcade games than your average retail channel.

time is indeed money. that could be discussed in an economic forum of some kind, in terms of investment and compound interest.

on the subject of pc, you include far too many 'ifs.' the fact is, consoles thrive and provide a good gaming experience. pc does as well. and the vast majority of pc games are for the MS os. show me otherwise.

and since consoles compete for much of the same market share as consoles, the competition forces devs to up the quality of their games.

the more competition, the better the quality. history proves this.

on the subject of pc, you include far too many 'ifs.' the fact is, consoles thrive and provide a good gaming experience. pc does as well. and the vast majority of pc games are for the MS os. show me otherwise.

thesmiter

I guess if you haven't experienced a true PC gaming session consoles provide a "good" gaming experience.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Why can't it be compared? It completely annihilates the claims that they made. Just because your giving all sorts of criteria that a game must meet to be considered "Still playing 10 years later" doesn't change the fact that people are still playing H2 online by the thousands daily.

Like I said earlier, they have zero method of going about proving that people aren't still playing their Genesis, NES, Saturns, PSOnes.. etc... Its a huge assumption based on the fact that any console pre-PS2 had a massive online/offline disconnect.

BobHipJames

Ugh. I wouldn't play Halo 2 for ten minutes. The game sucks. There's nothing to change that, nothing to make it interesting or fresh. It's just Elites all day long. No thank you.

Sure, people are playing it, but they don't know what the hell they're doing.

so you don't like halo 2. so consoles suck. oh wait... lots of people, including myself, loved halo 2, and 3. i think sales prove this.

to say people 'don't know what the hell they're doing' because they play a game that you don't like is foolish. i don't like WoW. therefore, millions of people don't know what the hell they are doing, according to your method and my taste in games. that is just stupid.

Heh, build a relationship or they'll just DL you game for free. Arrr matey.

I thought PC was about the future, apparently you just play games like fallout 1, no wonder devs wanna get games to consoles now.

so you don't like halo 2. so consoles suck. oh wait... lots of people, including myself, loved halo 2, and 3. i think sales prove this.

to say people 'don't know what the hell they're doing' because they play a game that you don't like is foolish. i don't like WoW. therefore, millions of people don't know what the hell they are doing, according to your method and my taste in games. that is just stupid.

thesmiter

Very simple: people buy Halo because of peer pressure. They want their consolite friends to think thye are "hip" and "cool" that they go buy this game.

[QUOTE="wood_duck"]Finally, someone in the industry that can connect with us gamers, I'm starting to like this PC Gaming Alliance.Jade_Monkey

My only problem is that some members are two faced and are involved in console gaming. We must deal with them promptly and make an example of them.

Yes! This sounds like a sound plan. Super Console anniahlation Squad AWAY!

Yes! This sounds like a sound plan. Super Console anniahlation Squad AWAY!

wood_duck

They have been dispatched, the will of the PC shall be served.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

on the subject of pc, you include far too many 'ifs.' the fact is, consoles thrive and provide a good gaming experience. pc does as well. and the vast majority of pc games are for the MS os. show me otherwise.

Jade_Monkey

I guess if you haven't experienced a true PC gaming session consoles provide a "good" gaming experience.

counter-strike, the total wars since rome, sims 1 and 2, battlefield 2, halo on the pc, many command and conquer games, warcraft since 1, starcraft up to brood wars, america's army, all those old strategy games like age of empires, rise of nations, etc. those just off the top of my head.

i will only upgrade my pc when if fails to function, so my latest game, medieval 2: total war, will probably be the last for a while.

but despite all the pc games, many people enjoy both. how strange...

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

so you don't like halo 2. so consoles suck. oh wait... lots of people, including myself, loved halo 2, and 3. i think sales prove this.

to say people 'don't know what the hell they're doing' because they play a game that you don't like is foolish. i don't like WoW. therefore, millions of people don't know what the hell they are doing, according to your method and my taste in games. that is just stupid.

Jade_Monkey

Very simple: people buy Halo because of peer pressure. They want their consolite friends to think thye are "hip" and "cool" that they go buy this game.

the words 'video games' and 'hip and cool' have never been used in the same sentence until you wrote that.:P

i enjoy halo because it is fun, and i do play with my friends. is it wrong to want to play and talk and have fun with friends on a game?

but i played halo 2 frequently even when my friends were unavailable. halo is just fun to me.

the words 'video games' and 'hip and cool' have never been used in the same sentence until you wrote that.:P

i enjoy halo because it is fun, and i do play with my friends. is it wrong to want to play and talk and have fun with friends on a game?

but i played halo 2 frequently even when my friends were unavailable. halo is just fun to me.

thesmiter

It's ok, you don't have to lie here. I can protect you from the wrath of your friends. Feel free to say how you truly feel about consoles. let it out.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

the words 'video games' and 'hip and cool' have never been used in the same sentence until you wrote that.:P

i enjoy halo because it is fun, and i do play with my friends. is it wrong to want to play and talk and have fun with friends on a game?

but i played halo 2 frequently even when my friends were unavailable. halo is just fun to me.

Jade_Monkey

It's ok, you don't have to lie here. I can protect you from the wrath of your friends. Feel free to say how you truly feel about consoles. let it out.

they are great and despite the fact that pc games are able to be more advanced, consoles are a fun gaming platform. and you don't have to worry about upgrades until the next one comes out. like i said, i don't upgrade. i use as is until it dies.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Why can't it be compared? It completely annihilates the claims that they made. Just because your giving all sorts of criteria that a game must meet to be considered "Still playing 10 years later" doesn't change the fact that people are still playing H2 online by the thousands daily.

Like I said earlier, they have zero method of going about proving that people aren't still playing their Genesis, NES, Saturns, PSOnes.. etc... Its a huge assumption based on the fact that any console pre-PS2 had a massive online/offline disconnect.

thesmiter

Ugh. I wouldn't play Halo 2 for ten minutes. The game sucks. There's nothing to change that, nothing to make it interesting or fresh. It's just Elites all day long. No thank you.

Sure, people are playing it, but they don't know what the hell they're doing.

so you don't like halo 2. so consoles suck. oh wait... lots of people, including myself, loved halo 2, and 3. i think sales prove this.

to say people 'don't know what the hell they're doing' because they play a game that you don't like is foolish. i don't like WoW. therefore, millions of people don't know what the hell they are doing, according to your method and my taste in games. that is just stupid.

No, there are good console games, and then there is Halo 2. Halo 2 sucks.

WoW is a genre you may or not like. I like FPSes. I don't like Halo 2. Why? Because it sucks.

time is indeed money. that could be discussed in an economic forum of some kind, in terms of investment and compound interest.

on the subject of pc, you include far too many 'ifs.' the fact is, consoles thrive and provide a good gaming experience. pc does as well. and the vast majority of pc games are for the MS os. show me otherwise.

and since consoles compete for much of the same market share as consoles, the competition forces devs to up the quality of their games.

the more competition, the better the quality. history proves this.

thesmiter

Investment and compound interest? Presuming no investment, you have no interest. If you have a time-based interest payment then obviously that means that time equals money by that measure. But you could say the same thing about inflation.

Superficial and inconsequential at best. Free time is free time. I cannot spend my time more wisely to get more money out of my invested principle. The rate stays the same.

PC games are majorly on MS. I provided reasons for this and its included in my analysis.

Competition: competitors could be on the same platform and have at least the same impact on development.

History doesn't prove that, by the way. Theory articulates it well, but it's never been proven. Certainly not by history. Quality isn't the only aspect of production.