PSN+ IS OUT!! It's Mindblowingly Awesome. Live Eat Your Heart Out.

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#201 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] ^^lol if I stop paying for gold, I get to keep those games, themes and avatars...ps plus not so much.Ravensmash
What????????????? If you by something on PSN you keep it if you cancel PS+ too. What are you talking about? If you cancel Gold the online portion of your games is gone too. I think your very very very confused and need to take a step back and analyze what your saying.

I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.

Man are people losing their mind or what. Dude IF WE PAY FOR SOMETHING AS A PSN USER OR PSN+ USER WE KEEP IT. END OF STORY. YOUR COMPARING FREE ACCESS STUFF TO PURCHASES.
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#202 XboximusPrime
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PSN+ is only going to be worth it only if you buy most of your stuff on PSN. If not, then I really cant see a way to justify this. They arent adding a single thing to make your actual online game experince any better.

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#203 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] ^^lol if I stop paying for gold, I get to keep those games, themes and avatars...ps plus not so much.

What????????????? If you by something on PSN you keep it if you cancel PS+ too. What are you talking about? If you cancel Gold the online portion of your games is gone too. I think your very very very confused and need to take a step back and analyze what your saying.

I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.

But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.
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#204 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] What????????????? If you by something on PSN you keep it if you cancel PS+ too. What are you talking about? If you cancel Gold the online portion of your games is gone too. I think your very very very confused and need to take a step back and analyze what your saying.

I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.

But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

I'm talking about the premium PSN+ things....EVEN SONY SAID THIS AT E3. You guys are saying you get to keep all of the PSN+ stuff, you don't.
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#205 iamshivy
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OH MY GOD REALLY,, !!! to bad i pretty much bought all of that crap and anything else(game type) that i wanted from the psn store... so that would mean psn is per useless to me.

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#206 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] What????????????? If you by something on PSN you keep it if you cancel PS+ too. What are you talking about? If you cancel Gold the online portion of your games is gone too. I think your very very very confused and need to take a step back and analyze what your saying.TehNubTuber
I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.

But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

They aren't going to make sense either cause their deflecting from having to pay to play online. Heck even one guy said up there that they didn't lose online play if they canceled xbLG membership lol.
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#207 tutt3r
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lol this guy is enthusiastic

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#208 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.GreyFoXX4
But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

They aren't going to make sense either cause their deflecting from having to pay to play online. Heck even one guy said up there that they didn't lose online play if they canceled xbLG membership lol.

I believe people were trying to twist his words, when he only meant that XBL purchases remain yours whatever happens, same with anything free MS gives you.
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#209 Floppy_Jim
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They arent adding a single thing to make your actual online game experince any better.

XboximusPrime

Yet anyway. I hope that's what the additional revenue is going towards.

The first month is neat, the amount I've downloaded already covers half the cost of the entire year.

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#210 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.Ravensmash
But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

I'm talking about the premium PSN+ things....EVEN SONY SAID THIS AT E3. You guys are saying you get to keep all of the PSN+ stuff, you don't.

What premium stuff are you talking about? LBP? If so, Sony said that is yours to keep, my friend. Once again if you purchase something, it is yours to keep. Just like normal psn users or xbl users. A purchase is a purchase.
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#211 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I think you need to start being more logical. Those rental games and trials etc. all disappear if you unsubscribe - you get to keep avatars and themes, and discounted DLC. XBL - you don't need a gold account to carry on using your purchases made on the store.

But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

I'm talking about the premium PSN+ things....EVEN SONY SAID THIS AT E3. You guys are saying you get to keep all of the PSN+ stuff, you don't.

Dude theres tons of free content on PSN that nornal PSN can get and keep forever, PSN+ offered additional content, some of which you can keep forever no matter what, other content is only available while your a PSN+ member. That's all there is too it. We all understand this, I'm not sure what you guys are trying to get at...
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#212 88mphSlayer
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so far it's basically like a pay-for Steam service but with fewer features and you don't get to keep the games you download on "discount"

i think inevitably if this thing succeeds it'll be if Sony really sticks to their guns and release a steady supply of great content, they can't expect to go lazy and still expect people to subscribe

also i don't think it'll be as popular as XBL, just because you have to subscribe to XBL to play games online on the 360

there's no such basic need for PS+

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#213 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.GreyFoXX4
I'm talking about the premium PSN+ things....EVEN SONY SAID THIS AT E3. You guys are saying you get to keep all of the PSN+ stuff, you don't.

What premium stuff are you talking about? LBP? If so, Sony said that is yours to keep, my friend. Once again if you purchase something, it is yours to keep. Just like normal psn users or xbl users. A purchase is a purchase.

So, what stuff were Sony on about? When they said yours to keep as long as you subscribe? Because I clearly remember this.
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#214 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

so far it's basically like a pay-for Steam service but with fewer features and you don't get to keep the games you download on "discount"

i think inevitably if this thing succeeds it'll be if Sony really sticks to their guns and release a steady supply of great content, they can't expect to go lazy and still expect people to subscribe

also i don't think it'll be as popular as XBL, just because you have to subscribe to XBL to play games online on the 360

there's no such basic need for PS+

Once again WT HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU BUY SOMETHING IT IS YOURS TO KEEP DISCOUNT OR OTHER WISE. GEEZ. Also can you really call something popular when infact it isnecessary inorder to use something you already paid up front for? I mean cable box fee's aren't really popular are they, or are they since everyone that has cable tv pays a fee on it for their box lol.
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#216 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] I'm talking about the premium PSN+ things....EVEN SONY SAID THIS AT E3. You guys are saying you get to keep all of the PSN+ stuff, you don't.Ravensmash
What premium stuff are you talking about? LBP? If so, Sony said that is yours to keep, my friend. Once again if you purchase something, it is yours to keep. Just like normal psn users or xbl users. A purchase is a purchase.

So, what stuff were Sony on about? When they said yours to keep as long as you subscribe? Because I clearly remember this.

They are talking about the free games such as psn games, minis, psp games, which you get 4 of a month. LBP and the 3 month extra was a introductory kind of gimmick to get people to join, they are yours to keep. Also they have said that there will be other primium content that will be given out that will also be yours to keep.

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#217 Rahnyc4
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this service sucks to me, count me out.

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#218 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] What premium stuff are you talking about? LBP? If so, Sony said that is yours to keep, my friend. Once again if you purchase something, it is yours to keep. Just like normal psn users or xbl users. A purchase is a purchase.GreyFoXX4
So, what stuff were Sony on about? When they said yours to keep as long as you subscribe? Because I clearly remember this.

The are talking about the free games such as psn games, minis, psp games, which you get 4 of a month. LBP and the 3 month extra was a introductory kind of gimmick to get people to join, they are yours to keep. Also they have said that there will be other primium content that will be given out that will also be yours to keep.

But regardless what anyone thinks but we all will have to keep our ps3's or 360's inorder to access anything we have purchased from our stores. And next gen we will have to get a ps4 or a xbox 720 inorder to access stuff we purchased this gen. So infact we all are doing nothing but renting our games or dlc from our stores anyhow. That is why DD, is not the future.
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#219 gago-gago
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I remember they said the same thing about Qore, that it would receive all sorts of cool things. But month after month there weren't anything good and people were left hoping the next month it will have something good. I expect PS+ to be the same.

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#220 GreyFoXX4
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I remember they said the same thing about Qore, that it would receive all sorts of cool things. But month after month there weren't anything good and people were left hoping the next month it will have something good. I expect PS+ to be the same.

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Qore is also part of psn+ :)
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#221 TheMightyHoov
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TC needs to calm down. It is by no means that great yet. No need to act like its the second coming of Christ

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#222 genaroll
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] What premium stuff are you talking about? LBP? If so, Sony said that is yours to keep, my friend. Once again if you purchase something, it is yours to keep. Just like normal psn users or xbl users. A purchase is a purchase.GreyFoXX4

So, what stuff were Sony on about? When they said yours to keep as long as you subscribe? Because I clearly remember this.

They are talking about the free games such as psn games, minis, psp games, which you get 4 of a month. LBP and the 3 month extra was a introductory kind of gimmick to get people to join, they are yours to keep. Also they have said that there will be other primium content that will be given out that will also be yours to keep.

I hope you know lbp is only free in the uk when you buy the subscription,in the u.s you just get 3 months free.
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#223 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

So, what stuff were Sony on about? When they said yours to keep as long as you subscribe? Because I clearly remember this.Ravensmash
They are talking about the free games such as psn games, minis, psp games, which you get 4 of a month. LBP and the 3 month extra was a introductory kind of gimmick to get people to join, they are yours to keep. Also they have said that there will be other primium content that will be given out that will also be yours to keep.

I hope you know lbp is only free in the uk when you buy the subscription,in the u.s you just get 3 months free.

Yes I do thats why I showed both the LBP game and 3months gimmicks. Sucks, was hoping that LBP would have been the U.S. aswell. I've already got it but would have been nice to have it on the hdd, and also my other friends could have gotten it :)
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#224 gago-gago
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So the only "free" content you will be able to keep is LBP for the UK and 3 months extra for US?

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#225 TehNubTuber
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TC needs to calm down. It is by no means that great yet. No need to act like its the second coming of Christ

TheMightyHoov
I disagree in camparison to what I'm getting when I pay for Live this is monumental news.
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#226 TehNubTuber
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So the only "free" content you will be able to keep is LBP for the UK and 3 months extra for US?

gago-gago
There will be more, some DLC, themes and stuff like that you can keep forever. I'm sure they'll give a lot of free stuff out to get people to commit.
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#227 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="gago-gago"]

So the only "free" content you will be able to keep is LBP for the UK and 3 months extra for US?

There will be more, some DLC, themes and stuff like that you can keep forever. I'm sure they'll give a lot of free stuff out to get people to commit.

Heck not only that but normal psn users already get free stuff. These guys really act like they are going to play a psn title forever. I mean if you get it for a year I hope and pray that another great game has come out that would take up my playing time. Not only that but heck we can only go up to 500gb's on our ps3's lol.
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#228 TheMightyHoov
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[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

TC needs to calm down. It is by no means that great yet. No need to act like its the second coming of Christ

TehNubTuber

I disagree in camparison to what I'm getting when I pay for Live this is monumental news.

Not so monumental that you need to freak out like you have

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#229 gago-gago
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[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

So the only "free" content you will be able to keep is LBP for the UK and 3 months extra for US?

TehNubTuber
There will be more, some DLC, themes and stuff like that you can keep forever. I'm sure they'll give a lot of free stuff out to get people to commit.

Nice, I'll wait a few months and see if games like LBP comes in consistently per month. For those who already have this, is there an option to turn off the auto download for demos? I wouldn't want to turn it on and find out I have all these demos, some I might not even want to download, downloaded and taking up my HDD without my permission and I have to install them manually.
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#230 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="gago-gago"]

So the only "free" content you will be able to keep is LBP for the UK and 3 months extra for US?

There will be more, some DLC, themes and stuff like that you can keep forever. I'm sure they'll give a lot of free stuff out to get people to commit.

Nice, I'll wait a few months and see if games like LBP comes in consistently per month. For those who already have this, is there an option to turn off the auto download for demos? I wouldn't want to turn it on and find out I have all these demos, some I might not even want to download, downloaded and taking up my HDD without my permission and I have to install them manually.

If you didn't want them, why would you install them? And I'm sure you can limit what downloads takes place, or whether or not you even want to do that.
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#231 Riverwolf007
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TC needs to calm down. It is by no means that great yet. No need to act like its the second coming of Christ

TheMightyHoov

christ will expect donations so then we will all be "omg! wtfbbq? teh messiah is a ripoff!!!one111!! you don't seebuddah and shiva pulling that crap!!!"

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#232 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

TC needs to calm down. It is by no means that great yet. No need to act like its the second coming of Christ

Riverwolf007

christ will expect donations so then we will all be "omg! wtfbbq? teh messiah is a ripoff!!!one111!! you don't seebuddah and shiva pulling that crap!!!"

Haha :D
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#233 genaroll
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They should really start putting retail games up on psn even if it's only for +.
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#234 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

Think of PSN+ like Netflix. If you stop subscribing you don't get to keep the movies. The difference with PSN+ and Live is at least with PSN+ they are giving you something for your money. LIVE you have to pay just to get online play from the games you already paid for.
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#235 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

Think of PSN+ like Netflix. If you stop subscribing you don't get to keep the movies. The difference with PSN+ and Live is at least with PSN+ they are giving you something for your money. LIVE you have to pay just to get online play from the games you already paid for.

Yup! PSN+ is like a rental service that let's you keep some of the content every now and then. I think it's a tremendou idea, with the money they make here they can make PSN even better for everyone.
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#236 genaroll
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] But you don't need PS+ to keep your PSN purchases either... You guys aren't making any sense.

Think of PSN+ like Netflix. If you stop subscribing you don't get to keep the movies. The difference with PSN+ and Live is at least with PSN+ they are giving you something for your money. LIVE you have to pay just to get online play from the games you already paid for.

Yup! PSN+ is like a rental service that let's you keep some of the content every now and then. I think it's a tremendou idea, with the money they make here they can make PSN even better for everyone.

You don't keep any of the content you just borrow it.
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#237 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] Think of PSN+ like Netflix. If you stop subscribing you don't get to keep the movies. The difference with PSN+ and Live is at least with PSN+ they are giving you something for your money. LIVE you have to pay just to get online play from the games you already paid for.

Yup! PSN+ is like a rental service that let's you keep some of the content every now and then. I think it's a tremendou idea, with the money they make here they can make PSN even better for everyone.

You don't keep any of the content you just borrow it.

Some content is your to keep forever, Sony said so at E3, some DLC, dynamic themes, LBP etc...
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#238 genaroll
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"] Yup! PSN+ is like a rental service that let's you keep some of the content every now and then. I think it's a tremendou idea, with the money they make here they can make PSN even better for everyone.

You don't keep any of the content you just borrow it.

Some content is your to keep forever, Sony said so at E3, some DLC, dynamic themes, LBP etc...

That's not interesting it's the games that matter the most.
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#239 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="genaroll"] You don't keep any of the content you just borrow it.

Some content is your to keep forever, Sony said so at E3, some DLC, dynamic themes, LBP etc...

That's not interesting it's the games that matter the most.

Agreed but what sense would it make to be giving you 4+ games per month plus DLC and other content for 40 bucks a year? :P That would be the biggest deal in gaming history, as is I think it's already pretty damn amazing.
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#240 GreyFoXX4
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] Think of PSN+ like Netflix. If you stop subscribing you don't get to keep the movies. The difference with PSN+ and Live is at least with PSN+ they are giving you something for your money. LIVE you have to pay just to get online play from the games you already paid for.genaroll
Yup! PSN+ is like a rental service that let's you keep some of the content every now and then. I think it's a tremendou idea, with the money they make here they can make PSN even better for everyone.

You don't keep any of the content you just borrow it.

I'm not explaining nothing no more geez. But ps store does have Infamous up there now to download. Aswell as Socom, Warhawk, aswell as Burn Out Paradise. And some others I think.
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#241 KittenWishes
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Cows still defending this glorified rental service?
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#242 TehNubTuber
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Cows still defending this glorified rental service? KittenWishes
I'm guessing your a little jealous that it's optional and for the same price you pay for Live PS3 fans get a crap load of content and games to play for free in camparison with Live :D
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#243 KittenWishes
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[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Cows still defending this glorified rental service? TehNubTuber
I'm guessing your a little jealous that it's optional and for the same price you pay for Live PS3 fans get a crap load of content and games to play for free in camparison with Live :D

Yes, I'm jealous that I don't get to pay $50 a year to rent preselected PSN games and "new" features that Xbox LIVE Silver members have had access to since 2005.
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#244 TheMightyHoov
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[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Cows still defending this glorified rental service? TehNubTuber
I'm guessing your a little jealous that it's optional and for the same price you pay for Live PS3 fans get a crap load of content and games to play for free in camparison with Live :D

Just stop dude. The amount of excitement you show for this is unwarranted.

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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Cows still defending this glorified rental service? TheMightyHoov

I'm guessing your a little jealous that it's optional and for the same price you pay for Live PS3 fans get a crap load of content and games to play for free in camparison with Live :D

Just stop dude. The amount of excitement you show for this is unwarranted.

And probably wholly fake.

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#246 Keiji993
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The first 2 months of PSN+ alone KILLS Xbox live Gold. Crossgame chat and the other features are worthless w/o being able to play online so microsoft is FORCING u to get xbox live gold ontop of paying your monthly internet bill. With PSN+ its optional, and if you do get it your saving HUNDREDS of dollars a year and trying out new types of games u might like.

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#247 yoyo462001
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How is paying $50 a year to get discounts and a few games awesome? Wouldn't it be smarter to use that $50 to buy the DLC and games once and for all.
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#248 standarddamage
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Yes, I'm jealous that I don't get to pay $50 a year to rent preselected PSN games and "new" features that Xbox LIVE Silver members have had access to since 2005.KittenWishes

Not defending NubToober here, but exactly what features in PSN+ have Live Silver members had since 2005? Because, quite frankly, we don't get squat as Silver Members...right down to the fact that Silver membeers have to wait longer for certain game demos. And nothing on Live is even close to free.

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#249 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"][QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Cows still defending this glorified rental service? KittenWishes
I'm guessing your a little jealous that it's optional and for the same price you pay for Live PS3 fans get a crap load of content and games to play for free in camparison with Live :D

Yes, I'm jealous that I don't get to pay $50 a year to rent preselected PSN games and "new" features that Xbox LIVE Silver members have had access to since 2005.

PSN+ isn't on Live nice try :D You guys pay just to access the online portion of the game syou already bought.
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#250 yoyo462001
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The first 2 months of PSN+ alone KILLS Xbox live Gold. Crossgame chat and the other features are worthless w/o being able to play online so microsoft is FORCING u to get xbox live gold ontop of paying your monthly internet bill. With PSN+ its optional, and if you do get it your saving HUNDREDS of dollars a year and trying out new types of games u might like.

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Sony are making you buy a PS3 on top of paying for electricity on top of paying for rent and taxes. It's criminal. What does paying your internet bill have to do with anything?