The FALLOUT 3 Reality Thread

All 50 of you screaming at the top of your lungs won't do much, though. Just sayin'. More people will enjoy Fallout 3 than any of the previous games in the franchise, because it'll be more commercial, but not quite casual. I think this makes some of the elite fans super ******. BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="HummaKavula"]

No matter what people say; Oblivion will always be an RPG abomination and a mediocre hack & slash dungeon crawler. I tried it out recently and I'm disgusted at how awful it is. It's like a huge coffee-stain on my favorite and only shirt.

Having said that, I have absolutely no faith in Bethesda.

Seriosly, blowing away and old woman's head, putting it on a counter and trying talking to it and calling it dark humor. Ha ha ha! Hilarious! Except no one's laughing.

Dreams-Visions

you forgot to add, "...in my opinion." becaues all the critical acclaim from reviewers, magazines and gamers adamantly disagree with you.

It wasn't your cup of coffe, fine. But don't suppose to make it a fact that the game sucked. Your opinion is not fact. Don't present it as such.

Doesn't stop it from being a overly simplified game compared to Morrowind.

...which didn't stop gamers from logging hundreds of hours on it.

But, still. Like most of the industry it's movign towards casualising, it's why I'm playing more PC games these days..hmmm.... delicious complication.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]All 50 of you screaming at the top of your lungs won't do much, though. Just sayin'. More people will enjoy Fallout 3 than any of the previous games in the franchise, because it'll be more commercial, but not quite casual. I think this makes some of the elite fans super ******. foxhound_fox

No thanks. I've heard enough whining for today. ;)

As a fan of chocolate, I don't want Bethesda to give me vanilla icecream and call it chocolate.foxhound_fox

I never said people would be unable to understand why you are upset. Merely that they wouldn't care. I did play and love the old fallout games and do see where you are coming from, I merely see the other-side two. A bunch of people looking forward to what looks like another great bethesda game with an interesting setting. Many of who are tired and bored of the constant outcry of a pretty small minority of hard-core fans. Is it surprising that sympathy is waning?cakeordeath

People like to keep trying to trivialize this by saying that we're a "minority of hardcore fans", and whatnot. Obviously you can't seem to understand that this is why we bring up analogies like MGS and Call of Duty, big franchises with large fanbases, so you can look at it from another point of view.

I would seriously love to see a franchise like MGS become compromised at the hands of another company, so we can properly unearth some of this underlying hypocrisy.

But don't sympathize, then. Don't even make an effort to understand. But also don't complain like Dreams Visions and others if we voice our dissenting opinions on Fallout 3 (as is part of the entire purpose of a discussion board), even though in doing so we're ironically discussing the actual game a lot more than any of its diehard supporters are. Indeed, we'll just ignore the fact that nobody has been able to defend Fallout 3 or Bethesda on their own merits, and refute any of the points we've made against them, but rather seem a lot more willing to toss ad hominems all over the place in its defense.

No thanks. I've heard enough whining for today. ;)BioShockOwnz

[quote="cakeordeath"]I never said people would be unable to understand why you are upset. Merely that they wouldn't care. I did play and love the old fallout games and do see where you are coming from, I merely see the other-side two. A bunch of people looking forward to what looks like another great bethesda game with an interesting setting. Many of who are tired and bored of the constant outcry of a pretty small minority of hard-core fans. Is it surprising that sympathy is waning?Zeliard9

People like to keep trying to trivialize this by saying that we're a "minority of hardcore fans", and whatnot. Obviously you can't seem to understand that this is why we bring up analogies like MGS and Call of Duty, big franchises with large fanbases, so you can look at it from another point of view.

I would seriously love to see a franchise like MGS become compromised at the hands of another company, so we can properly unearth some of this underlying hypocrisy.

But don't sympathize, then. Don't even make an effort to understand. But also don't complain like Dreams Visions and others if we voice our dissenting opinions on Fallout 3 (as is part of the entire purpose of a discussion board), even though in doing so we're ironically discussing the actual game a lot more than any of its diehard supporters are. Indeed, we'll just ignore the fact that nobody has been able to defend Fallout 3 or Bethesda on their own merits, and refute any of the points we've made against them, but rather seem a lot more willing to toss ad hominems all over the place in its defense.

*gulp* I hope I never see the day. Even MGS4 got a little mainstreamed... you can play the entire game first person shooter **** but Kojima has catered to the fans first and foremost.. that's what counts and that is the attempt bestheda should have made.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]things that are not canon = everything you listed. not a single thing you mentioned has to do with canon. how can i understand your point when you're not even making a valid one? ok you don't like that the ghouls are fast? and that it isn't turn based? and that you think there is no story without even playing the game that supposedly has 200+ endings? you think those 200+ endings are just for gameplay? have nothing to do with plot? the mood has changed? nearly every preview i've read says it does a great job of capturing the feeling of the series... tweaking to appeal to casuals? gimme a break.. anyways - don't wanna argue with someone that's so determined to hate a product they have very little knowledge of and haven't played. no offense, but those arguments get old quick.Vandalvideo

1) those are feral ghouls. not to be mistaken for normal ghouls in the fallout canon.

2) fallout pnp clearly states that ghouls can reach the same maximum speed that a normal human can, which means they can sprint

3) you have no idea how the 200+ ending system works. to assume it's random is quite silly imo.

4) to pretend fallout 1 and 2 had incredibly detailed and great stories is to give the series far too much credit. the user made the story by deciding what they wanted to do and when. it always felt like the main story was secondary to this, considering it could be finished in less than an hour if you knew how to do it. in other words, you got what you put in to it.

5) you cleary are determined to hate this, so any arguing if futile. I realize this, just wanted to point out some glaring problems with your paragraph - esp coming from someone with so much apparent passion for the game.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Reviewers and magazines lost their credibility ages ago, and 90% of the gamers are stupid.

They're like in Fahrenheit 451 - slaves of cheap entertainment, and don't know the true values, which are NOT subjective.

Dreams-Visions

lol who, exactly, do you think you are? gamers are stupid because they liked Oblivion? Are you the God of all things gaming, from which you can tell us all what's right, wrong, best and worst about gaming?

Why would you be so haughty and vendictive as to make such a bizarre statement?

Nah, it's just a thing I figured out by reading a crapload of forums. Not only related to Oblivion.

1) those are feral ghouls. not to be mistaken for normal ghouls in the fallout canon. 2) fallout pnp clearly states that ghouls can reach the same maximum speed that a normal human can, which means they can sprint 3) you have no idea how the 200+ ending system works. to assume it's random is quite silly imo.4) to pretend fallout 1 and 2 had incredibly detailed and great stories is to give the series far too much credit. the user made the story by deciding what they wanted to do and when. it always felt like the main story was secondary to this, considering it could be finished in less than an hour if you knew how to do it. in other words, you got what you put in to it. 5) you cleary are determined to hate this, so any arguing if futile. I realize this, just wanted to point out some glaring problems with your paragraph - esp coming from someone with so much apparent passion for the game.3picuri3

Nope, I've read through the first 4 pages of "elite" comments and that was enough. You're not getting a different game, you're getting Fallout 3, okay? No amount of complaining will change this, so therefore adopt to what is or move on. Fallout 3 is the next Fallout game, period. Enjoy! :)BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]if u think some one is actually going to read all this your insane..foxhound_fox

Intelligent on system war ? wrong forum !

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Nolan16"]if u think some one is actually going to read all this your insane..Prid3r

Intelligent on system war ? wrong forum !

Once again, I am NOT determined to hate this. You making that statement shows you clearly haven't read any of my previous posts. I have stated time and time again that this will be a great game. Bethesda has agreat track record. Heck, every last person knocking Fallout 3 have said numerous times that Fallout 3 will be a great gam.e It will just be a HORRIBLE fallout game, as practically everything that remotely defined Fallout is GONE; the humour, the gameplay, the story, the mood, etc all gone.Vandalvideo

People really need to understand this. We're not blindly hating on Fallout 3, and I could understand being annoyed if we were. We're not, and we're not hating on it for trivial, "elitist" reasons. We keep listing logical reasons for why we feel how we feel, and literally every Fallout 3 detractor who's posts I've read here lately has said that it'll still probably be a good game (Vandal said several times it'll be a "great" game).

So it's not some blind hatred of it, it's not like some belief that there's no way it could be a good game. Yes, it could be good, it probably will be good, but Bethesda trying to use the loaded Fallout name to make a game that's distinctly non-Fallout is what's rubbing people the wrong way.

People become understandably annoyed when big movie studios buy a clas-sic film franchise out to try and remake or continue it for "modern audiences" and bank on its name. This is basically the same thing.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]1) those are feral ghouls. not to be mistaken for normal ghouls in the fallout canon. 2) fallout pnp clearly states that ghouls can reach the same maximum speed that a normal human can, which means they can sprint 3) you have no idea how the 200+ ending system works. to assume it's random is quite silly imo.4) to pretend fallout 1 and 2 had incredibly detailed and great stories is to give the series far too much credit. the user made the story by deciding what they wanted to do and when. it always felt like the main story was secondary to this, considering it could be finished in less than an hour if you knew how to do it. in other words, you got what you put in to it. 5) you cleary are determined to hate this, so any arguing if futile. I realize this, just wanted to point out some glaring problems with your paragraph - esp coming from someone with so much apparent passion for the game.Vandalvideo

it's absolutely stunning and hilarious how little most of you that claim the game will be a 'horrible fallout game' know about the game. here's a place to start for you - as you obviously need some questions clarified.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_FAQ#Will_ghouls_appear_in_Fallout_3.3F

FERAL GHOULS are creature ghouls. Ghouls in the wild, that are 'faster and more creature like'. THERE WILL be normal ghouls as NPCs and enemies that you can interact with.

please read the whole thing, everyone, because most of you are basing your knowledge of the game on loose forum snippets and rumors made by bitter jaded gamers.

Beth has said repeatedly that there are many apparent issues with canon based on the information we have publicly available - and has CONSTANTLY tried to assure people their fears are ill-based and that everything will be explained by -GASP- PLAYING THE GAME. the brotherhood aspects were covered by these comments - the reason they run rampant is part of the story.

you think they'd spoil things just to make the small group of bitter gamers worry less?

after you're done with the faq register in the official forums - maybe being exposed to some 'facts' will settle some of you down.

[QUOTE="pieatorium"]Some Techno, Pop and Rap isn't garbage either and how do you know it's good? have you played the final product?

Bethesda isn't garbage to you maybe but maybe to other people they are or at least in the area's that made fallout what it is.

You aren't tyring to open anyones eyes to anything you are asking us to blindly accept bethesda's vision because "change can be a wonderful thing, well it can also be horrible.

There is more than enough information out there to show that the game will probably be a dumbed down action rpg (and possibly light on the RP if Oblivion is anything to go by ) and we know for a fact that much of the backstory has been bastardised.

ShaneBeck

No offense, but maybe you shouldn't have brought up music analogies at all? It's not so much anyone else's understanding of them, as it is their flawed nature to begin with, as you basically hated on rap and techno music, both of which are absolutely amazing when listening to the right artists.

:?

absolutely stunning and hilarious how little most of you that claim the game will be a 'horrible fallout game' know about the game. here's a place to start for you - as you obviously need some questions clarified. FERAL GHOULS are creature ghouls. Ghouls in the wild, that are 'faster and more creature like'. THERE WILL be normal ghouls as NPCs and enemies that you can interact with. please read the whole thing, everyone, because most of you are basing your knowledge of the game on loose forum snippets and rumors made by bitter jaded gamers. Beth has said repeatedly that there are many apparent issues with canon based on the information we have publicly available - and has CONSTANTLY tried to assure people their fears are ill-based and that everything will be explained by -GASP- PLAYING THE GAME. you think they'd spoil things just to make the small group of bitter gamers worry less? after you're done with the faq register in the official forums - maybe being exposed to some 'facts' will settle some of you down.3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]absolutely stunning and hilarious how little most of you that claim the game will be a 'horrible fallout game' know about the game. here's a place to start for you - as you obviously need some questions clarified. FERAL GHOULS are creature ghouls. Ghouls in the wild, that are 'faster and more creature like'. THERE WILL be normal ghouls as NPCs and enemies that you can interact with. please read the whole thing, everyone, because most of you are basing your knowledge of the game on loose forum snippets and rumors made by bitter jaded gamers. Beth has said repeatedly that there are many apparent issues with canon based on the information we have publicly available - and has CONSTANTLY tried to assure people their fears are ill-based and that everything will be explained by -GASP- PLAYING THE GAME. you think they'd spoil things just to make the small group of bitter gamers worry less? after you're done with the faq register in the official forums - maybe being exposed to some 'facts' will settle some of you down.Vandalvideo

please - read.

and go back and read the pnp, and play the original games. feral ghouls were VERY VERY common. they were in fact more commonplace than ghouls living in society. yes, many did settle with humans and humans accepted them by in large - but there were many many many feral ghoul encounters. and many feral ghouls would be found specifically around radiated areas as they survived off radiation :)

i can't get over how much you get wrong - and you have the nerve to say 3 will be horrible, lol.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]absolutely stunning and hilarious how little most of you that claim the game will be a 'horrible fallout game' know about the game. here's a place to start for you - as you obviously need some questions clarified. FERAL GHOULS are creature ghouls. Ghouls in the wild, that are 'faster and more creature like'. THERE WILL be normal ghouls as NPCs and enemies that you can interact with. please read the whole thing, everyone, because most of you are basing your knowledge of the game on loose forum snippets and rumors made by bitter jaded gamers. Beth has said repeatedly that there are many apparent issues with canon based on the information we have publicly available - and has CONSTANTLY tried to assure people their fears are ill-based and that everything will be explained by -GASP- PLAYING THE GAME. you think they'd spoil things just to make the small group of bitter gamers worry less? after you're done with the faq register in the official forums - maybe being exposed to some 'facts' will settle some of you down.Vandalvideo

To be fair, Bethesda did say pretty clearly that the civilised Ghouls are indeed in the game and that you will indeed interract with them;they just haven't shown them off yet.

The only thing which bothered me about the ghouls was the rediculous ability to hurt and heal others using radiation blasts. :?

and go back and read the pnp, and play the original games. feral ghouls were VERY VERY common. they were in fact more commonplace than ghouls living in society. yes, many did settle with humans and humans accepted them by in large - but there were many many many feral ghoul encounters. and many feral ghouls would be found specifically around radiated areas as they survived off radiation :) i can't get over how much you get wrong - and you have the nerve to say 3 will be horrible, lol.3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]and go back and read the pnp, and play the original games. feral ghouls were VERY VERY common. they were in fact more commonplace than ghouls living in society. yes, many did settle with humans and humans accepted them by in large - but there were many many many feral ghoul encounters. and many feral ghouls would be found specifically around radiated areas as they survived off radiation :) i can't get over how much you get wrong - and you have the nerve to say 3 will be horrible, lol.Vandalvideo

What he said.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Remember, Interplay killed Fallout, not Bethesda...

thrones

Doubtful. I don't see Fallout 3 getting below 8.5's across the board, but we'll see. Also, if I play it and dislike it, then I'll be honest about it. I didn't like Oblivion at all. I think Fallout 3 looks sexy delicious, though. MMM, it's the Fallout I've always wanted. MMM, yes! :D How much do you guys love me now....? :)

I slightly dislike you. But, to the point it wouldn't be the fallout I grew up with and laughed at. It's like your son growing up and honour student and returning home a druggy :|

An analogy using the failure of a formerly successful, but turned failure son in direct comparison to a video game series that you love being remade by another developer????......

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]and go back and read the pnp, and play the original games. feral ghouls were VERY VERY common. they were in fact more commonplace than ghouls living in society. yes, many did settle with humans and humans accepted them by in large - but there were many many many feral ghoul encounters. and many feral ghouls would be found specifically around radiated areas as they survived off radiation :) i can't get over how much you get wrong - and you have the nerve to say 3 will be horrible, lol.Vandalvideo

Common Feral Ghoul from a Random Encounter outside city - hostile

Glowing Ones - Variation of the Common Ghoul, also feral, found in Necropolis

Have a good day - finished arguing with you. If you want to read everything and play it and come back I'll welcome any constructive argument re: your concerns with fallout 3.

Change the name to Fallout: Combat and I'm happy :)RK-Mara

Common Feral Ghoul from a Random Encounter outside city - hostile Glowing Ones - Variation of the Common Ghoul, also feral, found in Necropolis Have a good day - finished arguing with you. If you want to read everything and play it and come back I'll welcome any constructive argument re: your concerns with fallout 3.3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Common Feral Ghoul from a Random Encounter outside city - hostile Glowing Ones - Variation of the Common Ghoul, also feral, found in Necropolis Have a good day - finished arguing with you. If you want to read everything and play it and come back I'll welcome any constructive argument re: your concerns with fallout 3.Vandalvideo

do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.

a. wild; untamed; savage; (of animal species) living in the wild, especially after previously being domesticated; funereal. ferae, n.pl. carnivorous animals. ferae naturae, (Latin) 'of a wild nature'; animals living in the wild

hm - a ghoul in the wild that attacks me that i can't communicate with and that just makes grunts and ramblings. certainly seems civilized to me :roll:

like i said before, some people will go to any length to hate on a franchise.

The whole choice thing in games is BS, just about everyone there is always one that is by far the best or the fact that the majority of the game does have combat, specialising in other attributes only helps in certain situationsEgghead360

Someone never played fallout :|

do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.3picuri3

do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]Common Feral Ghoul from a Random Encounter outside city - hostile Glowing Ones - Variation of the Common Ghoul, also feral, found in Necropolis Have a good day - finished arguing with you. If you want to read everything and play it and come back I'll welcome any constructive argument re: your concerns with fallout 3.Vandalvideo

Again though, Bethesda said that all would be explained in the game; ie how supermutants ended up on the east side. In fact, they even said they were a little surprised at how Fallout fans hadn't figured that out yet, and how many of them got stuff fundamentally wrong regarding the original game.

I mean i dont like the sound of nuke proof phone boxes; but why are we getting so annoyed at feral ghouls? There WERE ghouls in the original who were creature-like and mindless, who were hostile to you. I'm sure of it.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.

RobbieH1234

Again though, rathe than flip out at the presence of a new enemy, surely we're better off waiting to see how they come about? Bethesda said quite clearly that all of this is explained. It's not as if they're just changing things without cause of explanation.

Again though, Bethesda said that all would be explained in the game; ie how supermutants ended up on the east side. In fact, they even said they were a little surprised at how Fallout fans hadn't figured that out yet, and how many of them got stuff fundamentally wrong regarding the original game.I mean i dont like the sound of nuke proof phone boxes; but why are we getting so annoyed at feral ghouls? There WERE ghouls in the original who were creature-like and mindless, who were hostile to you. I'm sure of it. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.

RobbieH1234

Indeed :|

Bethesda can explain it all they want. It doesn't make it any less a rhetcon. There were ghouls that were KOS, but they weren't necessarily feral, or atleast there wasn't anything to support such an idea. Just because someone is KOS doesn't mean they're insane or feral.Vandalvideo

But why are you so bothered about the presence of feral ghouls? We already know that the normy ghouls are present; there is simply an addition of creature-like ghouls, which have been explained to have been so crippled by radiation that they have short life expectancies and possess a degree of feral mindlessness. Is that really an epic departure? Something to get so horrible worked up about? If they were implemented into Fallout 2 over Fallout 1, would you have flipped out then?

I just think this is a bad example of something to be complaining about. A new enemy; if even that. You could argue that it's simply a slightly different version of what was there in the first place.

What's the big deal? They have to add SOMETHING, thus being the whole point of a sequel.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.Vandalvideo

feral means wild. do you know what ad hominem means? lmao

so let me get this straight.

1) there are ghouls in the wild in Fallout 1 / 2

2) because they aren't called feral in the pnp it means they're not in the wild? that they're civilized and taking a stroll but decide to try to eat me because they have low blood sugar and had a lapse in reasoning?

ad hominem, lmao.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.3picuri3

feral means wild. do you know what ad hominem means? lmao

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.

thrones

Indeed :|

yeah, so game is 'horrible fallout game' because of feral ghouls - who may or may not have powers that are explained via the plot / story.

wow.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Bethesda can explain it all they want. It doesn't make it any less a rhetcon. There were ghouls that were KOS, but they weren't necessarily feral, or atleast there wasn't anything to support such an idea. Just because someone is KOS doesn't mean they're insane or feral.Ninja-Hippo

But why are you so bothered about the presence of feral ghouls? We already know that the normy ghouls are present; there is simply an addition of creature-like ghouls, which have been explained to have been so crippled by radiation that they have short life expectancies and possess a degree of feral mindlessness. Is that really an epic departure? Something to get so horrible worked up about? If they were implemented into Fallout 2 over Fallout 1, would you have flipped out then?

I just think this is a bad example of something to be complaining about. A new enemy; if even that. You could argue that it's simply a slightly different version of what was there in the first place.

What's the big deal? They have to add SOMETHING, thus being the whole point of a sequel.

Again though, rathe than flip out at the presence of a new enemy, surely we're better off waiting to see how they come about? Bethesda said quite clearly that all of this is explained. It's not as if they're just changing things without cause of explanation.

Ninja-Hippo

I'm going to use the TC's original idea of your favourite game and different developers making sequels. Take Halo 2, for example. At the end of it the Elites and Grunts had separated from the Covenant, not necessarily out of admiration for the humans, but rather anger and disdain towards the Prophets.

In Halo 3, however, the Grunts are no longer on your side. They're back following the orders of the Prophets, fighting for the holy covenant. Now, imagine if there was a 10 year gap between halo 2 and 3, and that by the time it was developed, bungie have gone under and another studio is at the helm.

"OH MY GOD they are ruining this game", we'd say. "Everybody knows the grunts were allied with the elites! Why are they changing this!? This game is going to ruin the series."

In reality though, bungie changed that. And they did so because it made sense; killing grunts was epic fun, they didnt want to take that away. And they explained the change well, and simply, using the prophet propaganda holograms all over the game, and the arbiter on the first level "it would appear that the grunts new courage lies with fear...", to let the player know that the grunts have been threatened into fighting against you. All makes sense. All in context. Super.

Because it's another developer though, and years later, and we're all so attached to the original, we instead flip out. They dont know what they're doing. They're ruining the series. This never would have been in the original.

When it's highly likely that any changes will be explained simply, will fit with the series, and will make sense. We're simply being overly hostile to change because we see this as OUR game and not Bethesda's to alter, even though their alterations will more than likely be just fine.

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]do you know what feral means???? maybe that's your problem.Vandalvideo

feral means wild. do you know what ad hominem means? lmao

asking if someone knows what something means is a question - not an example of ad hominem. and the fact of the matter is that you don't know what it means based on your explanations. unless you want to try to tell me there are no documented cases of feral patients that had originated in civilized society.

add to that your omission of the fact that even the creators of the fallout universe still have arguments about the origin of ghouls re: FEV and pure radiation I think it's safe to say not all ghouls had to come from bakersfield. even the Vault wiki says 'most' originated in 12/bakersfield.

asking if someone knows what something means is a question - not an example of ad hominem. and the fact of the matter is that you don't know what it means based on your explanations. unless you want to try to tell me there are no documented cases of feral patients that had originated in civilized society. add to that your omission of the fact that even the creators of the fallout universe still have arguments about the origin of ghouls re: FEV and pure radiation I think it's safe to say not all ghouls had to come from bakersfield. even the Vault wiki says 'most' originated in 12/bakersfield. 3picuri3

RobbieH1234 - glitchspot if giving me HTML errors when i quote...

Yes, yes i'm well aware of how ghouls came about. Again though; Bethesda said "aren't you curious as to how the ghouls ended up on the east coast? Surely somebody has figured it out?"

So again, dont be so hostile to these things. Clearly it'll all be explained and will fit with the original story, otherwise why are they surprised that the fallout hardcore haven't figured out how it happened already? When the game comes out, and no explanation is offered, and everything is different without reason, complain. Simply discarding any new developments however, makes no sense. At least give it a chance. Why must everything be met with disdain?

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]asking if someone knows what something means is a question - not an example of ad hominem. and the fact of the matter is that you don't know what it means based on your explanations. unless you want to try to tell me there are no documented cases of feral patients that had originated in civilized society. add to that your omission of the fact that even the creators of the fallout universe still have arguments about the origin of ghouls re: FEV and pure radiation I think it's safe to say not all ghouls had to come from bakersfield. even the Vault wiki says 'most' originated in 12/bakersfield. Vandalvideo

So is the problem now that bethesda didn't use a scientific dictionary before designing characters for this fantasy universe?

So is the problem now that bethesda didn't use a scientific dictionary before designing characters for thsi fantasy univers?cakeorrdeath

Because its a RETCON. I'm merely pointing out the fact that bethesda isn't following cannon. Thats it.Vandalvideo

No, you're assuming it's a retcon. You're taking a negative approach and refusing to see this as anything other than a bad thing. Any host of new story developments could result in feral ghouls. And Bethesda have reassured fans that all we be explained. Why you're assuming that they're rewriting the very history of which the game is set is beyond me.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Because its a RETCON. I'm merely pointing out the fact that bethesda isn't following cannon. Thats it.Ninja-Hippo

No, you're assuming it's a retcon. You're taking a negative approach and refusing to see this as anything other than a bad thing. Any host of new story developments could result in feral ghouls. And Bethesda have reassured fans that all we be explained. Why you're assuming that they're rewriting the very history of which the game is set is beyond me.