"Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom" - EGM

So halo was more influential than HL - a game that revolutionised the genre, because it had good console controls.

Without HL, Halo would be a different game...

And notice the loose term 'halo killer' is only used with console FPS. I dont remember reading HL2 was the 'teh hazo killaz' maybe your mistaking it with Killzone..

skrat_01

I don't want to sound like I'm hating on Half Life, but apart from scripted cinematic events, what did Half Life do that influenced Halo?

There were many instances I can take directly from Marathon, without resorting to Half Life.

I dont get it.

Halo isnt the most influential shooter. Its FAR from inluential. Marathon is more influential

And it isnt the best FPS either. Right now the best is HL2 most defitnaly.

This year it'll change IMO.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

So halo was more influential than HL - a game that revolutionised the genre, because it had good console controls.

Without HL, Halo would be a different game...

And notice the loose term 'halo killer' is only used with console FPS. I dont remember reading HL2 was the 'teh hazo killaz' maybe your mistaking it with Killzone..

FrozenLiquid

I don't want to sound like I'm hating on Half Life, but apart from scripted cinematic events, what did Half Life do that influenced Halo?

There were many instances I can take directly from Marathon, without resorting to Half Life.

Halo could have remained as an RTS.

As for Half Life, every FPS since it takes a leaf from it - its dramatic scripted sequences, proper, set pieces a.i, no 'simpleton' combat ala Quake games. ect. ect.

Yes Halo takes quite a few leafs from HLs book. Still its a very good game no doubt.

edit* Oh yes HLs story telling is one of the most influential aswell. Marathons story was quite good, but knowhere as well told as half lifes.

Man I feel sorry for all u halo fans. I am serious, the game is alot of fun, but those who praise it like its the best game ever, has obviously not played many good games in there life. I am serious, u guys all throw your gaming time just for this one overrated game, and are missing out on so many other great games out there. This is why I was more into playstation games then xbox games because, what ive learned on xbox live is alot of ppl like to stick to one game if it is good, for a very long time, and there could be better games out there, but they are so caught up in this one games hype that they forget there is better games out there.

For example, I was playing online with a couple of friends on xbox live, and when RE4 came out I told them I was going to go play RE4 and they were like saying things like, dude that game is gonna suck. I played it already, it aint that good, or just said well have fun wasting money on it, and I bought it and the game was so addicting that I beat it 5 times and loved the game so much that I forgot about xbox live for a couple of months that when I came back everyone thought Ididnt have my account no more but the truth is I was playing a better game then any game they were playing at the time. All im saying is u guys need to go out and play different games other then halo, or u will never understand just what a real amazing game iz all about.

I dont get it.

Halo isnt the most influential shooter. Its FAR from inluential. Marathon is more influential

And it isnt the best FPS either. Right now the best is HL2 most defitnaly.

skrat_01

Yup, people forget that CS alone is lot more influentail than halo series

Halo is also influential, in the sense that it showed FPS can be hugely popular on consoles, spawning so many FPS on console.

Man I feel sorry for all u halo fans. I am serious, the game is alot of fun, but those who praise it like its the best game ever, has obviously not played many good games in there life. I am serious, u guys all throw your gaming time just for this one overrated game, and are missing out on so many other great games out there. This is why I was more into playstation games then xbox games because, what ive learned on xbox live is alot of ppl like to stick to one game if it is good, for a very long time, and there could be better games out there, but they are so caught up in this one games hype that they forget there is better games out there.

For example, I was playing online with a couple of friends on xbox live, and when RE4 came out I told them I was going to go play RE4 and they were like saying things like, dude that game is gonna suck. I played it already, it aint that good, or just said well have fun wasting money on it, and I bought it and the game was so addicting that I beat it 5 times and loved the game so much that I forgot about xbox live for a couple of months that when I came back everyone thought Ididnt have my account no more but the truth is I was playing a better game then any game they were playing at the time. All im saying is u guys need to go out and play different games other then halo, or u will never understand just what a real amazing game iz all about.

squallff8_fan

Learn what an opinion is. Halo is one of my favorite games of all time, I've played many other games, but I still like Halo very much. Just because someone has a different opinion than yours, doesn't mean they're wrong.

I whole-heartedly agree with this statement. Fanboys, remember that influential does not mean best or most innovative.

Lets take a look at what it did that influenced other shooters in the future:

1. Control scheme. Pretty much flawless, the entire button layout was done perfectly, clicking the analog sticks to crouch/zoom-in was brilliant, and using grenades seamlessly with a weapon already equipped was an awesome change to the genre.

2. The rechargable shield system was very influential. Plenty of games have picked up on this feature.

3. Vehicles that encouraged teamwork (Warthog) and maintained the games balance at the same time.

4. Co-op was a huge feature in the game and lots of future FPS's followed upon it.

5. FPS's can have good storylines! (aside from Half-Life, I don't recall that many great storylines in FPS's).

Now, I'm sure fanboys want to pick apart my post and name all the games that have these features and how they aren't revolutionary or innovative. But I can gurantee you that those games did not have all these featurs (and many more) all in one game and pulled it off so nicely.

Man I feel sorry for all u halo fans. I am serious, the game is alot of fun, but those who praise it like its the best game ever, has obviously not played many good games in there life. I am serious, u guys all throw your gaming time just for this one overrated game, and are missing out on so many other great games out there. This is why I was more into playstation games then xbox games because, what ive learned on xbox live is alot of ppl like to stick to one game if it is good, for a very long time, and there could be better games out there, but they are so caught up in this one games hype that they forget there is better games out there.

For example, I was playing online with a couple of friends on xbox live, and when RE4 came out I told them I was going to go play RE4 and they were like saying things like, dude that game is gonna suck. I played it already, it aint that good, or just said well have fun wasting money on it, and I bought it and the game was so addicting that I beat it 5 times and loved the game so much that I forgot about xbox live for a couple of months that when I came back everyone thought Ididnt have my account no more but the truth is I was playing a better game then any game they were playing at the time. All im saying is u guys need to go out and play different games other then halo, or u will never understand just what a real amazing game iz all about.

squallff8_fan

100% agree. Excellent post...it's sad that true gamers have become almost non-existant nowadays. Hell, most people see good graphics and they say, "best game ever." Pathetic...

I whole-heartedly agree with this statement. Fanboys, remember that influential does not mean best or most innovative.

Yes but Halo is far from the best. As is Halo 2. Half Life 2 is currently the best...

Lets take a look at what it did that influenced other shooters in the future:

1. Control scheme. Pretty much flawless, the entire button layout was done perfectly, clicking the analog sticks to crouch/zoom-in was brilliant, and using grenades seamlessly with a weapon already equipped was an awesome change to the genre.

It was hardly perfect or flawless. I mean you cant aim when you go to melee.. Not cool.

2. The rechargable shield system was very influential. Plenty of games have picked up on this feature.

Yes that is the only very influential element - for better or worse. Sure It makes sense in Halo - but R6 and BiA - no.

3. Vehicles that encouraged teamwork (Warthog) and maintained the games balance at the same time.

HA! Tribes 2 and 1 and Operation Flashpoint say NO! Tanks in flashpoint take LOADS of teamword. 3 players for one tank.

4. Co-op was a huge feature in the game and lots of future FPS's followed upon it.

Done before. Seriously, many times (well at least I know so for PC FPS)

5. FPS's can have good storylines! (aside from Half-Life, I don't recall that many great storylines in FPS's).

System shock, Marathon, Half Life - the list goes on.

Now, I'm sure fanboys want to pick apart my post and name all the games that have these features and how they aren't revolutionary or innovative. But I can gurantee you that those games did not have all these featurs (and many more) all in one game and pulled it off so nicely.

LoL. Halo isnt revolutionary far from it. It was a well polished FPS. Thats it. For console gamers it is a bit of a blessing though - their best FPS since PD

Mercenary343

100% agree. Excellent post...it's sad that true gamers have become almost non-existant nowadays. Hell, most people see good graphics and they say, "best game ever." Pathetic...

Derek240

No offense dude, but most of the so called "true gamers" that I've met are just a bunch of socially awkward elitest snobs who take their hobby of choice way too seriously. If I had a choice between playing one of them or playing someone who was just there to have a bit of fun, I'd take the later.

I doubt it, more like other fps are influencing it. Halo 1 didn't even have dual weilding. Halo may be the most popular fps, but most fps have stayed true to their roots are completly original unlike halo.

fear
Riddick
Farcry
cod
Moh
UT
HL
TS
RF

Adrian_Cloud

weren't most of those games made AFTER halo?

how can those games influence a game that was released before them...? :S

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

So halo was more influential than HL - a game that revolutionised the genre, because it had good console controls.

Without HL, Halo would be a different game...

And notice the loose term 'halo killer' is only used with console FPS. I dont remember reading HL2 was the 'teh hazo killaz' maybe your mistaking it with Killzone..

skrat_01

I don't want to sound like I'm hating on Half Life, but apart from scripted cinematic events, what did Half Life do that influenced Halo?

There were many instances I can take directly from Marathon, without resorting to Half Life.

Halo could have remained as an RTS.

As for Half Life, every FPS since it takes a leaf from it - its dramatic scripted sequences, proper, set pieces a.i, no 'simpleton' combat ala Quake games. ect. ect.

Yes Halo takes quite a few leafs from HLs book. Still its a very good game no doubt.

edit* Oh yes HLs story telling is one of the most influential aswell. Marathons story was quite good, but knowhere as well told as half lifes.

Just on that last bit:

Marathon was told in such a way, of course due to technical restraints. However, it was told like that because it cenered around A.Is, not cinematic set pieces. It wasn't the old "Log of text before a mission" type story telling. It was implemented well.

System Shock 2 had the same sort of storytelling with the audio logs. If I'm not mistaken Bioshock has it too. I think that way of storytelling works very well.

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Christianity is derivative of pretty much every major religion ever, Star Wars takes much of it's material from old Samurai films, and Lord of the Rings blends all kinds of old poems, legends, and myths together for one very fine product.

Calling Halo influential is one thing, calling it the most influential shooter since Doom is something else entirely.

FrozenLiquid

Wow, the ignorance is strong in this one. Not only was that irrelevant, some of it was just utterly wrong.

Christianity only assimilated certain other religious festivals and incorporated it into their own. Their beliefs are their own however. Star Wars was inspired by Greek Mythology (Samurai films lol) and Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings was heavily inspired by norse mythology, and the concept of Good and Evil present in the Bible itself. Another example: Michael Jackson was influenced by Fred Astaire, James Brown, Stevie Wonder and a few others. Yet he's considered one of the most influential people in the music industry. Did it matter that he was inspired by those before him? Of course not.

Itt is irrelevant. They are (or were) all influential, and they are rather popular.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you just called me ignorant while making a bad Star Wars pun and then said Christianity is completely original outside of assimilating pagan holidays into its own mythos. I'll clairify.

Doom is practically the single template from which all other shooters have been wrought. Half-Life introduced an atmosphere and way of telling a story through gaming that's downright cinematic, and has repeated itself in almost every modern shooter since.

Halo gave us health regen and a grenade button.

How stupid would it sound if someone said that Scientology is the most influential religion since that of the ancient Greeks?

Tell me you know what I'm saying here. I don't want to be flamed for comparing Halo to Scientology and Disco in the same topic. :lol:

Microsoft to EGM: Well...Halo 3 is coming out and we need to build up some more hype and give all the fanboys on all the forums something controversial to argue about...

EGM to Microsoft: Thats fine...as long as the check doesn't bounce.

Microsoft to EGM: In your next issue we want you to say something to the order of Halo is the best FPS of all time hands down...

EGM to Microsoft: But that is a lie...oh well we like money...consider it done.

EGM to EGM Halo Fanboys: Alright guys you finally get to tell our readers what you think about Halo.

EGM Halo Fanboys to EGM editor: "Halo is better than all other shooters in history."

EGM editor to EGM Halo Fanboys: Um...how about we work on this a little...how about "Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom"

EGM Halo Fanboys to EGM editor: Its so totally true too, but we liked ours better cause Halo really is the bestest shooter of all the timezorz.

EGM editor to EGM Halo fanboys: Now go sit back in your corner

EGM to Gamer Community: "Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom"

Halo fanboys to themselves: Whooo hoooo we always knew this game was teh bestest FPS in history and now that EGM has said so it must be true because after all they are professional video game critics and they would know. Lemme login to my GS account and post this awesome news so I can pwnzorz the Halo haters and hermits out there who think they are so cool.

Yeah so anyways. This is pretty low of EGM to do. Halo IMHO does NOT deserve to be mentioned with the big boys of the FPS genre. Halo: CE was good, but Halo 2 was absolutely dismal compared to the FPS's that came out around the same time. Halo 3 has yet to be seen, but after Halo 2 how can ANYONE take EGM seriously for saying "Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom". That is just absolutely crazy. What they SHOULD have said was "Halo is the most influential console shooter and has brought the FPS genre to the mainstream". I could agree with that one, but by saying what they have said it just wrong. Halo is NOT the most influential shooter since Doom. I am sorry no way in hell. If anything the most influential shooter would be the Half-Life series.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Christianity is derivative of pretty much every major religion ever, Star Wars takes much of it's material from old Samurai films, and Lord of the Rings blends all kinds of old poems, legends, and myths together for one very fine product.

Calling Halo influential is one thing, calling it the most influential shooter since Doom is something else entirely.

t3hTwinky

Wow, the ignorance is strong in this one. Not only was that irrelevant, some of it was just utterly wrong.

Christianity only assimilated certain other religious festivals and incorporated it into their own. Their beliefs are their own however. Star Wars was inspired by Greek Mythology (Samurai films lol) and Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings was heavily inspired by norse mythology, and the concept of Good and Evil present in the Bible itself. Another example: Michael Jackson was influenced by Fred Astaire, James Brown, Stevie Wonder and a few others. Yet he's considered one of the most influential people in the music industry. Did it matter that he was inspired by those before him? Of course not.

Itt is irrelevant. They are (or were) all influential, and they are rather popular.

I'm going to ignore the fact that you just called me ignorant while making a bad Star Wars pun and then said Christianity is completely original outside of assimilating pagan holidays into its own mythos. I'll clairify.

Doom is practically the single template from which all other shooters have been wrought. Half-Life introduced an atmosphere and way of telling a story through gaming that's downright cinematic, and has repeated itself in almost every modern shooter since.

Halo gave us health regen and a grenade button.

How stupid would it sound if someone said that Scientology is the most influential religion since that of the ancient Greeks?

Tell me you know what I'm saying here. I don't want to be flamed for comparing Halo to Scientology and Disco in the same topic. :lol:

What was the bad Star Wars pun? I see no pun worthy of Shakespeare. I'm ignorant in this way, so please, enlighten me.

And don't start talking to me about religions mate. I've done more than just read online intarwebz articles on religion (which a lot of it is fluff. I can see why a lot of internet forum users are athiests) unlike most of you people have and think you're utter sages on the topic. In any case most of you guys focus on one thing: controversy. But that's another matter I'd like to keep to the religion boards.

Right, so Half Life is Ghost in the Shell. Innovative in its own right, inspiring, but the influential? Sure, the Matrix was influenced by GitS, in imagery and concept. The Matrix just bought in bullet time. But does that mean The Transporter, Equilibrium, Underworld -- all those Matrix esque clones are inspired by GitS?

Innovation is not influence. It's can affect, yes, but certainly doesn't mean it's necessarily true.

If that was the case, indie films would be influencing Hollywood productions left and right. Not true.

Microsoft to EGM: Well...Halo 3 is coming out and we need to build up some more hype and give all the fanboys on all the forums something controversial to argue about...

EGM to Microsoft: Thats fine...as long as the check doesn't bounce.

Microsoft to EGM: In your next issue we want you to say something to the order of Halo is the best FPS of all time hands down...

EGM to Microsoft: But that is a lie...oh well we like money...consider it done.

EGM to EGM Halo Fanboys: Alright guys you finally get to tell our readers what you think about Halo.

EGM Halo Fanboys to EGM editor: "Halo is better than all other shooters in history."

EGM editor to EGM Halo Fanboys: Um...how about we work on this a little...how about "Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom"

EGM Halo Fanboys to EGM editor: Its so totally true too, but we liked ours better cause Halo really is the bestest shooter of all the timezorz.

EGM editor to EGM Halo fanboys: Now go sit back in your corner

EGM to Gamer Community: "Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom"

Halo fanboys to themselves: Whooo hoooo we always knew this game was teh bestest FPS in history and now that EGM has said so it must be true because after all they are professional video game critics and they would know. Lemme login to my GS account and post this awesome news so I can pwnzorz the Halo haters and hermits out there who think they are so cool.

Yeah so anyways. This is pretty low of EGM to do. Halo IMHO does NOT deserve to be mentioned with the big boys of the FPS genre. Halo: CE was good, but Halo 2 was absolutely dismal compared to the FPS's that came out around the same time. Halo 3 has yet to be seen, but after Halo 2 how can ANYONE take EGM seriously for saying "Halo is the most influential shooter series since Doom". That is just absolutely crazy. What they SHOULD have said was "Halo is the most influential console shooter and has brought the FPS genre to the mainstream". I could agree with that one, but by saying what they have said it just wrong. Halo is NOT the most influential shooter since Doom. I am sorry no way in hell. If anything the most influential shooter would be the Half-Life series.

MadExponent

Abysmal or not, it still was influential.

Yes that regen system was a small stride (and some hate it), but Call of Duty 2 used it, I'm sure CoD 4 will use it, and F.E.A.R 2 will use it.

I hope halo 2 will be getting some more influential. Other console fps (and maybe pc fps too) should start copying the party & matchmaking system right away. It just makes the online 2x as fun. I'm especially looking at you RB6 and gears of war!11Marcel

I have to agree, Halo 2's party and matchmaking systems are simply brilliant. Every multiplayer shooter out there should be blatantly ripping it off IMO.

Abysmal or not, it still was influential.

Yes that regen system was a small stride (and some hate it), but Call of Duty 2 used it, I'm sure CoD 4 will use it, and F.E.A.R 2 will use it.

FrozenLiquid

I'm not saying it wasn't influential. But it CERTAINLY IS NOT the MOST INFLUENTIAL FPS SINCE DOOM. Come on man. Anyone who believes that is just a blind fanboy. Period.

Agreed Exponent.

Anyways I got to go skrat. Tell me your reasons later. Time to PARRTTAYYY!!!!! lol I'll tell Claire you said hi. Remember her? She seems to remember you, I don't know for what reason though *cough*Aussie*cough*

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

So halo was more influential than HL - a game that revolutionised the genre, because it had good console controls.

Without HL, Halo would be a different game...

And notice the loose term 'halo killer' is only used with console FPS. I dont remember reading HL2 was the 'teh hazo killaz' maybe your mistaking it with Killzone..

FrozenLiquid

I don't want to sound like I'm hating on Half Life, but apart from scripted cinematic events, what did Half Life do that influenced Halo?

There were many instances I can take directly from Marathon, without resorting to Half Life.

Halo could have remained as an RTS.

As for Half Life, every FPS since it takes a leaf from it - its dramatic scripted sequences, proper, set pieces a.i, no 'simpleton' combat ala Quake games. ect. ect.

Yes Halo takes quite a few leafs from HLs book. Still its a very good game no doubt.

edit* Oh yes HLs story telling is one of the most influential aswell. Marathons story was quite good, but knowhere as well told as half lifes.

Just on that last bit:

Marathon was told in such a way, of course due to technical restraints. However, it was told like that because it cenered around A.Is, not cinematic set pieces. It wasn't the old "Log of text before a mission" type story telling. It was implemented well.

System Shock 2 had the same sort of storytelling with the audio logs. If I'm not mistaken Bioshock has it too. I think that way of storytelling works very well.

And yes it was implemented well!

Agreed Exponent.

Anyways I got to go skrat. Tell me your reasons later. Time to PARRTTAYYY!!!!! lol I'll tell Claire you said hi. Remember her? She seems to remember you, I don't know for what reason though *cough*Aussie*cough*

FrozenLiquid

haha yea I remember Claire, let her know, 'G-day' from the 'good people of Australia!' (put on a aussie bogan accent style)

skrat why do you like Half Life 2 better than Half Life 1?FrozenLiquid

However personally I do rather HL1 over HL2 - I simply acknowlege HL2 is currently the better game :P

Then again Black Mesa source could be better than HL2 lol :P

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]skrat why do you like Half Life 2 better than Half Life 1?skrat_01

However personally I do rather HL1 over HL2 - I simply acknowlege HL2 is currently the better game :P

Then again Black Mesa source could be better than HL2 lol :P

I can't wait for Black Mesa source to come out.

I blame the lack of any high profile PC games since HL2/WoWwok7

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]It's true. It is influential. I mean look how it popularized console FPS's and how it revolutionized Console multiplayer. Plus it brought lots of new gamers into the console world. tango90101

exactly.

the design of the xbox's controller was instrumental in the gameplay, yet EGM will ignore this factoid....

halo singlehandidly brought the love of FPS to consoles...

wow i remember a game called red faction for ps2 way before halo and i had loads more fun with that game

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]It's true. It is influential. I mean look how it popularized console FPS's and how it revolutionized Console multiplayer. Plus it brought lots of new gamers into the console world. jack_russel

I'm a massive Goldeneye fan and it was a truelly influential game and a classic like Halo.

It brought:

- A great and fun Single Player

-Tight controls

- Awesome multiplayer

- Classic Health/shield bar into shooters that worked well.

- Made FPS popular and workable on console platforms.

- Made FPS (hardcore genre early on) into a genre enjoyed by the casuals.

- Helped make computer games cool again.

HALO CE is the most influential shooter quite possibly. Doom did a lot, Wolfenstein created the style, Quake then Unreal pushed online, Half Life added immersion and set pieces, Deus Ex incorporated RPG elements and MP added a adventure style. But HALO CE was a very special game back in its time and now carrys on with influencing games and the media among press attention and pushing the genre.

Halo gets a lot of bad press and most of it is pretty unfair usually by somebody who prefers 1 shooter to Halo CE or another. But theirs no denying Halo CE at the time of launch was a special game that only a few games can compete with aka your Mario's, Zelda's and FF's.

And its influence is not only on games development, but the media/medium, online capabilites among others.

Its gonna get bashed in here without me reading 90% of the votes. And its ridiculous really maybe when Halo finally ends people will look back in 20 years andlike with GEye and say what a great game it was.

Yes its true that on an entire FPS basis Halo is not the most influencal, it is impossible to claim something the absolute, however for consoles it is. Influence has alot to do with sales, the more people buy it the more developers pay attention to it. It is a common fact that developers rarely push originallity, the more popular gamed usually take ideas from other games before it adn improve. The retail success of Halo made developers flood consoles with FPS, Halo ignited console FPS almost singlehandidly. Halo even managed to take on Half life and in someways beat it when it comes to influence. Sure half life sold more than Halo but that doesnt mean Half life is more popular. The xbox was a joke compared to PS2 if the xbox and PS2 were reversed and it had a 100 million userbase its sales would most likely top that of Half life. Why because it achieved mainstream success. Go ask any random guy that likes gaming and chances are he would know what Halo is, Half life, although succesfull lacks the popularity of Halo. This popularity influences millions of consumers and future consumers. Restricting influence to only games is faulty. Although somewhat opinion it is fair to say that EGMs claims are correct somewhat depending on the specific influence you are refering to. Take what you want from my post it doesnt matter the PC elites will always see any FPS on consles as inferior, or any genre that is, it will truelly be a rare day when Hermits finally admits consoles as a PC equal in the gaming space.Igwababa

Well you see that is just it. There is not a single console FPS yet that is better than major PC FPS. That is why EGM saying what they said is so unbelievable to people that have played Halo and have also played PC FPS. It is almost blasphemous.

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]It's true. It is influential. I mean look how it popularized console FPS's and how it revolutionized Console multiplayer. Plus it brought lots of new gamers into the console world. blues3531

exactly.

the design of the xbox's controller was instrumental in the gameplay, yet EGM will ignore this factoid....

halo singlehandidly brought the love of FPS to consoles...

wow i remember a game called red faction for ps2 way before halo and i had loads more fun with that game

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]It's true. It is influential. I mean look how it popularized console FPS's and how it revolutionized Console multiplayer. Plus it brought lots of new gamers into the console world. blues3531

exactly.

the design of the xbox's controller was instrumental in the gameplay, yet EGM will ignore this factoid....

halo singlehandidly brought the love of FPS to consoles...

wow i remember a game called red faction for ps2 way before halo and i had loads more fun with that game

Red Faction was a fun game. It never got a lot of attention but it had some great areas. I enjoyed it a lot on my Ps2. As much as Halo CE near its release, no way. RF was a good game. halo CE was a classic game and for me on release of Halo CE, I was a hardcore PC gamer and I couldnt believe how tight Halo CE was for a console shooter on a pad. It was the best FPs I had played on console/FPS for a long time only MoH that year compared to Halo CE on PC. Due to its massive online multiplayer but not much else on PC bettered the console FPS HALO CE. And that very rarely happens. Probably not since GE or maybe PD.

[QUOTE="blues3531"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"]It's true. It is influential. I mean look how it popularized console FPS's and how it revolutionized Console multiplayer. Plus it brought lots of new gamers into the console world. rdo

exactly.

the design of the xbox's controller was instrumental in the gameplay, yet EGM will ignore this factoid....

halo singlehandidly brought the love of FPS to consoles...

wow i remember a game called red faction for ps2 way before halo and i had loads more fun with that game

Halo and Red Faction had HIGHLY scripted AI. In Halo they just also had a randomized code that made it less predictable.

Definitely overhyped too, with Halo on Pepsi, Doritos, and Burger King.....gawd.

I swear Halo 2 sold well not because of Halo 1, but overflowing of advertisment which make casuals go "hmm that game is on everywhere and everything, so it must be good!" Same goes for Halo 3.

But I will give credit for Halo for being the first FPS to use melee and throw gernade on the fly.

Weather you like it or not, when Halo released on the Xbox's debute, it was unparralleled. It brought Multiplayer options and configurations to a new standard. I mean, have you ever went through the game in Co-op? It doesn't get much more fun than that. I agree Halo has recycled itself over and over now, but truthfully, they came out with one top of the line game at the first.

The first revolutionizer, Doom

The Second, Quake

The Third, Goldeneye

The Fourth, Halo

Each is a substantial build on the last. Even Unreal 2004 took a few pages from Halo afterwards. It doesn't matter if Halo doesn't seem that great now, the fact is when it released, nothing came close.

Besides...if the Halo series is so good then why are Halo fanboys so "threatened" by PC shooters like Crysis?MadExponent

You are obviously a new PC gamer coz your comments seem to show a lack of age. I'm surprised you know sao much about Doom and the like.

Influence means influencing other games right??

So bar maybe Half Life and obviously age old games like Doom, GE and Wolfenstein what other FPS has influenced as much or more than Halo.

Unreal, Quake, Deus Ex, PD, Ghost Recon, Flashpoint, Timesplitters, Far Cry, MoH, CoD blah blah among many other have influenced games for better or worse. But non have the influence that Halo CE has had on bunch loads of FPS and again for better or worse. Halo has had a very BIG influence on FPS and easily the biggest console since GE and up with HL, Doom on PC's which is amazing seens its a known as a console FPS andf to have that influence on a genre massively populated ona PC is remarkable.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]Besides...if the Halo series is so good then why are Halo fanboys so "threatened" by PC shooters like Crysis?mightyboosh13

You are obviously a new PC gamer coz your comments seem to show a lack of age. I'm surprised you know sao much about Doom and the like.

Influence means influencing other games right??

So bar maybe Half Life and obviously age old games like Doom, GE and Wolfenstein what other FPS has influenced as much or more than Halo.

Unreal, Quake, Deus Ex, PD, Ghost Recon, Flashpoint, Timesplitters, Far Cry, MoH, CoD blah blah among many other have influenced games for better or worse. But non have the influence that Halo CE has had on bunch loads of FPS and again for better or worse. Halo has had a very BIG influence on FPS and easily the biggest console since GE and up with HL, Doom on PC's which is amazing seens its a known as a console FPS andf to have that influence on a genre massively populated ona PC is remarkable.

Half Life, Tribes are two of the most notable - as is Marathon and the Quake series. Hell I implore you to play tribes 2 now then Halo CE........ Look how similar the vehicle selection is lol.

No Halo is not the most influential FPS by a mile. Its a very well polished FPS, and marks the next leap fowards in console FPS since Perfect Dark.

However Halo has had some influence in the regard of the 'shield' recharge system.

I blame the lack of any high profile PC games since HL2/WoWwok7

coming from you what a suprise, its one of the best console shooters no denying that but there are many pc shooters as good. farcry has a much better singleplayer as does hl2, stalker just to name a few, hl2's multiplayer is just as good, as is unreal.

What halo did is bring the greatness of pc shooters to consoles, halo made console shoooters great and brought them up to the standard of pc shooters, had it been a pc shooter it would have been a whole different story and would have been considered an average shooter.

This has nothing to do with PC FPS, as the guys/gals over at EGM are console people through and through, just listen the their podcast. The GFW guys wouldn't agree with that, their sister magazine owned by Ziff Davis. PC FPS have their own feel.

Also, aren't you the poster who thought the PC wasn't capable of HD resolutions? lol.....

mismajor99

yes he said that, that made my day.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Many games have copied Halos control scheme not to mention the shield system which is used in a lot of games was made popular in Halo.....tango90101

you drove/flew vehicles in Ts? grenade jump? (you couldn't even jump in TS, could you?)

see it revolotinised consoles fps but it didn't add anyrthing over pc shooters, battlefield 1942 has all that

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Well they're absolutely right, its the defining FPS of the 3D era in the mass market's eyes.

mismajor99

Half Life has sold just as many copies as Halo. On the PC, Half Life is king. I don't see how people can claim halo is the biggest FPS ever, that's not true.

because they don't wana admit that pc games sell well and that hl2 is an amazing game

Many of you are confused. This has nothing to do with how good or bad Halo is, or if its better than another FPS. It is about INFLUENCE. I personally do NOT like Halo. I think its boring, and has nothing to offer over Better shooters like UT and HL. That being said, Halo is still the most influential shooter on CONSOLES.

Halo was not the first FPS on Consoles, but it was the FPS that made people notice FPS on consoles. Before that, no one really cared about the genre on a console besides hardcore console gamers. Halo brought fps' into the mainstream. Think about how many FPS games came out on consoles after Halo. How many wanted to be "Halo killers". Look at how popular console FPS' have become. All of this was because of Halo. That is a significant influence wouldn't you say?

The quote from EGM is accurate. let me explain for the understanding impaired. EGM is saying that Halo did for Console FPS what Doom did for PC FPS. Again, I do not like Halo, but the truth is the truth. Some of you have your hands over your eyes.

Well we can look at it this way.....

The Topic is "Halo the most influential shooter since Doom". Now that IS NOT console shooter - that is shooter in general. That statement is PURE S***. Honestly System Shock, Marathon, Quake, Deus Ex, Half Life, Battlefield 1942, Counter Strike, Tribes (1 and 2), operation flashpoint - even Rainbow 6 - had more influence since doom than Halo - to the genre.

If your talking about console shooters well dont get too carried away. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark - even Medal of Honour. popularised the genre on console, and proved you could have a great control scheme, wheras Halo was an evolution in console FPS - proving that a console shooter could be of PC standards. And dont get carred away with the whole control scheme thing - Goldeneye, MoH and Timesplitters had great controls....

Halo was influential in its own ways however. It popularised the rechargeable shield / health, and openend up the console FPS genre again - just like what Goldeneye did.

Well we can look at it this way.....

The Topic is "Halo the most influential shooter since Doom". Now that IS NOT console shooter - that is shooter in general. That statement is PURE S***. Honestly System Shock, Marathon, Quake, Deus Ex, Half Life, Battlefield 1942, Counter Strike, Tribes (1 and 2), operation flashpoint - even Rainbow 6 - had more influence since doom than Halo - to the genre.

If your talking about console shooters well dont get too carried away. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark - even Medal of Honour. popularised the genre on console, and proved you could have a great control scheme, wheras Halo was an evolution in console FPS - proving that a console shooter could be of PC standards. And dont get carred away with the whole control scheme thing - Goldeneye, MoH and Timesplitters had great controls....

Halo was influential in its own ways however. It popularised the rechargeable shield / health, and openend up the console FPS genre again - just like what Goldeneye did.

skrat_01

Personally I don't consider Halo's controls ( and hence any other FPS on console) very good. Using a gamepad to control an FPS perspective is terrible.

I think that Halo's format made FPS playable on consoles but certainly not great. K/M for FPS = great.

Didn't Gordon Freeman have a Hazmat suit in Half Life?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Well we can look at it this way.....

The Topic is "Halo the most influential shooter since Doom". Now that IS NOT console shooter - that is shooter in general. That statement is PURE S***. Honestly System Shock, Marathon, Quake, Deus Ex, Half Life, Battlefield 1942, Counter Strike, Tribes (1 and 2), operation flashpoint - even Rainbow 6 - had more influence since doom than Halo - to the genre.

If your talking about console shooters well dont get too carried away. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark - even Medal of Honour. popularised the genre on console, and proved you could have a great control scheme, wheras Halo was an evolution in console FPS - proving that a console shooter could be of PC standards. And dont get carred away with the whole control scheme thing - Goldeneye, MoH and Timesplitters had great controls....

Halo was influential in its own ways however. It popularised the rechargeable shield / health, and openend up the console FPS genre again - just like what Goldeneye did.

Subcritical

Personally I don't consider Halo's controls ( and hence any other FPS on console) very good. Using a gamepad to control an FPS perspective is terrible.

I think that Halo's format made FPS playable on consoles but certainly not great. K/M for FPS = great.

Didn't Gordon Freeman have a Hazmat suit in Half Life?

Pyobably the one thing that really stood out to me, was how you had to take your thumb off the aiming control stick to use the face buttons. Thus could couldent aim when trying to melee, switch weapons ect.

And yea Gordon did have a Hazmat suit in Half Life - but it didnt have a regen shield.