PC vs console graphics - PC always wins?

To hermits it is :lol:

Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.nameless12345

This is a joke topic right? otherwise :lol:

To hermits it is :lol:

Sh4nk3r

Pretty much, but Crysis seems to be the one game everyone turns to for graphics benchmarks and as its on PC I'd expect Hermits to milk that exclusivity to no end, much like how lems milk the sales argument because of how well Halo sells and how... well, any fanboy will milk any major advantage here. I know Cows and sheep both pull the "highest metacritic scores" card.

Sad but true.

You get what you pay for.

Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.nameless12345

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

[QUOTE="Sh4nk3r"]

To hermits it is :lol:

SPYDER0416

Pretty much, but Crysis seems to be the one game everyone turns to for graphics benchmarks and as its on PC I'd expect Hermits to milk that exclusivity to no end, much like how lems milk the sales argument because of how well Halo sells and how... well, any fanboy will milk any major advantage here. I know Cows and sheep both pull the "highest metacritic scores" card.

Sad but true.

Really Crysis the only game? Metro 2033, Mafia 2 (the consoles don't even come close), Stalker series, World In Conflict, Total War series, GTR2, Doom 3 (that game still looks great today), Company Of Heroes, The Witcher, The Witcher 2, GTA 4 and the list goes on and on. The PC will always have the graphically upperhand over consoles of this gen, last gen and the future gens.

You get what you pay for.

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.jun_aka_pekto

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.jun_aka_pekto

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

You get what you pay for.

bowlingotter

Pretty much this. It's just that at this point in the current generation, your average PC is starting to get better than the HD consoles.

Edit: If we're talking about gamers specifically, it's been like this for a while.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.loadedboon

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

bowlingotter

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

Filthybastrd

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Predate that: Rendition!bowlingotter

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

Hehe, I was about to edit my post. It occurred to me that I probably had a Voodoo 2 for Quake, which meant there was precedance.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

Filthybastrd

Hehe, I was about to edit my post. It occurred to me that I probably had a Voodoo 2 for Quake, which mean there was precedance.

Ah, another thread by a console gamer who knows absolutely nothing about the PC.

Probably better to compare a game that's been released on multiple platforms. Yeah, Uncharted 2 looked pretty sweet, but that's simply opinion, really. Bet you can find some folks who don't care much for the way Uncharted 2 looks. Anyway, it depends on various factors and think a lot of it deals with the developer and what they choose to go with as far as graphics are concerned. Hell, can point out an example that is contrary to your comment on Uncharted 2. Take Dragon Age. I bought my copy for the PC. A coworker of mine bought it for the PS3. Thus, I got a good idea how the two versions compare. My conclusion? Well, Dragon Age for the PC looked better and ran smoother than it did on my coworker's PS3. But then we take a game like Uncharted 2 that took advantage of PS3's strengths and optimized it so that the game looked good. So it just boils down to how well a developer can take advantage of what it has with whatever platform(s) being developed for. I will say this though, PC's generally have better hardware to handle a better graphic's engine. Just a matter of a developer taking advantage or not.XIntoTheBlue

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.loadedboon

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

The PS1/PSX was released in 1995. 3dfx Voodoo wasn't even released until near the end of 1996 after both PS1 and N64. I know because I received a special offer for one from Computability (now part of PC Mall) back in Dec 1996. The Voodoo didn't become widespread until early spring of 1997.

The card itself is long gone. But, I still have some of the games bundled with it:

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Predate that: Rendition!bowlingotter

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

Wasn't Terminal Velocity also a full 3D game? Not sure anymore since it's been like 15 years since i played that game :)

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Predate that: Rendition!bowlingotter

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

You had to specify genres to make a point? :lol:

Best graphics is pretty general, so why limit it so you can win? PC has games with the best graphics, thus it wins. However, it doesn't always have great looking games, as that is dependant upon the developer/timeframe/development costts/ budget/etc/etc.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

chaplainDMK

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

loadedboon

Wasn't Terminal Velocity also a full 3D game? Not sure anymore since it's been like 15 years since i played that game :)

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

jun_aka_pekto

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

The PS1/PSX was released in 1995. 3dfx Voodoo wasn't even released until near the end of 1996 after both PS1 and N64. I know because I received a special offer for one from Computability (now part of PC Mall) back in Dec 1996. The Voodoo didn't become widespread until early spring of 1997.

You're right (just googled it) and I stand corrected but it still doesn''t change the fact the PC did 3D better then the PS1 or N64 back then.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought the PS1 had the first widescale use 3d-accelerated graphics.

jun_aka_pekto

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

The PS1/PSX was released in 1995. 3dfx Voodoo wasn't even released until near the end of 1996 after both PS1 and N64. I know because I received a special offer for one from Computability (now part of PC Mall) back in Dec 1996. The Voodoo didn't become widespread until early spring of 1997.

Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3nameless12345

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Eventual patches for Descent II as well. The first game I ever played with 3D acceleration though was Mechwarrior II. I remember my jaw hitting the floor.bowlingotter

Same with RE1 and Omen of Blood: Legacy of Kain. Especially Kain was amazing! The voice acting and story and gfx!!!!! Actually the story is still good. So is the VO :)

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Eventual patches for Descent II as well. The first game I ever played with 3D acceleration though was Mechwarrior II. I remember my jaw hitting the floor.bowlingotter

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Eventual patches for Descent II as well. The first game I ever played with 3D acceleration though was Mechwarrior II. I remember my jaw hitting the floor.bowlingotter

Wasn't Terminal Velocity also a full 3D game? Not sure anymore since it's been like 15 years since i played that game :)

I do remember it was playable under DOS not sure if it also worked in w95. But the one thing i will never forget is that it ran like crap on my 486 DX-66 back then.

Ok, Uncharted 2 looks awesome.. But Crysis has much better graphics... PC wins.. harry_james_pot

First, two VERY different art styles, and saying Crysis looks better than Uncharted 2 is VERY debatable.

Second, you're missing the point. The point is that if you were able to play Uncharted 2 on a PC, you'd be able to tailor it to your hardware and potentially crank the resolution higher, improve the framerate, smooth out jagged edges, and maybe even end up with better lighting.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Wasn't Terminal Velocity also a full 3D game? Not sure anymore since it's been like 15 years since i played that game :)

loadedboon

I do remember it was playable under DOS not sure if it also worked in w95. But the one thing i will never forget is that it ran like crap on my 486 DX-66 back then.

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"]Ok, Uncharted 2 looks awesome.. But Crysis has much better graphics... PC wins.. bowlingotter

First, two VERY different art styles, and saying Crysis looks better than Uncharted 2 is VERY debatable.

Second, you're missing the point. The point is that if you were able to play Uncharted 2 on a PC, you'd be able to tailor it to your hardware and potentially crank the resolution higher, improve the framerate, smooth out jagged edges, and maybe even end up with better lighting.

The only thing herms rely on is Crysis, at least get another game from your huge library of exclusives.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] 3D acceleration had to be more commonplace by then but I don't remember specifically... Wasn't that Windows 95 Native, though? God that used to kill me, ran soooo slowwww when I couldn't afford the hardwarebowlingotter

I do remember it was playable under DOS not sure if it also worked in w95. But the one thing i will never forget is that it ran like crap on my 486 DX-66 back then.

My 1st PC was an IBM XT 12mhz :) the 1st game i ever played was wolfenstein 3D and damn that game was amazing for it's time.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

Filthybastrd

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

Quake released with no 3D-acceleration. It wasn't until something like February 1997 when a 3dfx patch was made for it and it became GLQuake. Rendition's Quake patch came about a couple weeks prior to the 3dfx patch.

Unaccelerated Quake is the game that started the whole CPU overclocking craze. Even the best CPUs (the MMX series) could barely do 25 fps at SVGA resolutions. Overclocking the CPU was just enough to push the frame rate into the upper 20's/low 30's which was wonderful at the time.

During 1996, the consoles ruled. I thought about switching permanently to the PSX and N64. But after the Voodoo came out, I forgot everything else and stuck to PC gaming.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

The Voodoo GPU's say hello.

loadedboon

The PS1/PSX was released in 1995. 3dfx Voodoo wasn't even released until near the end of 1996 after both PS1 and N64. I know because I received a special offer for one from Computability (now part of PC Mall) back in Dec 1996. The Voodoo didn't become widespread until early spring of 1997.

You're right (just googled it) and I stand corrected but it still doesn''t change the fact the PC did 3D better then the PS1 or N64 back then.

I remember hooking up Tomb Raider and getting the 3fx Glide patch installed on it. Then marvelling at how much better it looked over my roommates PS1 version (that horrible pixelated jaggie abomination). Ninty's N64 was pretty sharp but really all i can remember being impressed by was Super Mario 64. Everything else was fun but the graphics were just ok.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"]

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"]Ok, Uncharted 2 looks awesome.. But Crysis has much better graphics... PC wins.. ucme4k

First, two VERY different art styles, and saying Crysis looks better than Uncharted 2 is VERY debatable.

Second, you're missing the point. The point is that if you were able to play Uncharted 2 on a PC, you'd be able to tailor it to your hardware and potentially crank the resolution higher, improve the framerate, smooth out jagged edges, and maybe even end up with better lighting.

PC has better looking games, even the multiplats own the exclusives in graphics.

The only thing herms rely on is Crysis, at least get another game from your huge library of exclusives.

Sh4nk3r

you mean like the Total War games, Stalker games, Company Of Heroes, World in Conflict, Doom 3 (which still looks great today on the PC that is) want more games cause i can list more exclusives which look better then anything on consoles. It are you consolites who keep on mentioning Crysis, but I understand it's a consolites wet dream to be able to play which such awesome graphics.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Predate that: Rendition!jun_aka_pekto

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

Quake released with no 3D-acceleration. It wasn't until something like February 1997 when a 3dfx patch was made for it and it became GLQuake. Rendition's Quake patch came about a couple weeks prior to the 3dfx patch.

Unaccelerated Quake is the game that started the whole CPU overclocking craze. Even the best CPUs (the MMX series) could barely do 25 fps at SVGA resolutions. Overclocking the CPU was just enough to push the frame rate into the upper 20's/low 30's which was wonderful at the time.

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"][QUOTE="loadedboon"]

I do remember it was playable under DOS not sure if it also worked in w95. But the one thing i will never forget is that it ran like crap on my 486 DX-66 back then.

loadedboon

My 1st PC was an IBM XT 12mhz :) the 1st game i ever played was wolfenstein 3D and damn that game was amazing for it's time.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="bowlingotter"] Predate that: Rendition!jun_aka_pekto

Ah yes, Quake 1 had 3D acceleration.

Quake released with no 3D-acceleration. It wasn't until something like February 1997 when a 3dfx patch was made for it and it became GLQuake. Rendition's Quake patch came about a couple weeks prior to the 3dfx patch.

Unaccelerated Quake is the game that started the whole CPU overclocking craze. Even the best CPUs (the MMX series) could barely do 25 fps at SVGA resolutions. Overclocking the CPU was just enough to push the frame rate into the upper 20's/low 30's which was wonderful at the time.

Using a 3D add on card also helped tip the scales. Using my Monster 3D card I was able to run several of the 3Dfx games without any problem. In fact I don't think that I started to run into problems until that behemoth Ultima IX came out.

Not at all. Despite the PC's hardware superiority, that didn't prevent consoles from giving the PC a run for its money quite some times. Examples: Super Mario 64 was the first 3D accelerated game for home systems, Soul Calibur was the best-looking fighter in 1999 by far, Halo was the first FPS with pixel shaded effects, Gears of War was the first TPS with the Unreal Engine 3, the cars in Gran Turismo 3 and 5 Prologue looked the best in their time (even if some other racers might have had more detailed cars technically speaking), Uncharted 2 is hands-down the best-looking third-person action adventure and I could go on. So PC graphics = always superior = not true.nameless12345

The only thing herms rely on is Crysis, at least get another game from your huge library of exclusives.

Sh4nk3r

Here you go:

Not downscaled, non bullshot screenshots take with Evga Precision from my own experience with Metro 2033. Since these look better than most of the crazy res console bullshots we see around here, I dare you to even try and find a real screenshot of fx, Kz2/3, Gears 2/3, AW, UC2, GoW3 or whatever.

Remember this: REAL screenshot.

Edit: Oh ,exclusive.... Well, remember the ton of mutliplat ps360 comparison threads we've seen since this gen started? Turns out some multiplats have differences so noticable that you don't actually have to play side by side to notice.

The only thing herms rely on is Crysis, at least get another game from your huge library of exclusives.

Sh4nk3r

Metro 2033, Stalker series, Cryostasis, Empire: Total War, Shogun 2 (not released yet), Shattered Horizon. There's 8 mroe for you.