The PS3 Over take the 360.

 

Oh sorry, you have me confused with someone who gives a shit which console sold more,no no no, i'm just hear to laugh at people like you and kuraimen who's happiness relies on the PS3 overtaking the 360 in sales.

If one of your kids liked the 360 more than the PS3 would you disown them?

Snugenz

Oh you are posting fiercely on a thread about sales so yeah you do care..

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

 

Oh sorry, you have me confused with someone who gives a shit which console sold more,no no no, i'm just hear to laugh at people like you and kuraimen who's happiness relies on the PS3 overtaking the 360 in sales.

If one of your kids liked the 360 more than the PS3 would you disown them?

tormentos

Oh you are posting fiercely on a thread about sales so yeah you do care..

Sure don't, eltoooormo.

I am.. I didn't even begin on how "BluRay was risky" when only three or four studios weren't exclusively on board with it? How, even to this day, Sony's overall financial woes are tied in somehow with its gaming business despite little to no evidence that PS3 was impacted? How every American-based analyst who says Playstation will fail was touted as source-material for game journos. I left out plenty of stuff in my post, actually. No tinfoil hat necessita. There was a very deliberate and conscious effort to crown Microsoft this gen. Even before the whole Ferrari laptop scandal it was well known that MS was going into this generation ready to buy advertising left and right. Guess what pays journalists bills? If you guess advertising, you'd be correct. It's not some kind of crop circle phenomenon so much as a basic common sense thing. Perhaps the gaming journalists weren't even aware of how they were bought off, but the Xbox was supposed to be the new cool shiny toy.. The one thing not factored in was the Wii taking all of the casual gamers by storm early on and buying the Playstation 3 time to reach mass market price before the 360 completely shut the door on them. That's just God's honest truth.Shewgenja

Media conspiracy theory aside. What you are saying is that Sony took a lot of risks on their own. Some of those risks backfired, and almost caused the PS3 to not be a success. I agree.

However that still doesn't change the fact that you cannot sit there and list all of these advantages (Sony's mis-steps) that were supposedly handed to MS and not factor in that the RRoD had a negative effect on the 360s sales numbers.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] XBox has made serious ground in the US and UK. However, the 360 is not selling as well worldwide and it had a very large amount of advantages this gen. I don't question that XBoxes growth has not been impressive, but can they keep it up? We'll find out soon enough.coasterguy65

And one very big disadvantage. The RRoD, and MS's poor handling of it. This caused many people to see the 360 as an unreliable piece of hardware. Which turned off some people from buying it.

MS handled rrod fine (well first they denied it...). 3 year warranty, and when e74 problem came, they threw that problem to the 3 year warranty too.

Microsoft got big foothold in europe,because ps3 was expensive as hell, something like 650 euro. And when your friends buy 360, you probably buy it too.

And one very big disadvantage. The RRoD, and MS's poor handling of it. This caused many people to see the 360 as an unreliable piece of hardware. Which turned off some people from buying it.

coasterguy65

Yeh , they should have just ignored it like Sony with the launch PS3 Ylod instead of extending the warranty to 3 years free of charge :roll:

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I am.. I didn't even begin on how "BluRay was risky" when only three or four studios weren't exclusively on board with it? How, even to this day, Sony's overall financial woes are tied in somehow with its gaming business despite little to no evidence that PS3 was impacted? How every American-based analyst who says Playstation will fail was touted as source-material for game journos. I left out plenty of stuff in my post, actually. No tinfoil hat necessita. There was a very deliberate and conscious effort to crown Microsoft this gen. Even before the whole Ferrari laptop scandal it was well known that MS was going into this generation ready to buy advertising left and right. Guess what pays journalists bills? If you guess advertising, you'd be correct. It's not some kind of crop circle phenomenon so much as a basic common sense thing. Perhaps the gaming journalists weren't even aware of how they were bought off, but the Xbox was supposed to be the new cool shiny toy.. The one thing not factored in was the Wii taking all of the casual gamers by storm early on and buying the Playstation 3 time to reach mass market price before the 360 completely shut the door on them. That's just God's honest truth.coasterguy65

Media conspiracy theory aside. What you are saying is that Sony took a lot of risks on their own. Some of those risks backfired, and almost caused the PS3 to not be a success. I agree.

However that still doesn't change the fact that you cannot sit there and list all of these advantages (Sony's mis-steps) that were supposedly handed to MS and not factor in that the RRoD had a negative effect on the 360s sales numbers.

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] XBox has made serious ground in the US and UK. However, the 360 is not selling as well worldwide and it had a very large amount of advantages this gen. I don't question that XBoxes growth has not been impressive, but can they keep it up? We'll find out soon enough.Nohtnym

And one very big disadvantage. The RRoD, and MS's poor handling of it. This caused many people to see the 360 as an unreliable piece of hardware. Which turned off some people from buying it.

MS handled rrod fine (well first they denied it...). 3 year warranty, and when e74 problem came, they threw that problem to the 3 year warranty too.

Microsoft got big foothold in europe,because ps3 was expensive as hell, something like 650 euro. And when your friends buy 360, you probably buy it too.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

 

Oh sorry, you have me confused with someone who gives a shit which console sold more,no no no, i'm just hear to laugh at people like you and kuraimen who's happiness relies on the PS3 overtaking the 360 in sales.

If one of your kids liked the 360 more than the PS3 would you disown them?

Snugenz

Oh you are posting fiercely on a thread about sales so yeah you do care..

Sure don't, eltoooormo.

Well your post on this thread say other wise,is not my opinion is your post.

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"] XBox has made serious ground in the US and UK. However, the 360 is not selling as well worldwide and it had a very large amount of advantages this gen. I don't question that XBoxes growth has not been impressive, but can they keep it up? We'll find out soon enough.Nohtnym

And one very big disadvantage. The RRoD, and MS's poor handling of it. This caused many people to see the 360 as an unreliable piece of hardware. Which turned off some people from buying it.

MS handled rrod fine (well first they denied it...). 3 year warranty, and when e74 problem came, they threw that problem to the 3 year warranty too.

Microsoft got big foothold in europe,because ps3 was expensive as hell, something like 650 euro. And when your friends buy 360, you probably buy it too.

It really doesn't matter how MS handled it. Most would say they didn't handle it well, but whatever. It's still stupid to think that a major reliability issue had no negative effect on the 360s sales.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I am.. I didn't even begin on how "BluRay was risky" when only three or four studios weren't exclusively on board with it? How, even to this day, Sony's overall financial woes are tied in somehow with its gaming business despite little to no evidence that PS3 was impacted? How every American-based analyst who says Playstation will fail was touted as source-material for game journos. I left out plenty of stuff in my post, actually. No tinfoil hat necessita. There was a very deliberate and conscious effort to crown Microsoft this gen. Even before the whole Ferrari laptop scandal it was well known that MS was going into this generation ready to buy advertising left and right. Guess what pays journalists bills? If you guess advertising, you'd be correct. It's not some kind of crop circle phenomenon so much as a basic common sense thing. Perhaps the gaming journalists weren't even aware of how they were bought off, but the Xbox was supposed to be the new cool shiny toy.. The one thing not factored in was the Wii taking all of the casual gamers by storm early on and buying the Playstation 3 time to reach mass market price before the 360 completely shut the door on them. That's just God's honest truth.coasterguy65

Media conspiracy theory aside. What you are saying is that Sony took a lot of risks on their own. Some of those risks backfired, and almost caused the PS3 to not be a success. I agree.

However that still doesn't change the fact that you cannot sit there and list all of these advantages (Sony's mis-steps) that were supposedly handed to MS and not factor in that the RRoD had a negative effect on the 360s sales numbers.

Look at the sales of the 360 slim,how they spike compare to sales of the old fat 360,even when the price was never drop for the slim models.

Why don't you make a poll to see how many had slim 360 here.? if they actually dare to answer honestly.

RROD was huge,then come the ban waves of millions of units for piracy,where hackers just sold their machines slapped their HDD in a new core unit and off they go.

Microsoft this week booted as many as 1 million players from its Xbox Live gaming service due to the company's belief that they modified their consoles to play games illegally downloaded from file sharing sites.

"All consumers should know that piracy is illegal and that modifying their Xbox 360 console to play pirated discs violates the Xbox Live terms of use, will void their warranty, and result in a ban from Xbox Live," Microsoft said in a statement.

http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/peripherals/1-million-xbox-live-players-banned/221601267

1 million ban just by holidays,you do know that MS banned their unit not their xbox live account right.? so they sold the hack ban unit,and bough a new core and continue on.

The techniques Microsoft uses to separate those who have wrangled early copies of the game from retailers and pirates remain nebulous, but once a console has been banned from Xbox Live, the system is useless to anyone who wishes to play online. That's a problemor an opportunity for the second-hand market, as waves of banned consoles are now up for sale on eBay and craigslist.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2009/11/cheap-to-good-home-used-360-pirated-games-slightly-banned/

Before you say anything or try to disprove my argument,here MS did a ban wave of 1 million people reported on November 11 2009,and on the very next day tons of banned 30 been solf dirt cheap on craiglist and ebay...

Now tell me that piracy hasn't add more re buy units as well.?

1 million bans on the spot,you know how many ban wave MS has do and since when right.? And piracy hasn't stop on 360,so how could this be since once your unit is ban is wortless for online gaming.? Oh yeah they buy new ones and sell their old ones.

I would not be surprice is only 50 million or less still work.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] If current gen marketshare is relevant in anything, explain the Wii U.Murderstyle75

Anyone could've seen the Wii U was going to be a trainwreck. I knew from the moment they announced the name, and even today people still think its a Wii add on. Wii U is failing because Nintendo is being Nintendo.

Marketshare is relevant, but I'm not saying it guarantees success (look at the PS3) Its just a foundation to build upon. A foundation the 360 never had.

The 360 has only went from success to success actually.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Anyone could've seen the Wii U was going to be a trainwreck. I knew from the moment they announced the name, and even today people still think its a Wii add on. Wii U is failing because Nintendo is being Nintendo.

Marketshare is relevant, but I'm not saying it guarantees success (look at the PS3) Its just a foundation to build upon. A foundation the 360 never had.

RR360DD

The 360 has only went from success to success actually.

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I am.. I didn't even begin on how "BluRay was risky" when only three or four studios weren't exclusively on board with it? How, even to this day, Sony's overall financial woes are tied in somehow with its gaming business despite little to no evidence that PS3 was impacted? How every American-based analyst who says Playstation will fail was touted as source-material for game journos. I left out plenty of stuff in my post, actually. No tinfoil hat necessita. There was a very deliberate and conscious effort to crown Microsoft this gen. Even before the whole Ferrari laptop scandal it was well known that MS was going into this generation ready to buy advertising left and right. Guess what pays journalists bills? If you guess advertising, you'd be correct. It's not some kind of crop circle phenomenon so much as a basic common sense thing. Perhaps the gaming journalists weren't even aware of how they were bought off, but the Xbox was supposed to be the new cool shiny toy.. The one thing not factored in was the Wii taking all of the casual gamers by storm early on and buying the Playstation 3 time to reach mass market price before the 360 completely shut the door on them. That's just God's honest truth.tormentos

Media conspiracy theory aside. What you are saying is that Sony took a lot of risks on their own. Some of those risks backfired, and almost caused the PS3 to not be a success. I agree.

However that still doesn't change the fact that you cannot sit there and list all of these advantages (Sony's mis-steps) that were supposedly handed to MS and not factor in that the RRoD had a negative effect on the 360s sales numbers.

Look at the sales of the 360 slim,how they spike compare to sales of the old fat 360,even when the price was never drop for the slim models.

What does this have to do with whether the RRoD had an impact on the 360 sales?

Why don't you make a poll to see how many had slim 360 here.? if they actually dare to answer honestly.

I think we established like 15 pages ago that any random poll on here would not be accurate, because people would pad the numbers.

RROD was huge,then come the ban waves of millions of units for piracy,where hackers just sold their machines slapped their HDD in a new core unit and off they go.

Sure it was, and the ban hammer helped sales also. Just like the YLoD, DRE issues, blu-ray diode failures, free give aways with the purchase of a TV, etc helped the PS3 sales. They are still sales, and you just can't remove them or add them, like you want to do, just because you want to cherry pick issues.

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Anyone could've seen the Wii U was going to be a trainwreck. I knew from the moment they announced the name, and even today people still think its a Wii add on. Wii U is failing because Nintendo is being Nintendo.

Marketshare is relevant, but I'm not saying it guarantees success (look at the PS3) Its just a foundation to build upon. A foundation the 360 never had.

RR360DD

The 360 has only went from success to success actually.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I am.. I didn't even begin on how "BluRay was risky" when only three or four studios weren't exclusively on board with it? How, even to this day, Sony's overall financial woes are tied in somehow with its gaming business despite little to no evidence that PS3 was impacted? How every American-based analyst who says Playstation will fail was touted as source-material for game journos. I left out plenty of stuff in my post, actually. No tinfoil hat necessita. There was a very deliberate and conscious effort to crown Microsoft this gen. Even before the whole Ferrari laptop scandal it was well known that MS was going into this generation ready to buy advertising left and right. Guess what pays journalists bills? If you guess advertising, you'd be correct. It's not some kind of crop circle phenomenon so much as a basic common sense thing. Perhaps the gaming journalists weren't even aware of how they were bought off, but the Xbox was supposed to be the new cool shiny toy.. The one thing not factored in was the Wii taking all of the casual gamers by storm early on and buying the Playstation 3 time to reach mass market price before the 360 completely shut the door on them. That's just God's honest truth.coasterguy65

Media conspiracy theory aside. What you are saying is that Sony took a lot of risks on their own. Some of those risks backfired, and almost caused the PS3 to not be a success. I agree.

However that still doesn't change the fact that you cannot sit there and list all of these advantages (Sony's mis-steps) that were supposedly handed to MS and not factor in that the RRoD had a negative effect on the 360s sales numbers.

Look at the sales of the 360 slim,how they spike compare to sales of the old fat 360,even when the price was never drop for the slim models.

What does this have to do with whether the RRoD had an impact on the 360 sales?

Why don't you make a poll to see how many had slim 360 here.? if they actually dare to answer honestly.

I think we established like 15 pages ago that any random poll on here would not be accurate, because people would pad the numbers.

RROD was huge,then come the ban waves of millions of units for piracy,where hackers just sold their machines slapped their HDD in a new core unit and off they go.

Sure it was, and the ban hammer helped sales also. Just like the YLoD, DRE issues, blu-ray diode failures, free give aways with the purchase of a TV, etc helped the PS3 sales. They are still sales, and you just can't remove them or add them, like you want to do, just because you want to cherry pick issues.

Because, every time the XBox 360 had some minor revision, it was reported as the legendary fix for RROD, even though it wasn't really ironed out until the slim. They had various revisions called, and I'm going by memory here, but I think "Zephyr" was one of them. The RROD's kept coming, but so did subsequent revisions to the console (I think it happened about every six months to a year). So, while I think you are correct that it had some impact (hence, why the 360 will probably never break the 100 million mark), it also didn't halt the sales because (again) every game magazine and major website was playing MSes tune. I think RRoD was "fixed" easily as many times as the PS3 has "outsold" the 360, to be blunt.  To this end, MS seemed to buy time continually this generation while they addressed RRoD.

The 360 actually had several revisions as a result of trying to address RRoD.  The generations (before the slim) are as follows:

Xenon (original) -> Zephyr -> Falcon -> Opus -> Jasper -> Trinity (slim)

As you can see, each time they came out with a revision, they were able to dupe people for as long as they could before it was obvious that RRoD was still an issue and then they came out with another revision.

How bored to people have to be to care about this? I bet playing those sales is fun.

There is proof that SONY used ps2/ps3 combined sales. There is also proof that the ps2 sells alot.

But still cows are desperate saying that PS3 sold more then 360.

Idiots.

There is proof that SONY used ps2/ps3 combined sales. There is also proof that the ps2 sells alot.

But still cows are desperate saying that PS3 sold more then 360.

Idiots.

speedfog

I'll answer the question.

Because, every time the XBox 360 had some minor revision, it was reported as the legendary fix for RROD, even though it wasn't really ironed out until the slim. They had various revisions called, and I'm going by memory here, but I think "Zephyr" was one of them. The RROD's kept coming, but so did subsequent revisions to the console (I think it happened about every six months to a year). So, while I think you are correct that it had some impact (hence, why the 360 will probably never break the 100 million mark), it also didn't halt the sales because (again) every game magazine and major website was playing MSes tune. I think RRoD was "fixed" easily as many times as the PS3 has "outsold" the 360, to be blunt.  To this end, MS seemed to buy time continually this generation while they addressed RRoD.

The 360 actually had several revisions as a result of trying to address RRoD.  The generations (before the slim) are as follows:

Xenon (original) -> Zephyr -> Falcon -> Opus -> Jasper -> Trinity (slim)

As you can see, each time they came out with a revision, they were able to dupe people for as long as they could before it was obvious that RRoD was still an issue and then they came out with another revision.

Shewgenja

Still doesn't prove that the RRoD didn't negatively effect the sales of the Xbox 360. Anyway....I was going to take the time to write out an answer to your post, but honestly I grow bored with this. Eventually you just have to get up and leave when someone's 3 year old is running up and down the aisle in a restaurant screaming nonsense.

It's kind of funny that topics about sales generate more comments than any other kind of topic. You guys should become business men or something if you're so passionate about it.

It's kind of funny that topics about sales generate more comments than any other kind of topic. You guys should become business men or something if you're so passionate about it.

Gue1

[QUOTE="speedfog"]

There is proof that SONY used ps2/ps3 combined sales. There is also proof that the ps2 sells alot.

But still cows are desperate saying that PS3 sold more then 360.

Idiots.

Shewgenja

lolololol

Limbaughs when solid proof shows 360 to have more worldwide sales: Over 50% of those are rrod rebuys.

Limbaughs in the same breath when the subject of lost market share for sony is brought up concerning said solid proof: so many woeful mistakes that werent really Sony's fault. Microsoft was given so many advantages they didnt really earn and rrod didnt hamper sales...etc

I need to find a picture of a goal post being moved.... I know ill find an animated gif of the archery competition scene from disneys robin hood when one of the vulture cronies keeps moving the target.

Rebuys or no rebuys, sales are sales. The amount of PS2s rebought due to disk read error is never questioned. Probably because it is a stupid assertion.

Rebuys or no rebuys, sales are sales. The amount of PS2s rebought due to disk read error is never questioned. Probably because it is a stupid assertion.

ActicEdge

Rebuys or no rebuys, sales are sales. The amount of PS2s rebought due to disk read error is never questioned. Probably because it is a stupid assertion.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Rebuys or no rebuys, sales are sales. The amount of PS2s rebought due to disk read error is never questioned. Probably because it is a stupid assertion.

DerekLoffin

I'm appalled by the amount of people who thought the RRoD was a financial "fiasco" for Microsoft.

RRoD helped Microsoft garner more sales of their machines, giving microsoft an edge over SONY's struggling console. If you ask me, the RRoD was premeditated by Microsoft in order to boost sales and increase their player base. Excellent play, Microsoft. It's too bad SONY lacks the innovative business plans that Microsoft executives have. Must be why the xbox division alone is more profitable than SONY as a whole.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Rebuys or no rebuys, sales are sales. The amount of PS2s rebought due to disk read error is never questioned. Probably because it is a stupid assertion.

DerekLoffin

Who cares? If you deal in facts this is a reality of the situation that you shouldn't make excuses for. The PS2 didn't sell 155 million to 155 million individual households so why would we start factoring that in here like who buying the product means jack shit to the total unit sales? Especially when you can't prove how many were re bought? This is a stupidly flawed perspective, I hope anyone making this argument gets how ridiculous it is.

I'm appalled by the amount of people who thought the RRoD was a financial "fiasco" for Microsoft.

RRoD helped Microsoft garner more sales of their machines, giving microsoft an edge over SONY's struggling console. If you ask me, the RRoD was premeditated by Microsoft in order to boost sales and increase their player base. Excellent play, Microsoft. It's too bad SONY lacks the innovative business plans that Microsoft executives have. Must be why the xbox division alone is more profitable than SONY as a whole.

CallOfDutyRulez

RROD cost MS billions and was a media disaster. It also did not increase player base because REBUYS DON'T INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACTIVE PEOPLE. Damn, are you friggin serious?

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Rebuys or no rebuys, sales are sales. The amount of PS2s rebought due to disk read error is never questioned. Probably because it is a stupid assertion.

ActicEdge

Who cares? If you deal in facts this is a reality of the situation that you shouldn't make excuses for. The PS2 didn't sell 155 million to 155 million individual households so why would we start factoring that in here like who buying the product means jack shit to the total unit sales? Especially when you can't prove how many were re bought? This is a stupidly flawed perspective, I hope anyone making this argument gets how ridiculous it is.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] The reason the PS2 rebuys are not questioned is because it totally blew away the competition. To swing the standings, you need to assume an absurd percentage of rebuys. Same in not true between PS3 and 360 which are neck and neck. Even a small percentage of rebuys more on one side than the other can swing the positions.DerekLoffin

Who cares? If you deal in facts this is a reality of the situation that you shouldn't make excuses for. The PS2 didn't sell 155 million to 155 million individual households so why would we start factoring that in here like who buying the product means jack shit to the total unit sales? Especially when you can't prove how many were re bought? This is a stupidly flawed perspective, I hope anyone making this argument gets how ridiculous it is.

And my point isn't that it would change things in the case of the PS2, it wouldn't. My point is the its a baseless argument because you can't quantify it in numbers without making huge and unjustifiable assumptions. In the world I live in, if you can't provide proof and hard numbers or evidence for a claim, its not something worth entertaining. Can anyone give me a credible link that would insinuate that there were millions of rebuys? In fact, can anyone give me one good reason why a rebuy even matters in the first place? Do people actually believe 100% of your userbase is active 100% of the time? Am I the only person who doesn't get the relevancy of this argument?

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Who cares? If you deal in facts this is a reality of the situation that you shouldn't make excuses for. The PS2 didn't sell 155 million to 155 million individual households so why would we start factoring that in here like who buying the product means jack shit to the total unit sales? Especially when you can't prove how many were re bought? This is a stupidly flawed perspective, I hope anyone making this argument gets how ridiculous it is.

ActicEdge

And my point isn't that it would change things in the case of the PS2, it wouldn't. My point is the its a baseless argument because you can't quantify it in numbers without making huge and unjustifiable assumptions. In the world I live in, if you can't provide proof and hard numbers or evidence for a claim, its not something worth entertaining. Can anyone give me a credible link that would insinuate that there were millions of rebuys? In fact, can anyone give me one good reason why a rebuy even matters in the first place? Do people actually believe 100% of your userbase is active 100% of the time? Am I the only person who doesn't get the relevancy of this argument?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Again, it WOULDN'T MATTER! That's the reason no one bothers bringing it up, not that the sales number does not equate the number of consumers. It's like quibbling over a thimble full of water when the difference is the size of a bucket. It won't change the relative positions of the consoles. The probably was lots of rebuys, but it won't change that PS2 won the gen by a mile. This gen though the 2nd place is a by a nose kind of thing, and in that kind of argument, everything that can swing the numbers will be brought up.DerekLoffin

And my point isn't that it would change things in the case of the PS2, it wouldn't. My point is the its a baseless argument because you can't quantify it in numbers without making huge and unjustifiable assumptions. In the world I live in, if you can't provide proof and hard numbers or evidence for a claim, its not something worth entertaining. Can anyone give me a credible link that would insinuate that there were millions of rebuys? In fact, can anyone give me one good reason why a rebuy even matters in the first place? Do people actually believe 100% of your userbase is active 100% of the time? Am I the only person who doesn't get the relevancy of this argument?

If you really do care about that 1% sway, then would'nt software attach rates be a much more accurate measure of the active userbase. Better than something with so many variables and what ifs thats its not worth even argueing.

ok so did sony overtake ms or what?

Like the other 15 times in the last 7 years a Cow starts Mooing they are in second place without any proof and the rest just joins in like drones .

Moohhh

ok so did sony overtake ms or what?

Mario1331

and by reasonable, I don't mean "Cow Logic" but logic logic.

those of you who dont want to read 45 pages, summary for you: PS3/2 sales combined Cows claim ownage based on assumptions other posters apply some logic and prove Bovine assumptions false Bovine denial coupled with accusations of Butthurt Most posters argue the difference at this point is meaningless Cows claim ownage again, Other users go through the data conclude the difference in sales is marginal at best, Cows claim ownage.sonny2dap

Now with that, lock should be incoming any minute :P

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"]those of you who dont want to read 45 pages, summary for you: PS3/2 sales combined Cows claim ownage based on assumptions other posters apply some logic and prove Bovine assumptions false Bovine denial coupled with accusations of Butthurt Most posters argue the difference at this point is meaningless Cows claim ownage again, Other users go through the data conclude the difference in sales is marginal at best, Cows claim ownage.SecretPolice

Now with that, lock should be incoming any minute :P

Whats interesting is that Cows have told me the PS3 had ALREADY outsold the 360, about 15 times in the last 6 months or so.  Im confused Cows....did PS3 just now outsell the 360?  Or did it actually outsell it the last 15 times this exact thread was created, under the same circumstances :?  Have Cows been lying to me for 6 months?

This is confusing Cows :cry:

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"]those of you who dont want to read 45 pages, summary for you: PS3/2 sales combined Cows claim ownage based on assumptions other posters apply some logic and prove Bovine assumptions false Bovine denial coupled with accusations of Butthurt Most posters argue the difference at this point is meaningless Cows claim ownage again, Other users go through the data conclude the difference in sales is marginal at best, Cows claim ownage.SecretPolice

Now with that, lock should be incoming any minute :P

Thread should have been locked after the first page, but wutevs

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

ok so did sony overtake ms or what?

Shewgenja

and by reasonable, I don't mean "Cow Logic" but logic logic.

The only logic that can possibly come out of you is cow logic, because well your a big ole' cow. So it most certainly is "cow logic".

You feel me brah?

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

ok so did sony overtake ms or what?

Snugenz

and by reasonable, I don't mean "Cow Logic" but logic logic.

The only logic that can possibly come out of you is cow logic, because well your a big ole' cow. So it most certainly is "cow logic".

You feel me brah?

ok so did sony overtake ms or what?

Mario1331

Until Sony issues a press release saying "We overtook the 360", then no.

People in this forum seem to think they know as much, if not more, than industry heads....

 

 

Look at the sales of the 360 slim,how they spike compare to sales of the old fat 360,even when the price was never drop for the slim models.

What does this have to do with whether the RRoD had an impact on the 360 sales?

Why don't you make a poll to see how many had slim 360 here.? if they actually dare to answer honestly.

I think we established like 15 pages ago that any random poll on here would not be accurate, because people would pad the numbers.

RROD was huge,then come the ban waves of millions of units for piracy,where hackers just sold their machines slapped their HDD in a new core unit and off they go.

Sure it was, and the ban hammer helped sales also. Just like the YLoD, DRE issues, blu-ray diode failures, free give aways with the purchase of a TV, etc helped the PS3 sales. They are still sales, and you just can't remove them or add them, like you want to do, just because you want to cherry pick issues.

 

 

.coasterguy65

That many people changed their fat 360 for a slim one

Oh you can ask make a thread and ask lemming their vote would be count at the spot rather than having cows or hermits tapping the poll,we know here who is who.

Funny that you say that.

The xbox 360 suffer from DRE.

The xbox 360 was given away with laptops did you forgot that wait what about Mountain Do sinse 2005 give away.?

There wasn't a blu-ray diode problem with the PS3,it was a Diode shortage before launch.

YLOD is not even close to RROD,in fact YLOD by your own link claim to be less than 10%,while on 360 without RROD counted the 360 had 11% fail rate that was without RROD.

The xbox 360 had more problems,and many things that re sold millions of 360,those live accounts are the biggest testament.