So system wars has been trying to make BioWare the new pariahs of the industry..

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

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The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

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The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

TheEroica

Bioware is nothing close to elite. Maybe top 20. Maybe lower considering the mess that was DA2, a inferior hack 'n slash game compared to the original, that has less RPG elements than JRPGs.

But ofcouse, no one should predicting the death of Bioware, i mean they did manage to overcome the horrible nightmare that was Baldur's Gate: Alliance on the consoles, and managed to produce incredible games after that. So they might return to their senses.

Valve, Blizzard, Nintendo and Id software are Elite, God tier. Bioware is nothing compared to these Gods of gaming.

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

.

.

The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

TheEroica

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

.

.

The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

AzatiS

What is worse, people calling out companies for doing what they are doing, and hoping they stop it... or people deluded into thinking nothing is happening and everything is just fine? BioWare *has* sold out to EA and the money tree. It is clear with all their recent releases. They are being made *purposefully* to appeal to the widest possible audience, and are much simpler than their past efforts.

And it is kind of ironically funny that you mention Square-Enix... because BioWare made fun of JRPG's but have basically turned all their RPG's into JRPG's. Linear, story-driven, pre-written character games.

They have gotten seriously bad lately and I swear to god I will personally send EA hate mail if they cut more bloody rpg elements in Mass Effect 3

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

Locutus_Picard

so let me get this straight... Youre defending a company that has had basically zero critically acclaimed games this entire generation including creating one of the worst MMO's in history, saying they're master zen peace with the world has led them to understand the errors of their way.... meanwhile Bioware, who has produced hit after hit is out with their chainsaws seeking out anyone who says something crooked about their games? system wars is unreal.

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

Locutus_Picard

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

TheEroica

so let me get this straight... Youre defending a company that has had basically zero critically acclaimed games this entire generation including creating one of the worst MMO's in history, saying they're master zen peace with the world has led them to understand the errors of their way.... meanwhile Bioware, who has produced hit after hit is out with their chainsaws seeking out anyone who says something crooked about their games? system wars is unreal.

What is worse, people calling out companies for doing what they are doing, and hoping they stop it... or people deluded into thinking nothing is happening and everything is just fine? BioWare *has* sold out to EA and the money tree. It is clear with all their recent releases. They are being made *purposefully* to appeal to the widest possible audience, and are much simpler than their past efforts.

And it is kind of ironically funny that you mention Square-Enix... because BioWare made fun of JRPG's but have basically turned all their RPG's into JRPG's. Linear, story-driven, pre-written character games.

foxhound_fox

I agree that its in our right as gamers to demand excellence from our hobby. I just think most of this hate is being poured out of Dragon Age 2 being much more appealing to the COD crowd than it is that Bioware is actually a failing company. Did they sell out to EA? Dont know, I dont work thereI , but I know EA is their boss, and you probably shouldnt disobey your boss... I attribute more of this change in approach to Bioware have way more on their plates than ever before... I do miss the days of them being independent and making games for just PC/360 that were highy focused. Im just not ready to jump this bandwagon of doom. sorry.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

WilliamRLBaker

Alright, there is 3 companys that stand out;

Valve

Dice

Bioware

I think DA2 bumped them fron the top tier with Nintendo, Valve, and Blizzard, but I think they are still at a tier with excellent developers such as Bungie, Naughty Dog, and Rockstar.

I agree that its in our right as gamers to demand excellence from our hobby. I just think most of this hate is being poured out of Dragon Age 2 being much more appealing to the COD crowd than it is that Bioware is actually a failing company. Did they sell out to EA? Dont know, I dont work thereI , but I know EA is their boss, and you probably shouldnt disobey your boss... I attribute more of this change in approach to Bioware have way more on their plates than ever before... I do miss the days of them being independent and making games for just PC/360 that were highy focused. Im just not ready to jump this bandwagon of doom. sorry.

TheEroica

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

.

.

The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

Lucianu

Bioware is nothing close to elite. Maybe top 20. Maybe lower considering the mess that was DA2, a inferior hack 'n slash game compared to the original, that has less RPG elements than JRPGs.

But ofcouse, no one should predicting the death of Bioware, i mean they did manage to overcome the horrible nightmare that was Baldur's Gate: Alliance on the consoles, and managed to produce incredible games after that. So they might return to their senses.

Valve, Blizzard, Nintendo and Id software are Elite, God tier. Bioware is nothing compared to these Gods of gaming.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

Locutus_Picard

so let me get this straight... Youre defending a company that has had basically zero critically acclaimed games this entire generation including creating one of the worst MMO's in history, saying they're master zen peace with the world has led them to understand the errors of their way.... meanwhile Bioware, who has produced hit after hit is out with their chainsaws seeking out anyone who says something crooked about their games? system wars is unreal.

well, saying you dont understand the stab at SE seemed a sign of defense, but thats neither here nor there... The arrival DID please me, as more Mass Effect 2 would please anyone. I have every achievment in both mass effect games and Ive played through both games several times, so yeah, more ME2 would please me just fine and it did... was it their best work on DLC? no, but ive played much worse DLC that that in my life. how did you like the arrival? what did you think of it? as for DA2, I played the demo and didnt mind the hack and slash elements, though I can imagine getting tired of it with a game of DA's length. As for your anger over the seemingly stringent forums over at bioware, hey man things get banned for all sorts of reasons. Ive been modded here for the most ridiculous of reasons. Im sure the owners of Bioware arent the ones pushing the buttons on moderations and sending out death squads to destroy people who talk bad about the games.

Baldur's Gate 1: Good game, though it was really unforgiving at low levels (Fighter got one shotted by a bear), had to resort to kiting him. Really rewarding when I finally killed him.
Baldur's Gate 2: Excellent game and almost superior to Baldur's Gate 1 (BG1 beat it in exploration though). Highly entertaining and still their best game.
NWN: Terrible campaign redeemed by an excellent toolset. Really, you could not control your companion, roleplaying was terrible, story was meh, in fact what were they thinking? Ok, I still enjoyed some excellent (unofficial) modules. I guess hordes of the underdark was decent as well.
KOTOR: I wont comment much on this one since I couldnt be bothered coming very far. The game for me was a broken buggy mess, after every fight I lost control of my party and had to reload, not to mention the combat was pretty meh and most of it felt like I was playing with a dumbed down dungeons and dragons ruleset.
Mass Effect: Ewww... if the terrible cliched story didnt get on my nerves the copy paste missions, the horrid conversation system, lousy combat system, terrible map design, mostly boring characters or the worn out formula would.
Dragon Age Origins: of the games they made, Baldurs Gate series stood out for actually not being bad. So how about make a game pay homage to those games. Now forget everything that made those games good. Very minimal penalty for dying, make one encounter, now copy paste it over and over again, cliche as **** story, battle system far inferior to the old Baldur's Gate games, horrid quests where many of those I tried reminded me of those I have seen in MMOs granted I did not try all of them, cliche story, boring party members, broken unbalanced ****s, level scaling, generic world, terrible level design, awful roleplaying where most solutions could only be solved via combat and to top it off add a lame as heck villain.
Mass Effect 2: Scanning minigame that bored me to tears, awful shooting sections, even worse level design, repetitive as heck, conversation system that punishes you for not being strictly paragon or renegade, black and white morality, some of my companions annoyed me, dumbed down from Mass Effect 1, worse skill trees and character customization.

Not to mention that for so long they have kept rehashing the same old structures and cliches. Almost always terrible quest design, terrible level design, repetitive, cliches stories and heavy use of level scaling. Bioware is my least favorite game developer out there.

Man bashing them felt so good.

Did they sell out to EA?

TheEroica

People should put the blame where it belongs.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

BioWare elite? :lol:
You know, to become elite you have to be consistent. Pressing a button and something awesome happening won't account for becoming elite.
And I don't get the stab at SE, even though they their latest installment was messed up, they acknowlegded their fault. BioWare just took a dump on their fans.
BioWare just bans, locks, deletes any critisism posted on their website/forum, blind to their own garbage they produced.

Locutus_Picard

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Did they sell out to EA?

heretrix

People should put the blame where it belongs.

Valve, Blizzard, Nintendo and Id software are Elite, God tier. Bioware is nothing compared to these Gods of gaming.

Lucianu

Squaresoft used to be the company... sadly, SE doesn't uphold that standard :(

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

I agree that its in our right as gamers to demand excellence from our hobby. I just think most of this hate is being poured out of Dragon Age 2 being much more appealing to the COD crowd than it is that Bioware is actually a failing company. Did they sell out to EA? Dont know, I dont work thereI , but I know EA is their boss, and you probably shouldnt disobey your boss... I attribute more of this change in approach to Bioware have way more on their plates than ever before... I do miss the days of them being independent and making games for just PC/360 that were highy focused. Im just not ready to jump this bandwagon of doom. sorry.

foxhound_fox

The guy you referring to was a troll.

I think it's because peoples care about Bioware and are afraid of what it will become now that's part of EA. EA does have a bad history when it comes to purchasing and destroying developers. Bioware is not indipendent anymore, they're part of EA. They can't make the games however and whenever they want now.

Funny video Dragon Age 2 EXCLUSIVE Meeting

Well...

I can't recall Square Enix having multiple DLC announced before their disappointing game was released. I don't recall Square Enix calling out Bioware either. Bioware are pretentious. Hopefully the reception to DA2 & "The Arrival" brings them back down to earth.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Did they sell out to EA?

Locutus_Picard

People should put the blame where it belongs.

People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.

Baldur's Gate 1: Good game, though it was really unforgiving at low levels (Fighter got one shotted by a bear), had to resort to kiting him. Really rewarding when I finally killed him.
Baldur's Gate 2: Excellent game and almost superior to Baldur's Gate 1 (BG1 beat it in exploration though). Highly entertaining and still their best game.
NWN: Terrible campaign redeemed by an excellent map editor. Really, you could not control your companion, roleplaying was terrible, story was meh, in fact what were they thinking? Ok, I still enjoyed some excellent maps not made by Bioware. I guess hordes of the underdark was decent as well.
KOTOR: I wont comment much on this one since I couldnt be bothered coming very far. The game for me was a broken buggy mess, after every fight I lost control of my party and had to reload, not to mention the combat was pretty meh and most of it felt like I was playing with a dumbed down dungeons and dragons ruleset.
Mass Effect: Ewww... if the terrible cliched story didnt get on my nerves the copy paste missions, the horrid conversation system, lousy combat system, terrible map design, mostly boring characters or the worn out formula would.
Dragon Age Origins: of the games they made, Baldurs Gate series stood out for actually not being bad. So how about make a game pay homage to those games. Now forget everything that made those games good. Very minimal penalty for dying, make one encounter, now copy paste it over and over again, cliche as **** story, battle system far inferior to the old Baldur's Gate games, horrid quests where many of those I tried reminded me of those I have seen in MMOs granted I did not try all of them, cliche story, boring party members, broken unbalanced ****s, level scaling, generic world, terrible level design, awful roleplaying where most solutions could only be solved via combat and to top it off add a lame as heck villain.
Mass Effect 2: Scanning minigame that bored me to tears, awful shooting sections, even worse level design, repetitive as heck, conversation system that punishes you for not being strictly paragon or renegade, black and white morality, some of my companions annoyed me, dumbed down from Mass Effect 1, worse skill trees and character customization.

Not to mention that for so long they have kept rehashing the same old structures and cliches. Almost always terrible quest design, terrible level design, repetitive, cliches stories and heavy use of level scaling. Bioware is my least favorite game developer out there.

Man bashing them felt so good.

Maroxad

People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.heretrix

In short.........."I refuse to evolve......No matter what game is made better by new techology famble manble, I'll way hate it because it new."

dreman999

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Sure they did...Literally. That aside, people seem to forget that once you get absorbed into the larger landmass of a publisher a lot of that freedom a developer once had is gone. I really don't understand the hate towards Bioware when pretty much all of the crap that has been going on with them has been EA's fault.

People should put the blame where it belongs.

heretrix

People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] When BioWare themselves contracted their souls to them...we should feel sorry for BioWare?Locutus_Picard

People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.

In short.........."I refuse to evolve......No matter what game is made better by new techology famble manble, I'll way hate it because it new."

dreman999

To evolve =/= to simplify and dumb down beyond recognition until it's a shooter/hack 'n slash with 1% of the RPG elements in past titles.

Bioware is a money whore, at this point.

I can't recall Square Enix having multiple DLC announced before their disappointing game was released. I don't recall Square Enix calling out Bioware either. Bioware are pretentious. Hopefully the reception to DA2 & "The Arrival" brings them back down to earth.

Twin-Blade

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

In short.........."I refuse to evolve......No matter what game is made better by new techology famble manble, I'll way hate it because it new."

Lucianu

To evolve =/= to simplify and dumb down beyond recognition until it's a shooter/hack 'n slash with 1% of the RPG elements in past titles.

Bioware is a money whore, at this point.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.foxhound_fox

Sigh.......So is it a buttom masher on pc? No........ And it has more tactics than DA:O. And ME was already an action rpg shooter hybid. I make no sence to complain about the seris contiouing to play not only how it was before but better than it was before. And ME is a mess, it powers are broken and I love the game.

dreman999

But why dilute the RPG genre? I loved Mass Effect 1. But because of these hybrids, most people do not even know what a RPG is anymore, in this casualized generation of gaming, and that is a sign for concern. If we dilute every genre into a shooter or a hack 'n slash, then what will become of diversity? A good deal of popular genres in the past have become obscure now, core RPGs are starting to have the same faith.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.foxhound_fox

In short.........."I refuse to evolve......No matter what game is made better by new techology famble manble, I'll way hate it because it new."

dreman999

Bioware are brilliant devs poisened by EA in my opinion. I love both ME games (especially the first one) but i have a feeling that ME3 will flop! Hope not.

Dude, Miyamoto doesn't run Nintendo and he never did. He doesn't ever have to worry about the day to day. The doctors created Bioware from the ground up and grew it into a very successful BUSINESS. As what happens to many companies around the world if your business is successful enough, a larger company will come around and offer you a lot of money and other incentives to buy your business. Some people accept if the deal suits them or some people refuse. Sure, the doctors got into the business because they loved to make games, but after running Bioware for so long they probably didn't want to run the business any longer. Miyamoto was never in that postion.

heretrix

There are many companies that are independent. Bioware chose to sell out, to money, and ignore it's dedicated fanbase.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Dude, Miyamoto doesn't run Nintendo and he never did. He doesn't ever have to worry about the day to day. The doctors created Bioware from the ground up and grew it into a very successful BUSINESS. As what happens to many companies around the world if your business is successful enough, a larger company will come around and offer you a lot of money and other incentives to buy your business. Some people accept if the deal suits them or some people refuse. Sure, the doctors got into the business because they loved to make games, but after running Bioware for so long they probably didn't want to run the business any longer. Miyamoto was never in that postion.

Lucianu

There are many companies that are independent. Bioware chose to sell out, to money, and ignore it's dedicated fanbase.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Dude, Miyamoto doesn't run Nintendo and he never did. He doesn't ever have to worry about the day to day. The doctors created Bioware from the ground up and grew it into a very successful BUSINESS. As what happens to many companies around the world if your business is successful enough, a larger company will come around and offer you a lot of money and other incentives to buy your business. Some people accept if the deal suits them or some people refuse. Sure, the doctors got into the business because they loved to make games, but after running Bioware for so long they probably didn't want to run the business any longer. Miyamoto was never in that postion.

Lucianu

There are many companies that are independent. Bioware chose to sell out, to money, and ignore it's dedicated fanbase.

Right. Sometimes you just want ot cash in your chips. If you made a successful business and decide to do that, it's your right, people be damned. Most you you guys don't appeciate it anyway so why the hell should they care? They've put in their hours.

They make awful dlc.... overcharging for little content...

They change game mechanics because a few people didnt like it...

They are good but overrated

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

Sigh.......So is it a buttom masher on pc? No........ And it has more tactics than DA:O. And ME was already an action rpg shooter hybid. I make no sence to complain about the seris contiouing to play not only how it was before but better than it was before. And ME is a mess, it powers are broken and I love the game.

Lucianu

But why dilute the RPG genre? I loved Mass Effect 1. But because of these hybrids, most people do not even know what a RPG is anymore, in this casualized generation of gaming, and that is a sign for concern. If we dilute every genre into a shooter or a hack 'n slash, then what will become of diversity? A good deal of popular genres in the past have become obscure now, core RPGs are starting to have the same faith.

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

.

.

The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

Lucianu

Bioware is nothing close to elite. Maybe top 20. Maybe lower considering the mess that was DA2, a inferior hack 'n slash game compared to the original, that has less RPG elements than JRPGs.

But ofcouse, no one should predicting the death of Bioware, i mean they did manage to overcome the horrible nightmare that was Baldur's Gate: Alliance on the consoles, and managed to produce incredible games after that. So they might return to their senses.

Valve, Blizzard, Nintendo and Id software are Elite, God tier. Bioware is nothing compared to these Gods of gaming.

I don't understand why simply profit isn't enough.

Sure if you're a small dev with money restrictions then I can understand that even though working with what you got is a challenge thus more fun.

But once you reach a certain point where you have an established fanbase and everything is going smooth, your team loves what they're doing why not continue doing that.

What is the point if the only goal you have is to make more money? When is it enough? I don't understand how all these developers can take this as I'm sure 90% of them are passionate gamers. They don't want to develop map-packs. They don't want to dumb down their games. Why do that, when you can survive otherwise?

They make awful dlc.... overcharging for little content...

They change game mechanics because a few people didnt like it...

They are good but overrated

fueled-system

2.DA:O dis the same thing with dlc. And DA2 only has 1 day one dlc, DA:O had 3.