The PS3 Over take the 360.

 

 

Once again i had a link to back me up,and your own link turn on you,it wasn't accurate either.

 

All fat 360 are pront to RROD,and while newer model improved there were not RROD safe in any way,they could fail at any day,only slim models don't suffer RROD,sadly slim models enter the market on late 2010,any fat unit prior to that can RROD.

So see what is 30 to 35% of what MS had until 2010 and you will get the idea,the xbox 360 was like at 46 millions when the slim models hit,so do the math.

Also YLOD is not even close to RROD,in fact by your own link,even witout RROD other hardware problems on 360 make it more unreliable than the PS3,the PS3 had 10% the xbox 360 11+ % that was when RROD was taken out of the picture.

tormentos

How did my link turn on me? Are you actually reading the articles you are quoting? It showed exactly what I said. That the actual failure rate was in the 30s. Not the mid 50% like you were quoting. Here is the last line of the part that you think turned on me...."With that caveat in mind, applying the survey data to the analysis shows that the Xbox 360 failure rate could be as high as 35%" They reported 23.7%, but if you factored in the people who Square Trade figured went directly to MS it would be as high as 35%....not the 54% you were claiming. 

Your link does nothing but confirm that the failure rate was in the 30s. Try reading it again. Sure the launch model failures were probably higher, but the later models were probably lower. We don't know. We do know that the Falcons were much more reliable than the Xenons. So it is concievable to believe that 30%-35% of the phat 360s were prone to failure.

Even with that, you can't just remove those numbers from the overall sales like you want to do. You have no idea how many people actually re-bought the console, how many people had the console fixed for free, how many people fixed it themselves, and how many people never bought another Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my last point. I never said that the YLoD was as bad as the RRoD. Nobody would claim that. What I said is that if you are going to start speculating tha amount of 360s bought as replacements for a RRoD failure without any actual numbers. Then it is fair for someone to start speculating the number of PS3s that were bought as replacements for PS3s that failed out of warranty for YLoD, DRE, Blu-ray diode failures, etc.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] At this point it really doesn't matter. Either way you're talking fractions. The Wii smeared em both and they finished equal last in sales.blue_hazy_basic

i've taught you well. :)

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

 

No moo pain, only happiness now.

Shewgenja

You really cannot help yourself can you, poor cow. :P

Sorry, i can't understand mooish, do you speak English?

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]Well since you say that, is there some sort of cut off date. I think the Wii won last gen, and its old news now. But what if the PS3 or 360 eventually overtake it, since they still have life in them whereas the Wii is dead. CaseyWegner

i've taught you well. :)

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]Well since you say that, is there some sort of cut off date. I think the Wii won last gen, and its old news now. But what if the PS3 or 360 eventually overtake it, since they still have life in them whereas the Wii is dead. CaseyWegner

i've taught you well. :)

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Traditionally SW starts a new round when the first console of gen launches. So last gen was when the 360 launched, from there we count PC games, not before, for example.Shewgenja

i've taught you well. :)

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="epicgameplayer"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]RR360DD

The 360 is at 77.2 million. The PS3 is at 80.4 million-FY2012.PS2.The real sales numbers for the PS3 will be around 77.2 million most likely which will put it in a slight lead, tie or 3rd place depending on how much was shipped.

The PS3 isn't at 80.4, because its confirmed at the very least the PS2 shipped 2.6 million units. Resports state that revenues were down due to sliding PS3, PSP and Vita sales. No mention of the PS2, so it probably met FY11 numbers (around 4 million) meaning the PS3 is at around 76.4, just a bit under the 360.

Add to that the fact Sony have been directly competing with MS all gen (not Nintendo), and that even something as simple as writing a sentence saying we've overtaken the 360 in total sales didn't happen.

That seems more logically.So there is at least a 90% chance that the PS3 is still in third place.

Speaking as a long time PS fan, I just wanted to say that people really need to stop harping on RROD. Yes, it was a huge issue for MS that cost them a bunch of money. But I refuse to believe that every person who had an RROD, or even more than one, went out to just buy a brand new console right away. I know 2 people who had RROD and both did exactly what I would have done if my PS3 broke...called a local retailer capable of fixing it. I see zero evidence that people have a bunch of money to throw away on replacement consoles if their breaks.

Further, even assuming every single person who had RROD went and bought a new 360, that tells me those people value the console and highly support it. Much the DRE with the PS2. Yes, people may be mad and start rumbling of a class action lawsuit, but at the end of the day (or console gen) people will buy what they feel is of value and continue to support it. So it makes zero difference if X people bought more than one 360. What matters it people felt it was worth it to buy the console. ANd MS or retailers certainly don't care if people buy more than one console. The real issue or sign of failure would be if RROD had a negative affect on sales. Clearly it didn't.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Traditionally SW starts a new round when the first console of gen launches. So last gen was when the 360 launched, from there we count PC games, not before, for example.blue_hazy_basic

i've taught you well. :)

it just looks so familiar.

so... anyone got proof of this?Jakandsigz

Speaking as a long time PS fan, I just wanted to say that people really need to stop harping on RROD. Yes, it was a huge issue for MS that cost them a bunch of money. But I refuse to believe that every person who had an RROD, or even more than one, went out to just buy a brand new console right away. I know 2 people who had RROD and both did exactly what I would have done if my PS3 broke...called a local retailer capable of fixing it. I see zero evidence that people have a bunch of money to throw away on replacement consoles if their breaks.

Further, even assuming every single person who had RROD went and bought a new 360, that tells me those people value the console and highly support it. Much the DRE with the PS2. Yes, people may be mad and start rumbling of a class action lawsuit, but at the end of the day (or console gen) people will buy what they feel is of value and continue to support it. So it makes zero difference if X people bought more than one 360. What matters it people felt it was worth it to buy the console. ANd MS or retailers certainly don't care if people buy more than one console. The real issue or sign of failure would be if RROD had a negative affect on sales. Clearly it didn't.

ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Speaking as a long time PS fan, I just wanted to say that people really need to stop harping on RROD. Yes, it was a huge issue for MS that cost them a bunch of money. But I refuse to believe that every person who had an RROD, or even more than one, went out to just buy a brand new console right away. I know 2 people who had RROD and both did exactly what I would have done if my PS3 broke...called a local retailer capable of fixing it. I see zero evidence that people have a bunch of money to throw away on replacement consoles if their breaks.

Further, even assuming every single person who had RROD went and bought a new 360, that tells me those people value the console and highly support it. Much the DRE with the PS2. Yes, people may be mad and start rumbling of a class action lawsuit, but at the end of the day (or console gen) people will buy what they feel is of value and continue to support it. So it makes zero difference if X people bought more than one 360. What matters it people felt it was worth it to buy the console. ANd MS or retailers certainly don't care if people buy more than one console. The real issue or sign of failure would be if RROD had a negative affect on sales. Clearly it didn't.

Shewgenja

This again ?

How many times do the same old Cows have to claim victory over the 360 before they actually convince themselves that it's true :lol:

xbox has been in last place for years in games, 

now xbox is last in sales as well :lol:

pretty sad considering ps3's insane launch price and their head start 

ps4 will be more affordable and will steamroll the kinectbox 2.0 from day one 

more sad days ahead for micro$oft fans :lol:

xbox has been in last place for years in games, 

now xbox is last in sales as well :lol:

 

pretty sad considering ps3's insane launch price and their head start 

 

ps4 will be more affordable and will steamroll the kinectbox 2.0 from day one 

more sad days ahead for micro$oft fans :lol:

OldSnakePS3

xbox has been in last place for years in games, 

now xbox is last in sales as well :lol:

 

pretty sad considering ps3's insane launch price and their head start 

 

ps4 will be more affordable and will steamroll the kinectbox 2.0 from day one 

more sad days ahead for micro$oft fans :lol:

OldSnakePS3

:lol: Lems have been hyping sales instead of games since 2009 and the result is that they have neither sales nor scores now. I guess somewere along the line they forgot that people buy consoles for games and not apps and Kinect. All that time PS3 has been outselling the 360 worldwide and lems continued to bury their heads in the sand with NPD sales charts and MS's stock reports. :lol: Reality is a biatch Lems, you got served now eat it up.

[QUOTE="OldSnakePS3"]

xbox has been in last place for years in games, 

now xbox is last in sales as well :lol:

 

pretty sad considering ps3's insane launch price and their head start 

 

ps4 will be more affordable and will steamroll the kinectbox 2.0 from day one 

more sad days ahead for micro$oft fans :lol:

I_can_haz

:lol: Lems have been hyping sales instead of games since 2009 and the result is that they have neither sales nor scores now. I guess somewere along the line they forgot that people buy consoles for games and not apps and Kinect. All that time PS3 has been outselling the 360 worldwide and lems continued to bury their heads in the sand with NPD sales charts and MS's stock reports. :lol: Reality is a biatch Lems, you got served now eat it up.

The PS3's current LTD is most likely not higher's than the 360's current LTD because of the number of PS2's shipped in FY12.

[QUOTE="OldSnakePS3"]

xbox has been in last place for years in games, 

now xbox is last in sales as well :lol:

 

pretty sad considering ps3's insane launch price and their head start 

 

ps4 will be more affordable and will steamroll the kinectbox 2.0 from day one 

more sad days ahead for micro$oft fans :lol:

Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"][QUOTE="OldSnakePS3"]

xbox has been in last place for years in games, 

now xbox is last in sales as well :lol:

 

pretty sad considering ps3's insane launch price and their head start 

 

ps4 will be more affordable and will steamroll the kinectbox 2.0 from day one 

more sad days ahead for micro$oft fans :lol:

OldSnakePS3

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:cool: SDC.

 

:lol: Lems have been hyping sales instead of games since 2009 and the result is that they have neither sales nor scores now. I guess somewere along the line they forgot that people buy consoles for games and not apps and Kinect. All that time PS3 has been outselling the 360 worldwide and lems continued to bury their heads in the sand with NPD sales charts and MS's stock reports. :lol: Reality is a biatch Lems, you got served now eat it up.

I_can_haz

The PS3's current LTD is most likely not higher's than the 360's current LTD because of the number of PS2's shipped in FY12.

80.4 million-FY12 2012 PS2 is winning?Sony is just confusing people with the way they are reoprting console sales.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="super600"]

 

The PS3's current LTD is most likely not higher's than the 360's current LTD because of the number of PS2's shipped in FY12.

super600

80.4 million-FY12 2012 PS2 is winning?Sony is just confusing people with the way they are reoprting console sales.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: How does it feel to be last place despite releasing first lem?I_can_haz

80.4 million-FY12 2012 PS2 is winning?Sony is just confusing people with the way they are reoprting console sales.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="super600"]

80.4 million-FY12 2012 PS2 is winning?Sony is just confusing people with the way they are reoprting console sales.

Jakandsigz

Here's a tip. If this crap is bothering you try to report it as disruptive posting.I doubt it will work, but try it.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Jakandsigz"] Seriously, can we just consider this spam? THis is all system wars is now, and if you have a clever comeback, they just put out the same spam again.I_can_haz

Here's a tip. If this crap is bothering you try to report it as disruptive posting.I doubt it will work, but try it.

You do know that was a tip from an admin?:lol:

Relax Lems, you still have superior multiplats.

System wars seems to have devloved so much now, that it''s basically the same 4 phases, and the same 2 emoticons over and over and over agai with nothing to actually talk about.Jakandsigz

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="super600"]

 

The PS3's current LTD is most likely not higher's than the 360's current LTD because of the number of PS2's shipped in FY12.

super600

80.4 million-FY12 2012 PS2 is winning?Sony is just confusing people with the way they are reoprting console sales.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: How does it feel to be last place despite releasing first lem?I_can_haz

80.4 million-FY12 2012 PS2 is winning?Sony is just confusing people with the way they are reoprting console sales.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]SO much butthurt from you lems. If I'm annoying you guys that much it means you guys are really upset about being last place. I_can_haz

You do know that was a tip from an admin?:lol:

REDUNDANT.

Get out of here haz :lol:

REDUNDANT.

Get out of here haz :lol:

RR360DD

Maybe lems should stop playin up sales, then maybe this wouldn't have happened......but no they talk the trash now all i hear is WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]Cows have actually gotten worse. Yeah i know, i didn't think it was possible either.blue_hazy_basic

You just described all of Tessellation post in this thread.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol just because lems are getting owned up and down? is not our problem that M$ treat you like second class citizens and you fall for it.tormentos

You just described all of Tessellation post in this thread.

Maybe lems should stop playin up sales, then maybe this wouldn't have happened......but no they talk the trash now all i hear is WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Syn_Valence

clean your ears, maybe?

 

 

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

 

Once again i had a link to back me up,and your own link turn on you,it wasn't accurate either.

 

All fat 360 are pront to RROD,and while newer model improved there were not RROD safe in any way,they could fail at any day,only slim models don't suffer RROD,sadly slim models enter the market on late 2010,any fat unit prior to that can RROD.

So see what is 30 to 35% of what MS had until 2010 and you will get the idea,the xbox 360 was like at 46 millions when the slim models hit,so do the math.

Also YLOD is not even close to RROD,in fact by your own link,even witout RROD other hardware problems on 360 make it more unreliable than the PS3,the PS3 had 10% the xbox 360 11+ % that was when RROD was taken out of the picture.

coasterguy65

How did my link turn on me? Are you actually reading the articles you are quoting? It showed exactly what I said. That the actual failure rate was in the 30s. Not the mid 50% like you were quoting. Here is the last line of the part that you think turned on me...."With that caveat in mind, applying the survey data to the analysis shows that the Xbox 360 failure rate could be as high as 35%" They reported 23.7%, but if you factored in the people who Square Trade figured went directly to MS it would be as high as 35%....not the 54% you were claiming. 

Your link does nothing but confirm that the failure rate was in the 30s. Try reading it again. Sure the launch model failures were probably higher, but the later models were probably lower. We don't know. We do know that the Falcons were much more reliable than the Xenons. So it is concievable to believe that 30%-35% of the phat 360s were prone to failure.

Even with that, you can't just remove those numbers from the overall sales like you want to do. You have no idea how many people actually re-bought the console, how many people had the console fixed for free, how many people fixed it themselves, and how many people never bought another Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my last point. I never said that the YLoD was as bad as the RRoD. Nobody would claim that. What I said is that if you are going to start speculating tha amount of 360s bought as replacements for a RRoD failure without any actual numbers. Then it is fair for someone to start speculating the number of PS3s that were bought as replacements for PS3s that failed out of warranty for YLoD, DRE, Blu-ray diode failures, etc.

I back it my claim the hell are you talking about,you just refuste mine with yours,which have different numbers,is funny how GI one actally had 54% of the units die,but even worst you link doesn't really know how many people actually contacted MS directly,remember the number they have is based on the 16,000 they have,and not actual numbers inside MS.

Which makes GI article and 54% fail rate even better.

And the first one dd state 54% even higher than i claim.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54

Hell another IGN article talk about the first batch of 360 having a fail rate between 40% and 80%..

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

The 360 is at 77.2 million. The PS3 is at 80.4 million-FY2012.PS2.The real sales numbers for the PS3 will be around 77.2 million most likely which will put it in a slight lead, tie or 3rd place depending on how much was shipped.

super600

The PS3 isn't at 80.4, because its confirmed at the very least the PS2 shipped 2.6 million units. Resports state that revenues were down due to sliding PS3, PSP and Vita sales. No mention of the PS2, so it probably met FY11 numbers (around 4 million) meaning the PS3 is at around 76.4, just a bit under the 360.

Add to that the fact Sony have been directly competing with MS all gen (not Nintendo), and that even something as simple as writing a sentence saying we've overtaken the 360 in total sales didn't happen.

That seems more logically.So there is at least a 90% chance that the PS3 is still in third place.

How does that even make sense.?

If the least the PS2 shipped was 2.6 millions that puts the PS3 ahead of the 360,since sony shipped 16.5 million units.

16.5 - 2.6 = 13.9

Again 13.9 +  63.9 = 77.8  That is 600K more than the 360.

So the xbox could be in the lead by a small margin sony most have shipped more than 3.2 million PS2 which i highly doubt they did,considering the sold 4.1 million last year and declining.

In fact on fiscal year ending March 30 2011,sony sold 6.4 million PS2,on fiscal year 2012 which ended on march 2012 the PS2 sold 4.1..

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/26/sony-posts-fy-2010-earnings-singles-out-profits-in-playstation/

So he PS2 sold 2.3 million units less in 2012 than in 2011,and now you want me to believe that they some how manage to sell close to the 4.1 million they sold last year.? come one...

Look at the drop for your self.

Als this units are sold to retailers not sold to the public,so saying sales are down don't say much.

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

 

 

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

 

Once again i had a link to back me up,and your own link turn on you,it wasn't accurate either.

 

All fat 360 are pront to RROD,and while newer model improved there were not RROD safe in any way,they could fail at any day,only slim models don't suffer RROD,sadly slim models enter the market on late 2010,any fat unit prior to that can RROD.

So see what is 30 to 35% of what MS had until 2010 and you will get the idea,the xbox 360 was like at 46 millions when the slim models hit,so do the math.

Also YLOD is not even close to RROD,in fact by your own link,even witout RROD other hardware problems on 360 make it more unreliable than the PS3,the PS3 had 10% the xbox 360 11+ % that was when RROD was taken out of the picture.

tormentos

How did my link turn on me? Are you actually reading the articles you are quoting? It showed exactly what I said. That the actual failure rate was in the 30s. Not the mid 50% like you were quoting. Here is the last line of the part that you think turned on me...."With that caveat in mind, applying the survey data to the analysis shows that the Xbox 360 failure rate could be as high as 35%" They reported 23.7%, but if you factored in the people who Square Trade figured went directly to MS it would be as high as 35%....not the 54% you were claiming. 

Your link does nothing but confirm that the failure rate was in the 30s. Try reading it again. Sure the launch model failures were probably higher, but the later models were probably lower. We don't know. We do know that the Falcons were much more reliable than the Xenons. So it is concievable to believe that 30%-35% of the phat 360s were prone to failure.

Even with that, you can't just remove those numbers from the overall sales like you want to do. You have no idea how many people actually re-bought the console, how many people had the console fixed for free, how many people fixed it themselves, and how many people never bought another Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my last point. I never said that the YLoD was as bad as the RRoD. Nobody would claim that. What I said is that if you are going to start speculating tha amount of 360s bought as replacements for a RRoD failure without any actual numbers. Then it is fair for someone to start speculating the number of PS3s that were bought as replacements for PS3s that failed out of warranty for YLoD, DRE, Blu-ray diode failures, etc.

I back it my claim the hell are you talking about,you just refuste mine with yours,which have different numbers,is funny how GI one actally had 54% of the units die,but even worst you link doesn't really know how many people actually contacted MS directly,remember the number they have is based on the 16,000 they have,and not actual numbers inside MS.

Which makes GI article and 54% fail rate even better.

And the first one dd state 54% even higher than i claim.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54

Hell another IGN article talk about the first batch of 360 having a fail rate between 40% and 80%..

   As usual, you keep claiming you're using Logic but utilize the same old 1 + 1 = true as long as it is anti-MS schtick over and over again.

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

 

 

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

 

Once again i had a link to back me up,and your own link turn on you,it wasn't accurate either.

 

All fat 360 are pront to RROD,and while newer model improved there were not RROD safe in any way,they could fail at any day,only slim models don't suffer RROD,sadly slim models enter the market on late 2010,any fat unit prior to that can RROD.

So see what is 30 to 35% of what MS had until 2010 and you will get the idea,the xbox 360 was like at 46 millions when the slim models hit,so do the math.

Also YLOD is not even close to RROD,in fact by your own link,even witout RROD other hardware problems on 360 make it more unreliable than the PS3,the PS3 had 10% the xbox 360 11+ % that was when RROD was taken out of the picture.

tormentos

How did my link turn on me? Are you actually reading the articles you are quoting? It showed exactly what I said. That the actual failure rate was in the 30s. Not the mid 50% like you were quoting. Here is the last line of the part that you think turned on me...."With that caveat in mind, applying the survey data to the analysis shows that the Xbox 360 failure rate could be as high as 35%" They reported 23.7%, but if you factored in the people who Square Trade figured went directly to MS it would be as high as 35%....not the 54% you were claiming. 

Your link does nothing but confirm that the failure rate was in the 30s. Try reading it again. Sure the launch model failures were probably higher, but the later models were probably lower. We don't know. We do know that the Falcons were much more reliable than the Xenons. So it is concievable to believe that 30%-35% of the phat 360s were prone to failure.

Even with that, you can't just remove those numbers from the overall sales like you want to do. You have no idea how many people actually re-bought the console, how many people had the console fixed for free, how many people fixed it themselves, and how many people never bought another Xbox 360.

Which brings me to my last point. I never said that the YLoD was as bad as the RRoD. Nobody would claim that. What I said is that if you are going to start speculating tha amount of 360s bought as replacements for a RRoD failure without any actual numbers. Then it is fair for someone to start speculating the number of PS3s that were bought as replacements for PS3s that failed out of warranty for YLoD, DRE, Blu-ray diode failures, etc.

I back it my claim the hell are you talking about,you just refuste mine with yours,which have different numbers,is funny how GI one actally had 54% of the units die,but even worst you link doesn't really know how many people actually contacted MS directly,remember the number they have is based on the 16,000 they have,and not actual numbers inside MS.

Which makes GI article and 54% fail rate even better.

And the first one dd state 54% even higher than i claim.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54

Hell another IGN article talk about the first batch of 360 having a fail rate between 40% and 80%..