So is the only argument left against PC "I don't like it"?

wut?

@drlostrib: Sorry, I forgot to include: Islamophobic, PC-phobic and anti-mommy.

@commander: Prey tell, what controllers are a hassle on PC and require paid for, third party, software to use for gaming (you know the one and only thing they are designed to do)? I'd really like to know because judging by your expertise on the subject you must have tried and tested all of them.

Keep in mind that you're talking with someone who seems to think that voice chat on PC is like a 20 step fucking process

I wonder what would this thread would have looked like say 5 or 10 years ago?

I've been a PC gamer my whole life, never owned a console outside of an original Gameboy way back in the day (which I still have and still works, man they built things differently back then, didn't they?!) but have plenty of experience with them, lived with roommates that had them, played on them for years, etc.

Honestly PC gaming has it's downsides, but they are definitely exaggerated:

Cost is higher, but it's only capital cost. Long-term I think it evens out, might even be cheaper if you buy a lot of games (I'd argue I spend about 15 bucks per game, and buy maybe 2-3 per month).

PCs are not plug-and-play. Honestly, though, it takes like 5% more effort to get a game going on PC than console. And frankly we have fewer menus to deal with so that's a perk. Just an OS screen, and an icon to double click. Yeah, used to be a bit more challenging to get things to run, but now all you have to do is wait for a game to download and that's it, really. Sometimes you might want to edit some .ini files, if you really want to, but that's entirely optional (and, I wager, a positive, not a negative).

Local co-op is lacking. Can't really sit on the couch and play with your friend/s on PC. Maybe with some effort, and on a select few games...but not really. Again, PC makes up for this in other areas, but there you have it.

Those are really the only negatives I can think of. And they are greatly, hugely offset by the positives.

But, really, that is all a moot point: if you don't want to game on PC because you like console more, or don't like PC, that's all the reason you need. And if the inverse is true, that is also OK. We are talking recreation here folks, you don't really need that much of a reason to do it.

Women do not like PC gamers.

When a woman hears youre a PC gamer, she will instantly assume youre 30 yr old virgin who still lives with his parents.

It's thanks to this stigma that you cannot get women. That, and the sallow, asthmatic complexion you get from playing LoL all night.

Women are ok with consoles, because they know consoles are just something fun for rainy days. But when they hear some dude has PC rig, they do their utmost to avoid that dude.

Uh-huh. You know I'm right.

Keep them stereotypes rolling. Any women who judges someone based by their entertainment medium regardless of time spent (in this case system of choice) are probably shallow as fk.

Id actually make the argument that women like PC gaming more than console gaming. In fact, id be willing to gamble on the idea that MMORPGs for PC have more women playing them than all of console gaming.

So, we seem to hold the same position but i would like to correct you on a few things.

My I5 w/980ti was cheaper than the Xb1X by itself or XBone or PS4 at launch + Live. Even after the cost reduction, its still cheaper than those systems + live/psn + 1 or 2 games.

And while my I5 system is outdated, it still pushes 4k at a higher frame rate than the xb1x.

I feel like this is not even a point anymore. In the only way PCs are not plug in play (PC term btw) for the vast majority of people, would be updating software and games. But because of the direction consoles have taken (to simply mimic PCs) they now have this "problem" as well.

Now, if you're editing .ini files, you're modding. If you're modding youre a pc gamer. And if you're a pc gamer we already know that having to use two brain cells for 20 seconds is not the end of the world.

Whats funny about this is recently ive co-op'd far more on my PC than on my consoles. In fact i almost never co-op on my consoles anymore and i thnk that really has more to do with them simply not putting out couch co-op games anymore. The last time i remember doing with consoles was the original Wii. The "issue" is really everything moving toward online gaming, but id say you have more options for local co-op on PC now because there's an independent developer market for PC that consoles simply don't have and triple A developers sure as hell are not developing these games often anymore.

@mrbojangles25: Local play sucks on consoles now. This isn’t the N64 era any more.

"I don't like it" is a pretty good reason not to buy something, no?

100% true, though it's a perspective that would terminate most conversations on System Wars if it was universally adopted!

Who the hell told you this?

@mrbojangles25: fantastic post.

dafuq is this shit?

I was trying to be diplomatic, throwing consoles a bone; if you want my honest opinion, I really have to agree with the topic title. There is no reason not to game on PC other than "I don't like it/I like consoles more". Consoles are going through a rough time: few genuinely good exclusives (which are pointless to care about in the first place); obsession over putting the cart before the horse, specifically 4K, which essentially amounts to an arms race; a much-loved producer of hardware and games botched release of a gimmicky toy with few games (Switch); closed development that limits creative freedom, access to independent developers, and so forth; and much more.

I wonder if it's time to ask if console gaming is dying? There is always so much negativity around console gaming. Around PC gaming? Not so much.

To all your points, yes, I have also done the same: combined with games I've spent less on my PC (I build my own, don't buy high-end parts), PCs are essentially plug and play these days even when you build them yourself, and co-op is amazeballs (holy hell have you co-op'd Divinity Original Sin 2?!?!)

Hell even pro-gaming seems to prefer PC these days and that nonsense is pure marketing designed to sell...energy drinks? Given that console-dominant markets seem to be a US- and Japan-only phenomenon, if professional gaming leagues want to stay relevant they have to use PC; they're not going to overwhelmingly use console when 2/3 of the world doesn't game on console.

And we always ask the question "is PC gaming dying?" and apparently it is not; in 2016 the market exceeded 30 billion dollars, with expected growth rates of ~7% depending on market. So not only is most of the world PC gaming, but apparently most of the world finds it to be incredibly affordable and a worthwhile investment (it should be noted that of that 30 billion, 43% of it was spent on "high end" equipment, too).

*But we both suck because mobile devices is kicking both our asses. **** mobile gaming. Gotta take them down. BUT NOT WITH MICROTRANSACTIONS! Apples and oranges, though, I suppose.

His mom.

It's probably the most valid and honest reason.

@DragonfireXZ95: He's right you know.

If you walk up to a chick and ask her if she wants to see your mighty 1X, she'll go home with you for sure.

Most PC gamers also play console games.

There is just no argument that supports consoles being "superior" to PCs, even when it comes to convenience or QOL.

Pc gaming fanboys $500 graphics card to render better pubes. That's the difference.

*render better pubes @144hz.

I guarantee Gabe Newell had more pussy than you ever will in 10 life times.

REKT!

It is still more inconvenient for a living room set up. Even if you manage to get a HTPC case and build it that way, you will still need mouse keyboard to launch games and operate the system. A lap board with a keyboard stuck to it, is not as easy to store than just a controller.

The price at least in the UK is also a lot more, you are talking £600-700 for a decent but unremarkable system, and more people are now just using tablets and phones for basic web browsing so have less need for the functionality of a desktop.

Well in the very least you need an antivirus. You have to choose between a free one that is throwing ads at you, or pay for it.

Then there is the thing that windows generally turn into slow unstable mess within several months from clear install. The only way out of it is formatting the HDD.

Also, sooner or later you will buy a game that just doesnt work well. It either crashes ofter or performs much worse than it should. Usually there is a fix, but you need to figure it out.

Then theres the thing that if you prefer couch gaming, you need to have a wireless keyboard and mouse somewhere handy, because you cant fully maintain PC without it (updating the antivirus, etc.)

So yes, there is a hassle. And what are the benefits of gaming on PC? None at all. So why bother?

@Juub1990:

Reason 1: Xbox one is simpler

Insert game disk and thats it

Reason 2: 230€ for xbox one + controller + 2 games.

Since when? Are you talking about the original Xbox, from 2000-2004? Only in that case would you be correct.

Oh yeah... Absolutely...

Holy shit, GS uploads are garbage.

Answers in bold.

I agree with the things I'm hearing from you console gamers, though. If you're very, very bad with electronics and have never / rarely used a computer before, then yes. I guess PC gaming is a hassle.

I love PC gaming, but you really need to have your head up your arse towilfully deny that it is A) more upkeep/maintenance and general hassle than a console, and B) simply doesn't have some of the console exclusives.

I do 95% of my stuff on a screen, period, on a custom built PC plugged into a wall mounted big screen TV with a secondary big screen TV as a second monitor beside it, with a wireless mouse and keyboard as I sit in my reclining couch - but when I feel like it, I still fire up one of my consoles ranging from the original NES to my new(ish) PS4. It's still simply true that the consoles are easier/more straightforward and have some games PC's don't. Honestly, my current best social gaming experience with one of my long term gaming friends (about 25 years now) is to fire up our PS and play one of the Tales games co-op and we can't do that on a PC.

That being said, if I had to pick only one, it would be PC without even thinking about it. PCs offer a *tremendous* depth of experience with the massive backlog of old games, mods, emulation, and very solid current lineup.

I have my PC hooked up to a projector. I control the OS with a Logitech K400 Plus... A wireless keyboard with a track pad and I play games on my couch with a X1 controller.

As for a £600-700 PC being unremarkable?...

• Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz 4 core 8 thread CPU
• MSI A320M MATX Board
• Corsair LPX 2x 4GB 2400 RAM
• Seagate Firecuda 1TB SSHD
• Gigabyte RX 580 4GB Gaming
• Bitfenix Nova
• Corsair 500w Builder 80+ Bronze PSU
• Lite on iHAS124 DVD Writer
• Windows Home 10 64bit

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wbRp7h

Unremarkable?... It will play games at 1440p 60FPS like Doom, GTA5, Gears of War 4, Battlefront 2 and many many more. For a £700 PC to do that is pretty great if you ask me.

Maybe its not a hassle for you, but it is for me. AVG window popups + GRISOFT (the AVG company) quietly collecting my browsing data and selling them to marketing companies is not something I enjoy. Not a single ad has ever been thrown at me by my PS4.

Thinking about what I can or cant download + removing it from windows thereafter, where the app entry often still remains in the registry even after uninstall via the slow and annoying "Apps & Features" submenu... hassle.

etc. etc.

To each his own, I've got my working PC where games are strictly forbidden (a little rule I imposed on myself because I wouldnt do much work otherwise) and then when I come home I've got my handy simple cool console down there under TV full of amazing console games. Currently I'm about 80 hrs+ in Persona 5 (still far from over), which equals almost two months for me given my average gaming time, and there is not a single game on the market I'd like to spend the time playing more than this one. PC gaming my axe.

>Still using third-party anti-virus in 2017

What is this 2005? Who the **** still gets viruses anyway?

Again, is this 2005? This does not happen.

Not sure. It's fucking hard to get viruses. I guess it's mostly people who have zero knowledge about computers and really likes porn.

Just age-old arguments that never die because uninformed people who don't even use PCs keep bringing them up..

Sheesh a lot of you guys are using incredibly outdated arguments or extremely hypothetical/fabricated problems.

The only real reasons to prefer a console these days are for exclusives, your friends are on it, you prefer the initial cheaper cost, and physical copies that you can sell and easily share with others. Any other reason is bull crap you can't simply just "like it better" with no actual explanation of any kind and food analogies are bad since food is way more subjective than gaming which has more objective elements to it.

If you try to argue the difficulty of using a PC for gaming in today's age you are really just making yourself look like a grandparent and surprising us that you even know how to use a console or any other common modern technological device.