Sony has failed in Japan to an even greater degree than Microsoft

Awesome post TC, never thought about it that way. But, the real question I want answered is how Sony fell from the throne and is letting the 360 and Wii take up their spots on it. Did the hype kill it? To me the failure of the PS3 makes no sense everyone was hyped for it across the world, and Wii is currently beating it like nothing ever before. I own a 360 BTW, I just want Sony to actually do dencetly this gen and turn a bit of a profit to make the PS4.The_Pumes

That was the question i was asking with this thread. Sadly so many fanboys just read the title and charged in however.

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

Socrates88

[QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

FlamingFlamingo

[QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

alfy13

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yes, but not because of software. The Wii is selling well because it's affordable, well-marketed, has some good games (but not great...) and is approachable. This is what the PS3 needs. Your beloved Final Fantasy will not turn things around, man. That's the crux of this whole arguement. You go on about games, but that cant save the PS3 by itself. It needs a marketing overhaul, a price cut and a serious change in strategy.

Ninja-Vox I tried my best to steer the discussion in the right direction, but my post got lost on the previous page. :lol:Vyse_The_Daring

Thank you, but it's beyond that. There are too many people trying to undo their own idiocy. Thanks though, man. The people who got the whole point where in the majority, it's just the few people who couldn't get their heads around the simple fact that this isn't a fanboy post which ruined the thread.

Never mind.

[QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

alfy13

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yeah but change to what degree? The Wii has been selling amazingly since launch and the PS3 has not. The Wii WILL surpass the 360 by the end of 2007 (my personal prediction), however the PS3 can't really pick up sales.

What people don't understand is that a price drop ISN'T COMING, Sony simply can't afford to lose even more money on production costs, and reducing thier profit margin even more is not appealing to any business.

No games and people wonder why hardly any systems sold. CyanX73

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]

Stop trying to fall back on a speculative paragraph of fanboy dribble. You use PS3 CURRENT sales trend but where you fail is in relaising sales rate WILL change.

You fall apart on yourself.

Ninja-Vox

Again, i said that already. :| You're making yourself look like an idiot, man. Read the post.

If we should speak about idiocy, then you take the crown for making such outlandish predictions so early :|

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

Ninja-Vox

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yes, but not because of software. The Wii is selling well because it's affordable, well-marketed, has some good games (but not great...) and is approachable. This is what the PS3 needs. Your beloved Final Fantasy will not turn things around, man. That's the crux of this whole arguement. You go on about games, but that cant save the PS3 by itself. It needs a marketing overhaul, a price cut and a serious change in strategy.

YAY! Someone who understands logic!! Every system right now has great games, but the price is the factor that all casuals, and mild gamers look for when buying a system.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

FlamingFlamingo

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yeah but change to what degree? The Wii has been selling amazingly since launch and the PS3 has not. The Wii WILL surpass the 360 by the end of 2007 (my personal prediction), however the PS3 can't really pick up sales.

What people don't understand is that a price drop ISN'T COMING, Sony simply can't afford to lose even more money on production costs, and reducing thier profit margin even more is not appealing to any business.

If they can't drop the price I will say this PS3 is cornered. They better have an excellent marketing strategy later on this gen if they hope to compete with 360 and Wii's marketing. the reason the PS3 is not selling is because of the price. Get it through your heads, i could buy myself a nice LCD HDTV for $500 to $600. I want a PS ,but the real main thing which stops me is the price.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

FlamingFlamingo

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yeah but change to what degree? The Wii has been selling amazingly since launch and the PS3 has not. The Wii WILL surpass the 360 by the end of 2007 (my personal prediction), however the PS3 can't really pick up sales.

What people don't understand is that a price drop ISN'T COMING, Sony simply can't afford to lose even more money on production costs, and reducing thier profit margin even more is not appealing to any business.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Armored_cell"]

Stop trying to fall back on a speculative paragraph of fanboy dribble. You use PS3 CURRENT sales trend but where you fail is in relaising sales rate WILL change.

You fall apart on yourself.

Armored_cell

Again, i said that already. :| You're making yourself look like an idiot, man. Read the post.

If we should speak about idiocy, then you take the crown for making such outlandish predictions so early :|

What predictions have i made? I asked for a discussion on how Sony can turn around their current problems in Japan. READ THE POST. Honestly....

I edited the first post to make it easier for the kids.Ninja-Vox

Wonder why only X360 fanboys agree with you? because most don;t think PS3 has potential. So when somebody disagrees with you because of your lack of clarity on your idiotic post don't call them a "kid" :|, kid.

oh really? well the 360 was 8 mill when the wii was releaseed, now its only 2mil ahead of the wii. and yes wii is selling awesome, no one can deny that. but yet ps3 only has 2 good games out for it that JA likes but yet continues to sell. if sony can still continue to sell over the 360 with no games at all. then what happens when sony comes out wtih a AAA game that JA likes. So far PS3 has not come out with a AAA game yet that JA likes. alfy13

You keep repeating this same point over and over. If it's all down to software, why the hell is the Wii winning? It has hardly any decent games at all. The wii is winning because of excellent marketing, affordable price, quirky gameplay and good PR. Like you keep saying about "the games" but all that's really coming is Final Fantasy. Even if there were more, some good games on the horizon will not increase PS3 sales to the degreee that they need to compete with the Wii. They need more than just games at this point.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

Ninja-Vox

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yes, but not because of software. The Wii is selling well because it's affordable, well-marketed, has some good games (but not great...) and is approachable. This is what the PS3 needs. Your beloved Final Fantasy will not turn things around, man. That's the crux of this whole arguement. You go on about games, but that cant save the PS3 by itself. It needs a marketing overhaul, a price cut and a serious change in strategy.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I edited the first post to make it easier for the kids.Armored_cell

Wonder why only X360 fanboys agree with you? because most don;t think PS3 has potential. So when somebody disagrees with you because of your lack of clarity on your idiotic post don't call them a "kid" :|, kid.

I dont know what you're problem is, but if you actually READ the post, the whole point is that Sony has fallen from a huge advantage in Japan to being a failure. I asked what they can do to fix this, and why it happened to begin with.

So what the hell is your problem? Why is the post so idiot? What exactly have you taken such huge exception to that you stormed in here with the flames on? I haven't even bashed your freakin' console.

Grow up, man.

EDIT: i can tell you're a complete fanboy because you automatically bring "lemmings" into something which DARES to question the success of the PS3. Then you go off on one about my "crazy predictions". What have i predicted exactly? What a fanboy...

[QUOTE="-Beowulf"]Yeah, you can claim the Xbox 360 is failing in Japan all you want, and it is, but no one in their right mind expected it to do good there. Sony, on the other hand, used to be the dominant presence in Japan, and everyone expected them to do just as well this gen. And, well, they're failing miserably.Ninja-Vox

That was the point. I dont understand why this fool keeps saying "but it's still doing better than the 360" as if anybody has said otherwise.

And I agree with Beowulf statment. I wanted to know what was the reason for the comparions of the 360 to the PS3? Yet, I still didn't get an answer. Honestly, just by comparing the PS2 to the PS3 shows the PS3 is not doing well...

[QUOTE="alfy13"]oh really? well the 360 was 8 mill when the wii was releaseed, now its only 2mil ahead of the wii. and yes wii is selling awesome, no one can deny that. but yet ps3 only has 2 good games out for it that JA likes but yet continues to sell. if sony can still continue to sell over the 360 with no games at all. then what happens when sony comes out wtih a AAA game that JA likes. So far PS3 has not come out with a AAA game yet that JA likes. Ninja-Vox

You keep repeating this same point over and over. If it's all down to software, why the hell is the Wii winning? It has hardly any decent games at all. The wii is winning because of excellent marketing, affordable price, quirky gameplay and good PR. Like you keep saying about "the games" but all that's really coming is Final Fantasy. Even if there were more, some good games on the horizon will not increase PS3 sales to the degreee that they need to compete with the Wii. They need more than just games at this point.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]

Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.

alfy13

The Big Picture? If you look at the BIG PICTURE, then Microsoft is actually winning, with Sony in third. Any smart person would know that since the 360 has both a time and price advantage, along with a more diverse library, it will continue to sell more than the PS3.

Yes, but not because of software. The Wii is selling well because it's affordable, well-marketed, has some good games (but not great...) and is approachable. This is what the PS3 needs. Your beloved Final Fantasy will not turn things around, man. That's the crux of this whole arguement. You go on about games, but that cant save the PS3 by itself. It needs a marketing overhaul, a price cut and a serious change in strategy.

read my post above

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="-Beowulf"]Yeah, you can claim the Xbox 360 is failing in Japan all you want, and it is, but no one in their right mind expected it to do good there. Sony, on the other hand, used to be the dominant presence in Japan, and everyone expected them to do just as well this gen. And, well, they're failing miserably.Socrates88

That was the point. I dont understand why this fool keeps saying "but it's still doing better than the 360" as if anybody has said otherwise.

And I agree with Beowulf statment. I wanted to know what was the reason for the comparions of the 360 to the PS3? Yet, I still didn't get an answer. Honestly, just by comparing the PS2 to the PS3 shows the PS3 is not doing well...

The comparison was to show the extent to which the PS3 failed. And i did answer. Ages ago. People often go on about the PS3 beating the 360 in Japan, however my point was that though the 360 is clearly a failure, the PS3 is too, and arguably to a greater degree because its sale are a fraction of what they SHOULD be.

I've said that so many times to you now it's getting silly...

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I edited the first post to make it easier for the kids.Ninja-Vox

Wonder why only X360 fanboys agree with you? because most don;t think PS3 has potential. So when somebody disagrees with you because of your lack of clarity on your idiotic post don't call them a "kid" :|, kid.

I dont know what you're problem is, but if you actually READ the post, the whole point is that Sony has fallen from a huge advantage in Japan to being a failure. I asked what they can do to fix this, and why it happened to begin with.

So what the hell is your problem? Why is the post so idiot? What exactly have you taken such huge exception to that you stormed in here with the flames on? I haven't even bashed your freakin' console.

Grow up, man.

Point is, yes Sony has fallen( in comparison to PS2 and how Wii is doing NOT X360)BUT they have barely started.

If you think I'm worried about you bashing PS3 you are confused and wrong. Bash all you want. I do it to. I call it how I see it. My PS3 has been boring me for a long time until for some reason Istarted playign armored core 4 :| and possibly motorstom if the update comes today.

Point is, yes Sony has fallen BUT they have barely started.

Armored_cell

What relevance does that have to the thread? I'll respect you if you can admit, just like the other guy, you saw the topic title and stormed in without the slightest clue as to what the thread was even about. Sure, they've just started. Heck, that was my whole point. RIGHT NOW, they're doing terribly, what can they do to fix this for the FUTURE. That was the whole point. And that's why i dont understand fanboys yelling and accusing me of bashing the PS3 or praising the 360. I've done neither.

And you know it.

[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]I edited the first post to make it easier for the kids.Ninja-Vox

Wonder why only X360 fanboys agree with you? because most don;t think PS3 has potential. So when somebody disagrees with you because of your lack of clarity on your idiotic post don't call them a "kid" :|, kid.

I dont know what you're problem is, but if you actually READ the post, the whole point is that Sony has fallen from a huge advantage in Japan to being a failure. I asked what they can do to fix this, and why it happened to begin with.

So what the hell is your problem? Why is the post so idiot? What exactly have you taken such huge exception to that you stormed in here with the flames on? I haven't even bashed your freakin' console.

Grow up, man.

EDIT: i can tell you're a complete fanboy because you automatically bring "lemmings" into something which DARES to question the success of the PS3. Then you go off on one about my "crazy predictions". What have i predicted exactly? What a fanboy...

Its pretty obvious why Wii is selling well right now. its a new type of game play . heck even my wife wants it because its so interactive. she doesnt care because its cheap. she just wants it, because she never played a console where you can swing the control around like a sword. in fact my friends who have bought the wii only bought it for that type of game play. but since then they all bought a 360 or a ps3 as their main console.

I'm off to watch the finale of prison break. I will return in one hour, when hopefully the fanboys will have calmed down and realised i'm not saying the ps3 is bad or that the 360 is better in any way.

READ. THE. POST guys. It's vital

I'm off to watch the finale of prison break.

Ninja-Vox

Lmao.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

I'm off to watch the finale of prison break.

crazyjames1080

Lmao.

wii is selling bc its cheap, ps3 will sell many with MGS4 and FF which is what japan is waiting for, and wii wont sell like this forever, not only that the wiii will be off the shelves in about 4 years whlie ps3 will be on shelves for 8-10 years, sony will win in the long run easily. Also we are in a transition to HD, andps3 is here now and waiting for the full transition.

[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="-Beowulf"]Yeah, you can claim the Xbox 360 is failing in Japan all you want, and it is, but no one in their right mind expected it to do good there. Sony, on the other hand, used to be the dominant presence in Japan, and everyone expected them to do just as well this gen. And, well, they're failing miserably.Ninja-Vox

That was the point. I dont understand why this fool keeps saying "but it's still doing better than the 360" as if anybody has said otherwise.

And I agree with Beowulf statment. I wanted to know what was the reason for the comparions of the 360 to the PS3? Yet, I still didn't get an answer. Honestly, just by comparing the PS2 to the PS3 shows the PS3 is not doing well...

The comparison was to show the extent to which the PS3 failed. And i did answer. Ages ago. People often go on about the PS3 beating the 360 in Japan, however my point was that though the 360 is clearly a failure, the PS3 is too, and arguably to a greater degree because its sale are a fraction of what they SHOULD be.

I've said that so many times to you now it's getting silly...

You're right every rebuttal has been an excuse or an attempt to change the topic.

Sure it's not set in stone, but as of now the PS3 is failling to greater degree becuase it lost something it once had, something MS never had.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="-Beowulf"]Yeah, you can claim the Xbox 360 is failing in Japan all you want, and it is, but no one in their right mind expected it to do good there. Sony, on the other hand, used to be the dominant presence in Japan, and everyone expected them to do just as well this gen. And, well, they're failing miserably.demoralizer

That was the point. I dont understand why this fool keeps saying "but it's still doing better than the 360" as if anybody has said otherwise.

And I agree with Beowulf statment. I wanted to know what was the reason for the comparions of the 360 to the PS3? Yet, I still didn't get an answer. Honestly, just by comparing the PS2 to the PS3 shows the PS3 is not doing well...

The comparison was to show the extent to which the PS3 failed. And i did answer. Ages ago. People often go on about the PS3 beating the 360 in Japan, however my point was that though the 360 is clearly a failure, the PS3 is too, and arguably to a greater degree because its sale are a fraction of what they SHOULD be.

I've said that so many times to you now it's getting silly...

You're right every rebuttal has been an excuse or an attempt to change the topic.

Sure it's not set in stone, but as of now the PS3 is failling to greater degree becuase it lost something it once had, something MS never had.

The sad thing is I never rebuttal his OP. I actually agreed with it.

The ps2 continues to do well in japan and has the games so why would sony be failing if between the ps2 and 3 it's making more money than nintendo and ms combined??

Now if the ps2 stops selling along with software and the ps3 is stillselling slowly thenI could see sony flopping. As for the xbox and 360both have flopped badly in japan and the wii is the 1st ray of light for nintendo. Sony is still the market leader no matter how you look at it right now. Nice flame bait though lol.

The ps2 continues to do well in japan and has the games so why would sony be failing if between the ps2 and 3 it's making more money than nintendo and ms combined??

Now if the ps2 stops selling along with software and the ps3 is stillselling slowly thenI could see sony flopping. As for the xbox and 360both have flopped badly in japan and the wii is the 1st ray of light for nintendo. Sony is still the market leader no matter how you look at it right now. Nice flame bait though lol.

BrooklynBomber

Sony plans on supporting the PS3 for many years to come. Sony is also not too worried about its console sales just yet because they know there are a couple million possible buyers that are waiting for Sony to drop the price on their console and for the exclusives to hit. In my opinion, the Wii is doing awesome in Japan solely because of the low price. If the PS3 were to cost 200+ dollars cheaper, it would be flying off of shelves. MS on the other hand has no chance of taking first place in Japan let alone second even though it has hundreds of great titles to choose from and a whole 200 dollars cheaper than the PS3. It's also possible that gamers in Japan are buying Wii's simply to hold them off until the PS3 receives a price drop. In short, Sony has not failed in Japan simply because the console has a CHANCE of selling well in the future. MS on the other hand, has no chance in hell.

[QUOTE="alfy13"]i am kind of lost in your logic. a system with lots of game is failing harder then the system that has fewer games . so who is really failing here?cakeorrdeath

I assume it is the fall from grace factor. The Xbox never had a market in Japan where as the Playstation used to be the dominant system.

And the fact the are both flat linning, so neither is sucesseding.

[QUOTE="demoralizer"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="-Beowulf"]

Socrates88

The comparison was to show the extent to which the PS3 failed. And i did answer. Ages ago. People often go on about the PS3 beating the 360 in Japan, however my point was that though the 360 is clearly a failure, the PS3 is too, and arguably to a greater degree because its sale are a fraction of what they SHOULD be.

I've said that so many times to you now it's getting silly...

You're right every rebuttal has been an excuse or an attempt to change the topic.

Sure it's not set in stone, but as of now the PS3 is failling to greater degree becuase it lost something it once had, something MS never had.

The sad thing is I never rebuttal his OP. I actually agreed with it.

If you never have then I wasn't referring to you. But to the TC and his point.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"]

The ps2 continues to do well in japan and has the games so why would sony be failing if between the ps2 and 3 it's making more money than nintendo and ms combined??

Now if the ps2 stops selling along with software and the ps3 is stillselling slowly thenI could see sony flopping. As for the xbox and 360both have flopped badly in japan and the wii is the 1st ray of light for nintendo. Sony is still the market leader no matter how you look at it right now. Nice flame bait though lol.

hamstergeddon

Where is the valid point ?

The tc ignores the ps2 that everybody knows is outselling the 360 in japan hell even the ps3 is outselling the 360 in japan and says sony has failed??

If that is a failure then I am sure ms would love to fail like sony in japan and have 40millionconsoles sold in japan with software to match. I love how fanboys forget about the ps2 lol to make flame bait. Even in america the ps2 still owns with most people not even owning a "next" gen console. The cube is dead the xbox is dead so lems and sheep wish the ps2 was dead also I guess.