Its important to make a good first impression, this applies in many cases.
Sony has failed in Japan to an even greater degree than Microsoft
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[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="alfy13"]personally i think your a atari fanboy but taht is my opinion. also my point of your graph shows that once games that ppl like, ppl will buy it. but if no games that interest them they wont buy it.butdo i think ff will sell 10time fold in JA? the answer is no, but i do thnk it will sell alot during itscourse but then again that is just my opinion. my point of my threads was to show you that no games =no sell . and i did thatfrom showing you how Gundom musou gave spike in sellswhen it was released. so if a game like that one can do it, i cant evenimaginewhat FF will do forthe ps3. 3picuri3
No offense, but no you didn't. Your opening statement clearly shows that you've just responded blindly to everything. "atari fanboy" goes to show that you blindly called me a fanboy while having no idea what you were talking about. And throughout this thread you've had no idea what you're talking about.
No game = no sales.
You think? Thanks for that one, man. I think we're all enlightened now. Explain to me what relevance that has to anything? The simple fact is that the PS3 is failing. And your arguement of "but the software" doesn't hold water, because it would take one absolutely godly game to pull the PS3 out of the hole it's currently in.
explain me this then. do you really think ps3 and 360 will continue to sell poorly forthe next 4 years? i give you ATM PS3 FAILING BADLY i give you that. butthe KEY WORD IS ATM . taht is why your thread is faulty. every thing you base isATM when a console has no good games out ATM . but hey no point of me even quoting you any more.thread isn't faulty - at no point did anyone say this would continue for 4 years. we're talking about NOW vs. LAST GEN, SONY vs MS, Japan.
oh really ? then why did vox even mention about if Wii was pulled off the shelves it would take the ps3 4years to catch up at the rate its going? its pretty obvious we are talking about the next 4years. so yes this thread is faulty.oh really ? then why did vox even mention about if Wii was pulled off the shelves it would take the ps3 4years to catch up at the rate its going? its pretty obvious we are talking about the next 4years. so yes this thread is faulty.alfy13
Again you have COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT. The Wii being taken off the shelves is intended to demonstrate how vast the gap is between sony and nintendo sales RIGHT NOW. Hence emphasis on "IF" the Wii were to be taken off the shelves.
Guess why i ended with? "what can they do to change this?" - Because that was the whole point. The PS3 isn't doomed. They can do something to fix the situation, but what?
You're amazing. You really are.
[QUOTE="alfy13"] explain me this then. do you really think ps3 and 360 will continue to sell poorly forthe next 4 years? i give you ATM PS3 FAILING BADLY i give you that. butthe KEY WORD IS ATM . taht is why your thread is faulty. every thing you base isATM when a console has no good games out ATM . but hey no point of me even quoting you any more. Ninja-Vox
This must be getting to you, but you fail again. Because you just spelled out THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD.
Sony are currently dive-bombing. How can they fix this? That was the whole point. You went off on some non-sensical fanboy rant and got owned at every turn, and now you're right back where we started.
Good lord...
EDIT: I also love how you say "there's no point me even quoting you any more..." as if you've been right even ONCE in this entire thread.
but you never anwered my quetions. do you honestly think in the next 4years that the ps3 and 360 will sell this badly when more games out for each system? taht is my question you keep avoiding . you keep saying that software wont do anything for the ps3. but then i showed you a game like Gundam Musou which isnt even a game like FF, Lost odessey hype lvl . but a game like that can sell system, then whats makes you think those 2 games i that i listed wont do the same. infact its pretty obvious those games will sell alot of systems. but i find it weird that you pick a point in time of a console which only been out for 7 months not to even come out with a system selling game to determine how the next 4years will look for it. taht is why there is not reason for me to quote you any more. because im beating a dead horse talking to you.
[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?
Ninja-Vox
the thread was pointing out (very clearly in my mind) that Sony has failed more than MS has in Japan this gen when compared to last gen. So in relative terms, Sony is nosediving, while MS is kinda.. gliding.
The post was very clear. Is it not true that "gliding" is better than "nosediving"?
You're seriously verging on a world record of how many times a person can miss the point. I honestly cant explain it to you any simpler without being banned for flaming.
ROFLMAO! I feel you man. i swear I feel you.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="alfy13"] explain me this then. do you really think ps3 and 360 will continue to sell poorly forthe next 4 years? i give you ATM PS3 FAILING BADLY i give you that. butthe KEY WORD IS ATM . taht is why your thread is faulty. every thing you base isATM when a console has no good games out ATM . but hey no point of me even quoting you any more. alfy13
This must be getting to you, but you fail again. Because you just spelled out THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD.
Sony are currently dive-bombing. How can they fix this? That was the whole point. You went off on some non-sensical fanboy rant and got owned at every turn, and now you're right back where we started.
Good lord...
EDIT: I also love how you say "there's no point me even quoting you any more..." as if you've been right even ONCE in this entire thread.
but you never anwered my quetions. do you honestly think in the next 4years that the ps3 and 360 will sell this badly when more games out for each system? taht is my question you keep avoiding . you keep saying that software wont do anything for the ps3. but then i showed you a game like Gundam Musou which isnt even a game like FF, Lost odessey hype lvl . but a game like that can sell system, then whats makes you think those 2 games i that i listed wont do the same. infact its pretty obvious those games will sell alot of systems. but i find it weird that you pick a point in time of a console which only been out for 7 months not to even come out with a system selling game to determine how the next 4years will look for it. taht is why there is not reason for me to quote you any more. because im beating a dead horse talking to you.He never said they would fail for the next 4 years. He's just asking how Sony can try to help their status in Japan.
but you never anwered my quetions. do you honestly think in the next 4years that the ps3 and 360 will sell this badly when more games out for each system? taht is my question you keep avoiding . you keep saying that software wont do anything for the ps3. but then i showed you a game like Gundam Musou which isnt even a game like FF, Lost odessey hype lvl . but a game like that can sell system, then whats makes you think those 2 games i that i listed wont do the same. infact its pretty obvious those games will sell alot of systems. but i find it weird that you pick a point in time of a console which only been out for 7 months not to even come out with a system selling game to determine how the next 4years will look for it. taht is why there is not reason for me to quote you any more. because im beating a dead horse talking to you. alfy13
You are a brick wall. You really, really are. I've explained the point to you so many times, and reading this post honestly made my jaw drop. Honest to god.
NO. THEY WILL NOT SELL AT THE SAME LOW RATE BECAUSE MORE GAMES WILL COME OUT. SALES WILL STILL BE BAD HOWEVER, AS SONY NEEDS SOMETHING HUGE TO PULL THE PS3 OUT OF THE HOLE IT IS CURRENTLY IN. SOFTWARE ALONE CANNOT DO IT. WHAT CAN THEY DO TO FIX THE CURRENT SITUATION?
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD.
If you respond with another post which completely flies off the whole point, i'm not going to bother responding. This is getting rediculous.
I'm sure others agree. I've never come across anyone on System Wars who's failed to see the point of a thread as many times as you have.
also ninja vox. i want y ou to list every single game out in japan for me. then i want you to tell me why the ps3 is nose diving. its pretty obvious once you post the games that are avaiable of the ps3 ATM . if you cant see why the ps3 is nose diving, then like i said im just beating a dead horse. but let me give you a tip
ITS'S NOT THE PRICE THAT IS MAKING THE PS3 NOSE DIVE IN JAPAN . any how im done off to lunch.
[QUOTE="alfy13"]but you never anwered my quetions. do you honestly think in the next 4years that the ps3 and 360 will sell this badly when more games out for each system? taht is my question you keep avoiding . you keep saying that software wont do anything for the ps3. but then i showed you a game like Gundam Musou which isnt even a game like FF, Lost odessey hype lvl . but a game like that can sell system, then whats makes you think those 2 games i that i listed wont do the same. infact its pretty obvious those games will sell alot of systems. but i find it weird that you pick a point in time of a console which only been out for 7 months not to even come out with a system selling game to determine how the next 4years will look for it. taht is why there is not reason for me to quote you any more. because im beating a dead horse talking to you. Ninja-Vox
You are a brick wall. You really, really are. I've explained the point to you so many times, and reading this post honestly made my jaw drop. Honest to god.
NO. THEY WILL NOT SELL AT THE SAME LOW RATE BECAUSE MORE GAMES WILL COME OUT. SALES WILL STILL BE BAD HOWEVER, AS SONY NEEDS SOMETHING HUGE TO PULL THE PS3 OUT OF THE HOLE IT IS CURRENTLY IN. SOFTWARE ALONE CANNOT DO IT. WHAT CAN THEY DO TO FIX THE CURRENT SITUATION?
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD.
If you respond with another post which completely flies off the whole point, i'm not going to bother responding. This is getting rediculous.
I'm sure others agree. I've never come across anyone on System Wars who's failed to see the point of a thread as many times as you have.
Back on topic I say a $150-200 price drop. Also they could advertise the 20GB version of the PS3.
also ninja vox. i want y ou to list every single game out in japan for me. then i want you to tell me why the ps3 is nose diving. its pretty obvious once you post the games that are avaiable of the ps3 ATM . if you cant see why the ps3 is nose diving then like i said im just beating a dead horse. but let me give you a tip
ITS'S NOT THE PRICE THAT IS MAKING THE PS3 NOSE DIVE IN JAPAN . any how im done off to lunch.
alfy13
You are absolutely amazing. Honestly. Wow. Just wow.
It is mind blowing that back in 2005 there was so much hype for the ps3,everyone was sure that Sony would dominate the game industry for a 3rd generation,and now they've fallen flat of their faces.
Now hopefully Sony will back off on their arrogance,lies and BS trailers.
[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]Again, I undetstood that and agree. Now, we must think deeper. What was the point of the thread? Is it to say Microsoft is better off than Sony in Japan? Or is this another post of irrelevance in SW?
Ninja-Vox
the thread was pointing out (very clearly in my mind) that Sony has failed more than MS has in Japan this gen when compared to last gen. So in relative terms, Sony is nosediving, while MS is kinda.. gliding.
The post was very clear. Is it not true that "gliding" is better than "nosediving"?
You're seriously verging on a world record of how many times a person can miss the point. I honestly cant explain it to you any simpler without being banned for flaming.
The problem is you can't explain the question I gave you and you are frustrated because I'm making you think. Yes, I agree that Sony is failing worst than Xbox in relative terms of Last gen; however, Sony is still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. Is that not true? If the question you wanted was How can Sony become better in Japan, wouldn't it been a wiser idea to compare Wii sales to PS3? After all, PS3 is beating the xbo360 by a larg margin in japan even after the slump they're taking. Now do you understand that?
Seriously,be prepare to back you argument as far as it needed. You fail to come up with anything else but keep repeating your OP. That means your making a bland assumption about the situation in Japan. Come back to me with better analysts a different point of view that back up your central idea.
[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]How is the PS3 failing in Japan when it is outselling the 360 there on a weekly basis?Ninja-Vox
Because you didn't bother reading the first post. Next.
After skimming through all of this, I actually feel bad for you Ninja. Care to comment on what you think Sony could do to turn things around?
[QUOTE="alfy13"]but you never anwered my quetions. do you honestly think in the next 4years that the ps3 and 360 will sell this badly when more games out for each system? taht is my question you keep avoiding . you keep saying that software wont do anything for the ps3. but then i showed you a game like Gundam Musou which isnt even a game like FF, Lost odessey hype lvl . but a game like that can sell system, then whats makes you think those 2 games i that i listed wont do the same. infact its pretty obvious those games will sell alot of systems. but i find it weird that you pick a point in time of a console which only been out for 7 months not to even come out with a system selling game to determine how the next 4years will look for it. taht is why there is not reason for me to quote you any more. because im beating a dead horse talking to you. Ninja-Vox
You are a brick wall. You really, really are. I've explained the point to you so many times, and reading this post honestly made my jaw drop. Honest to god.
NO. THEY WILL NOT SELL AT THE SAME LOW RATE BECAUSE MORE GAMES WILL COME OUT. SALES WILL STILL BE BAD HOWEVER, AS SONY NEEDS SOMETHING HUGE TO PULL THE PS3 OUT OF THE HOLE IT IS CURRENTLY IN. SOFTWARE ALONE CANNOT DO IT. WHAT CAN THEY DO TO FIX THE CURRENT SITUATION?
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD.
If you respond with another post which completely flies off the whole point, i'm not going to bother responding. This is getting rediculous.
I'm sure others agree. I've never come across anyone on System Wars who's failed to see the point of a thread as many times as you have.
well i answered your question along time ago. only way ps3 can pull its self up is to get more games out , but yet you keep telling me that software isnt going to help. taht is why i dont seem to understand your whole thread.you telling me that software alone cant do it. but what makes you think in the next 4years things will be different?just like the 360 had a year head start it was 8 mil ahead of Wii now its only 2mil ahead of wii. so if wii can close the gap that fast what makes you think SOny cant do the same once more games out for that JA likes? from your graph it looks like they are 3mil ahead of PS3 in japan. you honestly think they cant close that gap when games like FF, MGS, DMC, GT5, . taht is why your whole thread is faulty, the wii shows yoru thread is faulty due to pretty much catching up with the 360 on total sales.
The problem is you can't explain the question I gave you and you are frustrated because I'm making you think. Yes, I agree that Sony is failing worst than Xbox in relative terms of Last gen; however, Sony is still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. Is that not true? If the question you wanted was How can Sony become better in Japan, wouldn't it been a wiser idea to compare Wii sales to PS3? After all, PS3 is beating the xbo360 by a larg margin in japan even after the slump they're taking. Now do you understand that?
Seriously,be prepare to back you argument as far as it needed. You fail to come up with anything else but keep repeating your OP. That means your making a bland assumption about the situation in Japan. Come back to me with better analystor a different point of view that back up your central idea.
Socrates88
Socrates - please just stop. You're not going to get this if you haven't already. You DO NOT understand the topic, we've tried to explain it to you -- and NO there are no flaws in the original TC post.
Just move on to something you're more familiar with, or get acquainted with the word 'relative' and re-read everything in this thread.
I'm sorry, I don't want to sound angry or anything - but we've been really patient with you and you just don't get it.
The problem is you can't explain the question I gave you and you are frustrated because I'm making you think. Yes, I agree that Sony is failing worst than Xbox in relative terms of Last gen; however, Sony is still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. Is that not true? If the question you wanted was How can Sony become better in Japan, wouldn't it been a wiser idea to compare Wii sales to PS3? After all, PS3 is beating the xbo360 by a larg margin in japan even after the slump they're taking. Now do you understand that?
Seriously,be prepare to back you argument as far as it needed. You fail to come up with anything else but keep repeating your OP. That means your making a bland assumption about the situation in Japan. Come back to me with better analysts a different point of view that back up your central idea.
Socrates88
Sorry but no. You're not making me think. Why do you think somebody else posted a quote just laughing at when i said i couldn't possible explain it any simpler? I'm getting frustrated because i've explained the point of this thread to you in terms about as simple as a crayon drawing and you still dont get it.
Sony sales are better than xbox sales right now. That's all great and all, but Sony are still failing in Japan to a greater extent than Microsoft. Why? Because microsoft have managed to maintain their sales (however poor). Sony have lost their sales by an absolutely enormous amount. Therefore, in terms of failure, Sony's is much greater than Microsoft. Their sales right now are better, but that doesn't mean they're a success, because they're a fraction of what they SHOULD be.
It really is THAT simple.
well i answered your question along time ago. only way ps3 can pull its self up is to get more games out , but yet you keep telling me that software isnt going to help. taht is why i dont seem to understand your whole thread.you telling me that software alone cant do it. but what makes you think in the next 4years things will be different?
just like the 360 had a year head start it was 8 mil ahead of Wii now its only 2mil ahead of wii. so if wii can close the gap that fast what makes you think SOny cant do the same once more games out for that JA likes? from your graph it looks like they are 3mil ahead of PS3 in japan. you honestly think they cant close that gap when games like FF, MGS, DMC, GT5, . taht is why your whole thread is faulty, the wii shows yoru thread is faulty due to pretty much catching up with the 360 on total sales.
alfy13
Believe it or not, that's the first post you've made in this entire thread which has had any relevance to the topic. I wish i was joking.
I disagree however, because software alone cannot close this gap. If sony was losing by a small margin, you could say that the big games might help them get the upper hand. They are losing by an absolutely vast margin however. The games you speak of are Final Fantasy and MGS4. MGS has never been a big seller in Japan, and FF cannot single-handedly pull Sony out of the red. One game cannot increase console sales ten-fold. Not even Halo 3, MGS4 and Half-Life 3 all on one disc would do that. You also list the PS3's big games being able to close the gap, as if Wii sales will suddenly halt and allow them to do so. Wii will keep selling too. And wii sales will also spike with the big nintendo games.
My thread isn't faulty at all. And you know this from the number of people laughing at your posts. You've just failed to see the point and are desperate to not look like a fool, hence you ending every single post with "your thread is faulty" in a desperate attempt to make me look like i'm in the wrong.
Sadly, it's not working for you.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]How is the PS3 failing in Japan when it is outselling the 360 there on a weekly basis?Vyse_The_Daring
Because you didn't bother reading the first post. Next.
After skimming through all of this, I actually feel bad for you Ninja. Care to comment on what you think Sony could do to turn things around?
It's amazing how an entire thread can be stopped dead in it's tracks by just two fanboys who cannot comprehend the point of a topic.
However, i would say what they need first and foremost is a price drop. Of course, that's a very stereotypical answer and is probably unrealistic as they already lose so much money.
Maybe a little extreme, but i would honestly think it's a good idea to try a new SKU. One without bly-ray or wi-fi or HDMI maybe. Blu-Ray might be an issue, as games are already released on blu-ray discs, however they may be able to simply compress these to dvds. That could split the market though.
Regardless, they need to try their hardest to make the PS3 more approachable and affordable. It's all very well being the high-class machine, but those who can afford high-class are definately in the minority, and if you've got that kind of money to blow on a games console, you're probably buying all three anyway.
[QUOTE="Socrates88"]The problem is you can't explain the question I gave you and you are frustrated because I'm making you think. Yes, I agree that Sony is failing worst than Xbox in relative terms of Last gen; however, Sony is still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. Is that not true? If the question you wanted was How can Sony become better in Japan, wouldn't it been a wiser idea to compare Wii sales to PS3? After all, PS3 is beating the xbo360 by a larg margin in japan even after the slump they're taking. Now do you understand that?
Seriously,be prepare to back you argument as far as it needed. You fail to come up with anything else but keep repeating your OP. That means your making a bland assumption about the situation in Japan. Come back to me with better analysts a different point of view that back up your central idea.
Ninja-Vox
Sorry but no. You're not making me think. Why do you think somebody else posted a quote just laughing at when i said i couldn't possible explain it any simpler? I'm getting frustrated because i've explained the point of this thread to you in terms about as simple as a crayon drawing and you still dont get it.
Sony sales are better than xbox sales right now. That's all great and all, but Sony are still failing in Japan to a greater extent than Microsoft. Why? Because microsoft have managed to maintain their sales (however poor). Sony have lost their sales by an absolutely enormous amount. Therefore, in terms of failure, Sony's is much greater than Microsoft. Their sales right now are better, but that doesn't mean they're a success, because they're a fraction of what they SHOULD be.
It really is THAT simple.
"I UNDERSTAND YOUR OP AND AGREE WITH IT" maybe bold text should help with the ignorance that you and your fellow buddies are not understand. NOW! I'm asking YOU what was the point of making the thread? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? What revelance does comparing Sony to Microsoft has to do with Sony's inability to sell? Here is a tip for the comprehension challenge. Why would number 1 take advice from number 2 (in relative speaking)?
What needs to be answered is this. Which company dominated last gen? How is the PS3 doing compared to the PS2? How is the 360 doing compared to the Xbox? Which one is closer to how their last gen counterparts? How much will it take to get this gen closer tolast gen? Will it be enough to catch up with the Wii?t2wave
Maybe i should have just had that as my post. I didn't think it would be too hard to comprehend, but i think having any form of "look at these sales vs these sales" immediately provokes response from fanboys to tell you that they aren't as bad as they seem.
Yeah Sure because the ps2 sold less than the XboX in japan :roll:
:lol:
i am kind of lost in your logic. a system with lots of game is failing harder then the system that has fewer games . so who is really failing here?alfy13
Some people would actually read the post (btw good post TC), but you are beyond that, right? He's saying that Sony has lost the dominance it once had, while Microsoft continues to do badly in Japan. Not comparing sales, however, the 360 is doing better than the XBOX, Microsoft just needs to cater more to the Japanese audience.
Next time, read the post.
"I UNDERSTAND YOUR OP AND AGREE WITH IT" maybe bold text should help with the ignorance that you and your fellow buddies are not understand. NOW! I'm asking YOU what was the point of making the thread? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? What revelance does comparing Sony to Microsoft has to do with Sony's inability to sell? Here is a tip for the comprehension challenge. Why would number 1 take advice from number 2 (in relative speaking)?
Socrates88
Does me and "my buddies" not demonstrate to you that maybe, just maybe, you're the one who's confused here and not everybody else like you'd like to think?
What i "are not understand" is the point you're trying to make. "What was the point of making the thread?" you ask. Again, simple. To show people just how vast the sales gap is between Sony and Nintendo, and to show how far they've fallen from their dominance with the PS2. I know lots of people are aware of this already, so i just clarified the current situation with the graph.
After doing so, i asked what people think could be done to turn things around for Sony. That's it. Comparing their current sales to Microsoft's was obviously to show how far their sales had fallen from last gen. I'd have thought that was pretty obvious. Everybody else seemed to get it just fine.
All i can really say to you is :|
[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]How is the PS3 failing in Japan when it is outselling the 360 there on a weekly basis?Ninja-Vox
Because you didn't bother reading the first post. Next.
After skimming through all of this, I actually feel bad for you Ninja. Care to comment on what you think Sony could do to turn things around?
It's amazing how an entire thread can be stopped dead in it's tracks by just two fanboys who cannot comprehend the point of a topic.
However, i would say what they need first and foremost is a price drop. Of course, that's a very stereotypical answer and is probably unrealistic as they already lose so much money.
Maybe a little extreme, but i would honestly think it's a good idea to try a new SKU. One without bly-ray or wi-fi or HDMI maybe. Blu-Ray might be an issue, as games are already released on blu-ray discs, however they may be able to simply compress these to dvds. That could split the market though.
Regardless, they need to try their hardest to make the PS3 more approachable and affordable. It's all very well being the high-class machine, but those who can afford high-class are definately in the minority, and if you've got that kind of money to blow on a games console, you're probably buying all three anyway.
what fanboy do you think i am? btw sony doesnt need a new sku, i already told you why ps3 is not selling well. do you honestly think ppl inJA wil buy the ps3 if it was cheaper and still had no games out that they like? sorry but only the hardcore only guys buy a cosole with no games out when its first launched. i think most ppl like to wait for the games to come out. but that is just my opinion. probably why JA doesnt buy the 360, they probably think no good games will come out for it besides Lost Odessey. personally i think they are missing out on a good console.i was happy with just my 360 until sony gamer day videos convinced me to get the ps3. but i was going to wait till next year to get one but due to those videos, i ended up getting one.
what fanboy do you think i am? btw sony doesnt need a new sku, i already told you why ps3 is not selling well. do you honestly think ppl inJA wil buy the ps3 if it was cheaper and still had no games out that they like? sorry but only the hardcore only guys buy a cosole with no games out when its first launched. i think most ppl like to wait for the games to come out. but that is just my opinion. probably why JA doesnt buy the 360, they probably think no good games will come out for it besides Lost Odessey. personally i think they are missing out on a good console.
i was happy with just my 360 until sony gamer day videos convinced me to get the ps3. but i was going to wait till next year to get one but due to those videos, i ended up getting one.
alfy13
You're devoid of logic and reasoning. I dont care what form of fanboy you are. But you are one. If not, all i can say is that you lack the ability to make any form of reasoned arguement at all.
You seem to think that software alone will save the PS3. It will not, as demonstrated by the lack of people queuing up to buy 360s after the AAA releases of Blue Dragon and Trusty Bell. Two AAA JRPGs. The only AAA JRPGs on nex-gen machines, and they only served to boost sales slightly. Not save the xbox.
The same goes for the PS3. Final Fantasy alone will not save the PS3. Simple as that.
[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Yeah Sure because the ps2 sold less than the XboX in japan :roll:
:lol:
Ninja-Vox
Er, i dont really understand what you're saying there. Could you elaborate?
The Ps2 Brutally outsold the Xbox In japan yet you dare to say that sony has failed in japan in an even greater degree than Ms after ten Years of absolute unmatched dominance !?
Face it you lost
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Yeah Sure because the ps2 sold less than the XboX in japan :roll:
:lol:
AgentA-Mi6
Er, i dont really understand what you're saying there. Could you elaborate?
The Ps2 Brutally outsold the Xbox In japan yet you dare to say that sony has failed in japan in an even greater degree than Ms after ten Years of absolute unmatched dominance !?
Face it you lost
That was the whole point of the thread. That they were once so dominant and are now failing. You didn't read the first post, did you?
Nevermind.
Don't try to spin anything around lemming. X360 is FAILING HORRIBLY for the second time in a row.
BTW FF is not out on PS3 yet, till then shut up about PS3 failing in JP.
/Stupid thread.
Armored_cell
Again, you didn't read the first post did you? Should we start making a list of these people?
[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Yeah Sure because the ps2 sold less than the XboX in japan :roll:
:lol:
Ninja-Vox
Er, i dont really understand what you're saying there. Could you elaborate?
The Ps2 Brutally outsold the Xbox In japan yet you dare to say that sony has failed in japan in an even greater degree than Ms after ten Years of absolute unmatched dominance !?
Face it you lost
That was the whole point of the thread. That they were once so dominant and are now failing. You didn't read the first post, did you?
Nevermind.
How can you declare they have failed when they haven't released ANYTHING that appeals to the JP market? This is madness :lol:MS has had Blue Dragon and many other flops which didn't help.. Sony has had RFOM??
Don't try to spin anything around lemming. X360 is FAILING HORRIBLY for the second time in a row.
Armored_cell
Wow, wow, wow, hold up just a minute. So the console that is currently in the lead for the most sales, and the most AAA and AA games this generation is, in your strange words "failing horribly"? The PS3 has what exactly? Reistance, and a $600 price tag. It's also selling very badly worldwide.
The 360 isn't failing, but the PS3 is another story...
[QUOTE="alfy13"]what fanboy do you think i am? btw sony doesnt need a new sku, i already told you why ps3 is not selling well. do you honestly think ppl inJA wil buy the ps3 if it was cheaper and still had no games out that they like? sorry but only the hardcore only guys buy a cosole with no games out when its first launched. i think most ppl like to wait for the games to come out. but that is just my opinion. probably why JA doesnt buy the 360, they probably think no good games will come out for it besides Lost Odessey. personally i think they are missing out on a good console.
i was happy with just my 360 until sony gamer day videos convinced me to get the ps3. but i was going to wait till next year to get one but due to those videos, i ended up getting one.
Ninja-Vox
You're devoid of logic and reasoning. I dont care what form of fanboy you are. But you are one. If not, all i can say is that you lack the ability to make any form of reasoned arguement at all.
You seem to think that software alone will save the PS3. It will not, as demonstrated by the lack of people queuing up to buy 360s after the AAA releases of Blue Dragon and Trusty Bell. Two AAA JRPGs. The only AAA JRPGs on nex-gen machines, and they only served to boost sales slightly. Not save the xbox.
The same goes for the PS3. Final Fantasy alone will not save the PS3. Simple as that.
god yes i do think software is the issue here. i mean if you can list every game out for the ps3 that is out right now. mosty like only what 2 games that they like are out? sorry but 2 games for system is not going to sell the console. its pretty obvious why the ps3 is nose diving. JA is nto going to buya system with only 2 games that they like.i love your whole orignal thread. only thing you show was how hard sony is failing during 7 month cycle. but never post the reason why it's failing. that is why i never understood your post. oh wait you did tell me, its because of the price. but i really d not think that is the issue why its nose diving atm.
[QUOTE="t2wave"]What needs to be answered is this. Which company dominated last gen? How is the PS3 doing compared to the PS2? How is the 360 doing compared to the Xbox? Which one is closer to how their last gen counterparts? How much will it take to get this gen closer tolast gen? Will it be enough to catch up with the Wii?Ninja-Vox
Maybe i should have just had that as my post. I didn't think it would be too hard to comprehend, but i think having any form of "look at these sales vs these sales" immediately provokes response from fanboys to tell you that they aren't as bad as they seem.
Well, in reality its not as bad as you trying to make it. Although Sony is falling they're are still in a better position in Japan than Microsoft. don't be upset because you did a great job pointing out something a lot of people didn't know; however, any smart person will know that PS3 is better off than the Xbox360 when looking at the bigger picture. Don't try to substitute small minuet points for the big picture. That was the point of your post, and that logic was flawed.
How can you declare they have failed when they haven't released ANYTHING that appeals to the JP market? This is madness :lol:
MS has had Blue Dragon and many other flops which didn't help.. Sony has had RFOM??
Armored_cell
Again that's exactly my point. Read the original post. You're making yourself look like an idiot.
[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]How is the PS3 failing in Japan when it is outselling the 360 there on a weekly basis?Ninja-Vox
Because you didn't bother reading the first post. Next.
After skimming through all of this, I actually feel bad for you Ninja. Care to comment on what you think Sony could do to turn things around?
It's amazing how an entire thread can be stopped dead in it's tracks by just two fanboys who cannot comprehend the point of a topic.
However, i would say what they need first and foremost is a price drop. Of course, that's a very stereotypical answer and is probably unrealistic as they already lose so much money.
Maybe a little extreme, but i would honestly think it's a good idea to try a new SKU. One without bly-ray or wi-fi or HDMI maybe. Blu-Ray might be an issue, as games are already released on blu-ray discs, however they may be able to simply compress these to dvds. That could split the market though.
Regardless, they need to try their hardest to make the PS3 more approachable and affordable. It's all very well being the high-class machine, but those who can afford high-class are definately in the minority, and if you've got that kind of money to blow on a games console, you're probably buying all three anyway.
Price really is the biggest factor as far as I can tell, despite what people might say. One can ramble all day (as we've witnessed in this thread) that games are the major factor in the PS3's current performance, but it can just as easily be argued that the Wii is missing software as well. Where is Metroid Prime? Mario? Super Smash Bros.? A Zelda that's not a GCN port? So I agree that as price drop is the best move now.
Sony's next move has to be to focus on what Japanese gamers have demonstrated they want: look at successful games on the Wii/DS, and make something using that formula that appeals to their tastes. Littebigplanet might be a good start, but there has to be more. MGS4 will never be the saviour of the PS3, no matter how many times cows close their eyes and hope to hell it is.
Hey guys whats going....*Checks alfy's posts*
[QUOTE="Armored_cell"]Don't try to spin anything around lemming. X360 is FAILING HORRIBLY for the second time in a row.
BTW FF is not out on PS3 yet, till then shut up about PS3 failing in JP.
/Stupid thread.
Ninja-Vox
Again, you didn't read the first post did you? Should we start making a list of these people?
Stop trying to fall back on a speculative paragraph of fanboy dribble. You use PS3 CURRENT sales trend but where you fail is in relaising sales rate WILL change.You fall apart on yourself.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]An interesting statistic:
If the Wii were to be pulled off the shelves in Japan right now, it would take four years for the Playstation 3 to catch up in sales, if it continued to sell at the rate it is now.
alfy13
this quote that i highlighted is why your logic is faulty. if you really think ps3 will continue to sell at the rate it is now even though games that JA likes FFXI, WKS, DMC etc willn to boost sales then i do not have anything else to say to you. even MS will have games thatwill boost 360 sales in japan. but
for a system that has what like 2 games that JA likes sold close toa Million where a system that been out a year with lots of game only sold 370k something is fishy do you not think?
but yes Wii is destorying both the ps3 and 360 on sales wise in japan.
Actually the sales rate of the PS3 in Japan seems to be getting progressivly worse. Those games may improve the overall sales of the PS3 but they won't help that much.
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