So system wars has been trying to make BioWare the new pariahs of the industry..

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Depth in shooters is based on skill. It's not the same in RPGs. Depth in shooters in added through mechanics. Rocket jumping, bunny hopping, circle strafing, circle jumping, hook jumping, map control, etc are what adds depths in shooters.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="dreman999"] But any shooter has that.

dreman999

[QUOTE="dreman999"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] No, not every shooter has those things. In fact, most don't, It's based solely on the way Quake's movement physics operate. DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="dreman999"] So COD has no map control, or cirle staffing? I know FPS is based on skill but when has a fsp game play not be based of skill. Even to get the killstreaks you need skill. The problem is the it's too easy to dominate with the killstreaks. That it.

dreman999

BioWare is the spoiled brat of gamingLookAnDrolL

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

TheEroica

What does Square Enix have to do with this? While Bioware were performing better for the last several years, SE have learnt from their mistakes and are this time performing better than Bioware in 2011 so far.

The highest rated RPG of 2011 so far is SE's "Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together", which GameSpot scored higher than both Mass Effect 2 (PS3 release) and Dragon Age II. Meanwhile, "Final Fantasy Dissidia 012" got the same score as Dragon Age II, while SE's "The 3rd Birthday" (though not as great) at least scored higher than Mass Effect 2: Arrival. The only other SE RPG in 2011 so far, "Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2" (which will never release Westside), has scored highly in Famitsu (not that it should mean anything to us Westerners).

If we're going to judge both companies based on their recent performance this year, SE is clearly leading so far.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] CoD players have no need for map control because there's no weapons or power ups on the map. Controlling the map doesn't help you win. And no, circle strafing in CoD doesn't work because the player moves to slowly for it to be effective.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]BioWare is the spoiled brat of gamingVaasman

Bioware traded some gameplay features and depths for a more cinematic approach. Not exactly a fan of their new mindset but they are still one of the better game devs out there.mirgamer

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]Bioware traded some gameplay features and depths for a more cinematic approach. Not exactly a fan of their new mindset but they are still one of the better game devs out there.dreman999

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]BioWare is the spoiled brat of gamingVaasman

stop hating on Bioware, DAII has a respectable 77% average on GR....

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:D

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[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"]BioWare is the spoiled brat of gamingLookAnDrolL

stop hating on Bioware, DAII has a respectable 77% average on GR....

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:D

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="heretrix"]You're right because selling your business means selling your soul. It's business and it happens all the damn time. Seriously, some of you guys really need to spend more time in the real world.

People like money, that's primarily why you go into business. I'm not asking anyone to be sympathetic to Bioware. I just recognize the reality of the situation.

heretrix

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

stop hating on Bioware, DAII has a respectable 77% average on GR....

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:D

therancors

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

I've noticed a clear outpouring of hateboys on this forum going for BioWares throat, calling them washed up and under EA's spell and maybe the worst of all, comparing them to that bumbling mess known as Square Enix. Now I know that the opinions expressed in System Wars dont account for one percent of one percent of the opinions of the gaming comunity, but seriously guys? Bioware is still one of the elite and leading developers on earth and while yes, the vision of bioware has seemingly been impacted by the EA money factory, Bioware is still turning out highly rated and asthetically immersive games and will continue to.

The company has more on their plate then ever before with an MMO, sequals to highly touted games and multiplat development and yet they still turn out high quality work.

Im no appologist for anything in this business, I call it exactly how I see it... Bioware has nothing to appologize about.

What does Square Enix have to do with this? While Bioware were performing better for the last several years, SE have learnt from their mistakes and are this time performing better than Bioware in 2011 so far.

The highest rated RPG of 2011 so far is SE's "Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together", which GameSpot scored higher than both Mass Effect 2 (PS3 release) and Dragon Age II. Meanwhile, "Final Fantasy Dissidia 012" got the same score as Dragon Age II, while SE's "The 3rd Birthday" (though not as great) at least scored higher than Mass Effect 2: Arrival. The only other SE RPG in 2011 so far, "Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2" (which will never release Westside), has scored highly in Famitsu (not that it should mean anything to us Westerners).

If we're going to judge both companies based on their recent performance this year, SE is clearly leading so far.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="mirgamer"]Bioware traded some gameplay features and depths for a more cinematic approach. Not exactly a fan of their new mindset but they are still one of the better game devs out there.KalDurenik

[QUOTE="therancors"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

stop hating on Bioware, DAII has a respectable 77% average on GR....

....

:D

DarthBilf

[QUOTE="DarthBilf"][QUOTE="therancors"]Funny, PC version on GR is 78.98. Does that mean 360 gamers have higher standards? :shock: :P

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Jag85"]

What does Square Enix have to do with this? While Bioware were performing better for the last several years, SE have learnt from their mistakes and are this time performing better than Bioware in 2011 so far.

The highest rated RPG of 2011 so far is SE's "Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together", which GameSpot scored higher than both Mass Effect 2 (PS3 release) and Dragon Age II. Meanwhile, "Final Fantasy Dissidia 012" got the same score as Dragon Age II, while SE's "The 3rd Birthday" (though not as great) at least scored higher than Mass Effect 2: Arrival. The only other SE RPG in 2011 so far, "Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2" (which will never release Westside), has scored highly in Famitsu (not that it should mean anything to us Westerners).

If we're going to judge both companies based on their recent performance this year, SE is clearly leading so far.

texasgoldrush

And I don't like Dissidia much myself either, but I was only pointing out the fact that the critical reception for Dragon Age II hasn't been any better than Dissidia 012, so it's not like Bioware are doing any better than SE this year, unlike what the OP was implying.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"][QUOTE="dreman999"] Ironic, how DA2 add more to it and noone notices, but no armour charge for your allies everone remembers.texasgoldrush

It doesn't matter how many lines you have when none of those make a difference in the story. Most of those lines are just saying the same thing in a different tone.

1. I happily agree to help you

2. I'll help but listen to this joke first

3. This better be worth it when I come back you dip***

That's DA2 dialogue in a nutshell. You just agree in different ways and even when you do not agree it doesn't matter anyway. The same crap will still happen.

I havent played through DA2 yet so judging by all of their previous merits this gen, their easily god tier (Mass Effect 1, 2 and DAO). All critically acclaimed and definitely some of the best games this gen. Is DA2 a sign of them selling out to the CoD crowd? Only time will tell. I definitely hope not.

On a kind of unrelated note, why the FARK did theymess with the camera in PCDA2? (judging by the demo) Retarded move right there.

Co-sign, although my fav Bioware games are older ones, I still like there new ones.

Origins was awesome, ME1 was awesome, ME2 and DA2 are more action oriented (like Jade Empire was when compared to KOTOR,etc..) but they are still fun times with good story/characters and dialogue, just not as much RPG elements are previous games.

The cool thing to do right now is hate on Bioware. Sure I would LOVE all bioware games to be like Baldurs Gate, NWN1 and KOTOR, but the other more action oriented Bioware games liek Jade Empire, ME2 and DA2 are still tons of fun and alot better then most other games put out atm.

Until Bioware makes a game that I find to be BAD or a slap in the face like say GOTHIC4 was to Gothic 1-3 or say Operation Flashpoint DR to the original series, I will continue to support Bioware. IMO they have not made a bad game yet, just they have made a few games with more action then previous games.

RPGS are my fav genre and I LOVE hardcore rpgs but at the same time I can enjoy more action orietned rpgs to if they have good story, cahracters, gameworld,dialogue,etc..

SW always overreacts.
These aren't your average gamers.

BioWare still rocks.

[QUOTE="DarthBilf"][QUOTE="therancors"]Funny, PC version on GR is 78.98. Does that mean 360 gamers have higher standards? :shock: :P

Ace6301

People were complaining for months on end on the bioware forums and on this site about Mass Effect2 and how dumbed down it is and how they took away all the godo stuff from ME1, DA2 did exactly the same thing that ME2 did.

ME2 and DA2 are less RPG then the previous games in the series, but still enjoyable imo. I am kind of confused how you can stick up for ME2 and knock DA2 though when they pretty much did the exact same thing.... took away from elements that alot of hardcore fans were angry with.

Jade Empire, ME2 and DA2 are much more actino oriented and less RPG elements then Biowares other games but that does not automatically make them bad games. They took away some of the rpg stuff for more streamlined and actino oriented combat.

I still like those Bioware games (JE, ME2 and DA2) but they are all definatly more action oriented.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DarthBilf"] No, he was just cherry-picking the score that would support his viewpoint the most. Does anyone even pay attention to GR anymore?kozzy1234

People were complaining for months on end on the bioware forums and on this site about Mass Effect2 and how dumbed down it is and how they took away all the godo stuff from ME1, DA2 did exactly the same thing that ME2 did.

ME2 and DA2 are less RPG then the previous games in the series, but still enjoyable imo. I am kind of confused how you can stick up for ME2 and knock DA2 though when they pretty much did the exact same thing.... took away from elements that alot of hardcore fans were angry with

Which was a pretty stupid move. ME was a lite rpg anyway, the fanbase still loved the sequel. Streamlining DA this much though doesn't go well for DA:O fans. It wasn't a semi shooter trying to be a rpg, it was a classic rpg through and through.

[QUOTE="dreman999"][QUOTE="mirgamer"]Bioware traded some gameplay features and depths for a more cinematic approach. Not exactly a fan of their new mindset but they are still one of the better game devs out there.KalDurenik