PC Gaming Alliance says: console games are crap

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]some of the elite hermits in this thread are really taking it too far...

console gaming is a great thing to go along wiht a nice pc, especially previous gens of consoles
PC360Wii

Now the real bad boys come over and prove my we ahy the best and not trash talk.

who's we? you mean you and your awesome pc?

there really is not point in arguing with hardcore hermits. the concept of people enjoying things that are less expensive is foreign to them.

why take a walk in a park when you could go to an amusement park? why drive your favorite old car instead of buying a brand new benz? why go chill with friends at their house when you could go to an expensive club or resteraunt?

hermits don't get the walk in the park, the favorite car, or the hanging out with friends (probably because they lack physical contact with human beings). based on their views of consoles, you must have the best to have fun at all. anything less is inferior and people who do it are stupid. mmmkay...

i prefer free fun, like hanging out with friends. i prefer playing with friends on my console. its not the most advanced. so what? get over it, hermits.

Your slander is somehow better than his why? Youve just done the exact same thing...

slander in what way? the concept is the same. pc being the only way to have fun is what many of these hermits claim. i have nothing against pc games. i just dislike hermits, usually because they are just like true_gamer.

his sig says it all.

and what makes this slander? i make analogies on the concept of fun and you call it slander? have you read my other posts? have you read the hermit posts on this thread? if this is slander, than what is are the hermit statements?

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]some of the elite hermits in this thread are really taking it too far...

console gaming is a great thing to go along wiht a nice pc, especially previous gens of consoles
Franko_3

Now the real bad boys come over and prove my we ahy the best and not trash talk.

who's we? you mean you and your awesome pc?

there really is not point in arguing with hardcore hermits. the concept of people enjoying things that are less expensive is foreign to them.

on the last new, you pay 10-40$ more than me for your games+ 50$ to play with your friends every years+ you need to pay for the useless dlc that we get for free on the pc.

oh really? i don't play halo or cod with my friends? huh. thats weird. 10-40 more, huh? not just 10? huh. not having to upgrade for the entire gen. huh. i have lots of games? huh... i thought i only had 3 games for my console... hmmm...

like i said before, i have played many pc games, albeit older ones, because my pc is incapable of running better ones. i will not upgrade it. i will use it for 5 or 6 years and get a new one.

pc games are fine, but to say that consoles are void of fun and using one make you inferior is just plain stupid.

theirs still people playing goldeneye, halo 1&2 (tons of people still like 2 better than 3), super mario brothers, a ton of rpgs, etc.

classics will endure regardless of the platform. the guy you quote is very close-minded in this respect. pc games have their place among the gaming communtiy. I would say that the PC market is a better environment for new game ideas overall because of its open nature, but that has not been the case recently.

either way, this guy's argument is just more elitist crap that doesn't hold ground when you apply the facts.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]This obviously is not the case on consoles.BobHipJames

There is a huge amount of user-generated content on consoles. Some of it falls in a legal gray area, but that does not mean it is non-existent. Just because you've *personally* spent more time with Warcraft 3 does not mean that this is true for *everyone*. The majority of gamers I know (many of whom are serious PC enthusiasts) have brought out their old consoles at every gathering. I've been playing Mario Kart (SNES) far more regularly, and for far more hours, than any PC FPS.

This extremist non-sense that "console games are only interesting for 30 days" is baloney, utter baloney.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes.

bobhipjames

At least half of the best series, games, and experiences in gaming, of all time, can be found on consoles. Some of the most memorable experiences and cultural standards for gaming have come from consoles. What you're saying here is utterly hateful - arbitrarily, because something is a "console", any content on it is automatically inferior?

Yeah? What PC platformers were topping Super Mario World in the early 1990s? Why has Mario made a great postive impact on gaming? You need to realize that all gaming contribute - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

Yeah, because Mario Kart totally has the replayability factor. You can play Mario Kart on singleplayer, or with friends on split screen. You can, like, play one pre-made map....or, like another. Fascinating. Tell me more.

I never said that console games are interesting for thirty days. You're attacking a straw man.

For the record: I agree that it is baloney. Do I care? No. Quote the part where I said I beat RFOM, Uncharted, and Ratchet 3 times please. Quote that. I dare you.

User created content, relatively speaking, is an embarrassment on consoles. There's probably more user-created content being created in the lifetime of one server on Gmod than in the entire lifetime of any of the three consoles, including the PS3, which is sadly the only one actually attempting to support it with anything other than a limpwristed attempt.

LBP has gone a long way in that regard, and it doesn't get NEARLY enough respect for what it's becoming. Just playing the beta for 5-6 hours, I've got to say, I'm already impressed, both with the toolset, the implentation, and the creativity of those people. But LBP is basically the only exception in recent memory. The "Forge" on Halo 3 is a practical embarrasment when compared to, say, Far Cry 2's level editor.

Basically: Mario Kart doesn't advance your point about user-created content on consoles. User created content was really my angle. Sure, there can be compelling pieces of software on a piece of hardware that's designed to play a piece of software. But the community that churns out compelling content for free distribution like it's going out of style on the PC is absolutely unrivaled on any console.

The fact is that I utterly despise consoles. I hate them. I've played them too damn much. I've loved them, and now I'm drawn to the idea of hating them. Why? Because I hate closed platforms. When somebody closes a box off to the world, says, "You can create content for this, and share it, but only with our consent, and through our network," it's extraordinarily limiting on the kind of stuff that can be produced by the community. There's a hell of a lot of software out on consoles, and if I had a collection of it, it'd easily rival the best stuff that's been produced by PC gamers over the years, but the fact of the matter is that all of it comes with a price tag and all of it is released across seperate platforms split into different spheres.

I'd rather argue the wide-angled, open-ended PC versus a particular console than "consoles," like they all interbred in the 80s and produced some super-conglomerate. There isn't one among us that would call it easy to own every console on the market and thus broaden his horizons by indulging in the likes of Mario, Gears of War, and Halo.

Is there great stuff on consoles? Yes. Would it be infinitely better if it were reproduced on the PC with no restrictions on networks or game code? It would be an explosion.

It's more a matter of relative worth. Relative to that ideal.

And for the record: I've never liked Mario Kart. Never. I've never liked Halo either. I don't know what the draw is. Have you ever played Company of Heroes? That game is such ownage to either game you've mentioned.

It seems everyone has missed the point.

Consoles and PC's are different. PC's have better user created content because they cater to a different type of gamer. Of course I would like user created content for my Wii or for the 360, but there is simply not enough demand for it. In addition, the divide between consoles and PC's should remain. I don't like that Sony and Microsoft are trying to turn consoles into minature PC's - it basically goes against what they were crated for - accessibilty.

PC and console gaming shouldnt really be compared in this way - theyre chalk and cheese.

Another myth that people like to call on is that the games are more expensive on consoles (especially here in europe). Nonsense. The games are only more expensive if you are retarded enough to pay full retail price for a brand new game, or dnt have the patience to wait for the price of second hand games to fall. And if you live in Europe, chances are you're used to waiting ages for everything anyway.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]This obviously is not the case on consoles.Quofan

There is a huge amount of user-generated content on consoles. Some of it falls in a legal gray area, but that does not mean it is non-existent. Just because you've *personally* spent more time with Warcraft 3 does not mean that this is true for *everyone*. The majority of gamers I know (many of whom are serious PC enthusiasts) have brought out their old consoles at every gathering. I've been playing Mario Kart (SNES) far more regularly, and for far more hours, than any PC FPS.

This extremist non-sense that "console games are only interesting for 30 days" is baloney, utter baloney.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes.

bobhipjames

At least half of the best series, games, and experiences in gaming, of all time, can be found on consoles. Some of the most memorable experiences and cultural standards for gaming have come from consoles. What you're saying here is utterly hateful - arbitrarily, because something is a "console", any content on it is automatically inferior?

Yeah? What PC platformers were topping Super Mario World in the early 1990s? Why has Mario made a great postive impact on gaming? You need to realize that all gaming contribute - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

Yeah, because Mario Kart totally has the replayability factor. You can play Mario Kart on singleplayer, or with friends on split screen. You can, like, play one pre-made map....or, like another. Fascinating. Tell me more.

I never said that console games are interesting for thirty days. You're attacking a straw man.

For the record: I agree that it is baloney. Do I care? No. Quote the part where I said I beat RFOM, Uncharted, and Ratchet 3 times please. Quote that. I dare you.

User created content, relatively speaking, is an embarrassment on consoles. There's probably more user-created content being created in the lifetime of one server on Gmod than in the entire lifetime of any of the three consoles, including the PS3, which is sadly the only one actually attempting to support it with anything other than a limpwristed attempt.

LBP has gone a long way in that regard, and it doesn't get NEARLY enough respect for what it's becoming. Just playing the beta for 5-6 hours, I've got to say, I'm already impressed, both with the toolset, the implentation, and the creativity of those people. But LBP is basically the only exception in recent memory. The "Forge" on Halo 3 is a practical embarrasment when compared to, say, Far Cry 2's level editor.

Basically: Mario Kart doesn't advance your point about user-created content on consoles. User created content was really my angle. Sure, there can be compelling pieces of software on a piece of hardware that's designed to play a piece of software. But the community that churns out compelling content for free distribution like it's going out of style on the PC is absolutely unrivaled on any console.

The fact is that I utterly despise consoles. I hate them. I've played them too damn much. I've loved them, and now I'm drawn to the idea of hating them. Why? Because I hate closed platforms. When somebody closes a box off to the world, says, "You can create content for this, and share it, but only with our consent, and through our network," it's extraordinarily limiting on the kind of stuff that can be produced by the community. There's a hell of a lot of software out on consoles, and if I had a collection of it, it'd easily rival the best stuff that's been produced by PC gamers over the years, but the fact of the matter is that all of it comes with a price tag and all of it is released across seperate platforms split into different spheres.

I'd rather argue the wide-angled, open-ended PC versus a particular console than "consoles," like they all interbred in the 80s and produced some super-conglomerate. There isn't one among us that would call it easy to own every console on the market and thus broaden his horizons by indulging in the likes of Mario, Gears of War, and Halo.

Is there great stuff on consoles? Yes. Would it be infinitely better if it were reproduced on the PC with no restrictions on networks or game code? It would be an explosion.

It's more a matter of relative worth. Relative to that ideal.

And for the record: I've never liked Mario Kart. Never. I've never liked Halo either. I don't know what the draw is. Have you ever played Company of Heroes? That game is such ownage to either game you've mentioned.

It seems everyone has missed the point.

Consoles and PC's are different. PC's have better user created content because they cater to a different type of gamer. Of course I would like user created content for my Wii or for the 360, but there is simply not enough demand for it. In addition, the divide between consoles and PC's should remain. I don't like that Sony and Microsoft are trying to turn consoles into minature PC's - it basically goes against what they were crated for - accessibilty.

PC and console gaming shouldnt really be compared in this way - theyre chalk and cheese.

Another myth that people like to call on is that the games are more expensive on consoles (especially here in europe). Nonsense. The games are only more expensive if you are retarded enough to pay full retail price for a brand new game, or dnt have the patience to wait for the price of second hand games to fall. And if you live in Europe, chances are you're used to waiting ages for everything anyway.

Prices fall on pc games much faster...oh and PES2009 is £18 on PC and £40 on the 360...how long you gonna wait to get it at £18?

[QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]This obviously is not the case on consoles.True_Gamer_

There is a huge amount of user-generated content on consoles. Some of it falls in a legal gray area, but that does not mean it is non-existent. Just because you've *personally* spent more time with Warcraft 3 does not mean that this is true for *everyone*. The majority of gamers I know (many of whom are serious PC enthusiasts) have brought out their old consoles at every gathering. I've been playing Mario Kart (SNES) far more regularly, and for far more hours, than any PC FPS.

This extremist non-sense that "console games are only interesting for 30 days" is baloney, utter baloney.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes.

bobhipjames

At least half of the best series, games, and experiences in gaming, of all time, can be found on consoles. Some of the most memorable experiences and cultural standards for gaming have come from consoles. What you're saying here is utterly hateful - arbitrarily, because something is a "console", any content on it is automatically inferior?

Yeah? What PC platformers were topping Super Mario World in the early 1990s? Why has Mario made a great postive impact on gaming? You need to realize that all gaming contribute - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

Yeah, because Mario Kart totally has the replayability factor. You can play Mario Kart on singleplayer, or with friends on split screen. You can, like, play one pre-made map....or, like another. Fascinating. Tell me more.

I never said that console games are interesting for thirty days. You're attacking a straw man.

For the record: I agree that it is baloney. Do I care? No. Quote the part where I said I beat RFOM, Uncharted, and Ratchet 3 times please. Quote that. I dare you.

User created content, relatively speaking, is an embarrassment on consoles. There's probably more user-created content being created in the lifetime of one server on Gmod than in the entire lifetime of any of the three consoles, including the PS3, which is sadly the only one actually attempting to support it with anything other than a limpwristed attempt.

LBP has gone a long way in that regard, and it doesn't get NEARLY enough respect for what it's becoming. Just playing the beta for 5-6 hours, I've got to say, I'm already impressed, both with the toolset, the implentation, and the creativity of those people. But LBP is basically the only exception in recent memory. The "Forge" on Halo 3 is a practical embarrasment when compared to, say, Far Cry 2's level editor.

Basically: Mario Kart doesn't advance your point about user-created content on consoles. User created content was really my angle. Sure, there can be compelling pieces of software on a piece of hardware that's designed to play a piece of software. But the community that churns out compelling content for free distribution like it's going out of style on the PC is absolutely unrivaled on any console.

The fact is that I utterly despise consoles. I hate them. I've played them too damn much. I've loved them, and now I'm drawn to the idea of hating them. Why? Because I hate closed platforms. When somebody closes a box off to the world, says, "You can create content for this, and share it, but only with our consent, and through our network," it's extraordinarily limiting on the kind of stuff that can be produced by the community. There's a hell of a lot of software out on consoles, and if I had a collection of it, it'd easily rival the best stuff that's been produced by PC gamers over the years, but the fact of the matter is that all of it comes with a price tag and all of it is released across seperate platforms split into different spheres.

I'd rather argue the wide-angled, open-ended PC versus a particular console than "consoles," like they all interbred in the 80s and produced some super-conglomerate. There isn't one among us that would call it easy to own every console on the market and thus broaden his horizons by indulging in the likes of Mario, Gears of War, and Halo.

Is there great stuff on consoles? Yes. Would it be infinitely better if it were reproduced on the PC with no restrictions on networks or game code? It would be an explosion.

It's more a matter of relative worth. Relative to that ideal.

And for the record: I've never liked Mario Kart. Never. I've never liked Halo either. I don't know what the draw is. Have you ever played Company of Heroes? That game is such ownage to either game you've mentioned.

It seems everyone has missed the point.

Consoles and PC's are different. PC's have better user created content because they cater to a different type of gamer. Of course I would like user created content for my Wii or for the 360, but there is simply not enough demand for it. In addition, the divide between consoles and PC's should remain. I don't like that Sony and Microsoft are trying to turn consoles into minature PC's - it basically goes against what they were crated for - accessibilty.

PC and console gaming shouldnt really be compared in this way - theyre chalk and cheese.

Another myth that people like to call on is that the games are more expensive on consoles (especially here in europe). Nonsense. The games are only more expensive if you are retarded enough to pay full retail price for a brand new game, or dnt have the patience to wait for the price of second hand games to fall. And if you live in Europe, chances are you're used to waiting ages for everything anyway.

Prices fall on pc games much faster...oh and PES2009 is £18 on PC and £40 on the 360...how long you gonna wait to get it at £18?

Try a generation.

Ive been doing that for the last two after all. My consoles games (which, according to you lot, don't last more than 30 days) last me long enough. Im in the process of buying cheap xbox, gamecube and soon, ps2 games. Why pay £18 for PES 2009 when there are classics I have yet to play for £2?

Do I care I have to wait? No. My games keep me entertained.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Quofan"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]This obviously is not the case on consoles.Quofan

There is a huge amount of user-generated content on consoles. Some of it falls in a legal gray area, but that does not mean it is non-existent. Just because you've *personally* spent more time with Warcraft 3 does not mean that this is true for *everyone*. The majority of gamers I know (many of whom are serious PC enthusiasts) have brought out their old consoles at every gathering. I've been playing Mario Kart (SNES) far more regularly, and for far more hours, than any PC FPS.

This extremist non-sense that "console games are only interesting for 30 days" is baloney, utter baloney.

Are console games crap? No. Are they crap relative to PC games? God, yes.

bobhipjames

At least half of the best series, games, and experiences in gaming, of all time, can be found on consoles. Some of the most memorable experiences and cultural standards for gaming have come from consoles. What you're saying here is utterly hateful - arbitrarily, because something is a "console", any content on it is automatically inferior?

Yeah? What PC platformers were topping Super Mario World in the early 1990s? Why has Mario made a great postive impact on gaming? You need to realize that all gaming contribute - dividing the world into "console" vs "PC" takes us down idiotic roads.

Yeah, because Mario Kart totally has the replayability factor. You can play Mario Kart on singleplayer, or with friends on split screen. You can, like, play one pre-made map....or, like another. Fascinating. Tell me more.

I never said that console games are interesting for thirty days. You're attacking a straw man.

For the record: I agree that it is baloney. Do I care? No. Quote the part where I said I beat RFOM, Uncharted, and Ratchet 3 times please. Quote that. I dare you.

User created content, relatively speaking, is an embarrassment on consoles. There's probably more user-created content being created in the lifetime of one server on Gmod than in the entire lifetime of any of the three consoles, including the PS3, which is sadly the only one actually attempting to support it with anything other than a limpwristed attempt.

LBP has gone a long way in that regard, and it doesn't get NEARLY enough respect for what it's becoming. Just playing the beta for 5-6 hours, I've got to say, I'm already impressed, both with the toolset, the implentation, and the creativity of those people. But LBP is basically the only exception in recent memory. The "Forge" on Halo 3 is a practical embarrasment when compared to, say, Far Cry 2's level editor.

Basically: Mario Kart doesn't advance your point about user-created content on consoles. User created content was really my angle. Sure, there can be compelling pieces of software on a piece of hardware that's designed to play a piece of software. But the community that churns out compelling content for free distribution like it's going out of style on the PC is absolutely unrivaled on any console.

The fact is that I utterly despise consoles. I hate them. I've played them too damn much. I've loved them, and now I'm drawn to the idea of hating them. Why? Because I hate closed platforms. When somebody closes a box off to the world, says, "You can create content for this, and share it, but only with our consent, and through our network," it's extraordinarily limiting on the kind of stuff that can be produced by the community. There's a hell of a lot of software out on consoles, and if I had a collection of it, it'd easily rival the best stuff that's been produced by PC gamers over the years, but the fact of the matter is that all of it comes with a price tag and all of it is released across seperate platforms split into different spheres.

I'd rather argue the wide-angled, open-ended PC versus a particular console than "consoles," like they all interbred in the 80s and produced some super-conglomerate. There isn't one among us that would call it easy to own every console on the market and thus broaden his horizons by indulging in the likes of Mario, Gears of War, and Halo.

Is there great stuff on consoles? Yes. Would it be infinitely better if it were reproduced on the PC with no restrictions on networks or game code? It would be an explosion.

It's more a matter of relative worth. Relative to that ideal.

And for the record: I've never liked Mario Kart. Never. I've never liked Halo either. I don't know what the draw is. Have you ever played Company of Heroes? That game is such ownage to either game you've mentioned.

It seems everyone has missed the point.

Consoles and PC's are different. PC's have better user created content because they cater to a different type of gamer. Of course I would like user created content for my Wii or for the 360, but there is simply not enough demand for it. In addition, the divide between consoles and PC's should remain. I don't like that Sony and Microsoft are trying to turn consoles into minature PC's - it basically goes against what they were crated for - accessibilty.

PC and console gaming shouldnt really be compared in this way - theyre chalk and cheese.

Another myth that people like to call on is that the games are more expensive on consoles (especially here in europe). Nonsense. The games are only more expensive if you are retarded enough to pay full retail price for a brand new game, or dnt have the patience to wait for the price of second hand games to fall. And if you live in Europe, chances are you're used to waiting ages for everything anyway.

Prices fall on pc games much faster...oh and PES2009 is £18 on PC and £40 on the 360...how long you gonna wait to get it at £18?

Try a generation.

Ive been doing that for the last two after all. My consoles games (which, according to you lot, don't last more than 30 days) last me long enough. Im in the process of buying cheap xbox, gamecube and soon, ps2 games. Why pay £18 for PES 2009 when there are classics I have yet to play for £2?

Do I care I have to wait? No. My games keep me entertained.

Please dont get me started on PC classics....

Try a generation.

Ive been doing that for the last two after all. My consoles games (which, according to you lot, don't last more than 30 days) last me long enough. Im in the process of buying cheap xbox, gamecube and soon, ps2 games. Why pay £18 for PES 2009 when there are classics I have yet to play for £2?

Do I care I have to wait? No. My games keep me entertained.

Please dont get me started on PC classics....

you just don't stop trying to shoot down consoles in every way. he just said old console games are fun for him. how can you possibly prove his opinion wrong on what he thinks is fun? by telling him pc classics are better? wow.

the truth is, there is no superior system. you don't think so, true_gamer, because you refuse to see that other people have different taste than you. everyone is unique in their likes and dislikes. everyone is unique, period.

then there are those especially unique people who just can't except that others like different things more, and seem to think that something must be done to enlighten them.

i could see this as acceptable in politics or religion, as long it is respectful, but since when is enjoyment a matter of right and wrong? it isn't, unless it is illegal or violent. it is obvious some people disagree...

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="superjim42"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="superjim42"]

thats why the consoles got AAAA titles this gen well ps3 2 and xbox360 one. pc??? ye thats what i thought none!

the guy is a noob on that matter.

on the other hand the other stuff he says is sort of agreeable upon

superjim42

The single AAAA of the 360 is coming to the PC....I whanna hear what lemmings have to say about MGS4....

yes that is true but will it score a ten again? i seriesly doubt it. im sure the reviewers will realise how overrated it is and give it a 8-9 score as it deserves

so if A gets 10 and A gets 9 whats the difference between A and A?

no difference in game quality of course. but im just saying in general the game will not score a ten on the pc so the pc will not receive an AAAA game this year

It doesn't matter if it scores AAAA or not. The fact is, that same game that scored AAAA on the Xbox 360 will be on the PC, therefore the PC already has it.

Just because a multiplat doesn't score the same on both platforms doesn't mean that it is suddenly completely different.

on the last new, you pay 10-40$ more than me for your games+ 50$ to play with your friends every years+ you need to pay for the useless dlc that we get for free on the pc.Franko_3

sorry, but i don't buy the expense argument. the fact remains that you can now pick up a $199 360. at the end of the day, console is cheaper than PC.