"Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom" - EGM

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]single handedly my ***. I can't belive you would just discredit goldeneye, perfect dark, turok, timesplitters, and red faction like that.Raidea

No, he's pretty much right.

Look at the FPS landslide we are in at the moment on consoles, then look at the 7 million tag next to Halo 2 sales figures. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I cant show the figures nor do I no where to looked, but someone showed Half-Life 2 being at 13 million , 5 million Purchased on STEAM, 5 from retailes and another 3 million from seperate downloader retailers....

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Im sorry, but halo really has been influential on fps (atleast on the console)... features like the shield system, co-op, vehicular combat, and importance of melee and grenades were pushed heavily by Halo and can be seen in many games available now and coming up....Meu2k7

I agree influental to the consoles, they should explicitly say that though.

Just another "Lets hide the PC behind the curtain so we can getmore money" which is running rampent this generation.

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? jack_russel

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

Many games have borrowed the control scheme wholesale (separate grenade button, B to melee, X to reload, Y to switch weapons, L3 to crouch, R3 to zoom. Many shooters have borrowed the recharging health system. The use of vehicles, especially those driven from a third-person perspective, in FPS games has risen since the introduction of Halo.

The influence isn't exactly hard to find.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Im sorry, but halo really has been influential on fps (atleast on the console)... features like the shield system, co-op, vehicular combat, and importance of melee and grenades were pushed heavily by Halo and can be seen in many games available now and coming up....Meu2k7

I agree influental to the consoles, they should explicitly say that though.

Just another "Lets hide the PC behind the curtain so we can getmore money" which is running rampent this generation.

I agree. Halo can be attributed to be the catalyst to the FPS genre successfully crossing over to consoles. But to FPS's in general? Hardly.

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]

I don't remember Goldeneye having it's own Slurpee cups and Burger King meals. Face it, Halo is one of the most influential IP's ever. On any platform. That doesn't mean it's the best FPS series, just means it's the most influential.

jack_russel

"Influential" means more than just influencing games and game developers. Halo influences the audience and public like no other series before it. Everyone says they hate Halo fanboys and the people who think Halo is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, we wouldn't have those vocal Halo crazies if Halo wasn't very influential. And don't tell me Halo contributed nothing to other games. It's multiplayer system is such that it defined how everything should be done on a console. I don't remember Halo's shield system, or two weapon limitation, in any game before it, and now, the "hide until you regen health" gameplay mechanic is nearly a staple in every single console FPS.

Halo is influential, and probably the biggest FPS IP out there right now, other than Half-Life. Get over it.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? sonicmj1

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

Many games have borrowed the control scheme wholesale (separate grenade button, B to melee, X to reload, Y to switch weapons, L3 to crouch, R3 to zoom. Many shooters have borrowed the recharging health system. The use of vehicles, especially those driven from a third-person perspective, in FPS games has risen since the introduction of Halo.

The influence isn't exactly hard to find.

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Influential. Not original or evolutionary. It took all those aspects of games and refined them and made them great. Just like GeOW taking the killswitch cover system and making it perfect.

jack_russel

well how does that make GeOW influenctial?

What? I didn't say GeOW was influential. I'm talking about how you said Halo stole all ideas and I was trying to tell you that it took them and made it better. And listed GeOW as an example.

halo is influential simply because it was a fun FPS game on the console that sold well and became popular with even casual gamers.

Even non-gamers know what Halo is.

Also, why do you think so many FPS's are always hyped as Halo-killers? Halo is influential. You talk about it almost every day in system wars.

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]single handedly my ***. I can't belive you would just discredit goldeneye, perfect dark, turok, timesplitters, and red faction like that.Meu2k7

No, he's pretty much right.

Look at the FPS landslide we are in at the moment on consoles, then look at the 7 million tag next to Halo 2 sales figures. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I cant show the figures nor do I no where to looked, but someone showed Half-Life 2 being at 13 million , 5 million Purchased on STEAM, 5 from retailes and another 3 million from seperate downloader retailers....

Half Life 2 is a PC game, the PC has had a healthy first person shooter genre for years!

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? jack_russel

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

Many games have borrowed the control scheme wholesale (separate grenade button, B to melee, X to reload, Y to switch weapons, L3 to crouch, R3 to zoom. Many shooters have borrowed the recharging health system. The use of vehicles, especially those driven from a third-person perspective, in FPS games has risen since the introduction of Halo.

The influence isn't exactly hard to find.

Timesplitters and Red Faction had different control schemes. Heck, you couldn't even jump in Timesplitters. They shared the dual-stick aiming, but they aren't the same scheme.

Army Men wasn't a FPS. It was also terrible, and not very influential. Other FPS games had vehicles, but they were generally controlled from a first-person perspective. They also usually had their own levels, as opposed to Halo, where you could hop in and out of a vehicle at any time.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Influential. Not original or evolutionary. It took all those aspects of games and refined them and made them great. Just like GeOW taking the killswitch cover system and making it perfect.

MADVLAD123

well how does that make GeOW influenctial?

What? I didn't say GeOW was influential. I'm talking about how you said Halo stole all ideas and I was trying to tell you that it took them and made it better. And listed GeOW as an example.

halo is influential simply because it was a fun FPS game on the console that sold well and became popular with even casual gamers.

Even non-gamers know what Halo is.

Also, why do you think so many FPS's are always hyped as Halo-killers? Halo is influential. You talk about it almost every day in system wars.

Half Life has sold just as many copies as Halo. On the PC, Half Life is king. I don't see how people can claim halo is the biggest FPS ever, that's not true.

mismajor99

HL 1 sold more copies than either Halo1 or Halo2. Besides the impact HL 1 alone had on FPS is tremendous. And if we include CS along with HL, there is no doubt HL is much more influential than Halo

Quite frankly, I believe that Halo is influential based solely on the fact that it's the most successful console FPS franchise to date. If you had made the assertion that an FPS would be the breadwinner of a video game system that wasn't a PC seven years ago, the world wouldn't take you seriously.

I think the argument of gameplay who-did-what-first is petty compared to the fact that Halo spawned a whole new genre on a whole new medium, for the mass market.

Because, Halo to me, is a very solid game. But it hardly holds up to being an original one.

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Influential. Not original or evolutionary. It took all those aspects of games and refined them and made them great. Just like GeOW taking the killswitch cover system and making it perfect.

jack_russel

well how does that make GeOW influenctial?

What? I didn't say GeOW was influential. I'm talking about how you said Halo stole all ideas and I was trying to tell you that it took them and made it better. And listed GeOW as an example.

halo is influential simply because it was a fun FPS game on the console that sold well and became popular with even casual gamers.

Even non-gamers know what Halo is.

Also, why do you think so many FPS's are always hyped as Halo-killers? Halo is influential. You talk about it almost every day in system wars.

You're just being ignorant and won't listen to reason or any arguements.

Also I've explained in my previous post that I did not call GeOW influential. I was responding to your statement that Halo stole ideas from other shooters. I said Halo refined those elements and made them better. Just like GeOW did to killswitch.

ARGH. I'm not explaining anything anymore. Think what you want. No one can convince people like you.

:roll: egm lemmings will be on their side again after they hear this.jack_russel

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? sonicmj1

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

Many games have borrowed the control scheme wholesale (separate grenade button, B to melee, X to reload, Y to switch weapons, L3 to crouch, R3 to zoom. Many shooters have borrowed the recharging health system. The use of vehicles, especially those driven from a third-person perspective, in FPS games has risen since the introduction of Halo.

The influence isn't exactly hard to find.

Timesplitters and Red Faction had different control schemes. Heck, you couldn't even jump in Timesplitters. They shared the dual-stick aiming, but they aren't the same scheme.

Army Men wasn't a FPS. It was also terrible, and not very influential. Other FPS games had vehicles, but they were generally controlled from a first-person perspective. They also usually had their own levels, as opposed to Halo, where you could hop in and out of a vehicle at any time.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]

Influential. Not original or evolutionary. It took all those aspects of games and refined them and made them great. Just like GeOW taking the killswitch cover system and making it perfect.

MADVLAD123

well how does that make GeOW influenctial?

What? I didn't say GeOW was influential. I'm talking about how you said Halo stole all ideas and I was trying to tell you that it took them and made it better. And listed GeOW as an example.

halo is influential simply because it was a fun FPS game on the console that sold well and became popular with even casual gamers.

Even non-gamers know what Halo is.

Also, why do you think so many FPS's are always hyped as Halo-killers? Halo is influential. You talk about it almost every day in system wars.

You're just being ignorant and won't listen to reason or any arguements.

Also I've explained in my previous post that I did not call GeOW influential. I was responding to your statement that Halo stole ideas from other shooters. I said Halo refined those elements and made them better. Just like GeOW did to killswitch.

ARGH. I'm not explaining anything anymore. Think what you want. No one can convince people like you.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]

Half Life has sold just as many copies as Halo. On the PC, Half Life is king. I don't see how people can claim halo is the biggest FPS ever, that's not true.

naval

HL 1 sold more copies than either Halo1 or Halo2. Besides the impact HL 1 alone had on FPS is tremendous. And if we include CS along with HL, there is no doubt HL is much more influential than Halo

Once again, Halo was hugely influencial for consoles. The PC FPS market has always been big, but the console FPS market never was. No one is denying Half Life was a massive influence on FPS games.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="rykaziel"]

I don't remember Goldeneye having it's own Slurpee cups and Burger King meals. Face it, Halo is one of the most influential IP's ever. On any platform. That doesn't mean it's the best FPS series, just means it's the most influential.

rykaziel

"Influential" means more than just influencing games and game developers. Halo influences the audience and public like no other series before it. Everyone says they hate Halo fanboys and the people who think Halo is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, we wouldn't have those vocal Halo crazies if Halo wasn't very influential. And don't tell me Halo contributed nothing to other games. It's multiplayer system is such that it defined how everything should be done on a console. I don't remember Halo's shield system, or two weapon limitation, in any game before it, and now, the "hide until you regen health" gameplay mechanic is nearly a staple in every single console FPS.

Halo is influential, and probably the biggest FPS IP out there right now, other than Half-Life. Get over it.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? jack_russel

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

Many games have borrowed the control scheme wholesale (separate grenade button, B to melee, X to reload, Y to switch weapons, L3 to crouch, R3 to zoom. Many shooters have borrowed the recharging health system. The use of vehicles, especially those driven from a third-person perspective, in FPS games has risen since the introduction of Halo.

The influence isn't exactly hard to find.

Timesplitters and Red Faction had different control schemes. Heck, you couldn't even jump in Timesplitters. They shared the dual-stick aiming, but they aren't the same scheme.

Army Men wasn't a FPS. It was also terrible, and not very influential. Other FPS games had vehicles, but they were generally controlled from a first-person perspective. They also usually had their own levels, as opposed to Halo, where you could hop in and out of a vehicle at any time.

I never said that Halo was the first FPS game with vehicles. In fact, even in my post, I mention that there have been other FPS games with vehicles. They handled them differently than Halo does. Now, many more games use Halo's approach.

There are games whose control schemes are nearly identical to Halo's. Take a look at Area 51 or Brute Force for a few examples. A number of games have copied it exactly, because they know that people are familiar with it.

lawl it's so easy to stir up controversy here XDwok7

I reckon its your avatar, I've never seen something more annoying. :P

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? sonicmj1

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

Many games have borrowed the control scheme wholesale (separate grenade button, B to melee, X to reload, Y to switch weapons, L3 to crouch, R3 to zoom. Many shooters have borrowed the recharging health system. The use of vehicles, especially those driven from a third-person perspective, in FPS games has risen since the introduction of Halo.

The influence isn't exactly hard to find.

Timesplitters and Red Faction had different control schemes. Heck, you couldn't even jump in Timesplitters. They shared the dual-stick aiming, but they aren't the same scheme.

Army Men wasn't a FPS. It was also terrible, and not very influential. Other FPS games had vehicles, but they were generally controlled from a first-person perspective. They also usually had their own levels, as opposed to Halo, where you could hop in and out of a vehicle at any time.

I never said that Halo was the first FPS game with vehicles. In fact, even in my post, I mention that there have been other FPS games with vehicles. They handled them differently than Halo does. Now, many more games use Halo's approach.

There are games whose control schemes are nearly identical to Halo's. Take a look at Area 51 or Brute Force for a few examples. A number of games have copied it exactly, because they know that people are familiar with it.

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]

Half Life has sold just as many copies as Halo. On the PC, Half Life is king. I don't see how people can claim halo is the biggest FPS ever, that's not true.

Raidea

HL 1 sold more copies than either Halo1 or Halo2. Besides the impact HL 1 alone had on FPS is tremendous. And if we include CS along with HL, there is no doubt HL is much more influential than Halo

Once again, Halo was hugely influencial for consoles. The PC FPS market has always been big, but the console FPS market never was. No one is denying Half Life was a massive influence on FPS games.

I was not denying that halo is not influential. In fact after HL1, I consider it to be the most influential FPS, as it introduced FPS to so many console gamers. I was just pointing out my opinion that HL1 is more influential than Halo

halo's regnerating health gauge was in nearly every single console FPS?????? like which one???? jack_russel

Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Medal of Honour, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Resistance: Fall of Man.

In fact, Resistance is a prime candidate for the Halo influence. Look at the vehicles, the button placement, the grenades, the regenerating health. See a pattern?

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]halo's regnerating health gauge was in nearly every single console FPS?????? like which one???? Raidea

Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Medal of Honour, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Resistance: Fall of Man.

In fact, Resistance is a prime candidate for the Halo influence. Look at the vehicles, the button placement, the grenades, the regenerating health. See a pattern?

Regenerating health is just noobifying intensity from FPS games, I'm quite frankly getting sick of it being there, especially in Multiplayer.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]how can it be the most influential when many of it's ideas were copied from other games and most of it's original ideas have never been copied? tango90101

Haha, rubbish.

So many of Halos features have been copied into other console FPSs. You look at any modern console FPS and you can immediately see Halo influences. Halo may have taken ideas from other games, but they perfected the crude ideas they took.

No matter how much you hate the series, its influence to shooters is damn obvious to see.

the health system for starters.. no medipacks..;)

grenade jumps? fun stuff....

c'mon..i'm sure you can think of a few....

Quake 1 had grenade and rocket jumping.

I don't like that Halo 2 had no medipacks. It made the game way too easy.

QUIT bringing up GARBAGE games like Timespliter or Red faction, DO you see those games selling 2.4 million in 24 hours? NO!!! did those games have 1 million preorders?!! NO!!!! EGM said it the most influential, halo brought the console fps to the mainstream by perfecting every aspect of the genre

and you keep bringing in the same argument over and over while people explain to you, whats the point of arguing with ignorant people like you, FACE IT, whether you like it or not, halo is the most influential FPS on consoles.

and you want killzone to get a 9? HAVE YOU PLAYED THE FIRST ONE?!! you shouldnt be complaing about halo when you have thatpathetic excuse of a shooter called killzone in your sig.....sad

They are absolutely right if you want to ignore Quake, Unreal, Half-LIfe, Counter Strike, and Rainbow Six.

QUIT bringing up GARBAGE games like Timespliter or Red faction, DO you see those games selling 2.4 million in 24 hours? NO!!! did those games have 1 million preorders?!! NO!!!! EGM said it the most influential, halo brought the console fps to the mainstream by perfecting every aspect of the genre

and you keep bringing in the same argument over and over while people explain to you, whats the point of arguing with ignorant people like you, FACE IT, whether you like it or not, halo is the most influential FPS on consoles.

Tom_Brady860

I think this thread just went to hell because people have different definitions of the word 'influential'.

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]halo's regnerating health gauge was in nearly every single console FPS?????? like which one???? Meu2k7

Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, Medal of Honour, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Resistance: Fall of Man.

In fact, Resistance is a prime candidate for the Halo influence. Look at the vehicles, the button placement, the grenades, the regenerating health. See a pattern?

Regenerating health is just noobifying intensity from FPS games, I'm quite frankly getting sick of it being there, especially in Multiplayer.

Yes yes, we all know console games are much more inferior to PC games. How exactly is it 'noobifying' it? You PC gamers don't understand the concept of change? It's a change in the gameplay mechanics meaning gamers don't have to be bored to death searching for health packs or roast dinners. It keeps the gameplay intense.

I'm quite frankly sick of PC elitism to be perfectly honest. I've probably been a PC gamer for a long as you have and I know the merits of both consoles and PCs.

QUIT bringing up GARBAGE games like Timespliter or Red faction, DO you see those games selling 2.4 million in 24 hours? NO!!! did those games have 1 million preorders?!! NO!!!! EGM said it the most influential, halo brought the console fps to the mainstream by perfecting every aspect of the genre

and you keep bringing in the same argument over and over while people explain to you, whats the point of arguing with ignorant people like you, FACE IT, whether you like it or not, halo is the most influential FPS on consoles.

Tom_Brady860

halo's regnerating health gauge was in nearly every single console FPS?????? like which one???? jack_russel

Gears, COD2, COD3, Red Steel, Medal of Honor: Airborne, Crysis, Killzone 2, Rainbow Six Vegas, GRAW, honestly I can go on. They all use regenerative health systems. Those are big, high profile titles, all utilizing a game mechanic found in Halo 6 years ago.

Halo and the Xbox paved the way for Console FPS.

In popularity, yes. In quality, no.

Halo is a great console shooter, and the best there is right now. But the best shooter out there is Half-Life 2. This is all in my opinion of course.

Aren't you the same guy that thought PC's couldn't do HD?trix5817

lol i was just gonna post that, anyways egm has a point

Aren't you the same guy that thought PC's couldn't do HD?trix5817

Holy hell. I think you're right.

QUIT bringing up GARBAGE games like Timespliter or Red faction, DO you see those games selling 2.4 million in 24 hours? NO!!! did those games have 1 million preorders?!! NO!!!! EGM said it the most influential, halo brought the console fps to the mainstream by perfecting every aspect of the genre

and you keep bringing in the same argument over and over while people explain to you, whats the point of arguing with ignorant people like you, FACE IT, whether you like it or not, halo is the most influential FPS on consoles.

and you want killzone to get a 9? HAVE YOU PLAYED THE FIRST ONE?!! you shouldnt be complaing about halo when you have thatpathetic excuse of a shooter called killzone in your sig.....sad

Tom_Brady860

You just lsot all credibility for saying Timeplsitters was garbage.... :P