PC to be destroyed next year. Xbox 720 specs= AMD 7990. 16 Core CPU, 4GB Ram

Can they even shove 16 cores into a 22nm chip? I would think the heat would be off the charts

Can they even shove 16 cores into a 22nm chip? I would think the heat would be off the charts

lostrib

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

Mazoch

Until Xbox 720 is released there will be way better graphic cards. Plus, I have 8GB Ram, so take that sucka.

Oh and by the way, that's rumours only.

I can only see this happening at $300 if they do it alongside their new subscription agreement plan.

Also I'm still not convinced on the 16 core CPU. I know they new a lot for built-in Kinect but I would think more in an 8 core one, because we need to consider the heat and 16 cores is something you would see on a server.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Can they even shove 16 cores into a 22nm chip? I would think the heat would be off the charts

04dcarraher

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Can they even shove 16 cores into a 22nm chip? I would think the heat would be off the charts

Wasdie

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

Yeah, and 16 cores would probably require like LN2 cooling or something

By next year, top-end PC hardware will be at least double those Xbox 720 Specs. Triple in some cases.

The ONLY good news about this is the the console ports to PC will be much better quality then the crap PC-gamers are getting now.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

Wasdie

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

But in 2003, dual core processors were already in development, we knew the performance gains and they were being worked on. Now we know that more cores isn't the way to go.

It's far fretched for a lot of reasons. PCs won't even have that many cores, nor will super computer processors. There is no point. Costs to much to make, to much heat, and way to much power consumption.

Anyways, 16 core CPUs wouldn't even be used properly and you wouldn't see jack for performance gains.

16 core cpu's are already on the market (AMD's Opteron 6200).

Yes, you are right in that the general wisdom right now is that we'll be moving away from the idea of increasing performance by sticking more cores on CPU's. 3 years ago everyone was claiming that multi-core was the new thing. That everything would have cores coming out of both ends. It's only a couple of years since everyone was talking about how Larrabee would have 16, 32 or 64 cores and revolutionizes computing.

If someone had said that the xbox would have three cores in 2003 they would have been called crazy.

If someone had claimed that the PS3 would be able to produce as much as 150 gflops two years before it was launched no one would have believed them.

If someone had said in 2004 that the PS3 would have a 50gb drive, a lot of people would have claimed it would be impossible.

In addition we don?t know anything about what these cores are supposed to do, how fast they are supposed to be or how they are supposed to be setup.

I'm not saying that the 720 WILL have 16 cores, but I personally don?t think it sounds especially farfetched.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

Mazoch

But in 2003, dual core processors were already in development, we knew the performance gains and they were being worked on. Now we know that more cores isn't the way to go.

It's far fretched for a lot of reasons. PCs won't even have that many cores, nor will super computer processors. There is no point. Costs to much to make, to much heat, and way to much power consumption.

Anyways, 16 core CPUs wouldn't even be used properly and you wouldn't see jack for performance gains.

16 core cpu's are already on the market (AMD's Opteron 6200).

Yes, you are right in that the general wisdom right now is that we'll be moving away from the idea of increasing performance by sticking more cores on CPU's. 3 years ago everyone was claiming that multi-core was the new thing. That everything would have cores coming out of both ends. It's only a couple of years since everyone was talking about how Larrabee would have 16, 32 or 64 cores and revolutionizes computing.

If someone had said that the xbox would have three cores in 2003 they would have been called crazy.

If someone had claimed that the PS3 would be able to produce as much as 150 gflops two years before it was launched no one would have believed them.

If someone had said in 2004 that the PS3 would have a 50gb drive, a lot of people would have claimed it would be impossible.

In addition we don?t know anything about what these cores are supposed to do, how fast they are supposed to be or how they are supposed to be setup.

I'm not saying that the 720 WILL have 16 cores, but I personally don?t think it sounds especially farfetched.

Those are server chips. And they cost upwards of 500 to 1000 dollars each

We should screencap this so when it's weaker than modern pcs on release we can flood the forum with the sweet smell of powerful butthurt.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Can they even shove 16 cores into a 22nm chip? I would think the heat would be off the charts

Wasdie

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

299.99 does not equal 7990, 7990 will cost about a grand. If they want a 300 dollar system, quad core, 4 gb of ram, 250 gb hd, and some like a 6850/460

reach3

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

Kinthalis

I would guess because of power and heat limitations the components would be closer to that of laptop components

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

Kinthalis

Hopefully these rumors are true.

I'm really looking forward to a high power console next-gen. Let's see what they can do.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

Mozelleple112

What the heck would the 50 dollars a month be for? I cant imagine anyone paying 300+monthly.

The ONLY good news about this is the the console ports to PC will be much better quality then the crap PC-gamers are getting now.

Netherscourge

I doubt the specs of the 720 will make a difference in Bethesdas optimization or curve the trend of linear, heavily scripted quicktime events.

But hey, think of all the extra bloom we will get to see!

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

The ONLY good news about this is the the console ports to PC will be much better quality then the crap PC-gamers are getting now.

slimjimbadboy

I doubt the specs of the 720 will make a difference in Bethesdas optimization or curve the trend of linear, heavily scripted quicktime events.

But hey, think of all the extra bloom we will get to see!

Screw bloom! I want more Lens Flares! I want it to feel like I'm on the bridge of the Enterprise

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

Mozelleple112

I think that very well might happen. People are gullible, and it's been shown that they'll take it up the @ss as long as it's done little bit by little bit. If they came out with an $800 console, they would all laugh. But charge them TWICE that much over a year or two, and they'll take it.

I can't wait till next gen when console gamers start tryign to justify their expensive consoles. I can see it now!

PC Gamer: Dude for half the money you're giving to Microsoft you could have a PC that BEATS the console. And now a days most games are multi-plat anyway.

Console "elitist": You PC gamers are so poor! We pay a all this money to Microsoft 'cause we got the benjamins!

Next year?

The AMD 8000 series will be out end of this year = FAIL

looool. You're funny

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

Kinthalis

Alot of people say alot of things ain't gonna happen.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

People should consider that console cores are NOT going to eb the same thing as the core ona desktop processor. I can see 4-8 cores in next gen consoles, but they are not going to be robust cores like on a modern desktop CPU. They are going to be specialized cores that excel at doing very specific tasks, and suck at doing others, pretty much like what we have now.

The xbox 360 struggles with some of it's media abilities over a PC, simply because of limitaitons of it's CPU.

Dual 7970's sound liek some sort of diluted consolite wet dream or something.

It ain't gonna happen.

GOGOGOGURT

Alot of people say alot of things ain't gonna happen.

Even if these rumors were true who gives a sh!t, its the 720. M$ has shown they no longer care about the core gamer with their refusal to creat new IP's and put old Ip's to good use.

inb4uall

Even if these rumors were true who gives a sh!t, its the 720. M$ has shown they no longer care about the core gamer with their refusal to creat new IP's and put old Ip's to good use.

inb4uall

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, looks at xbox360achievements.org forums. Pretty f##king hardcore players.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

16 core CPUs sound crazy 2 years down the road from a design standpoint. Intel and AMD have moved to the APUs because more cores was not the route to take. They said that back during the Core 2 Duo age. 4 cores with 2 threads a peice was about as much as they needed from a hardware and software standpoint.As for the 7990, are you forgetting that's a dual GPU card?

I don't care if you're trolling or not.

The rumors are the PS4 is going to have an AMD APU processor instead of a larger Cell. APUs are the way CPU design is going. Not just more general cores. 16 core CPU yeilds would be terrible and production costs would be to high even 10 years from now.

04dcarraher

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

I'll keep it short since I need to focus on other stuff (ie.. work :P).

As mentioned in both my posts, I don?t think they'd want to go for a design based on the 7990.

When I'm talking about a console using a 7950 or 7970 I guess I should say 'a custom build GPU based on the tech of, and with a with a performance comparable to, a 7950 or 7970'. It would seem obvious to me to expect whatever ends up in the console to be tailored to the console as opposed to a desktop consumer market (typically areas where minor reduction in performance could result in relatively large gains in power / heat consumption and/or cost), just like they did with the previous generation of consoles.

As for the CPU I?m not saying that 16 cores would necessarily equate a 16 core x86 style CPU.

My point is simple; I've been building and playing with PC's and computer games for about 20 years now. Discussions and posts like this appear with every new console. The X360 and PS3 were impressive machines in their own right. PC?s will always overtake consoles (in most areas they will do so before the console even hits the market). But two years is a LONG time in this industry and what is top of the line, incredible and near unachievable today will as often as not are the average and the norm in a few short years.

Anyways, maybe I?m way off, maybe the 720 will have 5850 GPU and single core cpu.. my personal guess is that a 7950/70 and a cpu with 16 cores of some kind is possible. It's just a guess and either way, we won?t really know until official specs are released.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Can they even shove 16 cores into a 22nm chip? I would think the heat would be off the charts

Wasdie

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Look at intel's i7 3770k is 77w tdp, just add 4x the cores, you will see it use more then 200w.Inconsistancy

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

How could adding cores NOT increase transistor count?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Look at intel's i7 3770k is 77w tdp, just add 4x the cores, you will see it use more then 200w.Inconsistancy

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Mazoch"]

Think back to 2 years before the X360 was released. In 2003 no one used dual core CPU's in their home machines. Pentium 4 was the fancy high end CPU out there and AMD was just starting to show what they could do with the Duron and K2's. If someone had said back then that the next game console would have not 2 but 3 cores, most people would have thought it was a joke. I'm not saying the 720 will have 16 cores, it just dosent sound that far fetched to me.

As for the 7990, I did point out in my post that I didnt think that they would be likely to use a dual core GPU and pointed to the 7970 or 7950 as much more likely candidates. But my point stand, that a console 2 years from now using a 79XX GPU dosent sound the least bit crazy to me.

Mazoch

I'll keep it short since I need to focus on other stuff (ie.. work :P).

As mentioned in both my posts, I don?t think they'd want to go for a design based on the 7990.

When I'm talking about a console using a 7950 or 7970 I guess I should say 'a custom build GPU based on the tech of, and with a with a performance comparable to, a 7950 or 7970'. It would seem obvious to me to expect whatever ends up in the console to be tailored to the console as opposed to a desktop consumer market (typically areas where minor reduction in performance could result in relatively large gains in power / heat consumption and/or cost), just like they did with the previous generation of consoles.

As for the CPU I?m not saying that 16 cores would necessarily equate a 16 core x86 style CPU.

My point is simple; I've been building and playing with PC's and computer games for about 20 years now. Discussions and posts like this appear with every new console. The X360 and PS3 were impressive machines in their own right. PC?s will always overtake consoles (in most areas they will do so before the console even hits the market). But two years is a LONG time in this industry and what is top of the line, incredible and near unachievable today will as often as not are the average and the norm in a few short years.

Anyways, maybe I?m way off, maybe the 720 will have 5850 GPU and single core cpu.. my personal guess is that a 7950/70 and a cpu with 16 cores of some kind is possible. It's just a guess and either way, we won?t really know until official specs are released.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Power consupmtion isn't linear, it's exponential. Same with heat.

Kinthalis

How could adding cores NOT increase transistor count?

Uhh, by not adding more transistors? Unless the die size is getting bigger, or the manufacturing process getting smaller, the transistor count isn't going up, they have finite space and they fill up as much as possible to begin with.

A modern processor core has many many times more transistors than something like a p4, or even a stream processor(in a gpu), that's where you see 2048 stream processors in the core of a 7970, it's not that there's 512x the transistor count, it's that there are less devoted to any individual piece.

[QUOTE="inb4uall"]

Even if these rumors were true who gives a sh!t, its the 720. M$ has shown they no longer care about the core gamer with their refusal to creat new IP's and put old Ip's to good use.

brennanhuff

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, looks at xbox360achievements.org forums. Pretty f##king hardcore players.

There's no way this is real, they'd be taking such a loss it would be ridiculous.

4GB RAM? :lol:

More cores are not necessarily better. My 4 core CPU is better than an 8 core AMD chip I was looking at. Will the GPU won't be quite as good as a PC 7990 with the heat restrictions of a console?

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]The title of this thread is a statement followed by a question. How can the statement be made when the information given is a question? How, reach3?reach3

Does everyone realize they're being trolled?

I call bullsh*t.

Does everyone realize they're being trolled?

SRTtoZ

I don't mind. It's System Wars after all. :lol:

lol @ 4gb ram my pc has 8gb

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Adding more cores isn't going to increase heat... transistor count's not going up, no higher frequency.Inconsistancy

How could adding cores NOT increase transistor count?

Uhh, by not adding more transistors? Unless the die size is getting bigger, or the manufacturing process getting smaller, the transistor count isn't going up, they have finite space and they fill up as much as possible to begin with.

A modern processor core has many many times more transistors than something like a p4, or even a stream processor(in a gpu), that's where you see 2048 stream processors in the core of a 7970, it's not that there's 512x the transistor count, it's that there are less devoted to any individual piece.

This makes no nsense. You're coming at things the wrong way.

First you decid eon the chip architecture, specificlaly how the main logic and each core is structured. This gives you a transisitor count per core. Then adding cores increses the number of transistors on the die.

You seem to be saying that given a specific number of tnransistors, it doesn't matter how they are spread accross cores... well duh, yes that's true, but the number of transistors is tied to the number of cores and their architecture.

Didn't TC say he was leaving system wars for a while? What happened with that?

Didn't TC say he was leaving system wars for a while? What happened with that?

clone01

That's what I was wondering.

Didn't TC say he was leaving system wars for a while? What happened with that?

clone01

He's a troll. That's what happened.

16 cores is something you would see on a server.glez13

lol @ 4gb ram my pc has 8gb

Xboxdroolz

[QUOTE="Xboxdroolz"]

lol @ 4gb ram my pc has 8gb

parkurtommo