Sony has failed in Japan to an even greater degree than Microsoft

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Hey, i went and found another one for you!

cakeorrdeath

Out of interest what website are you getting these from?

Ah of course, i forgot to link. Apologies:

http://www.neogaf.com

I'm not quickly making them in MS paint. :P

As for the guys we're going round in circles with:

I wasn't looking for a debate in this thread, however. I was asking why this was the case and how Sony could turn it around. I have to admit i was pretty shocked at the number of people who seem to flat out deny simple facts and prefer to move on under the illusion that the PS3 is actually doing pretty good, and will skyrocket into the greatest console on the market as soon as Final Fantasy comes out.

Come on, guys...

Hey, i went and found another one for you! This one is extra super easy to read, too! Hurrah!

Yes! Final Fantasy will increase PS3 tales ten-fold, right? The Wii is doomed!

Ninja-Vox

The graph for the Wii is hilarious.No sales, then a huge short spike every time there is a shipment :lol:

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[QUOTE="alfy13"]i already looked at the graph. but one thing this graph only shows its progress of sales totall. it doesnt show me when ps3 sales dipped to the 9k region, or when sales went up due to games coming out that the JA bought system for. so untill you show me a graph taht shows Sales Dipping and Rising then i wont be able to show you when the trend for that month for the ps3 or the 360 / alfy13

That's EXACTLY what the graph shows. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

are you joking? he did show you. wow must be really thick goggles. :roll:

sigh im dealing with a fanboy. let me break it down for you. show me a graph like this onebut for consoles and for japan alfy13

I already posted an easier graph. Please tell me what fanboy i apparently am. I'd love to know. :lol:

Well down you have put cows to shame but we all know who the overall winner is and that is Wii. Now from what heard in system wars some people find the Wii and specfically the wiimote a Fad ( I don't sheeps so don't attack me.) Furthermore people critize the wii for not having "Next gen graphics" or HD.Yet for some strange reason why does it continue to sell and demolished it's competition. Could answer that question Ninja-vox using logical answers, Statistics and Expert Opinions. Also what is stopping the 360 from dominating its Homeland America. So if may Please anwser my questions. I hope I have'nt offended you or sound like a fanboy and Thank you if you do answer my question.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="D0013ER"]

[QUOTE="snorlaxmaster"]You my good sir, are failing to see Sony ultimate plan. The real reason that the PS3 if failing so far is because the PS2 is still sellng strong. Once the PS2 owners are prepared to take a step to the next gen, they will want to go with a system that is well know to them, and one that they can play their large PS2 library on. It is an ingenious plan, and it is inevitable that Sony will conquer once more in this generation.Magical_Zebra

Whatever happened to cautious optimism?

You're giving your system of choice a bad name.

Oh stop it. So let me get this straight. All the PS2 owners in the world (LIKE ME) are going to purchase a PS3 when we are prepared to take a step into the next gen??? Are you Sony PR? Sorry my man, Next Gen didnt start when you and Sony says so, it started in 11/05. :shock:

I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.Socrates88

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Hey, i went and found another one for you! This one is extra super easy to read, too! Hurrah!

Yes! Final Fantasy will increase PS3 tales ten-fold, right? The Wii is doomed!

Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]The wii is killing the ps3 and 360 everywhere because it's alot cheaper casuals don't care about hdtv gaming or online multi player. BrooklynBomber

That could be it. Believe it or not that was the actual point of the thread. All i've got is two fanboys yelling on about Final Fantasy and how it'll single-handedly turn the console around.

Now if the ps3 has FF 13 and DQ9 maybe it would close the gap alot but the wii is just owning in sales.I can't see that changing unless it's a fad and sales slow down alot in 2008 or the ps3 does a major price cut. The 360 is dead in japan and sales worldwide have fallen into a slump at the current pace even the ps3 will catch the 360 xmas 2008.

360 U.S sales are greater then the PS3 U.S sales and that sales difference is more then the Japanese sales difference or at least last month it was. Japan + U.S for 360 is selling more then Japan + U.S PS3.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Hey, i went and found another one for you! This one is extra super easy to read, too! Hurrah!

Yes! Final Fantasy will increase PS3 tales ten-fold, right? The Wii is doomed!

alfy13

Oh really? What fanboy am i, please? I'd love to know. Because the otherday i had lemmings yelling at me for bashing Microsoft's build quality. But now i guess i must be a lemming because you cant make a point without me destroying it, right?

There's logic for ya.

I'd also love to know what your point is. You clearly dont know what a trend is, because you say a spike is a trend. It's the opposite. Also, the Wii goes in loops of sales go down, a shipment comes in and then BAM up they go again. The PS3 is consistantly poor. It does indeed have increases when games come out; as anyone would expect.

So what's your point? You think Final Fantasy alone will increase sales ten-fold?

for the people that are having trouble grasping this idea, here it is in point form:

1) Sony had a massiveuser base in Japan prior to this gen

2) MS had a very meager user base in Japan

3) Sony, relative to MS, has totally failed in Japan and sale are nearly comparable when looking at the Wii.

the key word here students is 'relative'.

for the people that are having trouble grasping this idea, here it is in point form:

1) Sony had a massiveuser base in Japan prior to this gen

2) MS had a very meager user base in Japan

3) Sony, relative to MS, has totally failed in Japan and sale are nearly comparable when looking at the Wii.

the key word here students is 'relative'.

3picuri3

But Final Fantasy will boost the sales!!!1111

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.Ninja-Vox

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

Socrates88

Whilst I agree with you, someone could make an argument that the 360 is doing better as they are selling significantly more software each month.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.Socrates88

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

no, in reality it is true that MS is better off in Japan than Sony if you're thinking of things in relative terms compared to last gen. I really don't get why people have so much trouble understanding this thread, lol.

here, let me do some sloppy math for example.

John had 1000 apple sales last year, Tony had 10.

This year John sold 20 apples and Tony sold 15.

John is selling more apples than Tony, but for the love of god -- look how many he sold last year!!! And LOOK! Tony's sales are up! Looks like Tony is faring better than John this year.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

cakeorrdeath

Whilst I agree with you, someone could make an argument that the 360 is doing better as they are selling significantly more software each month.

We still talking about Japan. Must...stay...on...topic.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

Socrates88

Whilst I agree with you, someone could make an argument that the 360 is doing better as they are selling significantly more software each month.

We still talking about Japan. Must...stay...on...topic.

Yes. They are selling significantly more software in Japan each month.

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

Socrates88

Whilst I agree with you, someone could make an argument that the 360 is doing better as they are selling significantly more software each month.

We still talking about Japan. Must...stay...on...topic.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.3picuri3

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

no, in reality it is true that MS is better off in Japan than Sony if you're thinking of things in relative terms compared to last gen. I really don't get why people have so much trouble understanding this thread, lol.

Bold text. Think about it.

Its funny to see how many fanboys actually have no knowledge of the hobby they back so blindly. All I see in this thread is FF this, FF that. Final Fantasy is not going to save the PS3 alone, along with other JRPG's. Sony needs to start bringing out japanese niche titles now and fast.

Another thing is the size of the PS3 itself, most Japanese homes are very small and space constrained. Lastly is the price, although it is cheaper in japan PS3 needs to drop some more.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

cakeorrdeath

Whilst I agree with you, someone could make an argument that the 360 is doing better as they are selling significantly more software each month.

We still talking about Japan. Must...stay...on...topic.

Yes. They are selling significantly more software in Japan each month.

Really? I would love to see a chart please.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.Socrates88

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

no, in reality it is true that MS is better off in Japan than Sony if you're thinking of things in relative terms compared to last gen. I really don't get why people have so much trouble understanding this thread, lol.

Bold text. Think about it.

i have nothing to think about, read my poor math example, I think you're having some problems with the basic point of this thread :) or maybe read the rest of the post you bolded a section of. for a man with socrates in his name you sure put the whole idea of free thought to shame :P

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[QUOTE="Socrates88"]I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.Socrates88

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

You completely missed the point. I'm not saying microsoft is doing better, i'm saying Sony's failure is greater than Microsoft's, as all Microsoft have done is fail to improve. Sony have gone from total dominance to sales in the same ball park as the 360, though still better.

Really? I would love to see a chart please.

Socrates88

*Racks brain trying to remmerber where I saw it.

Hold on I'll try my best

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]I agree with the OP, but kinda puts this negative light as if Microsoft is okay...I'll talk a professional baseball player in a slump than a Minor league bench warmer.Ninja-Vox

Of course Microsoft isn't ok. When did i say that exactly? :|

Well, bringing the fact that Sony is failing harder than Microsoft is the inverse of saying Microsoft is doing better than Sony.In actuality, that's not the case.

You completely missed the point. I'm not saying microsoft is doing better, i'm saying Sony's failure is greater than Microsoft's, as all Microsoft have done is fail to improve. Sony have gone from total dominance to sales in the same ball park as the 360, though still better.

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

We still talking about Japan. Must...stay...on...topic.

Socrates88

He is on topic. The 360, while still having awful sales, frequently has software in the top 50. Sony on the other hand, do not. Before fanboys jump at me, i'm not saying that wont change. For the time being however, that is the case.

Why do you assume that because people are buying Wii's, that they automatically don't want a PS3?

Your logic that the PS3 would continue to sell 8-10k a month even if the Wii was pulled is broken. The Wii is directly affecting PS3 sales, if the PS3 wasn't there they'd be buying another console. Do you think that console would be the 360? If there was no Wii, the PS3 would be selling more than double what it is.

Of course it wouldn't sell as much as the Wii is, but it would be selling much more.

Now, going off what I originally stated. Go take a look at the Famitsu most wanted list. Those PS3 games on that list don't mean nothing. People want to play those games, when enough of those games drop sales will increase. That's just common sense.

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

3picuri3

That was the point of the thread. I was hoping to get into a discussion on how Sony could improve this, but instead i got fanboys accusing me of being a lemming and arguing about how the PS3's sales are in fact, contrary to even the most basic common sense, doing really well.

Why do you assume that because people are buying Wii's, that they automatically don't want a PS3?

Your logic that the PS3 would continue to sell 8-10k a month even if the Wii was pulled is broken. The Wii is directly affecting PS3 sales, if the PS3 wasn't there they'd be buying another console. Do you think that console would be the 360? If there was no Wii, the PS3 would be selling more than double what it is.

Of course it wouldn't sell as much as the Wii is, but it would be selling much more.

Now, going off what I originally stated. Go take a look at the Famitsu most wanted list. Those PS3 games on that list don't mean nothing. People want to play those games, when enough of those games drop sales will increase. That's just common sense.

purplemidgets

That's highly speculative. Too many people are taking the Wii coming off the shelves thing literally; it was intended to demonstrate how vast the gap is in sales. I'm not saying that would actually happen, which i hoped would be common sense. Come on, guys.

As for your point, you're being just as speculative as i am. People are buying Wiis because they dont want a PS3 vs People would totally buy a PS3 if it weren't for the Wii. Nobody knows what motivates people to buy a console. But it's all irrelevant because you're talking about a "what if it was like this..." sort of scenario. The cold, hard, sales figures are right there.

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

3picuri3

Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

Ninja-Vox

That was the point of the thread. I was hoping to get into a discussion on how Sony could improve this, but instead i got fanboys accusing me of being a lemming and arguing about how the PS3's sales are in fact, contrary to even the most basic common sense, doing really well.

i don't think it was a problem with your original post, just seems people around here can't think in relative terms :)

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

Ninja-Vox

That was the point of the thread. I was hoping to get into a discussion on how Sony could improve this, but instead i got fanboys accusing me of being a lemming and arguing about how the PS3's sales are in fact, contrary to even the most basic common sense, doing really well.

Trust me I already know the conclusion of this arguement as Sony is not worried about Microsoft in Japan.

Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?

Socrates88

the thread was pointing out (very clearly in my mind) that Sony has failed more than MS has in Japan this gen when compared to last gen. So in relative terms, Sony is nosediving, while MS is kinda.. gliding.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

Socrates88

That was the point of the thread. I was hoping to get into a discussion on how Sony could improve this, but instead i got fanboys accusing me of being a lemming and arguing about how the PS3's sales are in fact, contrary to even the most basic common sense, doing really well.

Trust me I already know the conclusion of this arguement as Sony is not worried about Microsoft in Japan.

why does that matter? lol. please elaborate.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

Socrates88

Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?

The purpose of the thread has been explained to you in incredibly simple terms multiple times. :| That sony's failure in Japan has been even greater than microsoft's. Why did this happen and how can they fix it? Simple as that.

Oh really? What fanboy am i, please? I'd love to know. Because the otherday i had lemmings yelling at me for bashing Microsoft's build quality. But now i guess i must be a lemming because you cant make a point without me destroying it, right?

There's logic for ya.

I'd also love to know what your point is. You clearly dont know what a trend is, because you say a spike is a trend. It's the opposite. Also, the Wii goes in loops of sales go down, a shipment comes in and then BAM up they go again. The PS3 is consistantly poor. It does indeed have increases when games come out; as anyone would expect.

So what's your point? You think Final Fantasy alone will increase sales ten-fold?

personally i think your a atari fanboy but taht is my opinion. also my point of your graph shows that once games that ppl like, ppl will buy it. but if no games that interest them they wont buy it.butdo i think ff will sell 10time fold in JA? the answer is no, but i do thnk it will sell alot during itscourse but then again that is just my opinion. my point of my threads was to show you that no games =no sell . and i did thatfrom showing you how Gundom musou gave spike in sellswhen it was released. so if a game like that one can do it, i cant evenimaginewhat FF will do forthe ps3.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Really? I would love to see a chart please.

cakeorrdeath

*Racks brain trying to remmerber where I saw it.

Hold on I'll try my best

Can't find it but if you just look through the last few months of Media Create figures you will see that 360 regularly gets titles in the top 30 whilst the PS3 hasn't had a single title since Gundam Musou.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

MS has improved, slightly, but it is an improvement.

Here's another sloppy math example (not actual figures):

MS = +15% increase in sales in Japan this gen

Sony = -500% decrease in sales in Japan this gen

tell me who is doing better relative to last gen - please.

Ninja-Vox

That was the point of the thread. I was hoping to get into a discussion on how Sony could improve this, but instead i got fanboys accusing me of being a lemming and arguing about how the PS3's sales are in fact, contrary to even the most basic common sense, doing really well.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?

3picuri3

the thread was pointing out (very clearly in my mind) that Sony has failed more than MS has in Japan this gen when compared to last gen. So in relative terms, Sony is nosediving, while MS is kinda.. gliding.

The post was very clear. Is it not true that "gliding" is better than "nosediving"?

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Really? I would love to see a chart please.

cakeorrdeath

*Racks brain trying to remmerber where I saw it.

Hold on I'll try my best

Can't find it but if you just look through the last few months of Media Create figures you will see that 360 regularly gets titles in the top 30 whilst the PS3 hasn't had a single title since Gundam Musou.

I'll research that later.

personally i think your a atari fanboy but taht is my opinion. also my point of your graph shows that once games that ppl like, ppl will buy it. but if no games that interest them they wont buy it.butdo i think ff will sell 10time fold in JA? the answer is no, but i do thnk it will sell alot during itscourse but then again that is just my opinion. my point of my threads was to show you that no games =no sell . and i did thatfrom showing you how Gundom musou gave spike in sellswhen it was released. so if a game like that one can do it, i cant evenimaginewhat FF will do forthe ps3. alfy13

No offense, but no you didn't. Your opening statement clearly shows that you've just responded blindly to everything. "atari fanboy" goes to show that you blindly called me a fanboy while having no idea what you were talking about. And throughout this thread you've had no idea what you're talking about.

No game = no sales.

You think? Thanks for that one, man. I think we're all enlightened now. Explain to me what relevance that has to anything? The simple fact is that the PS3 is failing. And your arguement of "but the software" doesn't hold water, because it would take one absolutely godly game to pull the PS3 out of the hole it's currently in.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?

Socrates88

the thread was pointing out (very clearly in my mind) that Sony has failed more than MS has in Japan this gen when compared to last gen. So in relative terms, Sony is nosediving, while MS is kinda.. gliding.

The post was very clear. Is it not true that "gliding" is better than "nosediving"?

You're seriously verging on a world record of how many times a person can miss the point. I honestly cant explain it to you any simpler without being banned for flaming.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?

Socrates88

the thread was pointing out (very clearly in my mind) that Sony has failed more than MS has in Japan this gen when compared to last gen. So in relative terms, Sony is nosediving, while MS is kinda.. gliding.

The post was very clear. Is it not true that "gliding" is better than "nosediving"?

yes. yes gliding is better than nosediving, which was my point. RELATIVE TO LAST GEN MS IS PERFORMING BETTER THAN SONY.

i cant make this any more simple without drawing pictures :P and i have no tablet right now, heh.

edit: thank google for image search!

SONY IN JAPAN THIS GEN

MS IN JAPAN THIS GEN

[QUOTE="alfy13"]personally i think your a atari fanboy but taht is my opinion. also my point of your graph shows that once games that ppl like, ppl will buy it. but if no games that interest them they wont buy it.butdo i think ff will sell 10time fold in JA? the answer is no, but i do thnk it will sell alot during itscourse but then again that is just my opinion. my point of my threads was to show you that no games =no sell . and i did thatfrom showing you how Gundom musou gave spike in sellswhen it was released. so if a game like that one can do it, i cant evenimaginewhat FF will do forthe ps3. Ninja-Vox

No offense, but no you didn't. Your opening statement clearly shows that you've just responded blindly to everything. "atari fanboy" goes to show that you blindly called me a fanboy while having no idea what you were talking about. And throughout this thread you've had no idea what you're talking about.

No game = no sales.

You think? Thanks for that one, man. I think we're all enlightened now. Explain to me what relevance that has to anything? The simple fact is that the PS3 is failing. And your arguement of "but the software" doesn't hold water, because it would take one absolutely godly game to pull the PS3 out of the hole it's currently in.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]personally i think your a atari fanboy but taht is my opinion. also my point of your graph shows that once games that ppl like, ppl will buy it. but if no games that interest them they wont buy it.butdo i think ff will sell 10time fold in JA? the answer is no, but i do thnk it will sell alot during itscourse but then again that is just my opinion. my point of my threads was to show you that no games =no sell . and i did thatfrom showing you how Gundom musou gave spike in sellswhen it was released. so if a game like that one can do it, i cant evenimaginewhat FF will do forthe ps3. alfy13

No offense, but no you didn't. Your opening statement clearly shows that you've just responded blindly to everything. "atari fanboy" goes to show that you blindly called me a fanboy while having no idea what you were talking about. And throughout this thread you've had no idea what you're talking about.

No game = no sales.

You think? Thanks for that one, man. I think we're all enlightened now. Explain to me what relevance that has to anything? The simple fact is that the PS3 is failing. And your arguement of "but the software" doesn't hold water, because it would take one absolutely godly game to pull the PS3 out of the hole it's currently in.

thread isn't faulty - at no point did anyone say this would continue for 4 years. we're talking about NOW vs. LAST GEN, SONY vs MS, Japan.

explain me this then. do you really think ps3 and 360 will continue to sell poorly forthe next 4 years? i give you ATM PS3 FAILING BADLY i give you that. butthe KEY WORD IS ATM . taht is why your thread is faulty. every thing you base isATM when a console has no good games out ATM . but hey no point of me even quoting you any more. alfy13

This must be getting to you, but you fail again. Because you just spelled out THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD.

Sony are currently dive-bombing. How can they fix this? That was the whole point. You went off on some non-sensical fanboy rant and got owned at every turn, and now you're right back where we started.

Good lord...

EDIT: I also love how you say "there's no point me even quoting you any more..." as if you've been right even ONCE in this entire thread.

I think cows' expectations for FFXIII to push consoles in Japan are unrealistic.

FFXII sold around 2.5 million consoles in Japan. I'll bite: let's assume the impossible and say that everyone who wants FFXIII hasn't bought a PS3 yet. Now let's assume they're ALL willing to purchase a PS3 to play the game.

You're looking at an increase of, oh, 3 million consoles in Japan. That would put the PS3 around 6.5 million worldwide, which is still less than what the Wii has sold right now. Add in another 2.5 million or so for the rest of the world, still assuming the impossible that the game will sell consoles like this, and you're sitting around 9 million. The Wii will have passed that mark MONTHS before the game comes out, and you can bet your ass that system sales aren't going to stay elevated because one great game came out for it.

And that's assuming that EVERYONE who wants Final Fantasy 13 doesn't already have a PS3, and are willing to buy one when it comes out.

Face it, cows: Sony will always be behind this gen.

EDIT: Edited for clarifications.