PC to be destroyed next year. Xbox 720 specs= AMD 7990. 16 Core CPU, 4GB Ram

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#251 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Xbox 360 put 3 CPUs (when PC had only one) and Xenos that was 10x better than the best in 2005 (7800GTX)

So, these specs are probably the very early dev kits, the 720 will be far more powerful lthan these

loosingENDS

TDP of 360: around 250w

TDP of a 7990: gonna be around 300w

Also, you do realise the 360's RROD problems were because of overheating....right?

Sure, but the problem was in the chip attachment to the board than heat itself

Same heat as most chip resulted in disconnection from the motherboard, it was not the heat itself that was the problem

I know because i have fixed my 360 by just attaching the chip firmer to the board and then it worked fine

A heat problem is when the chip breaks or does not work due to heat, that is an actual heat problem and 360 never had such an issue

The original 360 gpu had a TDP of 90w and the whole console had a flawed cooling design and had inadequate sized heat sinks to cool the chipsets. Which is why the board warped and solder cracked. However even after two revisions and upgraded cooling with an extra heatpipe and heatsink along with a dedicated airduct still wasn't enough because of the inadequate sized heat sinks and no direct airflow to supply cool air to the 360. And people expect MS to have gpu's that use's 2-3x more power and will produce an equal amount of heat ratio.... those people are dreaming. The added cost to supply a power unit that can run a 350w+ system, and the cost of a 256bit based pcb board along with needing 3-4x the metal to correctly cool a high tdp chipset.
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#252 reach3
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I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

Halo-3.jpg

witcher2-xbox360-jan26-14.jpg

This is with 7 year old hardware.

Now throw 7990, 16 core CPU, 4gb ram +optimization + 1080p + 60 fps + lots of AA

My god, can you imagine what Halo 5, Witcher 3, Forza, Gears 4, etc... will looks like? Will demolish pc into oblivion.

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#253 jun_aka_pekto
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Well, if the XBox 720 does in fact release with a 7990 (with the expected heat issues), MS better decide what color the new Ring Of Death is going to be.

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#254 parkurtommo
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I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

Halo-3.jpg

witcher2-xbox360-jan26-14.jpg

This is with 7 year old hardware.

Now throw 7990, 16 core CPU, 4gb ram +optimization + 1080p + 60 fps + lots of AA

My god, can you imagine what Halo 5, Witcher 3, Forza, Gears 4, etc... will looks like? Will demolish pc into oblivion.

reach3
Because it's been optimized, games next gen will probably only look a bit better. You'll only see huge differences after a few years.
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#255 Inconsistancy
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I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

whargh

This is with 7 year old hardware.

Now throw 7990, 16 core CPU, 4gb ram +optimization + 1080p + 60 fps + lots of AA

My god, can you imagine what Halo 5, Witcher 3, Forza, Gears 4, etc... will looks like? Will demolish pc into oblivion.

reach3

I fixed your picture, and there's no way a 7990 will get into a console, 2 gpu's is just madness.

Well, if the XBox 720 does in fact release with a 7990 (with the expected heat issues), MS better decide what color the new Ring Of Death is going to be.

jun_aka_pekto

They wont need a color if they throw in a 7990, people will know when their house burns down.

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#256 Rocker6
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I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

Halo-3.jpg

witcher2-xbox360-jan26-14.jpg

This is with 7 year old hardware.

Now throw 7990, 16 core CPU, 4gb ram +optimization + 1080p + 60 fps + lots of AA

My god, can you imagine what Halo 5, Witcher 3, Forza, Gears 4, etc... will looks like? Will demolish pc into oblivion.

reach3

Those are some very nice supersampled bullshots :)

Gotta love supersampling AA!

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#257 reach3
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[QUOTE="reach3"]

I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

whargh

This is with 7 year old hardware.

Now throw 7990, 16 core CPU, 4gb ram +optimization + 1080p + 60 fps + lots of AA

My god, can you imagine what Halo 5, Witcher 3, Forza, Gears 4, etc... will looks like? Will demolish pc into oblivion.

Inconsistancy

I fixed your picture, and there's no way a 7990 will get into a console, 2 gpu's is just madness.

You are so quick to doubt Microsoft. They will easily do it
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#258 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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We will be destroyed despite windows platform is going to get the majority of your xbox arcade games, and you will get nothing new from us? :lol: isnt that 90% of the xbox games now anyway.
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#259 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Well, if the XBox 720 does in fact release with a 7990 (with the expected heat issues), MS better decide what color the new Ring Of Death is going to be.

Inconsistancy

They wont need a color if they throw in a 7990, people will know when their house burns down.

Ain't that the truth ;)

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#260 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="reach3"]

I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

*pic*

This is with 7 year old hardware.

Now throw 7990, 16 core CPU, 4gb ram +optimization + 1080p + 60 fps + lots of AA

My god, can you imagine what Halo 5, Witcher 3, Forza, Gears 4, etc... will looks like? Will demolish pc into oblivion.

reach3

I fixed your picture, and there's no way a 7990 will get into a console, 2 gpu's is just madness.

You are so quick to doubt Microsoft. They will easily do it

Yeah,sure they will.After all,they don't want to be profitable,they care only about your.They'll throw Kinect and "casual" orrientation away,and focus on xtreme powah :lol:

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#261 jun_aka_pekto
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If MS implements this then perhaps the title of this thread may hold some merit. But, I don't think it'll be in time for XBox 720:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-microsoft-scalable-platform-patent

It's actually what I wanted the original Xbox to be.

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#262 Animal-Mother
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The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

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#263 Hexagon_777
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The title of this thread is a statement followed by a question. How can the statement be made when the information given is a question? How, reach3?
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#264 reach3
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The title of this thread is a statement followed by a question. How can the statement be made when the information given is a question? How, reach3?Hexagon_777
removed it :)
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#265 reach3
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The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

Animal-Mother

1) I dont listen to lambert 2) If you think Queen is bad you have horrible taste in music, or you are 12 years old.

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#266 tormentos
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If MS implements this then perhaps the title of this thread may hold some merit. But, I don't think it'll be in time for XBox 720:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-microsoft-scalable-platform-patent

It's actually what I wanted the original Xbox to be.

jun_aka_pekto
That is what i post in my thread,actually it will have multiple GPU and CPU but what is been claim is that since MS want to push media while gaming,those other component will take charge of those task,so that the dedicated console part don't have to divert resources to handle them, It makes sense. But even if it works on another level that would mean the xbox 720 will either be under power or expensive,the same parameter that apply to sony,nintendo and every manufacturer apply to MS,hell in this regard sony actually has an advantage because they are a hardware company at heart,just like MS has the upper hand when it comes to software.
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#267 tormentos
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The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

Animal-Mother
Hey Queen was great dude..
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#268 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

tormentos
Hey Queen was great dude..

Seconded, i was brought up with queen and they basically defined the music industry, Freddie mercury was one fo the true greats, my favorite tune though is under pressure with david bowie, another of my most favorite artists, him and freddie mercury where so perfectly synchronised in that song, gonna listen to some queen and bowie now actually.
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#269 TwistedShade
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You're ignorant if you truly believe microsoft will sell a roughly, 800$+ console at a massive loss. There is no way it's going to happen considering how much $$$ they're making off the 360.

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#270 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

reach3

1) I dont listen to lambert 2) If you think Queen is bad you have horrible taste in music, or you are 12 years old.

DO oyu know what subjective means? I can have my own preferences at the whopping age of 24. Also you do listen to adam lambert :lol:

Adamlambert.png

It says adam lambert :lol: Anywho those specs are fake. Also taking preferences in music a bit personally aren't we?

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#271 delta3074
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[QUOTE="reach3"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

Animal-Mother

1) I dont listen to lambert 2) If you think Queen is bad you have horrible taste in music, or you are 12 years old.

DO oyu know what subjective means? I can have my own preferences at the whopping age of 24. Also you do listen to adam lambert :lol:

Adamlambert.png

It says adam lambert :lol: Anywho those specs are fake. Also taking preferences in music a bit personally aren't we?

you are only 24? i got the impression you where older than that,lol
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#272 04dcarraher
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You're ignorant if you truly believe microsoft will sell a roughly, 800$+ console at a massive loss. There is no way it's going to happen considering how much $$$ they're making off the 360.

TwistedShade
On another note MS didnt start making pure profit on the 360 until this year.
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#273 AndersK
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I seriously can't stop laughing over the console crowd that yet again, buys into the multimillion dollar hype train, that these corporations are throwing in their face. Remember the various bullshots of games, and people thought it was gonna be photorealistic? Remember the PS2 screenshots of that Jurrassic Park game? Killzone 2? What about THE POWAH OF TEH_CELL?

You guys are buying into hype, and need to realize the consoles are gonna be medium performing machines, left in the dust 6 months after release, as usual.

You really think 300 dollars gives you a high performing beast of a machine that is gonna cost Microsoft 3 times that to produce? This is not proper capitalism. Everything runs off of the dollar. Get real Xbros.

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#274 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] 1) I dont listen to lambert 2) If you think Queen is bad you have horrible taste in music, or you are 12 years old.

delta3074

It says adam lambert :lol: Anywho those specs are fake. Also taking preferences in music a bit personally aren't we?

you are only 24? i got the impression you where older than that,lol

Yup still just a regular guy livin in new york.
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#275 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]It says adam lambert :lol: Anywho those specs are fake. Also taking preferences in music a bit personally aren't we?Animal-Mother
you are only 24? i got the impression you where older than that,lol

Yup still just a regular guy livin in new york.

i don't know, you just seem too sensible to be as young as 24.
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#276 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="delta3074"]you are only 24? i got the impression you where older than that,loldelta3074
Yup still just a regular guy livin in new york.

i don't know, you just seem too sensible to be as young as 24.

Go look in the lounge. I just posted a photo of myself in paris. And thank you very much!
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#277 -Unreal-
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Yes, it will totally have a graphics chipset more expensive than the current top of the line chipsets for a fraction of the price.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night. May I suggest some jelly?

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#279 RyviusARC
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I mean just think about it. 360 is 7 years old and producing visuals that could be mistaken for next gen. the only problem is resolution. But even 720p looks amazing with these visuals.

Halo-3.jpgreach3

Reminds me of Doom 3.......from last gen.
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#280 LegatoSkyheart
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Sounds like the Next Xbox IS a PC.

NeXtbox = Windows 8. :lol:

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#281 tormentos
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

The only thing more fail than this thread is the fact that you listen to queen and adam lambert.

delta3074
Hey Queen was great dude..

Seconded, i was brought up with queen and they basically defined the music industry, Freddie mercury was one fo the true greats, my favorite tune though is under pressure with david bowie, another of my most favorite artists, him and freddie mercury where so perfectly synchronised in that song, gonna listen to some queen and bowie now actually.

Bohemian Rhapsody... Hahaha...They truly were great...
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#282 Mazoch
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It must be a cold day in hell, I think Reach3 actually posted something that seems mostly plausible to me! People in the threat keep thinking in terms of today's hardware standards. We're not likely to see the 720 until late '13 at the earliest. Late '14 is much more likely (in fact Reach3's own article claims 2014 as the launch year). So while no console manufacturer would put a 7990 video card in a console today, in 2014 that'll be 2 year old tech. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them going for a dual core GPU, instead I think a 7950 or 7970 equivalent is most likely where they would aim. Now since this is 2012 a 7970 sounds crazy, but think back 2 years. Back then 5850 and 5870 cards were the 'hot new cutting edge' cards. Imagine if the WiiU announced that it's GPU would be a 5870. That wouldn't be that shocking or surprising... if anything it would be kinda underwhelming. MS aiming for a solid but 2 year old card at the time of launch .. yeah I can believe that. As for a 16 core CPU, same principle applies. While a 16 core CPY sounds crazy today, 2 years down the road it wont have to be nearly as mind blowing. And just because it has 4 cores it doesn't have to be the equivalent of 4 top end i7's. The last gen also saw the consoles place a much greater emphasis on CPU's compared to GPU's. The X360 had 3 cores while dual core were just starting to become the standard on PC's. The PS3 using 'the Cell' with it's unique architecture and high floating point potential. With that in mind, 16 cores in 2 years from now doesn't seem that unlikely. What Reach3 is saying (though it's not what he's trying to say), is that the 720 will be a solid but not mind blowing gaming console by late 2013 or mid 2014.
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#283 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Hey Queen was great dude..tormentos
Seconded, i was brought up with queen and they basically defined the music industry, Freddie mercury was one fo the true greats, my favorite tune though is under pressure with david bowie, another of my most favorite artists, him and freddie mercury where so perfectly synchronised in that song, gonna listen to some queen and bowie now actually.

Bohemian Rhapsody... Hahaha...They truly were great...

I never said queen was bad. It be stupid not to recognize them as a phenomenal band. But just not my taste. Also the fact that he's listening to adam lambert with queen he should be ashamed.

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MS e3 conference 2013: ''The 720 will launch at a price of 999,99 US dollars''

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#285 humpmasterflex
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MS e3 conference 2013: ''The 720 will launch at a price of 999,99 US dollars''

Postal_Guy

NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE us dollars!

NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE us dollars!

NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE us dollars!

GIANT ENEMY BRUTE!

NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE us dollars!

NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE us dollars!

NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE us dollars!

LMAO

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#286 tormentos
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MS e3 conference 2013: ''The 720 will launch at a price of 999,99 US dollars''

Postal_Guy
I was just thinking about it,you never know the patent show recently could very well be a premium model all included and more expensive,and the core units just play games,it could be possible. Now i don't see it happening with that GPU or a 16 core CPU.
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So guys, who do you think is the most annoying troll on SW, LoosingEnds or Reach3?

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It must be a cold day in hell, I think Reach3 actually posted something that seems mostly plausible to me! People in the threat keep thinking in terms of today's hardware standards. We're not likely to see the 720 until late '13 at the earliest. Late '14 is much more likely (in fact Reach3's own article claims 2014 as the launch year). So while no console manufacturer would put a 7990 video card in a console today, in 2014 that'll be 2 year old tech. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them going for a dual core GPU, instead I think a 7950 or 7970 equivalent is most likely where they would aim. Now since this is 2012 a 7970 sounds crazy, but think back 2 years. Back then 5850 and 5870 cards were the 'hot new cutting edge' cards. Imagine if the WiiU announced that it's GPU would be a 5870. That wouldn't be that shocking or surprising... if anything it would be kinda underwhelming. MS aiming for a solid but 2 year old card at the time of launch .. yeah I can believe that. As for a 16 core CPU, same principle applies. While a 16 core CPY sounds crazy today, 2 years down the road it wont have to be nearly as mind blowing. And just because it has 4 cores it doesn't have to be the equivalent of 4 top end i7's. The last gen also saw the consoles place a much greater emphasis on CPU's compared to GPU's. The X360 had 3 cores while dual core were just starting to become the standard on PC's. The PS3 using 'the Cell' with it's unique architecture and high floating point potential. With that in mind, 16 cores in 2 years from now doesn't seem that unlikely. What Reach3 is saying (though it's not what he's trying to say), is that the 720 will be a solid but not mind blowing gaming console by late 2013 or mid 2014. Mazoch

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

It's not just about power, it's about production costs, yeilds, heat, power consumption. A 7990 sucks up tons of juice, gets extremly hot, and takes longer to build. When you have to put 720s into mass production, you cannot have something that takes to long to build, or put in some massive cooling system that makes the console the size of a small truck.

Even worse is everybody is getting their hopes up that the 720 is going to be some powerhouse when it's not going to be. There is no point of trying to beat high end PCs. High end PCs are a tiny fraction of the market due to their cost and complexity. So what if hermits laugh at people on forums, that doesn't stop the masses from buying Call of Duty 16 with the same graphics engine as CoD 4. They don't care, why should Microsoft?

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#289 lostrib
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So guys, who do you think is the most annoying troll on SW, LoosingEnds or Reach3?

kraken2109

They're the same person, along with me123x or whatever his name is with the Trolololol avatar

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#290 dream431ca
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16 core CPU?... :lol:

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Could ms build that box yeah but the the cost and size would huge. Just cooling that would be a problem for a console. We all saw how many problems the 360 had I really doubt that ms would do that again.

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#292 El_Garbanzo
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Handful of cores for kinect, couple for multitasking sosial media garbage, couple for os and ads and etc. and whats left is to run annual cod and halo

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#293 Mazoch
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[QUOTE="Mazoch"]It must be a cold day in hell, I think Reach3 actually posted something that seems mostly plausible to me! People in the threat keep thinking in terms of today's hardware standards. We're not likely to see the 720 until late '13 at the earliest. Late '14 is much more likely (in fact Reach3's own article claims 2014 as the launch year). So while no console manufacturer would put a 7990 video card in a console today, in 2014 that'll be 2 year old tech. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them going for a dual core GPU, instead I think a 7950 or 7970 equivalent is most likely where they would aim. Now since this is 2012 a 7970 sounds crazy, but think back 2 years. Back then 5850 and 5870 cards were the 'hot new cutting edge' cards. Imagine if the WiiU announced that it's GPU would be a 5870. That wouldn't be that shocking or surprising... if anything it would be kinda underwhelming. MS aiming for a solid but 2 year old card at the time of launch .. yeah I can believe that. As for a 16 core CPU, same principle applies. While a 16 core CPY sounds crazy today, 2 years down the road it wont have to be nearly as mind blowing. And just because it has 4 cores it doesn't have to be the equivalent of 4 top end i7's. The last gen also saw the consoles place a much greater emphasis on CPU's compared to GPU's. The X360 had 3 cores while dual core were just starting to become the standard on PC's. The PS3 using 'the Cell' with it's unique architecture and high floating point potential. With that in mind, 16 cores in 2 years from now doesn't seem that unlikely. What Reach3 is saying (though it's not what he's trying to say), is that the 720 will be a solid but not mind blowing gaming console by late 2013 or mid 2014. Wasdie

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

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#294 tormentos
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Could ms build that box yeah but the the cost and size would huge. Just cooling that would be a problem for a console. We all saw how many problems the 360 had I really doubt that ms would do that again.

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Not only the cooling aspect but the size of the console it self,the xbox 360 first model was large,the PS3 was also big,but the PS3 features and internal PSU. More or bigger cooling solution would require a bigger system.
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Xbox brand domination? You know that the gamecube had stronger hardware than the xbox and ps2? :lol: Anyway,usual crappy reach3 thread,will deny everything
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]It must be a cold day in hell, I think Reach3 actually posted something that seems mostly plausible to me! People in the threat keep thinking in terms of today's hardware standards. We're not likely to see the 720 until late '13 at the earliest. Late '14 is much more likely (in fact Reach3's own article claims 2014 as the launch year). So while no console manufacturer would put a 7990 video card in a console today, in 2014 that'll be 2 year old tech. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them going for a dual core GPU, instead I think a 7950 or 7970 equivalent is most likely where they would aim. Now since this is 2012 a 7970 sounds crazy, but think back 2 years. Back then 5850 and 5870 cards were the 'hot new cutting edge' cards. Imagine if the WiiU announced that it's GPU would be a 5870. That wouldn't be that shocking or surprising... if anything it would be kinda underwhelming. MS aiming for a solid but 2 year old card at the time of launch .. yeah I can believe that. As for a 16 core CPU, same principle applies. While a 16 core CPY sounds crazy today, 2 years down the road it wont have to be nearly as mind blowing. And just because it has 4 cores it doesn't have to be the equivalent of 4 top end i7's. The last gen also saw the consoles place a much greater emphasis on CPU's compared to GPU's. The X360 had 3 cores while dual core were just starting to become the standard on PC's. The PS3 using 'the Cell' with it's unique architecture and high floating point potential. With that in mind, 16 cores in 2 years from now doesn't seem that unlikely. What Reach3 is saying (though it's not what he's trying to say), is that the 720 will be a solid but not mind blowing gaming console by late 2013 or mid 2014. Mazoch

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

They aren't going to go with a 16 core cpu for much simpler reasons, it would be a waste of time. It is VERY difficult to keep 16 cores busy. Even a heavy multitasking system is going have a hard time keeping that many cores busy. As such it would be a total waste of power to put into a system that is dedicated to doing single tasks. They would be much better off going with a higher frequency, fewer core CPU, which would have more impact. The closest this is going to be is the 16 thread rumor, which is 4 cores, that is somewhat reasonable.
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#297 mitu123
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Wow...thread is still going.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]It must be a cold day in hell, I think Reach3 actually posted something that seems mostly plausible to me! People in the threat keep thinking in terms of today's hardware standards. We're not likely to see the 720 until late '13 at the earliest. Late '14 is much more likely (in fact Reach3's own article claims 2014 as the launch year). So while no console manufacturer would put a 7990 video card in a console today, in 2014 that'll be 2 year old tech. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them going for a dual core GPU, instead I think a 7950 or 7970 equivalent is most likely where they would aim. Now since this is 2012 a 7970 sounds crazy, but think back 2 years. Back then 5850 and 5870 cards were the 'hot new cutting edge' cards. Imagine if the WiiU announced that it's GPU would be a 5870. That wouldn't be that shocking or surprising... if anything it would be kinda underwhelming. MS aiming for a solid but 2 year old card at the time of launch .. yeah I can believe that. As for a 16 core CPU, same principle applies. While a 16 core CPY sounds crazy today, 2 years down the road it wont have to be nearly as mind blowing. And just because it has 4 cores it doesn't have to be the equivalent of 4 top end i7's. The last gen also saw the consoles place a much greater emphasis on CPU's compared to GPU's. The X360 had 3 cores while dual core were just starting to become the standard on PC's. The PS3 using 'the Cell' with it's unique architecture and high floating point potential. With that in mind, 16 cores in 2 years from now doesn't seem that unlikely. What Reach3 is saying (though it's not what he's trying to say), is that the 720 will be a solid but not mind blowing gaming console by late 2013 or mid 2014. Mazoch

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

But in 2003, dual core processors were already in development, we knew the performance gains and they were being worked on. Now we know that more cores isn't the way to go.

It's far fretched for a lot of reasons. PCs won't even have that many cores, nor will super computer processors. There is no point. Costs to much to make, to much heat, and way to much power consumption.

Anyways, 16 core CPUs wouldn't even be used properly and you wouldn't see jack for performance gains.

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Bu..but where'z deh gamez???

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]It must be a cold day in hell, I think Reach3 actually posted something that seems mostly plausible to me! People in the threat keep thinking in terms of today's hardware standards. We're not likely to see the 720 until late '13 at the earliest. Late '14 is much more likely (in fact Reach3's own article claims 2014 as the launch year). So while no console manufacturer would put a 7990 video card in a console today, in 2014 that'll be 2 year old tech. The only thing I think is highly unlikely is them going for a dual core GPU, instead I think a 7950 or 7970 equivalent is most likely where they would aim. Now since this is 2012 a 7970 sounds crazy, but think back 2 years. Back then 5850 and 5870 cards were the 'hot new cutting edge' cards. Imagine if the WiiU announced that it's GPU would be a 5870. That wouldn't be that shocking or surprising... if anything it would be kinda underwhelming. MS aiming for a solid but 2 year old card at the time of launch .. yeah I can believe that. As for a 16 core CPU, same principle applies. While a 16 core CPY sounds crazy today, 2 years down the road it wont have to be nearly as mind blowing. And just because it has 4 cores it doesn't have to be the equivalent of 4 top end i7's. The last gen also saw the consoles place a much greater emphasis on CPU's compared to GPU's. The X360 had 3 cores while dual core were just starting to become the standard on PC's. The PS3 using 'the Cell' with it's unique architecture and high floating point potential. With that in mind, 16 cores in 2 years from now doesn't seem that unlikely. What Reach3 is saying (though it's not what he's trying to say), is that the 720 will be a solid but not mind blowing gaming console by late 2013 or mid 2014. Mazoch

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

You forget that in 2004/2005 we were on the dawn of a new era of mainstream multicore computing and a new unified shader architecture for gpu's MS knew of this and spent the money for the prototype hardware to be more future proof. However they did cut things down to save money such as cooling, quality of parts and even memory. But look at whats being used now from 2005 to 2012 the majority of programs and games still only require a dual core cpu to run normal. Its has just been in the last few yaers where quad cores have started to needed to get best performance. Also note that the 360's cpu with sheer processing power is actually slower then an AMD Athlon X2(dual core from 2005). Now a low ghz 16 core ARM based system wouldnt be too out there but a modern pc 16 core cpu would consume too much power and produce too much heat for what would be needed. Now onto the gpu , from your post you clearly dont understand what is required to operate a gpu like 7950 or greater let alone a 7990, The 1st gen 360's gpu used 90w and MS had major issues cooling it all the way into 2008. Now you expect MS to power and cool a gpu that uses 2x the power and produces more then 2x the heat? And a 7990 will use 300w which more then 3x the requirements.