The arguments against a shared Xbox One and PC ecosystem are quite silly

Let's start with the elephant in the room: The announcement that Quantum Break is coming to Windows 10 the same day as Xbox One..

if you want Quantum Break, you still can't play this game on PS4.. You either have to buy/own a $350 Xbox One or buy/build/maintain a potentially $1350-$2000+ gaming PC with Windows 10 and DX12.. If you happen to own both, you get the added benefit of cross-buy and cross-save so that your gaming content and data floats from device to device seamlessly..

On what planet is the above scenario of a cross-buy game for Xbox One and PC bad for Microsoft and good for Sony?..

Frequently used arguments:

1) "b bu but, why buy an Xbox One when I can play those same games on PC with better graphics?!1!"..

Well, if you want to invest in building a gaming PC, go ahead.. I'm sure you'll enjoy the results.. for people who either can't afford or have no interest in building a high-end gaming PC, those same games can still be played on an Xbox One console for a fraction of the time, effort, and cost.. if anything is evident this gen so far, it's that console gaming is not dead.. Console gaming is alive and well.. Plenty of people simply enjoy the convenience and "bang for your buck" you get from just pugging a console into their television.. That Xbox One market isn't going to disappear because of a shared ecosystem..

2) "b bu but, why would I buy an Xbox One when I can just get a PS4 and a PC combo to have the best of both worlds?!1!"

Again, see the above answer.. So, as a console gamer, if you have a PS4 and want to play Quantum Break (or any other XB1/Win10 exclusives), you'd rather build and maintain a high-end gaming PC for nearly six times the initial cost of simply buying an Xbox One?.. If that's what you want to do with your money, more power to ya.. But logically speaking, if you want to play PS4 exclusives in addition to XB1/Win10 exclusives, the easiest and most cost effective route is to buy a PS4 and an Xbox One.. Once again, the market and benefits of the Xbox One don't simply disappear because of a shared ecosystem with the PC platform.. High-end PC gaming is relatively expensive and time consuming to get set-up.. Console gaming is relatively affordable and easy to set-up.. That simple dynamic ensures that the Xbox One maintains it's place in the market..

3) "b bu but, if I already have a gaming PC, why buy an Xbox One? I can just pick up a PS4 and have the best of both worlds!!1!"..

Well, that just boils down to personal preference.. If you think PS4 console exclusives are worth the price of admission for a PS4, then great. You probably wont be disappointed.. But if you own a Win10 gaming PC and you can potentially buy games once with cross-buy and have that same collection of games available for free on Xbox One complete with cross-save, cross-platform party chat, in some cases cross-platform online play, cross-device streaming, and other cross-platform benefits, my question for you would actually be "why would you buy a PS4?".. The Nintendo 3DS is the more popular handheld device with tons more games, support, and exclusives in comparision to the the PS Vita but how many System Wars PS4 fans would argue that given the choice they'd rather compliment their PS4 with a 3DS? probably, none.. and that's because of the features I just listed.. Cross-buy, cross-save, cross-chat, and more add value to the PS Vita and PS4 when you pair them together.. That same logic extends to a PC and Xbox One combo..

4) "b bu but, this means the Xbox One doesn't have any true exclusives!!1!..

According to System Wars logic, sure you're right.. But according to real world logic and reality, you still cant play these games on Sony's console.. Microsoft isn't competing with Windows 10 PC.. Microsoft owns Windows 10 PC.. Microsoft's competition in the console market is Sony and the PS4.. And "true exclusive" or not, if you're in the market for a console and Quantum Break is a system seller for you, you are going to buy an Xbox One.. Period. The same logic extends to PS4/PC "exclusives" like Street Fighter V.. If SFV is a system seller for you and you're in the market for a console, you're going to buy a PS4.. Period.. if youre a console gamer looking to buy a console, PC isn't apart of the equation. PC doesn't even enter the conversation.. Its "Xbox One vs PS4" in your mind, which means that even though the term "console exclusive" doesn't carry much weight here on System Wars, it still means a lot in the real world..

TL;DR - Bottomline: A shared ecosystem between Xbox One and Windows 10 PC means more sales, more players, and more support for the XB1/Win10 ecosystem of games.. which is exactly what Microsoft wants and should be exactly what Xbox One gamers want.. Arguments to the contrary are incredibly short-sighted..

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EDIT: It has been confirmed that games like Quantum Break will be exclusive to the Window Store and will not be available on Steam.. Which further drives home the point that this is all about combining and leveraging the two platforms under a single "Windows 10" banner..

Regardless of if you use an Xbox One or use a gaming PC, buying a game like Quantum Break, Gears 4, Forza 6, and etc through either Windows Store means that you are now a part of the Windows 10 and Xbox Live ecosystem complete with Achievements, party chat, and online play with other Xbox One players..

All you PS4 fanboys who hate Microsoft and Xbox so much, keep that in mind before you're so quick to jump on the "I'll just build a PC to play those games" bandwagon.. At the end of the day, you'll still be joining the Xbox community lol.. See ya online!! :-)

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if you ask me the only thing that keeps Xbox One sales down is it's "hardware performance" , I doubt sharing games with PC has something to do with it .... I'm ok with a Xbox One and PC ecosystem

Bottomline: A shared ecosystem between Xbox One and Windows 10 PC means less exclusives for X1 and a reason to own one,

@Heil68: b bu but, Microsoft arent abandoning the xbone. Now more people will buy it because they are putting its exclusives on pc, just you watch!!!1!!

As long as they adept a cross play for multiplayer games, then it's all good. More people playing games across multiple platforms is always a good thing.

Cows and sheep are really gonna feel left out when these games hit the X1/PC all the time and they're all discussed and hyped on GS between lems and their cousins the herms. Good stuff. :P

true.. it's going to take a long time before the general public moves on from "resolution-gate".. the PS4 sales numbers are evidence enough of that..

In my opinion, a shared ecosystem between Xbox One and PC simply addresses any concerns someone may have had of lowered support from devs for the Xbox One due to the sales success of the PS4.. sure the PS4 has a worldwide install base advantage of 2:1, console to console, but compare that to the worldwide install base of Win10/DX12 devices to include both PC and Xbox One, then the scales start to shift in the opposite direction..

Over time, as Windows 10 and DirectX12 adoption among PC gamers becomes the standard, combining ecosystems with Xbox One will ensure the console will continue to get frequent and compelling exclusive content in comparison to the PS4.. even if that means XB1/Win10 exclusive (ie "console exclusives"), that's still a win..

And I'm not saying the PS4 won't continue to get great exclusives.. it will indeed.. I'm just saying that Xbox One support is going to be stronger than ever the more it's tied to Windows 10 PC gaming..

TC's post becomes invalid for me the moment $2000 was mentioned for a gaming PC to rival the consoles. Try $600 with no online fees and cheaper games.

Less exclusives = Less reasons to own the X1. Just that simple

We can see you hiding lems and this is what your're doing :P

I thought it was 2000$ for the monthly upgrades

Cows should be happy, they all have awesome PC's right? Now you get to play the awesome QB

less reason to own one in relation to what?.. building a high-end gaming rig?..

if youre strictly a console gamer, building a high-end PC isn't even part of the equation.. you're either going to buy an Xbox One or a PS4.. and if Quantum Break is the game you absolutely must have, you're going to buy an Xbox One..

If youre strictly a PC gamer, you have more games to play.. congrats :-)

Fix'd.

Last gen

HAHA PC/PS3 games mean NOTHING

This gen

PC/X1-Golly gee beave, that means everyone can play them by golly!

@chikenfriedrice:

And giving your money to MS lol

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lol exactly.. Since building or buyng a high-end PC that's gonna run these games in 4k and 120fps (or even 1080p and 60fps) is definitely more appealing to every single person interested in Quantum Break..

I bet all those kids that woke up in the morning and got high-end PCs for Christmas are really glad to hear this news!! :-D

The next XBox will be a skateboard painted like coat tails. At least, according to the die-hard fanboys who are willing to accept this.

Microsoft: Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Fixed it for you troll. Every one knows that was the cows argument last gen not lems. Cows have recently said that games on PS4/PC are a plus (SFV ring a bell) because they can't be played on the X1 but all of a sudden it's a bad thing on the X1? Can you be any more of a hypocrite?

Nope, less reason for buying an X1 and letting that 2:1 sales margin PS4 enjoys continue to swell and widen.

I agree.

I don't see the argument against it. Console gaming and PC gaming co-exist, not compete. People who find themselves playing video games often as a main source of entertainment almost always end up purchasing a PC as it has the largest variety of games, the strongest gaming communities, the cheapest games, and it's physical profile is generally easier to integrate into a new living situation than a console. That said, the original investment into a PC is quite expensive and people who don't play a lot have a hard time digesting that amount.

A shared ecosystem between the Xbox One and PC could allow gamers to better transition to the PC. If the Xbox One becomes basically a PC for your TV, and all of the games you buy on the Xbox One could be played on a Windows PC, you can now smoothly transition between the two. If you're a console gamer you could purchase a PC and already have a library of compatible games. If you're a PC gamer, you can now utilize the Xbox One to extend your PC to the living room. Sure you lose the graphics, but there are situations where you may want to play some local multiplayer, play on a larger screen, or just play in a more "social" environment in your living room.

If the Xbox One is treated like just a PC, then we could see more PC exclusives installed and played on the Xbox One. If they open up the Windows Store onto the Xbox One, we could see a lot of PC games ported pretty easily expanding the library of the console. We could also see a closer relationship between the media on your PC and your Xbox One. You could even more seamlessly pick up where you left off while switching between the devices.

Again, that's a cool talking point but please elaborate..

if you're a console gamer, and youre only looking to buy a console, do you care what's on PC?

If youre a PC gamer, and have no desire to buy a console, aren't you glad you have more games to play?

If youre a PS4 owner can you play Quantum Break or any of these other XB1/PC games on PS4?

a combined ecosystem of games across platforms, with cross-buy, cross-save, cross-chat, and cross-play means more combined players and support.. Just that simple

I agree that the Windows/Xone ecosystem is a good thing for them but saying you need a $2000 + PC is ridiculous. I'll agree buying a $500-600 PC isn't the best idea for a "long term" PC but it's going to play the same games at or at better levels than a console.

The whole Xone has no exclusives thing is pretty useless to people outside of system wars and Internet forums. If someone wants a console they choose the one that has the games they want. Regardless of them being on PC. Just like someone would buy a PS4 over Xone for its games even though they are on other PS platforms.

They wouldn't say "well that game I like is on the PS3 too so I should get X system instead.

Outside the forum arguments I see this as good move for them. If they support the ecosystem.

It's great ammo for fanboys to call out MS and the Xbone as having no exclusives for the system but in the end it's what one console has over the other because they are the competition.

It's now all about the OS, Windows 10, 300 million and growing. Sony's doomed, Dooomed I tellz ya. lol :P

Cool, just making sure.. you're still just trolling.. carry on

When PSNow starts offering PS4 games especially PS4 exclusives, things are going to get interestingly funny here since you could then play PS4 games without a PS4 and on PSNow enabled TVs. Since they make playing a game on more than one platform a bad thing, they're setting themselves up with more lolz. #GreatmessAwaits

This man gets it.. Bravo to you, sir.. great post

I already have 2 powerful enough PC (not super high end but way better than the bone.) now that I'm not a halo gear forza fan. I have zero reason to buy the bone when everything else are going to PC or win 10 which is a free upgrade.

@Antwan3K: I think what everyone fails to realize Microsoft and Sony make the majority of their money on game sales, so X1 and PS4 games selling on PC only benefits Microsoft more and more. The Xbox One is a very good gaming console, but for Microsoft also plays a role in putting Windows 10 in the living room, which was the goal from the very beginning of the original Xbox. Bringing Windows and Xbox together actually has the potential to create a stronger shared ecosystem than keeping them separate would.

Wrong. Before Kinect came out on the 360 and they started closing studios or letting them go, they were winning. They were doing very well up to that point. It's this lazy half ass bullshit that people are scrambling to defend for whatever reason that has gotten them in trouble.

@kingtito:

Thanks for proving my point once again.

PS4 is KING

X1 left to weep and pick up peices.

Yep, that's true.. Enjoy your PC and thanks for supporting the Windows 10 and DirectX12 ecosystem of gaming!! :-D

I like how Cows claim "PS4 Console Exclusves" are cool and a bonus for Sony, but when It's Microsoft and Xbox One its not a bonus. I don't care either way personally since I own everything, but the hypocrisy and moving of the goal posts is crazy here.

Last gen was a different story for lems, this gen THEY MATTER!!11

Less exclusives for X1

Advantage-PS4

I think Sony can do the same , they won't lose anything if they share more games with PC .....

Sure, you can probably get by and piece together something that "works" on the minimum specs but the recommended GPU alone for Quantum Break costs over $600 on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=nvidia+geforce+980+ti&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=7010459398&hvqmt=p&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_46jzs8k7z9_p

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=AMD+Radeon+R9+Fury+X+&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AAMD+Radeon+R9+Fury+X+

If we're talking about playing this game up to PC Master Race standards, then $2000 for a full high-end rig is probably within the ballpark.. But hey, I wouldn't know, I'm not a PC gamer.. I play strictly on consoles..

But thanks to Microsoft providing cross-buy and cross-save for Windows 10 PC games with Xbox One, I can easily see myself picking up some future indie titles from the Windows Store that could run on my Surface Pro 3 and play those when i'm away from home while having the option to continue playing from my Xbox One.. Indie games that I would never even think of buying as a standalone title for my next-gen console all of a sudden become more appealing for my tablet as long as I can cross-buy and cross-save with Xbox One..

a shared XB1/PC ecosystem opens up all kinds of possibilities and benefits for both devs and gamers

Predictions put Windows 10 installed devices at 1 billion in a year and cows don't see the leverage and potential of combining that ecosystem with an Xbox One that already runs Windows 10?.. but those same cows jump up and down about 36 million sales for PS4?..

From a developer standpoint, Microsoft can (and likely will) leverage that high install base plus ease of cross development between platforms in order to secure tons of XB1/PC exclusives as time moves forward.. At a minimum, Xbox One support will continue to be stronger than ever..

I agree.

But so is the whole PS ecosystem exclusive shit.

Everything should be considered on an individual platform basis.

Oh I think many of them know it but trying desperately to hang on to the false narrative they've tried hard to construct over the years.

Trust me, the salt is realzzz. :P

There are already cross-platform multiplayer games announced in the form of Killer Instinct, Fable Legends, and Gigantic.. I'm sure these type announcements will continue to grow as the two platforms become more and more integrated..

Keyboard/Mouse has already been address as well.. Phil Spencer basically said it's up to the developer and provisions are in place to make separate environments for keyboard only, controller only, mixed input multiplayer sessions, and etc..

I agree though, I'm curous to see if Gears of War: Ulitmate Edition has cross-platform multiplayer on Win10 PC with XB1

This is just putting a console in place that is just another hurdle to hold PC gaming back. Let's be honest a moment.

If the XBox is not going to differentiate itself with its games, then it's just another chunk of legacy hardware for developers to support at the end of every gen essentially. This is astronomically stupid.

Wouldn't you rather have a third console that actually brings us new games? Holy hell, I am legit angry about this.

Except Sony gave up on Playstation TV, probably not going to happen anytime soon.

Probably all. Are you kidding? "I'd rather have cross-chat than games!" said no one ever. Don't get me wrong. I love my Vita. But mainly because it's a portable indie machine. If for some strange reason I could only own one handheld I would keep my 3DS because it has different games.

If you're a schoolgirl or a grandma. Show me a self respecting PC gamer that owns a $600 rig. Big fat lulz.

As a PC gamer, I'm happy with more games

Don't forget they're still working on streaming PC -> X1, won't be too much longer before Win10 machines are assisting with processing on X1, and vice versa.

In theory, Sony could try and release more of their games on PC but what is the end game?..

The difference is that Microsoft has a definitive end game.. Microsoft owns Xbox One and Microsoft owns Windows 10 and Microsoft owns DirectX12.. Microsoft also owns the Windows Store on Windows 10 and they also own the Windows Store on Xbox One.. Microsoft also owns the Azure cloud service which runs the backend of all this cross-platform functionality.. Microsoft can provide the incentives for both developers and consumers to get involved in their unified ecosystem..

Microsoft has an endgame: Combine "PC gaming" and "Xbox gaming" under then banner of "Windows 10 gaming" and create an install base of gamers that the competition couldn't dream of matching..