So is the only argument left against PC "I don't like it"?

well i didnt get that memo. I own a library of over 200 games while looking forward to more to come. I don't have issues with not having any games. My only issue is getting the money for all the ones i want. Keep telling the lies to yourself though for self preservation, hopefully for you sake you'll live longer

@SecretPolice said:

@Trinitarian said:

i'd rather have a console i can plug in and play. All the optimization is already dealt with. Why you even care if people prefer consoles? Did someone tell you that you're in the master race now lol? fool. I can't wait till i get the XBX and hear the cows mmooooing while they eat grass and make milk all the way to the slaughter house. You PC players are irrelevant.

lol :P

epic lmao

Because PC gaming is for NERDS.

And it's not easy to do like you guys claim. You guys find it easy because you guys are NERDS. The average person like me can't do that garbage.

I can't even get DOS BOX working on PC. You will tell me how to do it, it's so easy and just youtube it, but I still can't do it.

Consoles, I just plug in and play. Done. Simple. No thinking required.

doesn't make sense to try and put together builds until benchmarks and graphics analyses are out for the X1X

so PC is bad because you're an idiot?

LOL is this 1988? People still believe this? Its been used for longer than most people on the board have been alive and its still not true. Strawmans FTW!

^ pretty much that. Sadly it seems like some of the worlds best cooks only cook for a few select fast food brands and they release a burger every year I really want to try out. It's a shame though they can't create it in a real kitchen, it would be so much better.

Ha.

Yeah I've read so many posts that are meant to bash PC gamers, but instead paint them as a bunch of brilliant rich guys.

Well to be fair that's all the reason anyone needs. As much as PC gaming has gotten easier it's still not as convenient as console gaming and I don't think that it ever will be. At most right now you have only to choose between a base model and a more powerful model, with PC there is a myriad of choices to make that will give you a wide variety of results. Also as someone who prefers to get their games on a physical medium PC just doesn't have that option for me anymore.

Yeah at this point the only things consoles have going for them are exclusive deals, and even those games run like shit because consoles are mass-produced cheapo gaming machines.

Consoles are fine for some, but PC gaming just makes sense for me. It's one of those things that you can't help but see once you know.

You basically just have to put up with the console BS for the exclusives - not terrible - not ideal.

Is it seriously so difficult to run 90% of your games from steam, and launch Blizzard/Origin for the other 10%? LOL.

Also, Steam lets you put a direct shortcut to the game on the desktop. That shortcut launches steam and logs in automatically, then runs the game. I would assume the other platforms probably have similar functionality.

@babyjoker1221said:

Do I turn down the res, and run on ultra? What do I have to fiddle with to get the best fps? Let me fire up afterburner and sort it all out.

Wow, just wow.

Yeah, fire up afterburner and sort out resolution/image quality settings. Because that's totally what it does.

And to think you were just insulting @Enragedhydra's credibility too.

You guys heard the man. Yall are NERDS. Console is the epitome of cool. PC? more like Nerd...y

Its a simple as this. Sometimes ppl want car that looks nice with 20 features. Even if its the same price.

I like that my gaming space is not intertwined with computer programs.

Not allot of ppl are rich enough to have two different pcs with one just for gaming. Even then the community will be broad seperated and all over the place.

Its just not the same. Never will be

Actually, you and TC are both wrong. @Juub1990 is listing "I don't like it" among other factors as price, convenience, display options, input vs input, (among the many others) as the reason. But this is a fallacy. Because "I don't like it" isn't a reason. That's no more than a declarative statement of your feelings towards a particular something. The actual reason (what ever it may be) is what determines if you do or don't like something. In other words, "I don't/do like" is the result, the reasons are the WHY people come to the result.

Using your own example of kiwi; you say that you don't like it. That's not a reason, it's just what you've decided about that fruit. The taste/flavor of that fruit is why you don't like it. The flavor is the reason, not the "I don't like it" statement. And that explanation (flavor) being highly subjective in this case need no further justification. Other examples can be drawn from any number of things;

* I don't like Stephen King. Why? His subjects are disturbing, or his writing style is too high brow for me, or from what I've seen in interviews he comes across as a prick....

* I don't like Madonna. Why? Her songs don't evoke me like others do, or she's such a diva, or I don't think she's all that talented, or i hate her political stance on this or that...

* I don't like watching the 6:00 news. Why? I find it depressing, or it's easier for me to keep up with current events online, or I find most network stations to be biased, or I get more insight from reading materials than news anchors....

*** These just being some random examples I conjured up, not my own feelings on them, in fact I quite appreciate Stephen King

So when someone plays the "I don't like it" card, that's not giving a reason. Again it's just expressing how you feel about the platform. There's always a why beneath the liking/not liking a platform, which are the real reasons to justify that statement. And those reasons (cost, convenience, complexity, inputs, options, library, etc...) are the tangible factors that can be argued and scrutinized. It's not the statement that should be challenged, but the WHY behind it that is open for discussion and debate.

@Trinitarian: Whelp that's my daily intake of stupid for the week, thanks I guess.

That's actually very true.

If steam goes down I'll still be able to launch Uplay and Origin :)

@R4gn4r0k: not all games on steam are tied to the steam drm either, D:OS 2 for example is drm free on both gog and steam

@AdobeArtist: That’s exactly why I put “I don’t like it” between quotation marks. It’s not a reason.

Fair enough.

@vfighter: your obviously some butt hurt fanboy with no life, so if logic hit you in the face you'd call it stupid. You can't expect any thing less from a moron.

why you have to be mad?

@drlostrib: he replied to what i said as taking in his daily dose of stupid. I replied accordingly.

final builds aren't out yet. doesn't make sense to try to make performance comparisons until it actually comes out and we see how most games perform

If you have an Nvidia card, you can set Geforce Experience to optimize every game you install automatically. It'll set the graphics to whatever graphics your machine can manage at stable framerates. You really don't need to deal with it if you get an Nvidia machine.

It's a solid argument, since it still exists.

Bad arguments are perpetrated all the time, and it can often be scrutinized as bad when it can't be backed up. Just existing doesn't make it "solid".

Some of the responses in this thread..

my god the mental gymnastics... I would say ignorance, but half of this s*it is simply stubborn responses...

"Indie machine, most big games are on consoles" ..

Ah yes... because you see console games (except CoD) having anywhere near as close to many players/revanue as the top PC games right? right?

I couldn't count all the "big console exclusives" on both hands... and even then half that list is 10 hour fucking tech-artists just circle jerking and forgetting about gameplay.

Agreed. Maybe solid was a bad choice of word.

It's more of an opinion argument, which is based on a number of arguments, both good and bad. Not sure what the word is, but maybe a fair argument?

Consoles are just easy & simple... I don't want to spend my gaming time fu**ing around with settings and updating drivers etc, trying to get games to run properly. I can't be bothered with it. I know and admit that PC gaming is the premium gaming experience, but I maintain that to enjoy the most of that premium, you need to spend decent coin. More than what a console would cost.

Read my post carefully. Either your reading comprehension is bad, or you've never used afterburner to monitor your frame rate.

Ultimately scores are very limited... they are based on genre and platform, and one persons opinion... and not a very detailed one at that, half the industry is effecting by money/advertising.

PC games live for years... console games, even the supposedly "brilliant ones" last a few months.

I don't hate PC gaming, I do hate PC gaming programs like Origin, Uplay, GoG, ect

While it's on the PC, it's annoying having to constantly log into these shitty programs, Steam/Bnet is the best, I'd rather not use Origin to play games like BF4/1

Then set it to automatically log in?

If I was THAT into games....like if I was ten years old again, I might bother mom and dad for a gaming PC. Today, I side with simplicity and cost. If I'm lucky I get a few hours a week to play video games. It's nowhere near worth the investment (time or $) to turn to a gaming PC. A lot of the games I play don't even end up making it to PC. NHL (specifically EASHL) is huge here.

Nobody is denying that PC's are capable of better performance. I think people are just saying that they don't care.

I've never even used the GoG client lol. Just click on the game and play it. Or add it to my Steam library as a non Steam game and launch from there.

You can't spec something to match performance if you don't know what the performance will be

@Juub1990: Windows 10. An open architecture will always have problems. I'd rather own a Corvette with stock parts, than a custom built car that's basically equivalent to a Corvette but cost double. Better to have millions with the same hardware, where one patch covers all if there's an issue. And a game can better get use out of that hardware.

except it's not uncommon for console patches to cause problems

This is dumb, this has ALWAYS been a value proposition. TC thinks his values are more important than everyone else's. Many of the reasons to own a console are still valid although things like exclusives aren't as strong as they used to be since there is a lot of overlap and a significant amount of exclusives on PC.

Price

For what it does you can't get a PC in the same form factor with the same power.

Stability

Console games are significantly more likely to hit the ground without as many bugs, the lack of variety allows better and more effective testing on console. On PC your more likely to have "special" issues due to configuration of your PC/drivers and sometimes even other applications installed can interfere. Yes its not as bad as it used to be, but consoles are still more likely to work day 1.

Unified platform

Options are great but they also divide communities into different tools and require everyone to be willing install piles of crap depending on which group of friends you might be playing with and sometimes there is tooling issues. Sometimes you need to know a bit more about computers, and if you don't your more likely to accidentally install bit mining malware...

Controller support

PC ports are still spotty with their controller implementations. Not as bad as they used to be, the majority of games should work except for certain PC genres.. If you like playing with a controller the experience is best on console. Even games that have console ports don't work 1:1 or don't have correct controller graphics even if your using a game that is also on xbox. Those are mostly nitpicking. Worst of all is multiplayer. If you like playing with a controller, and you like online FPS games... PC is just not an option. I actually do buy FPS games for consoles depending on the game because PC games due to accuracy of the mouse changes the flow of movement. Sometimes games that have more flow can be more fun.

It's also not a valid comparison. The custom built car is not equivalent to the Corvette. The custom built car destroys it in performance and specs, and it may cost double, but you get what you pay for.

Nor is a Corvette an accurate representation of a console. Corvette is a badass car. The consoles... not so much.

It's a preference, what is there to debate about? I don't give a crap what you guys play your games on.