PC to be destroyed next year. Xbox 720 specs= AMD 7990. 16 Core CPU, 4GB Ram

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="reach3"] Judges by pics, leap years And in some ways, Crysis 1 on 360 buries pc version

Better lighting than pc version

reach3

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

@reach3 - I thought we talked about this before and you came to your senses. Nothing on any current console even comes close to games on the PC graphically. To suggest anything different only highlights you as delusional in the extreme.

Secondly the article you posted says nothing about a 7990. 4x-6x current Xbox power is around a 6850, which is a cheap, low ending gaming PC by todays standards.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you.

reach3

Oh god, you do understand that the 7000 series has a wide range of cards, the 7750 for example is considerably less powerful than a 6850. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

As it says a console 4-6x more powerful than the current gen would be around a bottom of the range 7000 series card. Which is the equivalent of a bargain basement gaming PC by 2012 standards. Sorry to have crushed your dreams bud.

looks far better than pc version dull lighting, why not admit? Even Crytek admits 360 version looks better than pc version http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1073013/crytek_crysis_on_console_looks_better_than_pc_version.html "We asked Yerli if the finished product on consoles ran at the specs he would like. He told us, "Yeah, it runs at the same fidelity as Crysis 2, but the frame rate is a solid 25-30, its not a 60fps game. It feels very fluid on consoles, and weve also made an effort in remastering the content for consoles." Yerli added, "What I mean by that is weve given it a whole new lighting path, quite a few new special effects, weve added the Nanosuit 2 controls, and all of this has added to, as well as improved the experience." But how does it compare to the PC version of Crysis? "I want to be clear: when I say the console versions look better than Crysis on PC, I mean that as a factual thing" So CRYTEK themselves agree with me and confirmed 360 version of Crysis looks far better than pc version and its fact.reach3

Looks like Yerli was right to make a marketing campaign like that for the 4 year old port for consoles,the target audience is apparently so stupid that actually believe that,even though all you need to do is look at a good video comparison and see the massive differences,not to mention complete lack of multiplayer and even missing levels,and even with all those cuts it didnt´t even came close to the PC version.

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

@reach3 - I thought we talked about this before and you came to your senses. Nothing on any current console even comes close to games on the PC graphically. To suggest anything different only highlights you as delusional in the extreme.

Secondly the article you posted says nothing about a 7990. 4x-6x current Xbox power is around a 6850, which is a cheap, low ending gaming PC by todays standards.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you.

iamrob7

Oh god, you do understand that the 7000 series has a wide range of cards, the 7750 for example is considerably less powerful than a 6850. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

As it says a console 4-6x more powerful than the current gen would be around a bottom of the range 7000 series card. Which is the equivalent of a bargain basement gaming PC by 2012 standards. Sorry to have crushed your dreams bud.

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

@reach3 - I thought we talked about this before and you came to your senses. Nothing on any current console even comes close to games on the PC graphically. To suggest anything different only highlights you as delusional in the extreme.

Secondly the article you posted says nothing about a 7990. 4x-6x current Xbox power is around a 6850, which is a cheap, low ending gaming PC by todays standards.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you.

reach3

[QUOTE="reach3"]

looks far better than pc version dull lighting, why not admit? Even Crytek admits 360 version looks better than pc version http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1073013/crytek_crysis_on_console_looks_better_than_pc_version.html "We asked Yerli if the finished product on consoles ran at the specs he would like. He told us, "Yeah, it runs at the same fidelity as Crysis 2, but the frame rate is a solid 25-30, its not a 60fps game. It feels very fluid on consoles, and weve also made an effort in remastering the content for consoles." Yerli added, "What I mean by that is weve given it a whole new lighting path, quite a few new special effects, weve added the Nanosuit 2 controls, and all of this has added to, as well as improved the experience." But how does it compare to the PC version of Crysis? "I want to be clear: when I say the console versions look better than Crysis on PC, I mean that as a factual thing" So CRYTEK themselves agree with me and confirmed 360 version of Crysis looks far better than pc version and its fact.Arach666

Looks like Yerli was right to make a marketing campaign like that for the 4 year old port for consoles,the target audience is apparently so stupid that actually believe that,even though all you need to do is look at a good video comparison and see the massive differences,not to mention complete lack of multiplayer and even missing levels,and even with all those cuts it didnt´t even came close to the PC version.

[QUOTE="reach3"] Hmm, creator of the game says 360 best version, which makes hermits mad. Understand

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

@reach3 - I thought we talked about this before and you came to your senses. Nothing on any current console even comes close to games on the PC graphically. To suggest anything different only highlights you as delusional in the extreme.

Secondly the article you posted says nothing about a 7990. 4x-6x current Xbox power is around a 6850, which is a cheap, low ending gaming PC by todays standards.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] and yet article said will be 7000series, obviosuly referring to 7990reach3

Oh god, you do understand that the 7000 series has a wide range of cards, the 7750 for example is considerably less powerful than a 6850. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

As it says a console 4-6x more powerful than the current gen would be around a bottom of the range 7000 series card. Which is the equivalent of a bargain basement gaming PC by 2012 standards. Sorry to have crushed your dreams bud.

Are you for real? I really hope for your sake that you aren't. Wrong and completely delusional. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="reach3"]

looks far better than pc version dull lighting, why not admit? Even Crytek admits 360 version looks better than pc version http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1073013/crytek_crysis_on_console_looks_better_than_pc_version.html "We asked Yerli if the finished product on consoles ran at the specs he would like. He told us, "Yeah, it runs at the same fidelity as Crysis 2, but the frame rate is a solid 25-30, its not a 60fps game. It feels very fluid on consoles, and weve also made an effort in remastering the content for consoles." Yerli added, "What I mean by that is weve given it a whole new lighting path, quite a few new special effects, weve added the Nanosuit 2 controls, and all of this has added to, as well as improved the experience." But how does it compare to the PC version of Crysis? "I want to be clear: when I say the console versions look better than Crysis on PC, I mean that as a factual thing" So CRYTEK themselves agree with me and confirmed 360 version of Crysis looks far better than pc version and its fact.reach3

Looks like Yerli was right to make a marketing campaign like that for the 4 year old port for consoles,the target audience is apparently so stupid that actually believe that,even though all you need to do is look at a good video comparison and see the massive differences,not to mention complete lack of multiplayer and even missing levels,and even with all those cuts it didnt´t even came close to the PC version.

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Looks like Yerli was right to make a marketing campaign like that for the 4 year old port for consoles,the target audience is apparently so stupid that actually believe that,even though all you need to do is look at a good video comparison and see the massive differences,not to mention complete lack of multiplayer and even missing levels,and even with all those cuts it didnt´t even came close to the PC version.

Arach666

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="reach3"] Hmm, creator of the game says 360 best version, which makes hermits mad. Understandreach3

Yep,just like when yerli said Crysis wasn´t possible on consoles,simple PR just like this,too hard for you to understand I know lol.

Good thing that videos and about every single review of thse consoles version states it´s not anywhere near the PC graphics,wich obviously everyone can see,even you know it,but it´s too hard for you to admit,i know. ;)

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Yeah,we all know how PR works(apparently you don´t though),so it´s no surprise that Yerli fooled a few suckers lol,he´s a smart fella.Arach666

Yep,just like when yerli said Crysis wasn´t possible on consoles,simple PR just like this,too hard for you to understand I know lol.

Good thing that videos and about every single review of thse consoles version states it´s not anywhere near the PC graphics,wich obviously everyone can see,even you know it,but it´s too hard for you to admit,i know. ;)

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Yeah,we all know how PR works(apparently you don´t though),so it´s no surprise that Yerli fooled a few suckers lol,he´s a smart fella.Arach666

Yep,just like when yerli said Crysis wasn´t possible on consoles,simple PR just like this,too hard for you to understand I know lol.

Good thing that videos and about every single review of thse consoles version states it´s not anywhere near the PC graphics,wich obviously everyone can see,even you know it,but it´s too hard for you to admit,i know. ;)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] of course, if 360 beats pc version, must make excuses.reach3

Yep,just like when yerli said Crysis wasn´t possible on consoles,simple PR just like this,too hard for you to understand I know lol.

Good thing that videos and about every single review of thse consoles version states it´s not anywhere near the PC graphics,wich obviously everyone can see,even you know it,but it´s too hard for you to admit,i know. ;)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] and yet article said will be 7000series, obviosuly referring to 7990reach3

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-25-next-xbox-gpu-based-on-50-radeon-hd-6670-card-report

Eurogamer's leak doesn't cover Xbox 720 being 6X over Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="Arach666"] "7000 series" doesn't say much e.g. 7670 is rename 6670.ronvalencia

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-25-next-xbox-gpu-based-on-50-radeon-hd-6670-card-report

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] where is your proof it is a 7670?reach3

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-25-next-xbox-gpu-based-on-50-radeon-hd-6670-card-report

Scale CPU and GPU by 6X over the Xbox 360 i.e. IBM PowerPC A2 16 cores + AMD Radeon HD 7770 combo would do it.

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-25-next-xbox-gpu-based-on-50-radeon-hd-6670-card-report

ronvalencia

Scale CPU and GPU by 6X over the Xbox 360

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] and yet article said will be 7000series, obviosuly referring to 7990reach3

Oh god, you do understand that the 7000 series has a wide range of cards, the 7750 for example is considerably less powerful than a 6850. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

As it says a console 4-6x more powerful than the current gen would be around a bottom of the range 7000 series card. Which is the equivalent of a bargain basement gaming PC by 2012 standards. Sorry to have crushed your dreams bud.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] lol, a rumor from January. Doesnt get more desperate than thatreach3

Scale CPU and GPU by 6X over the Xbox 360

Note the "Xbox 720 (6x Performance)" i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="iamrob7"]

Oh god, you do understand that the 7000 series has a wide range of cards, the 7750 for example is considerably less powerful than a 6850. You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

As it says a console 4-6x more powerful than the current gen would be around a bottom of the range 7000 series card. Which is the equivalent of a bargain basement gaming PC by 2012 standards. Sorry to have crushed your dreams bud.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Scale CPU and GPU by 6X over the Xbox 360

ronvalencia

Note the "Xbox 720 (6x Performance)" i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] didnt include ram and gpu, with those included will be 15x-20xreach3

Note the "Xbox 720 (6x Performance)" i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

Again, note the Xbox 720 (6x Performance)i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

Quit making things up

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Note the "Xbox 720 (6x Performance)" i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

ronvalencia

Again, note the Xbox 720 (6x Performance)i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

Quit making things up

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="reach3"] Doesn't say entire Xbox 720, quit making things upreach3

Again, note the Xbox 720 (6x Performance)i.e. the entire Xbox 720 machine NOT just the CPU.

Quit making things up

All that means is Xbox 720 performance. Where is the word "CPU "? Nowhere to be found

Xbox 720 includes both CPU and GPU i.e. Radeon HD 7770 with ~60 MB eDRAM.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="reach3"] http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-XBox-720-Xbox-720-Avatar-Graphics-Neal-Robison,13095.html "AMD: Xbox 720 to Have Avatar-level Graphics" Anything less than 7990 optimized wont achieve.reach3

There's nothing in AMD's about "no pc can match".

Cinema 2.0 demo's computation part (raytacing compute) is not the problem. It's the large voxel data i.e. +8GB on main memory that streams to 2X 1GB VRAM (from two RV770, effectively 512bit wide VRAM). The 3D engine needs a very fast blue-ray drive.

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] AMD's Cinema 2.0 RV770 demos already shown real time raytacing/voxel hybrid engine. Radeon HD 7770 is better than the old 4870/5770/6770. ronvalencia

There's nothing in AMD's about "no pc can match"

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] Tech demos are not games. AMD said 720 games will look like avatar. no pc can matchreach3

There's nothing in AMD's about "no pc can match"

For TDP/cost restricted budget device, it's not common sense to use 7990.

Current game's rendering methods doesn't match Cinema 2.0 RV770 demos. Cinema 2.0 RV770 demos includes raytraced light reflections.

It too bad, AMD didn't secure that software IP for it's SDK.

The high speed interconnect between 60 MB eDRAM and Radeon 7770 would be different from the current Radeon HD 7770 i.e. less reliance on 7970's onchip 8 MB register storage (256KB x 32 CU), 2MB local data storage (64KB x 32 CU), 512 KB L1 cache (32 CU x 16KB), 384 KB shared CU cache(8 x 48 KB), 256 KB branch cache (8KB x 32 CU), 768 KB L2 cache (128KB x 6 MCH).

AMD could redesigned 7770 level GPU with structures friendly for raytacing (i.e. just for getting the right light reflections) e.g. current AMD GCN includes custom hardware for hardware accelerated texture streaming. Replace several lines of shader code into 1 hardware function. AMD may add extra custom hardware in the future AMD GCNs.

VRAM bandwith limiations via PCB cost is the same problem for any future "fat" AMD APUs i.e. that includes PS4's AMD Liverpool APU and AMD based PCs.

The solution, updated AMD Radeon HD E6760 type MCM GPU with Radeon HD 7770/7850 i.e. onchip VRAM + PCB VRAM(restricted to 128bit for cost reasons).

Notice with AMD Xenos's "raytracing accelerated structures" and "enabling exploration for the future". At that point (i.e. 2005), this part is not yet complete. Radeon GCN's return to Xenos's SIMD architecture indicates further research on this path.

"Enabling exploration for the future" indicates AMD Xenos is just the start.

Gaming PC has larger TDP and budget limits.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="reach3"] the 4x 6x didnt include gpu and ram, which would take it to 15x-20x.reach3

no no, it will 100x, even better than nasa pcs, for $300!!!

seriously, sad to see console people excited for hardware xD

Avatar gfx with a $300 console.... who ever believes this needs to see a doctor xDKillzoneSnake

Only people who say crysis pc version is betetr is fanboys

reach3

reach3/loosingENDS is on drugs again...

Avatar gfx with a $300 console.... who ever believes this needs to see a doctor xDKillzoneSnake

It depends if AMD completes the custom hardware for "raytracing accelerated structures" a.k.a. DirectX 12 i.e. we already know DX11.1.

PC gamers for the red camp are aware of AMD's GPU road map i.e. 1st generation GCN will be replaced by another GCN generation.

AMD was the first GPU vendor for DX11 .0 and DX11.1 So, what's next?

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]Avatar gfx with a $300 console.... who ever believes this needs to see a doctor xDronvalencia

It depends if AMD completes the custom hardware for "raytracing accelerated structures" a.k.a. DirectX 12 i.e. we already know DX11.1.

PC gamers for the red camp are aware of AMD's GPU road map i.e. 1st generation GCN will be replaced by another GCN generation.

AMD was the first GPU vendor for DX11 .0 and DX11.1 So, what's next?

i'm not familiar with the technology but there is simply no way they can do that performance/price ratio.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]Avatar gfx with a $300 console.... who ever believes this needs to see a doctor xDKrelian-co

It depends if AMD completes the custom hardware for "raytracing accelerated structures" a.k.a. DirectX 12 i.e. we already know DX11.1.

PC gamers for the red camp are aware of AMD's GPU road map i.e. 1st generation GCN will be replaced by another GCN generation.

AMD was the first GPU vendor for DX11 .0 and DX11.1 So, what's next?

i'm not familiar with the technology but there is simply no way they can do that performance/price ratio.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It depends if AMD completes the custom hardware for "raytracing accelerated structures" a.k.a. DirectX 12 i.e. we already know DX11.1.

PC gamers for the red camp are aware of AMD's GPU road map i.e. 1st generation GCN will be replaced by another GCN generation.

AMD was the first GPU vendor for DX11 .0 and DX11.1 So, what's next?

reach3

i'm not familiar with the technology but there is simply no way they can do that performance/price ratio.

and seems you are delusional, to each his own.

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]Avatar gfx with a $300 console.... who ever believes this needs to see a doctor xDreach3

So have you started coming up with damage control thread ideas already, for when the 720 comes (and goes), and never sees a single game that looks like Avatar?

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="reach3"] And yet gears textures are far better and far higher poly count. reach3

Better lighting than pc version

Also cevat said that crysis 2 will have a pc version and that it will look better than crysis 1.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It depends if AMD completes the custom hardware for "raytracing accelerated structures" a.k.a. DirectX 12 i.e. we already know DX11.1.

PC gamers for the red camp are aware of AMD's GPU road map i.e. 1st generation GCN will be replaced by another GCN generation.

AMD was the first GPU vendor for DX11 .0 and DX11.1 So, what's next?

reach3

i'm not familiar with the technology but there is simply no way they can do that performance/price ratio.