So is the only argument left against PC "I don't like it"?

@GarGx1: Lol, there's a certain amount of irony too when I decide to play the original Everquest or something elee really old, with my buddy on my gaming PC.

Considering it originally required an 8 MB video card when it launched I believe.

And yeah, strategy games are just too good to give up for me as well.

I use to be a PS fanboy and when they announced the PS4 Pro, I knew it was time for me to make the jump. I did my research...having limited knowledge of computers and built what I have today. And I honestly have to say that the games look way better. I see the graphics comparison videos of PC vs. console...etc. and they don't really do it justice. It is really a jump from the consoles. I never realized it until I went back and played Uncharted Lost Legacy. That is when I noticed frame rates, motion blur that was ridiculous. It wasn't a smooth experience from what I remembered. I guess I can say that I am now spoiled.

I'm not talking games that don't support Xbox 360 controller. I'm talking games that come pre-programmed to work perfectly with Xbox controllers with no additional effort required other than simply plugging it in and starting the game.

Because that's what you get when you play a game on an Xbox console. Not so with PC.

Ok, then you should have no trouble naming a couple of them.

hitman blood money, mass effect 3 and that's just on top of my head.

It becomes less and less of a problem of course.

@commander: It does become less and less of a problem. On consoles, it's nothing. It's not a conversation people have. You buy a game, your console comes with a controller, and that's the end of it. There's not a single thread debating this about consoles. There's a certain circle of PC gamers that will never understand this, for some reason.

@appariti0n: If you want a list of games where controller support isn't seamless, just refer to the 4,000 other threads made this year about this same subject. This doesn't need to be discussed anymore.

The cost of building a PC is equal to, if not more than, buying all three consoles.

There are lots of reasons some people may prefer gaming on consoles (confort, optimization, exclusives, plug and play, etc). Seriously, asking for an explanation the way some people do is just typical PC gamer arrogance...

@commander: I'll give you ME3, but blood money is from 2006. Not so relevant.

In any event, with win10 and any xbox controller, it's pretty rare to see anything within the last few years that doesnt work out of the box.

@IMAHAPYHIPPO: 4000 threads huh?

Then why were you unable to name a single game?

Someone else had to do it for you, and he named a 5 year old game, and an 11 year old game.

I guess if we're allowing issues that old, then one could claim that consoles don't have hdmi, don't go above 720p (actually in some cases they STILL don't lol), or that xbox has the red ring of death. Those are all 5-11 year old arguments, amirite?

You know what's nice about PC? You can fix everything.

You don't even have to use a mod, we got controller profiling software and thanks to Valve we can make it even more convenient with steam's controller configuration. Sure you may not get the button prompts of your controller on the screen but unless you're playing game with a lot of them (which is very unlikely) it is hardly a problem.

@NoodleFighter said:

@DragonfireXZ95 said:

@commander said:

@appariti0n said:

@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:

I'm not talking games that don't support Xbox 360 controller. I'm talking games that come pre-programmed to work perfectly with Xbox controllers with no additional effort required other than simply plugging it in and starting the game.

Because that's what you get when you play a game on an Xbox console. Not so with PC.

Ok, then you should have no trouble naming a couple of them.

hitman blood money, mass effect 3 and that's just on top of my head.

It becomes less and less of a problem of course.

You know what's nice about PC? You can fix everything.

You don't even have to use a mod, we got controller profiling software and thanks to Valve we can make it even more convenient with steam's controller configuration. Sure you may not get the button prompts of your controller on the screen but unless you're playing game with a lot of them (which is very unlikely) it is hardly a problem.

This mod changes the icons in game so it shows Xbox/Playstation controller inputs.

I own a high-end gaming pc, PS4 Pro, Switch, and two Xbox One S.

That being said, sometimes I am in a PC Gaming mood where I am ok at being at a desk, and other times I am in a Console mood where I just want to chill on my couch.

And NO, I cannot just hook my gaming PC up to my TV. I only play multiplayer games, and trying to play PUBG with a controller on my couch would result in getting demolished.

Energy drinks taste like pee. How can PC gamers drink that stuff 24/7???

@henrythefifth: How do you know what pee tastes like?

@appariti0n: Not unable, just unwilling. This argument never stops, and nobody ever wins/loses/or draws. There's always going to be a circle of PC gamers that astutely refuse to understand why anybody would choose consoles over PC, and no argument is ever going to sway that. People have spent countless hours on this forum trying to do just that, and the arguments are so plentiful that there's a 0% chance I'll ever find an angle that hasn't already been presented here in the past. So, if you want a list so badly, go find one. There's hundreds of them on this very website. The argument's already been made, and people are too stubborn to accept that anybody could possibly like something they don't. So, you go ahead and continue to argue back and forth on this subject while I go sit on my comfy couch, play my PS4 on my giant TV, and you can continue to type away with regurgitated anecdotes like, "Buh, buh, buh, you can plug in your PC to a TV. You can get a big HDMI cord if your PC is too far away, you can blah blah blah blah blah blah PC has more exclusives blah blah blah blah blah more options, more powerful, 60 FPS blah blah blah blah anybody can look up video cards and understand computer parts blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

The Last of Us isn't on PC. And that's what I want to play right now. And any debate about what platform is better starts and ends with what you feel like playing.

/Hippo Out Motha fuckas.

It works both ways.

You can say people like you making these excuses for that 1 in a thousand games that has issues... can't take a few minutes to get a fix, is stubborn, lazy and ignorant.

But hey.. my pc fully loads from Cold Boot in 7 seconds to my desktop, I click a game it plays. I install a game, it plays.

Everything about the experience on average day to day use is faster, more flexible, there are simply a much larger variety of games... Oh last of us? yea.. don't pretend you couldn't find something you would play ALOT more on PC.. that is just plain stubborn and just lying to yourself.

It's 2017, no driver installations, hell even whiping a PC takes less than 10 minutes back to factory... ffs.

"Blah blah blah" yea.. prove my point. Your full of it.

You probably ain't even playing Last of Us, its just that token "omg 10/10" that people stopped and shelved a few years ago, because beyond the B grade plot and shiny presentation, there is nothing work keeping about it. A one time throwaway experience. Always cherry picking these kinda games in arguements, yet most people that do probably don't give a flying toss about Last of Us compared to their normal multiplat games.

@MBirdy88: Believing somebody would lie about playing a game nullifies your entire statement.

really doesn't, I bet I've hit the spot.

What's your PSN ID?

Problem is your entire argument boils down to "I prefer to play consoles". Cool, that's all you need to say if that's what you prefer. But most people end up taking a silly jab at the opposition and say AND my "controller/ 1 exclusive game/ value for money" is better. Those claims always draw rebuttal because it looks like it is presenting objective fact instead of an opinion.

If you prefer consoles, say you prefer consoles and be done with it. If you prefer a controller just say you prefer it. But if you try to present an objective fact, prepare you anus for PC!

OK, I guess if I buy an Xbox ONE X I can solve that problem, because you can play those games on Xbox ONE X, right? no? well I guess if an HD remaster comes out at some point its totally worth paying $20 for each rather than dealing with the "problem" yourself, right?

There is a good reason why you are having trouble naming a notable number of games, its because its a none issue. MOST games, like 90%, support 360 controller, so if a few don't (taking into account that the number of games on PC are almost countless, plus other advantages that come with PC gaming) is it really even an "argument" WORTH mentioning? especially since those can be easily fixed with mods readily available with a simple google search? you are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel here. An extreme minority of games that don't have controller support out of the box is BARELY an argument in favor of consoles.

Problem is, the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim.

You claimed there were FOUR THOUSAND threads this year alone, complaining about NUMEROUS games that have controller support issues on PCs. Yet you couldn't name a single game. (seriously, you really should have just inflated that number a bit more and said OVER NINE THOUSAND.)

Now suddenly it's HUNDREDS of posts.

Next it will be DOZENS of posts.

Now suddenly your reasoning is that you can't play the Last of us on PC. See, if you would have STARTED with that reason, it would have been totally fine.

Liking the exclusives offered on a particular console = perfectly valid.

Having all of your friends playing on a particular console = perfectly valid.

having a $250-$500 budget for initial cost = perfectly valid.

Spreading blatant misinformation regarding the nature of PC to support your argument = not so valid.

Many of us PC gamers actually do understand that preference comes into play. You can have your preference; most of us don't try to take that away. It's when you spout lies about PC gaming to try to justify your "preference" is when you get shut down. Like saying that many games don't have controller support, when even PC exclusive games like PUBG has native controller support.

@MBirdy88: Why in the world would I give a stranger my ps ID? You obviously care about this way more than I do.

What do you think I can do with your ID? send you a naughty message? hack your friggin bank account or what?

People here share them (or use to often)... its a bloody gaming ID not your National Insurance number.

Christ.

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Either way, I was spot on the money, you just name dropped last of us (a last gen game) as "10/10 PeeCee not have!" argument.

@MBirdy88: Dear God, you would really go to the trouble of checking some random person's gamer ID to validate some irrelevant argument about why people would choose a console over a PC? Dude. Get a Tinder account or something, you have too much time on your hands.

You made a statement, I claimed BS on that statement, 5 seconds of clicking your profile would either validate or not validate your arguement.

But lets be honest, the ammount of defence and brush off I'm getting, we already know the outcome.

It's alright, you don't need to continue, next time you want to pull some melodramatic "PC Gamer's don understand" either get a better argument and stop name dropping games you probably don't play much and maybe you won't have these reactions.

As I said previously, me and my mates were playing Gears of War 4, split screen, one with a 360 controller and one with a Dual Shock 4 controller. Do that on an Xbox One.

easy when you have the cronusmax adapter like I have, it connects pretty much any controller from the last 2 gens and pc controllers too, all without hassle. I play with ps3 controllers, ps4 fight sticks, pc gamepad, flight stick all on my xboxone. It even connects wii controllers.

and it works with any game out of the box, plug and play, of course you can use the cronusmax adapter on the pc too.

Wait... You drank piss before?

Yea but times have definitely changed. Also if you want to play on older games that bad with a controller then download the mod to play with it. It literally takes less time then it does for the consoles that download so slow to download updates.

I got nothing against PCs. It's the PC gamers I cannot stand.

These people spend 500$$$ on a new graphics card that makes no difference whatsoever as to how their games look. And they cannot understand what waste of money that is.

These people spend more money on hardware than games! And again, they see nothing wrong with that.

Now us console gamers, we put our money in games, not in hardware. Because playing games is why we got the console for in the first place.

I tell you, PC gaming makes you lose your common sense.

Tone down on the peasantry

PCs are only for Porn duh. It is in the name. PC= Porn Computer.

@Dark_sageX said:

@henrythefifth said:

These people spend 500$$$ on a new graphics card that makes no difference whatsoever as to how their games look.

Tone down on the peasantry

For someone being so hell-bent on promoting the pc platform, your shitty attitude isn't doing your cause any favors. Who would want to share the same online gaming space with you?

OK you got several things wrong here

- I'm not "hell bent" on anything, I come here to have fun

- I'm not promoting the PC, I just school peasants who spread misinformation, and there is no shortage of you

- I'm a pretty rad dude yo, my attitude is PREFECT

- I'm sure there are lots of people (who are actually informed about PC btw) who would like to share the same space as me online

- Even if you don't want to you will share the same space as me, exhibit A: This thread.

Ok, you got several things wrong here.

- You are clearly hell bent. You're trying way too hard to convince people on why they should quit being "lazy" and just get a pc. Your kind of devotion to this lost cause isn't healthy.

- You're promoting the pc. I can't help you if you don't know the definition of "promoting".

- Yeah... Just because Mommy told you that you were cool doesn't make it so.

- No one wants to share any kind of space with you.

- I clearly stated " online gaming space". Your failure at reading comprehension is complete. Exhibit A: This thread.

So you do drink piss.

So in a conversation about controllers not working natively on PC you come back with additional, third party, hardware to run other controllers on your Xbox One? Am I getting that right?

On the other hand Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3 and Forza 7 all support other controllers with no issues or additional hardware.

Yep, with PC, you can set up everything with just a simple software solution. Whereas, if I wanted to use a 3rd party controller or say a mouse and keyboard on consoles, I'd have to shell out 100 bucks for a Xim4 or something like that.

Not sure why consolites attempt to use this as ownage against the PC. With a little research and a program, we can do anything, but the same thing will cost them 100 bucks(arbitrary) for an adapter of some sort.

I knew it was a lie all along. Uncharted 4 could have run on the PS1 with no problem and look the same!

The biggest problem with PC gaming in my mind is that progression can be expensive. When I bought my most recent computer, I was told it could play anything out on that day, and it did! But, fast forward a few years and it wasn't powerful enough to play Andromeda. And it would cost me a couple hundred bucks just to play one PC game...so...I just took the hit for the game.

Well you said do that on the xboxone, don't try to spin this around, on the pc even this adapter won't save you from the hassle to play certain games with a controller, and that was what this discussion is about.

and not everyone wants to use a playstation controller on the xbox or vice versa. There's no need to buy this adapter if you stick with xbox compatible controllers.

So, with all the multiplats out there, you only want to play 1 game? I find that hard to believe.

Also, these stories are funny, because there are no details about the machine at all. It was probably some Best Buy shill that sold you a 1000 dollar computer with a 630 GT in it or something.

@commander: If I'm not mistaken, you listed a couple of old games that had controller issues on PC (which incidentally were easily corrected with free software) and then cited a £50 adaptor for consoles as an equivalent solution for consoles to have a fraction of the controller options on PC today.

Hmmm, and you think I'm spinning the discussion!

I only listed those games because I replied this someone else, and I also said that it became less and less of a problem. It has nothing to do with your claim 'try that on the xboxone'

the controller options on the pc are also hassle , far from every controller works out of the box, the whole controller support on the pc is pretty much the xbox controller with here and there ds4 support, for the rest you gotta start with custom drivers and paid software like xpadder. You're better off buying the same adapter if you don't want to go through any hassle.

People don't go buying controllers that aren't for their console as well, this is mostly a niche crowd, and for that crowd 50 pounds is not that much money.

- lol I called the other guy (or was it you? don't really remember) lazy because he IS lazy and I was pointing it out, I wasn't try to bring him/her/it/you to PC

- You're the one who doesn't know what promoting means (and "begging" for that matter) stop using words too big for you!

- thats homophobic, and racist and sexist of you to say

- you clearly do, you can't ignore me "wink"

- my bad, so you are not 100% wrong about me, only 99%, doesn't change the fact that what i say in regards to PC gaming is 100% correct and you are wrong.

You fell for the consumer trap, you should never build a PC with the expectation of maxing out every game, features and hardware update at a very fast pace on PC, you should be more moderate. For example don't aim for a 4k build that will absolutely max out the most powerful game to date, because thats all it will be able to do, max out the game up to date. Just lower your standards if you don't want to spend too much money, stick with the standard of the time or the level above the standard (1080p or 1440p) but not the highest end, this way you will have a PC that will last you for a good generation.

And just curious, when did you build your PC? Andromeda is not a particularly demanding game, something like a GTX 1060 is more than an enough for a 1080p and 60fps experience (1440p if you tone the settings down a bit).