PC pirates are at it again

Do you have numbers to compare the amount of games purchased in first and second hand? I really REALLY doubt is as bad as piracy. One is legal, the other isnt. PC gamers should stop comparing the two. Thats just reeks of desperation to counter argument

Devs have done it...

So, why are devs pushing licenses, restricting features for 2nd hand buyers, pushing a digital delivery system then. Once again, your limited knowledge of this industry is showing.

EA dropped online passes and I dont recall any 3rd party developer going all digital or even offering a discount to go digital over physical. My knowledge is there, I live, LEARN and Love and I love you Clyde.

Well except a used game sale is provably a lost sale. A pirated copy is not necessarily a lost sale. and as the devs said earlier, piracy isn't hurting them. They don't find it to be a big issue

And how is a second hand copy a lost sale?

This sort of stupidity I hate the most.

because the devs dont profit from it. There are tons of gamers that hold off buying games brand new and buy it for $10 less used at gamestop.

A lost sale to the developer. They wanted the game, and bought it, yet no profit went to the developer.

Why bother arguing the legality of the act of pirating when there are 1st world countries where pirating software, movies, etc. is perfectly legal. Bottom line: People are enjoying a game but the publisher is not being compensated(after the original sale).

I'm not arguing against the sale of used games. I simply recognize that the people responsible for creating the game aren't seeing a dime from me when I buy used.

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't the major difference between piracy and used games the fact that one is illegal while the other is not?

uh, because they aren't buying a new copy? I'm not sure what is difficult to understand

Yes. It's more a look at the developer, rather than the end-user.

@kellykelly said:

https://twitter.com/VOLGARR/status/392773669149085696

No wonder GTA 5 won't come to the PC, and neither will GTA 6

GTA will come to PC. Just as many people pirate on consoles than PC. I mean shit when GTA 5 leaked to torrents a couple of days before release that didn't stop console pirates from download the game.

"Worse?" As bad I may give you that but worse? Lol no...

And how can you prove a second hand game is a lost sale while the pirated copy isn't?

Devs have said this before.

A used sale is a transferred sale, the person who bought it cannot play it anymore, there is a finite number of used games for sale and also protects against the game being impossible to find (because the new copies all sold, got discontinued, etc) it keeps the IP visible and relevant long after they stopped making it.

A pirated copy is a copy, everybody can play and keep making copies, the number of copies is infinite. DRM then is used to discourage piracy, which actually only discourage the customers, the pirates have the DRM-free version, the customers have the annoy-ware version, eventually the customer learns that if they want a clean copy of the game they can only get this thru piracy.

Lots of ppl use piracy as an unofficial demo and even after they pay for it, they'd rather have the cracked version because it doesn't give you store pop-ups and Uplay begware.

None of that actually disproved what lostrib said...

"We basically sold to date approximately two million units, we know from the trophy system that probably more than three million people bought this game and played it. On my small level it’s a million people playing my game without giving me one cent."- Heavy Rain Dev

http://quarterdisorder.com/2011/09/12/heavy-rain-developer-claims-used-game-sales-cost-studio-millions/

Why bother arguing which is worse when the end result is the same for the dev/pub?

They wanted the game, and therefore paid for it. In that instance, the developer made nothing. What?

Very good post.

You don't need to disprove bullshit.

Wow, such an addition to the conversation. However, you do need to disprove what he said, considering it was common sense. I don't expect you to understand, considering this post:

No excuses. No "drm" No "bad console port" no "it''s ovepriced" Pc gamers go to any nonsense to justify this. It's frankly disgusting and regardless of whatever magical fairy land they choose to believe, the reason pc gaming is all but dead of AAA exclusive single player focused games is because of this.

Why risk millions of dollars and thousands of hours on some little wretch who will simple steal your game? At least with free2play you can make money from microtransactions and of course MMO's with secure servers and subscription fee's. Outside of that it's primarily casual bejewel style games for house wifes.

Pc gamers will attempt to blame anything other than the factually based fact, they brought it upon themselves.

not stealing but making a copy of it. So the effects of piracy even though having less consequences (you're not affecting the life of the owner in any way) the effects on the manufacturer are much bigger because copies are unlimited.

Davekeeh just couldn't accept the well deserved ban and leave. How unfortunate.

What bullshit? A used game sale is provably a lost sale of a new copy. And for this specific game, there is no point bringing up piracy as the devs have already stated that it isn't hurting them

Can you prove they would have bought the game if there was no second hand copies, no you can't hence what your saying is bullshit.

Can one prove that pirates would have bought a game if piracy wasn't an option, no, one can't, hence such an idea is also bullshit.

Seems to me the door swings both ways.

First, it's "you're." Now, why would we need to? They spent money on it all ready. This isn't a blanket usage. It doesn't apply to games that are years old. It's for games that are relatively new. At the end of the day, they were willing to spend money on the game.

The fact is:

1. They spent money on the game.
2. You must disprove that they wouldn't have bought it, with no second hand games available.

Ok.

used = legal

pirating = illegal

/thread

That's not gonna end the thread. Least of all, because the legality takes a backseat.

/threads never end threads, I'm well aware. It's just a fact that people should take in to consideration when trying to shame one another over.

fact : most pc pirates are poor cheap gamers from 3rd world country who never be the potential customers, you can't sell even a $30 dollars game to them even if it the best game ever, even $20 is still a bit out of their reach.

this is what you 1st world people and especially developers still fail and fail to recognize, it's like mercedes benz blaming the poor sales of mercs to people who bought cheap cars.

@clyde46: No pirated games for the PS3.. The GTA 5 'leak", was about some guy that found the names of the songs and radio stations in the game, but the game was never pirated on the PS3.

Read the EULA next time you "buy" a game. They absolutely CAN have 100% of the pie, and they absolutely deserve it.

Not anymore. EA stopped the online passes and neither of the next gen consoles will block 2nd hand purchases. Most of those DRM systems are on PC, not consoles. At least not anymore. And off course devs are pushing digital. It is to stop the retail shares and production costs of physical. Your knowledge of the industry is lacking I see...

Seriously this. Hermits are the most full of shit faction there is and thats not even debatable. The fact they're comparing the impact of used game sales with straight piracy is simply mind blowing...

This...the idea that you personally not liking something about a product helps justify your right in stealing it...mind blowing.

In other news, Ferrari has stopped equipping many of their new models with traditional, manual transmissions. Some old-school drivers don't like this. I guess they are justified in stealing one then...

That's Hermit logic for ya.

Meanwhile Assassins Creed Black Flag is doing the rounds on torrent sites ....for consoles.

Why? It has been said before by developers that used game sales hurt them. And the developers of this game don't seem to have a problem with piracy at all

Oh well, people pirate but the majority doesn't.

Dude, don't make it sound like a platform-specific problem. Piracy is piracy, no matter the platform.

Who the hell would even pirate that nonsense? People need to stop pirating garbage games it just makes the developers feel like they had some sort of chance in the first place if only they could have somehow never had the game pirated people would have actually bought their terrible, terrible game.

The one that always confuses me the most regarding piracy is "well, they weren't going to buy the game anyway." Somehow, this phrase exonerates them from blame or issue, that they will just go and play the game for free anyways.

@clyde46: I woudln't say its worse, but its equally as bad. At least with piracy some other company is't getting paid for it.

Then they are stupid. 4% is a piss take. Developers should just skip pc altogether unless it's MMO, free2play are casual browser games.