PC pirates are at it again

i 100% agree, They think just because they giving MR gamestop or dude on ebay/craiglist $30 bucks. It's 100% okia because the dev/publisher around got his share, even though that game can be pass around 100+ times.

If its not a problem, why are we seeing publishers pushing for more digital content and the inclusion of MP codes?

haha

PC version coming early in 2014.

Because of both, trying to cut out the high street stores and piracy likely much more so. If they had a handle on piracy, I think they'd care less about used games.

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this, but my position is that asking for sales twice over is not on. Saying my friend for example is only allowed to buy a legit copy from them and not have my legit copy is not on. It's not like i'm going to play the game anymore, so why should I be tied to the license.

yeah comparing an indie game no one's even heard to gta v lol so desperate

someone is going to be a sad panda when gta v comes out on pc and obliterates console versions.

Because it saves them money, it cost a lot shipping millions game boxes around the world...

Something's not right here.

If you produce a game that offers quality and value people will buy it, regardless of piracy. Case in point: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-10-22-the-stanley-parable-sold-over-100k-copies-in-three-days

Comes down to your right vs theirs. Your right to sell the product you paid for vs their right to be paid for creating said content.

And also puts the hurt on used sales.

And they would go bankrupt as the Journey´s developer did. Lol.

You killed your indie devs, now you want to kill PC´s indies ?

lol i wouldn't even bother pirating shit like this.

What rights? They got paid. Ownership is quite straight forward in law. This licence thing is just an abuse and you shouldn't actually condone it. The corporations and publishers will go to the brink to maximise profits and it's only fair market trading laws and so forth that hold them back.

It is not our problem that they can't work it out between themselves with the high street stores. A person who buys something used is doing absolutely nothing wrong.

YUP, just like console games. There people on craigslist who mod consoles for $50 then sell copies of games new release games $10, everything else $5.

You can claim it kills the industry, but we know it hasn't. The industry is making more money then they have ever. There is small benefits to trading/pirate games,

1. new fans for future titles
2. chance of actual sale depending on the person ~ for pirates
3. Since hardly any dev/publisher wish to put out demos any more You can try it before you buy it

"In the United States, video games scored $21.3 billion in 2008, reaching $41.9B globally. The US is the biggest consumer of video games, second being Europe at $17.9B, then Asia at $14.9B. It's been a growing market since the early 90s, when Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis battled for supremacy. In 1993, video games were earning $13B, and Nintendo had an astounding 90% market-share. A decade later, the industry doubled to $30B in sales." http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/how-much-does-the-video-game-industry-make/ 3 year old page but it gets my point across.

I have pirated games before Why? no fucking demos for them. I can say i have never finished a game i pirated though besides AC3. My AC 3 360 disc died on me, Think i really go out and buy other copy?

Serious question here, how old are you and where do you live?

Pretty much, games not worth pay for is not worth the waste time playing

As a PC gamer, this pisses me off.

I hate pirates and what they are doing to PC gaming. Self entitled twats.

late 20's and UK.

Not the fault of PSN nor Sony

The dev in my openings post would benefit greatly from releasing his game on PSN instead of pc

Yes buying a second hand car is as bad as going into a toyota dealer and stealing a new corolla...

My god....

PC isbn't the only platform that suffers from piracy and as we know good games do sell on the PC platform.

na, I pretty sure it's about retail stores. Bussiness 101 if you want to make it big, STOP paying others do something you can do. You gotta give Console makers cut already for being on their system, Why not take advantage of their online stores? HUGE margins ATLEAST $10 a pop. Making 50 cent cases and shipping to main warehouses around the world isn't going hurt the bank like giving retail stores their cut. For every 1 million sales that can upwards $10 million given away. Take gta for example. it was up to 23 million copies sold so far. That's $230 million given away! enough for other game!

Their "dream" only exists because they were funded on Kickstarter in the first place.

Toyota don't require me to input a code to access anything higher than 3rd gear...

The only difference is the original sale. But ALL other purchases after that point aren't beneffiting the devs, only gamestop.

It's not as bad as outright piracy, but it's not far behind.

I'm all for giving pirates the electric chair, IMHO.

@jhonMalcovich said:

Do you mean they shall pay 12 bucks for this ?

They are making them a favor by playing it. Lol

And this ^^ is the real reason why digital games on PC are cheaper,developers most trow the price on the floor to that pirates don't play their games illegally.

If you don't like it don't buy it they don't force you to,but don't steal it because you think you should no pay for it,you are not better than any shoplifter or a car thief.

if we are going by dumb analogies then creating a second car and both having cars would be the right analogy, in either case the "creator of the car" gets no money, they are both as bad so stop using dumb analogies.

No the require you to pay extra if you want the full luxury model,they also have a cheap one,there is no excuse you thief,comparing second hand games with piracy is idiotic,you may argue that second hand games hurt the industry,but as a consumer i have the right to legally sell what i legally bought,you don't have the right legally to steal anything anywhere on this planet.

Better stop drinking so hard El Tomato, you're going to lose those last few braincells.

Then why is this industry going the way of licenses and what not then you dolt. I'm well aware of my rights to sell what I own and stop comparing me to a thief, I've never stolen anything in my life.

huh? used game is bought once and can be pass around as many times as they want. Priate game is bought once and can be pass around as many times as they want. So in your logic stealing brand new car/copy is same as someone giving theirs already purchased car/copy away

Because they want to maximise profits. With licences it means publishers get complete control, of course that's what they want. And I answered you're question before.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on that. I myself play more on PC then I do on consoles these days since I find it much better and the games can become cheaper later on but to say that buying used games is worse then piracy is something that I feel it's not true at all. At least the used game was bought before which means the company that made that game already got the money while with piracy they never do. Don't get me wrong it's annoying that you have ignorant people who like to think that every PC gamer loves to pirate games but there is nothing wrong with buying and selling used games. Piracy is wrong whether you're doing it on PC or consoles.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/21/the-stanley-parable-sells-100000-copies-coming-to-mac/

meanwhile The Stanley Parable sells 100000 copies in first week, on the way to Mac soon lol

LIES, you stole that pen the other day!

Not really. People who buy used may buy DLC. Pirates will pirate the DLC as well.

@tormentos said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

Do you mean they shall pay 12 bucks for this ?

They are making them a favor by playing it. Lol

And this ^^ is the real reason why digital games on PC are cheaper,developers most trow the price on the floor to that pirates don't play their games illegally.

If you don't like it don't buy it they don't force you to,but don't steal it because you think you should no pay for it,you are not better than any shoplifter or a car thief.

PC digital games must be cheaper because the developer doesn´t pay publishing fees, nor manufacturing cost, nor for patching.

I know that, I'm still pissed that the energy companies are raising prices yet are posting record profits.

@godspellwh: now that's actually a good game well worth the money

If we have to count now you may only have 1,because justifying piracy with second hand game market is completely idiot and down right absurd,to say the least.

I legally bough a game i contributed to 1 developer team,i sell my copy of the game to some one who can afford it new,how is that the same to down right not giving any profits at all to a developer and just steal the game.?

So selling my house is illegal.? I am hurting the new house market,selling used cars hurt the industry it hurts the new car market,buying used bicycles,used DVD/s music CD..

You can argue that all hurt new industry,but as a consumer we all have the right to sell what we legally buy,hell ebay and many other sites tribe on sales like that.

Fact is i will not get arrested by the Federals for selling my copy GTA5,but if they catch me downloading it or with a copy version i may get 5 years in a federal prison and a healthy fine.

The analogy is not dumb at all,since you can't copy cars,but stealing them is a felony much like piracy.

Irrelevant i contributed from a first purchase,i give them money,toyota doesn't money from second hand cars either,no maker of products do,in fact not even the online passes could be justify,because at the end of the day still only 1 copy accessing the game no matter in which had the game would be.

Lol at Tormentos. You do pirating all the time. When you make photocopies of a book, you are pirating the book. When you buy cheep chinese cloths immitations, you are pirating to the legit cloths brands. Anti-piracy laws are made by corporations.

Because they want more profits like any company do is call greed,if it was for them movie studios would limit the viewing of movies to just you and no one else and ever body had to buy a separate copy.

Yeah, that's piss, 10% is quite a thing. And the government has left it a little late to start building new stations. They aren't ever going to to pass on the savings and the PMs not stepping up. He's just making more cuts with no growth.

Bullsh** now games are digital distributed on PC i have been a PC gamer since floppy days,PC games are always cheaper because Piracy has been rampant period,i payed $20 dollars for UT 2004 when it was a month old,and the game came on 5 or 6 CD's not only the developers had to spend more on multiple CD's but also on a much bigger case.

Yet my PS2 games were $50.

In fact digital download on xbox and PS cost the same as retailers,many times just 1 or 2 dollar cheaper,it has been cause for many complains why don't console digital game cost less.? Because even that there is piracy is not even close to as big as it is on PC.

Games like Modern Warfare 2 in 1 month was download 4 million times on PC,the xbox 360 version 900,000 and the PS3 nothing.

but you CAN copy a game, which is why the analogy is dumb. Also your justification is wrong, if you buy second hand devs dont get a penny, simple as that, if you sell your house that YOU BUILD, or that you payed to someone WHO BUILT IT the one who created it is getting his money, unlike when you sell a second hand copy which the creator is not getting anything, whats up with dumb analogies, cant consolites use analogies properly?

I don't copy books. I don't buy chinese knock off cloth either,you have a pretty interesting life dude,watch you one day you may get a knock on your door..hahaha

That doesn't surprise me as I've never even heard about these games. It's very difficult for anybody to want to spend money on an indie game that probably has no demo. Especially when it looks like that and costs $12.

Games on the PC sell fine overall. You get the occasional indie dev who blames their mediocre sales on piracy or publishers who think piracy ruins sales (it really doesn't).

Oh it was a KS game? Well then the devs didn´t even had to spend any money of their own and the project only exists because people funded it,so every copy sold is profit now.