RESIDENT EVIL 5 demo is up

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] well i find that laughable i guess. i suppose you have to make things interesting but zombies that can communicate still and live in harmony just don't do it for me. personally the ammo melons / grenade melons / infinite revives / controls kill this for me though. maybe next time capcom :P maybe next time. or just stick with Dead Rising. 3picuri3

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]PSN - Feb 5 ...btw, played this demo back when it hit the Japanese market place. Any true fan would have created a alternate account...come on, GSUS! TheGrat1

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] They can still communicate. The parasite is just able to fully control them sending them into attack mode. I think from an external source.TREAL_Since

no, my fear was that they'd 'Gears' this game & in a sense they did, and that's why i hated the demo. it's too easy. ammo is all OVER the place. no challenge apart from the controls.

i've always felt that making controls convoluted in survival horror games to add to tension is weak design. at least give people the option to set their own controls - or put fewer things on modifiers if that makes sense.. all actions shouldn't require holding 2 buttons. my main gripe is that RT can't be moved off of 'locate partner' in any of the configurations, which leads me to think they're purposely making things difficult just to add difficulty to the game.. when instead, they could've taken a look at removing the nade / ammo melons.

and they'll always be zombies to me, despite their level of cognition. i just feel it introduce plot problems i outlined. if they're somewhat smart why aren't they picking up weapons other than cleavers? if you can use and operate a megaphone you sure as **** could use a gun.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="bethwo"]

Ammo Melons :lol:

I love it!

3picuri3

I'm just tossing this out there, and it's common sense, but RE5 isn't meant to be realistic. It's a game. A game about crazy nutjob villagers.BioShockOwnz

LOL so true. If people want realism go and play a tactical-shooter (and for the love of god no, vegas and console GRAW aren't tactical-shooters)

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] well i find that laughable i guess. i suppose you have to make things interesting but zombies that can communicate still and live in harmony just don't do it for me. personally the ammo melons / grenade melons / infinite revives / controls kill this for me though. maybe next time capcom :P maybe next time. or just stick with Dead Rising. 3picuri3

no, my fear was that they'd 'Gears' this game & in a sense they did, and that's why i hated the demo. it's too easy. ammo is all OVER the place. no challenge apart from the controls.

i've always felt that making controls convoluted in survival horror games to add to tension is weak design. at least give people the option to set their own controls - or put fewer things on modifiers if that makes sense.. all actions shouldn't require holding 2 buttons. my main gripe is that RT can't be moved off of 'locate partner' in any of the configurations, which leads me to think they're purposely making things difficult just to add difficulty to the game.. when instead, they could've taken a look at removing the nade / ammo melons.

and they'll always be zombies to me, despite their level of cognition. i just feel it introduce plot problems i outlined. if they're somewhat smart why aren't they picking up weapons other than cleavers? if you can use and operate a megaphone you sure as **** could use a gun.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] they havn't been zombies since 04, and so what with the melons? who cares.Animal-Mother

After further consideration, I think the problem isn't so much the control scheme as it is the games (apparent) increased focus on shooting and action. People keep saying that adding in true shooter controls would break the tension. What tension? You create tension through a combination of suspense, atmosphere and difficulty, not throwing droves of mindless, easy-to-kill enemies at the player 15 seconds into the game.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] The point is that they aren't zombies. You keep saying zombies :?. They showed signs of communications, working as a group, and having full control of their motor skills in RE4. The only laughable thing I see is ammo in fruit :lol:. Quite funny indeed. Just a question: Would you like for it to control more like Gears? Or what would be your suggestions? I think anything would break the tension.Synthetic_NinJI

no, my fear was that they'd 'Gears' this game & in a sense they did, and that's why i hated the demo. it's too easy. ammo is all OVER the place. no challenge apart from the controls.

i've always felt that making controls convoluted in survival horror games to add to tension is weak design. at least give people the option to set their own controls - or put fewer things on modifiers if that makes sense.. all actions shouldn't require holding 2 buttons. my main gripe is that RT can't be moved off of 'locate partner' in any of the configurations, which leads me to think they're purposely making things difficult just to add difficulty to the game.. when instead, they could've taken a look at removing the nade / ammo melons.

and they'll always be zombies to me, despite their level of cognition. i just feel it introduce plot problems i outlined. if they're somewhat smart why aren't they picking up weapons other than cleavers? if you can use and operate a megaphone you sure as **** could use a gun.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] many people judging by what im reading on many sites. this isn't a well received demo, many fans have issues. and coming from you, the person that just posted the 'seriously stop the RE5 hate' thread i think i'll take your criticism lightly.3picuri3

After further consideration, I think the problem isn't so much the control scheme as it is the games (apparent) increased focus on shooting and action. People keep saying that adding in true shooter controls would break the tension. What tension? You create tension through a combination of suspense, atmosphere and difficulty, not throwing droves of mindless, easy-to-kill enemies at the player 15 seconds into the game.

PBSnipes

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Wow really? Controls were solid in RE4, You know there's gonna be more difficulties once the game is released and so what their hiding ammo. So hideous monsters who wanna eat your flesh are ok, but hiding ammo in melons, seeing it takes places in a town, and there are gonna be market places don't you expect them to hide ammo somewhere else, rather than just bins all the time?Synthetic_NinJI

guess they just don't translate well to this gen, i've seen many many many complaints re: controls so don't try to pretend it's not an issue because you thought they were solid. that's always been the main complaint about RE series...

and yes buddy, zombies i can deal with, monsters, okay. this is an alternate world where zombies are an issue due to umbrella. unless i read something in the plot that has something to do with Umbrella planting ******* grenade / ammo melon crops i'm going to have an issue with it... especially when it takes the fun / challenge away. sure it's a laugh finding your first frag in a melon, but im sure that wasn't the intention of the devs...

silly game. imho. i preferred the non-communicating zombies.. now it just introduces more plot problems. like why the hell wouldn't they organize as a group of zombies if they can communicate to somehow hide from people.. if they can operate a megaphone why don't they use the guns & grenade melons they harvest against me? i mean i assume the megaphone isn't solar powered so he must have to find batteries for it, no? if you can put batteries in a megaphone you can surely reload one of the many guns scattered about.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

After further consideration, I think the problem isn't so much the control scheme as it is the games (apparent) increased focus on shooting and action. People keep saying that adding in true shooter controls would break the tension. What tension? You create tension through a combination of suspense, atmosphere and difficulty, not throwing droves of mindless, easy-to-kill enemies at the player 15 seconds into the game.

3picuri3

Did you guys play RE4? Because this is exactly like it. It seems like you guys didn't know what to expect, so that leads me to believe you've never played RE4.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

guess they just don't translate well to this gen, i've seen many many many complaints re: controls so don't try to pretend it's not an issue because you thought they were solid. that's always been the main complaint about RE series...

and yes buddy, zombies i can deal with, monsters, okay. this is an alternate world where zombies are an issue due to umbrella. unless i read something in the plot that has something to do with Umbrella planting ******* grenade / ammo melon crops i'm going to have an issue with it... especially when it takes the fun / challenge away. sure it's a laugh finding your first frag in a melon, but im sure that wasn't the intention of the devs...

silly game. imho. i preferred the non-communicating zombies.. now it just introduces more plot problems. like why the hell wouldn't they organize as a group of zombies if they can communicate to somehow hide from people.. if they can operate a megaphone why don't they use the guns & grenade melons they harvest against me? i mean i assume the megaphone isn't solar powered so he must have to find batteries for it, no? if you can put batteries in a megaphone you can surely reload one of the many guns scattered about.

3picuri3

Dont zombies stumple around slowly and try to eat your brins, these people are trying to brutally slaughter you.

I'm just tossing this out there, and it's common sense, but RE5 isn't meant to be realistic. It's a game. A game about crazy nutjob villagers.BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] well i find that laughable i guess. i suppose you have to make things interesting but zombies that can communicate still and live in harmony just don't do it for me. personally the ammo melons / grenade melons / infinite revives / controls kill this for me though. maybe next time capcom :P maybe next time. or just stick with Dead Rising. 3picuri3

no, my fear was that they'd 'Gears' this game & in a sense they did, and that's why i hated the demo. it's too easy. ammo is all OVER the place. no challenge apart from the controls.

i've always felt that making controls convoluted in survival horror games to add to tension is weak design. at least give people the option to set their own controls - or put fewer things on modifiers if that makes sense.. all actions shouldn't require holding 2 buttons. my main gripe is that RT can't be moved off of 'locate partner' in any of the configurations, which leads me to think they're purposely making things difficult just to add difficulty to the game.. when instead, they could've taken a look at removing the nade / ammo melons.

and they'll always be zombies to me, despite their level of cognition. i just feel it introduce plot problems i outlined. if they're somewhat smart why aren't they picking up weapons other than cleavers? if you can use and operate a megaphone you sure as **** could use a gun.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

After further consideration, I think the problem isn't so much the control scheme as it is the games (apparent) increased focus on shooting and action. People keep saying that adding in true shooter controls would break the tension. What tension? You create tension through a combination of suspense, atmosphere and difficulty, not throwing droves of mindless, easy-to-kill enemies at the player 15 seconds into the game.

BioShockOwnz

Did you guys play RE4? Because this is exactly like it. It seems like you guys didn't know what to expect, so that leads me to believe you've never played RE4.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"] For the last time they are not zombies Animal-Mother

Dont zombies stumple around slowly and try to eat your brins, these people are trying to brutally slaughter you.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] yeah, like i was saying to my mate today - this is like 'hollywood does RE'.. they fore go the tension, atmosphere, difficulty, in favor of action, visuals, and ease of use / accessibility.TREAL_Since

Did you guys play RE4? Because this is exactly like it. It seems like you guys didn't know what to expect, so that leads me to believe you've never played RE4.

they're zombies, and just try saying 'for the last time' again with the illusion it means something to me. i'll call them zombies until they get their skin fixed and do something about the flesh eating / red glowing eyes, kthx. :P3picuri3

Zombies are the undead, these guys never died.

They are infected.

Look at 28 Days Later, same deal, they are infected, not zombies.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

guess they just don't translate well to this gen, i've seen many many many complaints re: controls so don't try to pretend it's not an issue because you thought they were solid. that's always been the main complaint about RE series...

and yes buddy, zombies i can deal with, monsters, okay. this is an alternate world where zombies are an issue due to umbrella. unless i read something in the plot that has something to do with Umbrella planting ******* grenade / ammo melon crops i'm going to have an issue with it... especially when it takes the fun / challenge away. sure it's a laugh finding your first frag in a melon, but im sure that wasn't the intention of the devs...

silly game. imho. i preferred the non-communicating zombies.. now it just introduces more plot problems. like why the hell wouldn't they organize as a group of zombies if they can communicate to somehow hide from people.. if they can operate a megaphone why don't they use the guns & grenade melons they harvest against me? i mean i assume the megaphone isn't solar powered so he must have to find batteries for it, no? if you can put batteries in a megaphone you can surely reload one of the many guns scattered about.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] The point is that they aren't zombies. You keep saying zombies :?. They showed signs of communications, working as a group, and having full control of their motor skills in RE4. The only laughable thing I see is ammo in fruit :lol:. Quite funny indeed. Just a question: Would you like for it to control more like Gears? Or what would be your suggestions? I think anything would break the tension.TREAL_Since

no, my fear was that they'd 'Gears' this game & in a sense they did, and that's why i hated the demo. it's too easy. ammo is all OVER the place. no challenge apart from the controls.

i've always felt that making controls convoluted in survival horror games to add to tension is weak design. at least give people the option to set their own controls - or put fewer things on modifiers if that makes sense.. all actions shouldn't require holding 2 buttons. my main gripe is that RT can't be moved off of 'locate partner' in any of the configurations, which leads me to think they're purposely making things difficult just to add difficulty to the game.. when instead, they could've taken a look at removing the nade / ammo melons.

and they'll always be zombies to me, despite their level of cognition. i just feel it introduce plot problems i outlined. if they're somewhat smart why aren't they picking up weapons other than cleavers? if you can use and operate a megaphone you sure as **** could use a gun.

better be 2-3 times the length seeing RE4 had some challenge in it :)

and i find it hilarious that some of you are so adament about the 'zombie' nomenclature. just because the devs say they're not zombies doesn't mean ****. do they have limb-loss problems? do they have bad skin? do they have little regard for human life? do they have glowing red eyes? do they act in mobs / groups?

you're just all sucked in by Capcoms attempt to prolong an aging series by giving things new names & slightly changing them. do me a favor, spare me future lectures on what devs call zombies.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Did you guys play RE4? Because this is exactly like it. It seems like you guys didn't know what to expect, so that leads me to believe you've never played RE4.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] they're zombies, and just try saying 'for the last time' again with the illusion it means something to me. i'll call them zombies until they get their skin fixed and do something about the flesh eating / red glowing eyes, kthx. :P3picuri3

Dont zombies stumple around slowly and try to eat your brins, these people are trying to brutally slaughter you.

Thier is only ONE type of ZOMBIE anything else would not be considered a ZOMBIE

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] Really. Welcome to 2005 :P.TREAL_Since

Well, I have a silver account, so I suppose I will just wait until it hits PSN where I can play it for free. Why can't Microsoft at least let demos be available to both gold and silver accounts at the same time like they used to? I only pay for LIVE whenever I have a game that I want to play online. I buy a month card here and there, so I can just pay as I need it. However, I am not about to pay just to get a demo.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

Dont zombies stumple around slowly and try to eat your brins, these people are trying to brutally slaughter you.

Synthetic_NinJI

Thier is only ONE type of ZOMBIE anything else would not be considered a ZOMBIE

when Zombie-ism 101 is a course, i'll take it. when fiction is all we have - i'll take the full body of fiction, not one cash cow written by Mr. Brooks.

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] i played & finished all of them. i said already that they took some stuff away in 4, now more in 5. thx though for your concern & paranoia, it makes me smile. and thx treal for saying the same thing in two threads to get attention despite me having already replied to you a while ago :)3picuri3

It'll be a better game than Gears of War 2 but I don't think the graphics are as good.Floppy_Jim

It's nothing like Gears 2, really. I know Cliff said RE4 inspired Gears, but they feel completely different. Both being AAA titles.

And you don't think the graphics are good? :o Kaz disagrees...

Well, I have a silver account, so I suppose I will just wait until it hits PSN where I can play it for free. Why can't Microsoft at least let demos be available to both gold and silver accounts at the same time like they used to? I only pay for LIVE whenever I have a game that I want to play online. I buy a month card here and there, so I can just pay as I need it. However, I am not about to pay just to get a demo.

ironcreed

Did you use all 5 or so accounts you get with your Xbox 360? Microsoft gives you like 5 accounts and you get a free month of Gold with each one, so you might aswell use them. You can open a new gamertag, then download it there, and then play it using your normal gamertag.BioShockOwnz

Yeah, you just have to set up a new XBL account with a new gamertag and email address (I just use hotmail, because it's quick for me).BioShockOwnz

^That should help. It takes like 5 minutes.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] I'm only kidding ;). I don't seek attention :|. Now you are assuming :(. Wow...TREAL_Since

well sir, i poke thee back *pulls out zombie poking stick* *pokes*. seriously though, i want to love this game.

i also want capcom to smarten up. i'm torn. why make it more accessible by making is easier / adding infinite revives / ammo melons, but still keep the same convoluted control scheme?

it just seems backwards to me. by making it accessible in stupid ways they turn some hardcore fans away, and by not addressing peoples issues with controls they also turn people away. just seems a bit hypocritical. it's like they were a bit schizophrenic in developing this one.. but i'll wait until we can see the full suite of options / game modes before i decide whether to buy or not.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

I loved every single Resident Evil but i was expecting an evoluction of the Res4 gameplay. And its exactly the same! And every trained soldier can fire while moving...

PAL360

... They just don't do it because it's not professional.

Maybe, but its not as fun! Anyway i cant imagine a professional soldier being stand and calm when an enemy is running to its direction

[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

... They just don't do it because it's not professional.

NAPK1NS

Maybe, but its not as fun! Anyway i cant imagine a professional soldier being stand and calm when an enemy is running to its direction

you have to admit that RE as a series has relied too much on convoluted difficulty, and it's getting old to some. it's one thing to make a truly tense game through design, it's another to make things tense with guised frustration due to not being able to move / adding 4 steps to switching any weapon, and taking away the firing button (RT) from play (apart from to 'locate partner').

i was hoping Capcom would put more effort in to making the gameplay the source of tension, and not the controls, if that makes sense. and the adding ammo / grenades to melons honestly just confused the **** out of me.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]It'll be a better game than Gears of War 2 but I don't think the graphics are as good.BioShockOwnz

It's nothing like Gears 2, really. I know Cliff said RE4 inspired Gears, but they feel completely different. Both being AAA titles.

And you don't think the graphics are good? :o Kaz disagrees...

Ah, my old sig :P

I know the 2 games feel different, I was just comparing them because so many people seemed to assume Resi 5 would have better graphics and would be the new "console graphics king" or whatever. But I'm not so sure. I do think it looks fantastic, just not necessarily better than Gears 2. I don't know if I'll like it as much as RE 4, but I do know it's gonna be one of the best games of '09. :)

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]It'll be a better game than Gears of War 2 but I don't think the graphics are as good.Floppy_Jim

It's nothing like Gears 2, really. I know Cliff said RE4 inspired Gears, but they feel completely different. Both being AAA titles.

And you don't think the graphics are good? :o Kaz disagrees...

Ah, my old sig :P

I know the 2 games feel different, I was just comparing them because so many people seemed to assume Resi 5 would have better graphics and would be the new "console graphics king" or whatever. But I'm not so sure. I do think it looks fantastic, just not necessarily better than Gears 2. I don't know if I'll like it as much as RE 4, but I do know it's gonna be one of the best games of '09. :)

really disappointed by this... i think there's a strong chance this'll be the first RE title I pass on.

grenades in melons? ammo everywhere? RT can't be modified to represent a main control function, just locate partner? inventory swapping takes Y + moving to item + pushing A + selecting Equip to swap? are you ******* joking me?

making the controls harder don't add to the ambiance / theme / genre, they just serve to frustrate. annoying as ****.

Capcom, notes for the future:

-finally fix your stupid controls

-make this survival horror again, not arcade Zombie hunt with grenade fruit / ammo fruit.

3picuri3

^That should help. It takes like 5 minutes.

BioShockOwnz

Seriously, you get a free month of gold for each of the 5 accounts you are allowed to make? That leaves 4 for me then. You made my day, my friend. Thanks:D

I didn't get to play it for long because there was something on TV I want to watch, but from what I was loving what I did play. I can't wait till I get to my first ammo melon :lol:

And to anybody complaining about the difficulty, won't there be several different difficulty levels in the full game?

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

It's nothing like Gears 2, really. I know Cliff said RE4 inspired Gears, but they feel completely different. Both being AAA titles.

And you don't think the graphics are good? :o Kaz disagrees...TREAL_Since

Ah, my old sig :P

I know the 2 games feel different, I was just comparing them because so many people seemed to assume Resi 5 would have better graphics and would be the new "console graphics king" or whatever. But I'm not so sure. I do think it looks fantastic, just not necessarily better than Gears 2. I don't know if I'll like it as much as RE 4, but I do know it's gonna be one of the best games of '09. :)

Gears 2 just seems more detailed to me, I dunno. Then again, we only have the demo of Resi 5 right now and I've only played it for half an hour. The full game could change my mind.

[QUOTE="PAL360"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

... They just don't do it because it's not professional.

NAPK1NS

Maybe, but its not as fun! Anyway i cant imagine a professional soldier being stand and calm when an enemy is running to its direction

Where in my posts can you find the "professional thing"? Read again please ;)

Ah, my old sig :P

I know the 2 games feel different, I was just comparing them because so many people seemed to assume Resi 5 would have better graphics and would be the new "console graphics king" or whatever. But I'm not so sure. I do think it looks fantastic, just not necessarily better than Gears 2. I don't know if I'll like it as much as RE 4, but I do know it's gonna be one of the best games of '09. :)

Floppy_Jim

Gotta love Krazy Kaz. :P

Yeah, I think Gears 2 has more detailed environments and RE5 has more detailed characters models. Seriously, the fabric of Chris's shirt and his sweaty arms is pure madness!

Seriously, you get a free month of gold for each of the 5 accounts you are allowed to make? That leaves 4 for me then. You made my day, my friend. Thanks:Dironcreed

No problem. :)

*slaps ironcreed for eating cookie* :P

Man, I could go for a good chocolate chip right about now. :P

scan from the manual!

Did you guys play RE4? Because this is exactly like it. It seems like you guys didn't know what to expect, so that leads me to believe you've never played RE4.BioShockOwnz

Like I said, the difference is RE5's focus on action. RE4 was such a great game because it balanced out it's action sequences with tension -- because your resources were so limited and even the weakest enemy could take a good chunk out of your health, you were always worried about what was waiting around the next corner. You had to take your time and make smart decisions because otherwise you were going to end up wasting ammo and/or herbs/medical spray.

On the other hand, the RE5 demo doesn't have either of those elements -- the enemies are not only weak, but so numerous that you're always picking up more ammo. The challenge is no longer to maximize your resources, rather it's simply to shoot as many enemies as possible. Early in RE4 even a handful of Ganado were enough to be a serious threat. In the first minute or so of the demo, you've killed at least a couple dozen enemies without batting a lash.

Maybe Capcom just jacked up the action in the demo to attract more consumers, but so far RE5 is shaping up to be more of a shooter with a bad control scheme than a worthy successor to RE4.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Did you guys play RE4? Because this is exactly like it. It seems like you guys didn't know what to expect, so that leads me to believe you've never played RE4.

PBSnipes

On the other hand, the RE5 demo doesn't have either of those elements -- the enemies are not only weak, but so numerous that you're always picking up more ammo. The challenge is no longer to maximize your resources, rather it's simply to shoot as many enemies as possible. Early in RE4 even a handful of Ganado were enough to be a serious threat. In the first minute or so of the demo, you've killed at least a couple dozen enemies without batting a lash.

Maybe Capcom just jacked up the action in the demo to attract more consumers, but so far RE5 is shaping up to be more of a shooter with a bad control scheme than a worthy successor to RE4.

Its getting annoying dying and being reverted to the menu. :? And is it just me, or does the partner like to get in your way a lot?II-FBIsniper-II

I died so many times in RE4, but I didn't die a single time in either of the RE5 demo levels. I heard the chainsaw guy on a second level was a pain, but with the combination of exploding barrels and melee, I found him to be pretty easy. I thought the girl (Sheva, or whatever...) was pretty accurate. She defended me rather well. I had to help her a couple times, but that didn't bother me, because the instant kill melee moves are nice! :D