SW, what is it about the wii that makes so many of you inherently hate it?

So I'm curious. Since the announcement of the Wii gamers, publishers, developers and the enthusiest press (they aren't journalists people) have despised the console to the point of wanting it to fail and I'm curious as to why. What is it about the wii that make you hate it (and stop with the politically correct I don't hate it, its just . . . . BS because you're not fooling anyone). I hear the argument that nintendo has forgotten its core market but I don't believe that's true. A simple look at the release schedule for the console sees many of the same franchises coming out. They have added to there catalogue with less traditional software but they have developed the same thing for the last 20 years so I'm confused as to how they've abandoned anyone. Has it just become a taste thing? Is Mario and Zelda not your taste anymore and you want more mature software? If that's the case I'm confused as to the inherent anger since nintendo has never really been known for that.

Could it be a hate for the wiimote? I can understand this, the wiimote is an incredibly flawed controller, it isn't perfect and it doesn't perform the average genre title as well as a standard controller. Its newer technology that has never been implemeted on the scale of a major console launch before and hence it has muliple flaws. The controller has its benefits too of course but this isn't really my point. It seems as though there is an inherent hate from the core market for the wii and I'm not understanding exactly the main reason. Its not a matter of software because the type of hate far exceeds not appealing to the average age 18 - 35 male gamer taste (this isn't me being mean, this is the reality of who buysmost of the hyped games).It seems as though the hate goes deeper.

The media hates the wii. They talk crap about it, they rip on it, they want it to fail. Listen to any podcast when the name wii is mentioned. No, here, let me do it for you:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-71-invisible-walls/54781

Some quotes to make my point:

The big loser, Nintendo" And said with a chuckle.

"Nintendo is looking more ***ed than a Tijuana whore"

"There just lookin' out of touch" The irony.

"They can't get over themselves"

"Who is gonna get the Wii for 250 when you can get the beasts of machine for an extra 50"

"You know motion controls are coming and you can play with those controls on games that look and sound way better"

"Almost like the toy my 1st videogame console"

"I would say everyone stop buying the Wii but they already have"

"Nintendo it's game over bro"

"Sony just released a console that looks completely different from the PS3"

"Created a system for people who don't buy freakin games"

"No people that buy software"

"Would a price cut even work"

"Could cut the price to $150 and see a bump but no long term benefit"

Nintendo "Were doomed were done"

"Punch-Out tanked"

"hope 50% on Wii has gotten a taste for gaming and buy a PS3"

"Between MS and Sony they can really finish off the Wii as a game console in the next 12 months"

"Not gonna shed a tear over the Wii"

"Sick of that console, I have No respect for Nintendo right now"

NSMB Wii "frickin' lame"

"could be the start of a 2 horse race"

"Nintendo can make their toys which is what there best at They've stopped making hardcore games"

Yes people, a professional website podcast said this and there are many more examples. This isn't just dislike, this is hate and a desire for nintendo and the wii to fail. There is no denying that people think this. The wii was able to succeed by capturing the imagination of the public and yet now the gamers hate on nintendo for discarding the things the average person doesn't find all that mind bending, graphics, cinimatics etc. Itamuses me and saddens me at the same time that the wii has all this potential but the people who act as if they want to see it used are the same people who won't buy games for it and want it to fail.

The bait has been thrown out SW, now discuss.

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

samuraiguns

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

Waggle, 90% of the library and the fans who can't get over their lifelong loyalty to Nintendo.

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

samuraiguns

I absolutely hate answers like this.

Elaborate.

I have a feeling this thread is going to go nowhere....

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

-Oath

I absolutely hate answers like this.

Elaborate.

You actually read the opening I bet Oath so you actually get that I admit that there is flaws with the wiimote. Not that I expect SW to respond like logical beings.

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

shoryuken_

The point of this is to show what has value to the average consumer and what doesn't. If you wanted multiplats on your wii to equal the PS3 and 360, excuse my rudeness but you missed nintendo's WHOLE DAMN POINT.

I don't hate it, It's not my favorite but I may buy one when the price comes down. right now it doesn't compare to the 360 & PS3.

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

shoryuken_

I don't hate it at all. I'm just not interested in the console, as it or any of its games doesn't really appeal to me.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

ActicEdge

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

That was a good podcast , no doubt about it. Yeah , it was ridiculous ... but it was entertaining. Trolling has become an art form.

Ok, from personal opinion and experience Nintendo is just letting developers throw alot of shovelware to the console. Also the Wii has a great potential with the control remote but so far only Nintendo and a few third parties (capcom Resident Evil 4 Wii for example) has at least used the real potential of the Wiimote. Yeah, I know it isnt the best but at least something. What alot of ppl hate of the Wii is the shovelware and also the kiddies games that the Wii has. Also there are a few hardcore games on the console and almost all of them belong to Nintendo. The other hardcores games arent that great and also the Wii has alot of ports of games of sixth gen console (Ps2 the most). Thats my opinion as to why ppl hate the Wii. Miroku32

I see your point and to some extent I agree. But the hate due to shovelware and kiddie games is a problem with the fanbase and not the system. Hating something for not appealing to you is immaturity, its not legit. You may not like it but the point I have made is that people (specifiaclly core gamers) have an intense hatred for the system that exceeds simply not appealing to them. There is something deeper, I know it and where better than SW to find out? If people hate nintendo because there favourite third parties missed the point of the wii, what exactly is the point of this hate?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

samuraiguns

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

Something that contributes to the discussion?

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

ActicEdge

The point of this is to show what has value to the average consumer and what doesn't If you wanted multiplats on your wii, excuse me rudeness but you missed nintendo's WHOLE DAMN POINT.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

samuraiguns

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

It just sucks is not an answer, how about you elaborate instead of being the average hit and run SW poster?

Yeah, Gametrailers were harsh on the Wii, but I just ignore it.

[QUOTE="-Oath"]

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I just think it sucks...just flat out sucks, I hate waggle.

ActicEdge

I absolutely hate answers like this.

Elaborate.

You actually read the opening I bet Oath so you actually get that I admit that there is flaws with the wiimote. Not that I expect SW to respond like logical beings.

I read the entire thing and I accept his waggle dislike but he couldve elaborated with the rest of his answer. Insteas of "I just think it sucks" with no real explanation who couldve said "I simply hate waggle". But w/e.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

Birdy09

The point of this is to show what has value to the average consumer and what doesn't If you wanted multiplats on your wii, excuse me rudeness but you missed nintendo's WHOLE DAMN POINT.

No I don't actually think I missed the point. The point of the Wii was to go back and try to find what made video games enjoyable to the people and what didn't. Nintendo came to the answer that graphics, cinimatics etc weren't it and they seemed to be right. This thread isn't about asking why the wii doesn't appeal to the SW crowd, I already know that answer, it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it. You say the wiimote is limited, I said that in my very first post if you read the opening. You are following into the trap, I asked why the hatred is so great, not why the average 19 - 35 year ikd male dislikes.

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

ActicEdge

The point of this is to show what has value to the average consumer and what doesn't. If you wanted multiplats on your wii to equal the PS3 and 360, excuse my rudeness but you missed nintendo's WHOLE DAMN POINT.

I'm not asking for ports like MGS4 or Killzone. There are games that could possibly be done just as well on Wii as the other consoles. That is a legitimate complaint that I see a lot on the Wii forums. I didn't miss Nintendo's point, I knew that the Wii would be a different kind of gaming experience and they didn't want to go in direct competition with MS/Sony.

The reason I bought a Wii because the games appeal to me. At the same time, I find myself wondering why certain third parties haven't taken some initiative and brought their work over to Nintendo's console.

There is not a single game on the Wii that could possibly attract my interest, I'm not into motion control gimmicks either.

There is not a single game on the Wii that could possibly attract my interest, I'm not into motion control gimmicks either.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

I don't like the fact that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats that can be done well on the system. That being said, I do not hate it. It has plenty of games coming out next year to keep me satisfied for a long time.

shoryuken_

The point of this is to show what has value to the average consumer and what doesn't. If you wanted multiplats on your wii to equal the PS3 and 360, excuse my rudeness but you missed nintendo's WHOLE DAMN POINT.

I'm not asking for ports like MGS4 or Killzone. There are games that could possibly be done just as well on Wii as the other consoles. That is a legitimate complaint that I see a lot on the Wii forums. I didn't miss Nintendo's point, I knew that the Wii would be a different kind of gaming experience and they didn't want to go in direct competition with MS/Sony.

The reason I bought a Wii because the games appeal to me. At the same time, I find myself wondering why certain third parties haven't taken some initiative and brought their work over to Nintendo's console.

I'm curious to what these games are because the big point I'm trying to make it, why make the wii version when its going to be better else where and the demographic will be more prominant. Making competent wii ports requires essentially the same work as the original. Its not cost effective and its not encouraged. That's why the power gap is so huge.

There is not a single game on the Wii that could possibly attract my interest, I'm not into motion control gimmicks either.

AnnoyedDragon

So you didn't read the opening? Awesome, I wrote this thread so its apparent who actually listened to what I said and who just saw the title and posted. Awesome work.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The point of this is to show what has value to the average consumer and what doesn't If you wanted multiplats on your wii, excuse me rudeness but you missed nintendo's WHOLE DAMN POINT.

ActicEdge

No I don't actually think I missed the point. The point of the Wii was to go back and try to find what made video games enjoyable to the people and what didn't. Nintendo came to the answer that graphics, cinimatics etc weren't it and they seemed to be right. This thread isn't about asking why the wii doesn't appeal to the SW crowd, I already know that answer, it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it. You say the wiimote is limited, I said that in my very first post if you read the opening. You are following into the trap, I asked why the hatred is so great, not why the average 19 - 35 year ikd male dislikes.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Thank you for the amazing incite. :roll:

ActicEdge

It just sucks is not an answer, how about you elaborate instead of being the average hit and run SW poster?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Maybe you are the one missing the point, those multiplats represent the taste of most of the core gamers here, the console not even having them and then valueing things like Wii-Fit and a very miniscule library of Japanese orientated 3rd parties is whats holding them back and why we think very little of the system as a whole, or its complete lack of competent modern online gaming. Or the fact that the wiimote is limited, despite its inputs being both button and motion based. it does more harm than good in most genres, and some of the wiis best games dont even benefit, infact hindered from it (Zelda TP.. waggle sword is fun :lol: not.). Somethings wrong when tyhe only decent online on the Wii is Mario Kart, a fun yet shallow/easy/holding your hand racer.Birdy09

No I don't actually think I missed the point. The point of the Wii was to go back and try to find what made video games enjoyable to the people and what didn't. Nintendo came to the answer that graphics, cinimatics etc weren't it and they seemed to be right. This thread isn't about asking why the wii doesn't appeal to the SW crowd, I already know that answer, it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it. You say the wiimote is limited, I said that in my very first post if you read the opening. You are following into the trap, I asked why the hatred is so great, not why the average 19 - 35 year ikd male dislikes.

Nope, I don't know the answer, that's why I am asking. A simple different audience does not merit the kind of hate on the gametrailers podcast, the SW hate etc. Its more than that and I'm sure of it. Because nintendo makes the same games and people hate them. They make AAA games and they hate them. If its not Mario, Metroid and Zelda we hate them and yet we say try something new but yet never buy into it. The hate exceeds the games and focus because core gamers should be nterested in good games period even if they have no intention to ever try them. Its not the same, it confuses the hell out of me which is why I am wondering.

And this makes you hate it?Cherokee_Jack

I never said I hated it, only why I'm not interested in it.

So you didn't read the opening? Awesome, I wrote this thread so its apparent who actually listened to what I said and who just saw the title and posted. Awesome work.

ActicEdge

Nope, didn't bother, title seemed to sum it up in a way that didn't need expanding on. If your TLDR main post is so different from the title that it requires reading through; suggest that in the title in the future.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]And this makes you hate it?AnnoyedDragon

Then why reply to a thread addressing people who hate the console?

I have had the least fun with my Wii this generation. Some of the games blew me away with their whimsy and/or fun, but by and large, I have stayed on 360/PS3 this generation. Dunno why, possibly because Ninty's major franchises (Metroid, Zelda, Mario) don't entertain me besides Mario.SpruceCaboose

This is actually fine. Its not what I asked for (because you don't inherently hate it) but I can more than recognize where and what the system doesn't deliver. What confuses me is how the types of comments in the podcast I linked are actually accepted and are the general thought of the whole industry.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No I don't actually think I missed the point. The point of the Wii was to go back and try to find what made video games enjoyable to the people and what didn't. Nintendo came to the answer that graphics, cinimatics etc weren't it and they seemed to be right. This thread isn't about asking why the wii doesn't appeal to the SW crowd, I already know that answer, it is about trying to find why there is an inherent and intense hatred for it by everyone but the people buying it. You say the wiimote is limited, I said that in my very first post if you read the opening. You are following into the trap, I asked why the hatred is so great, not why the average 19 - 35 year ikd male dislikes.

ActicEdge

Nope, I don't know the answer, that's why I am asking. A simple different audience does not merit the kind of hate on the gametrailers podcast, the SW hate etc. Its more than that and I'm sure of it. Because nintendo makes the same games and people hate them. They make AAA games and they hate them. If its not Mario, Metroid and Zelda we hate them and yet we say try something new but yet never buy into it. The hate exceeds the games and focus because core gamers should be nterested in good games period even if they have no intention to ever try them. Its not the same, it confuses the hell out of me which is why I am wondering.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]And this makes you hate it?AnnoyedDragon

I never said I hated it, only why I'm not interested in it.

So you didn't read the opening? Awesome, I wrote this thread so its apparent who actually listened to what I said and who just saw the title and posted. Awesome work.

ActicEdge

Nope, didn't bother, title seemed to sum it up in a way that didn't need expanding on. If your TLDR main post is so different from the title that it requires reading through; suggest that in the title in the future.

2 problems. You tell Jack you don't hate it but respond to my post (red flag), then you read an obviuously serious thread title and don't read the opening. The title matches the opening perfectly. Of course you wouldn't know that because YOU DIDN'T READ THE OPENING.

Then why reply to a thread addressing people who hate the console?

Cherokee_Jack

I've already told you I was describing why I dislike the Wii, hate is just a more intense form of dislike.

Leave it at that.

I'm curious to what these games are because the big point I'm trying to make it, why make the wii version when its going to be better else where and the demographic will be more prominant. Making competent wii ports requires essentially the same work as the original. Its not cost effective and its not encouraged. That's why the power gap is so huge.

ActicEdge

Sure, I shall list some games for you:

Valkyria Chronicles 1 and 2 (second one is going to be on PSP)

SF4 (maybe on Tatsunoko engine?)

BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger

There are probably some more, but these are the ones I really want. The list of multiplats I want isn't very big and doesn't warrant buying an entire console on my poor college student budget, which is the reason I only own the Wii.

wow...those "professional" journalists sound like average SW fanboys.

wow...those "professional" journalists sound like average SW fanboys.

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]I have had the least fun with my Wii this generation. Some of the games blew me away with their whimsy and/or fun, but by and large, I have stayed on 360/PS3 this generation. Dunno why, possibly because Ninty's major franchises (Metroid, Zelda, Mario) don't entertain me besides Mario.ActicEdge

This is actually fine. Its not what I asked for (because you don't inherently hate it) but I can more than recognize where and what the system doesn't deliver. What confuses me is how the types of comments in the podcast I linked are actually accepted and are the general thought of the whole industry.

2 problems. You tell Jack you don't hate it but respond to my post (red flag), then you read an obviuously serious thread title and don't read the opening. The title matches the opening perfectly. Of course you wouldn't know that because YOU DIDN'T READ THE OPENING.

ActicEdge

If the title matches the opening perfectly then why do I need to read the opening? The title should have summed it up.

Are you going to make an issue out of this? Are we really going to waste time over a short impulse comment? There are better things to spend time on, drop it and respond to the people who you feel are on topic.

I don't hate it, there is just not enough games that appeal to me enough for me to want to run out and buy one. On top of that, I refuse to pay 250.00-300.00 for it. I do eventually plan to pick one up, but only after the price is dropped.

"Almost like the toy my 1st videogame console" this.... reminds me of leapster...the way the shovelware and kid ware comes out. I used to go into the gamestore and see all people my age, it was fun, now I go in there and there are people my age...non-gamers buying wii stuff for their kids.. There is usually a few parents and a group of 4-6 under 10 kids buzzing around the front of the stores where they keep the wii stuff. I almost feel as if there should be a curtain separating the store, like they would do for some adult video section...separating the PS2,PS3, XBox, Xbox 360, and even GC games to the wii and its plastic fisher price accessories. I'm not saying they should do that, but that is just what it feels like...

The sad thing is I group up with Nintendo in the 80's, but the games were different back then. Back then the system was the most advanced console on the market (back in the 8-bit gen) with the widest variety of 3rd party titles... I am fine with nintendos ****c Sprite based 2d games or a few select n64-GC 3d games, but this gen they all have this overly simplified super family friendly look to them. Even when 3rd parties go to Nintendo the dumb the games down and make them kid centric....

Also there is the fact that nintendo put out a gamecube with a gimmick controller and stole market share from the companies actually pushing tech forward... its' just not right that so many people were duped into that. The wii-mote is essentially a better working power-glove...you remember that? They didn't advance the tech, and charged people 8x the amount its actually worth. They abandon the people that made them who they are, and they shouldn't be successful for this.. It sets a bad precedent and says to other companies you can put out crap too and make money doing it.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm curious to what these games are because the big point I'm trying to make it, why make the wii version when its going to be better else where and the demographic will be more prominant. Making competent wii ports requires essentially the same work as the original. Its not cost effective and its not encouraged. That's why the power gap is so huge.

shoryuken_

Sure, I shall list some games for you:

Valkyria Chronicles 1 and 2 (second one is going to be on PSP)

SF4 (maybe on Tatsunoko engine?)

BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger

There are probably some more, but these are the ones I really want. The list of multiplats I want isn't very big and doesn't warrant buying an entire console on my poor college student budget, which is the reason I only own the Wii.

Alright. I can understand the concept behind the desire and its fair. However, part of the point of the wii is to stop the power arms raise and get people interested in gaming again. Its to see what holds value to the average person and what doesn't. Now, a wii port of SF4 or Blazblue really have no point. They won't be competitive, they won't be competent without extreme reworking and nobody will buy it on the underpowered console. Ports of HD game truly defeat the purpose of the wii. Some games can be done but they lose the edge of being designed around the system.This is why everyone should discourage wii ports and encourage more quality exclusives and spin offs that utilize the system well.

There are two reasons. Two simple reasons.

1. People hate on the Wii because of 06/07. Simple as that. The launch games were absymal and did a great job at shattering every hope and expectation. The controller was not what it was marketed to be, the third party support was not what it was expected to be, and what games there were tried to use the Wiimote, but mostly failed horribly; the huge majority of games were made worse by their controls, not better; what followed were games that didn't use any motion sensing other than general movement ("waggle").

Opinions were formed then. Strong opinions.

Now, in 2008/2009, everything is delightful and perfect. The game library, for a Nintendo console in it's third year, is very satisfying and diverse. Third party support is better than it ever was on a Nintendo console, both(!) in terms of quantity AND quality. The upcoming games for 09/10 look fantastic. There are many games that managed to utilize the Wiimote's capabilities in great ways, and at the same time devs have realized that if they wouldn't work, they don't implement then. And then there is MotionPlus that, hopefully, will have a similar impact on the console as Dual Analog sticks, the SFX chip or the Expansion Pack.

The people with the opinions, however, wouldn't know that. Because they delight in not being able to make qualified statements about the library: They haven't turned on their console in months, and it collects dust. And they are very proud to tell people that. Quite embarrassing, actually. :D

2. The Wii doesn't offer many games that try to be bad movies with playable action sequences. The Wii is not able to satisfy the gun porn needs of the average HD gamer, hence a few gears up in lack of interest. They wouldn't be able to tell if there are good games on the Wii, because games such as DeBlob or Little King's Story don't even enter their awareness level.

wow...those "professional" journalists sound like average SW fanboys.

Shinobishyguy

Which is why I just call them enthuisiest press. They aren't journalists, they are just fanboys with a mic.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

2 problems. You tell Jack you don't hate it but respond to my post (red flag), then you read an obviuously serious thread title and don't read the opening. The title matches the opening perfectly. Of course you wouldn't know that because YOU DIDN'T READ THE OPENING.

AnnoyedDragon

If the title matches the opening perfectly then why do I need to read the opening? The title should have summed it up.

Are you going to make an issue out of this? Are we really going to waste time over a short impulse comment? There are better things to spend time on, drop it and respond to the people who you feel are on topic.

Of course I am because I'm an ass like that. If people don't want to read the opening when I put togethera thread with an actual point, I'm gonna chew them up period. The thought that an opening can sum up a whole thread is entirely laughable.