The Truth About Hepler and Bioware.

Just remember folks, these malicious attacks originated from Reddit.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Hence "in general." I didn't say you specifically, now did I? And considering the reaction, I think my point stands. I bashed DA2 on the BioWare forums, too, but I directed my complaints at the game. But that place is genuinely frightening, so I left. Refusing to buy their games is just so much easier.DarkLink77

How do you find it frightening? The BSN forums and the fervor of BioWare fans compared with other fandoms does make me cringe a little, though. Some of these people make BioWare their life and spend too much time there.

Its even worse than the D3 forums. Majority of the community is awesome, but then we have the whiners with the "when id it coming out?" thread poping out every 3 seconds and the die-hards who will defend Blizzard to the grave if you dare make a criticism.dracolich55

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Whenever I hear "Gamer Entitlement" I get annoyed. We're the people PAYING for the game. heretrix

Just remember folks, these malicious attacks originated from Reddit.

Socijalisticka

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Actually you have the right to be a dickhead about everything they do you don't like regardless of purchase or not. Consumers always have the right to complain about negative aspects of purchases. Ace6301

Yes, nothing quite spells "complaining about the negative aspects of purchases" like calling someone an "obese c*nt" on Twitter.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Actually you have the right to be a dickhead about everything they do you don't like regardless of purchase or not. Consumers always have the right to complain about negative aspects of purchases. Slow_Show

Yes, nothing quite spells "complaining about the negative aspects of purchases" like calling someone an "obese c*nt" on Twitter.

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Actually you have the right to be a dickhead about everything they do you don't like regardless of purchase or not. Consumers always have the right to complain about negative aspects of purchases. Ace6301

Yes, nothing quite spells "complaining about the negative aspects of purchases" like calling someone an "obese c*nt" on Twitter.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Actually you have the right to be a dickhead about everything they do you don't like regardless of purchase or not. Consumers always have the right to complain about negative aspects of purchases. Ace6301

Yes, nothing quite spells "complaining about the negative aspects of purchases" like calling someone an "obese c*nt" on Twitter.

I'm glad to see that Bioware is continuing to have excellent moderation policies

TankBusterJenn

What a load of tripe. The poster is full of it.

The sense of entitlement in a growing part of the gamer community is reaching a point that's bordering on insanity. A BioWare dev posts her option on what she'd like to see happen in games. Most people may disagree with her, but that absolutely NO justification for attacking her on a personal level. The poster of this post then tries to re-paint the whole disgusting mess as it simply being BioWares fault since some of the BioWare devs apparently have the audacity of having a different option of what makes a good game.

It's really very very simple. If you don't like BioWare, or their games or the inclusion of those in game romances, or the stories or the ideas or EA's policies or bugs or ... whatever? Don't buy the bloody games. It doesn't matter how many BioWare games you might have bought in the past, BioWare doesn't owe you anything, just like you don't owe BioWare anything. There are NO justification for spewing personal attacking for her ideas on game development. And spewing that kinds of attacks from behind a veil of anonymity is not only disgusting but cowardly as well.

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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Whenever I hear "Gamer Entitlement" I get annoyed. We're the people PAYING for the game. Ace6301

Again they don't owe you sh*t beyond the product working, there is no guarentee that you will like it. If you don't like it spend your cash elsewhere.

AND you ain't a consumer unless you are buying something genius.

Nice non-sequitor that has nothing to do with what you quoted. Ace6301

Actually you have the right to be a dickhead about everything they do you don't like regardless of purchase or not.

Would suggest you support (if not condone) being an assh*le in response how people are "ruining" your favourite video game, and it's posted in a thread that's rooted in how Hepler was harassed (including being called an "obese c*nt" on Twitter) for precisely that reason.

I don't think non-sequitor means what you think it means.

[QUOTE="Socijalisticka"]

Just remember folks, these malicious attacks originated from Reddit.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

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****ing lol, which one of you guys did this?

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Read what I quoted. I don't give a crap about this woman. What the person I quoted was saying was wrong on a factual level. Ace6301

But if you support the consumer's right to be an assh*le for whatever reason they choose, you necessarily support the harassment of Hepler (since it was just consumers being assh*les in response to BioWare doing something they didn't like). You can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Read what I quoted. I don't give a crap about this woman. What the person I quoted was saying was wrong on a factual level. Slow_Show

But if you support the consumer's right to be an assh*le for whatever reason they choose, you necessarily support the harassment of Hepler (since it was just consumers being assh*les in response to BioWare doing something they didn't like). You can't have it both ways.

i understand the thing about her attacks but using it as an excuse to say we can do what we like and customers don't have the right to complain is wrong at so many levels.

This thread is pure gold imo.

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]You know I wouldn't be suprised if that was TexasGoldrush's twitter account in the first comment.Jynxzor

Whenever I hear "Gamer Entitlement" I get annoyed. We're the people PAYING for the game. SAGE_OF_FIRE

The writer of the GS article is a woman. Don't be surprised.

um and having a forced fight is gameplay? you mean making decisions and seeing the outcomes like you can in stories in video games isn't gameplay? its absolutely logical sense...too bad your too stupid to figure that out.WilliamRLBaker

LMAO.

Okay, sorry for taking you seriously, won't happen next time :lol:

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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]She was the one that said that everyone is just jealous of her because she has a vagina and a job in the gaming industry. dracolich55

What the hell?

So Chris metzen gets bashed all the time for runing Warcraft and Starcraft, yet no one cares and Chris takes it on the chin like a boss and accepts when he messes up

but as soon as a female writer gets bashed for ruining a game, its a big deal simply because she is female?

thats all i see here, if she didnt have a vagina that we were all "jealous" of, no one would care

She was the one that said that everyone is just jealous of her because she has a vagina and a job in the gaming industry. SAGE_OF_FIRE

She...actually said that?

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]She was the one that said that everyone is just jealous of her because she has a vagina and a job in the gaming industry. el3m2tigre

She...actually said that?

It was linked earlier in this thread.

So Chris metzen gets bashed all the time for runing Warcraft and Starcraft, yet no one cares and Chris takes it on the chin like a boss and accepts when he messes up

but as soon as a female writer gets bashed for ruining a game, its a big deal simply because she is female?

thats all i see here, if she didnt have a vagina that we were all "jealous" of, no one would care

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]She was the one that said that everyone is just jealous of her because she has a vagina and a job in the gaming industry. ChubbyGuy40

She...actually said that?

It was linked earlier in this thread.

Wow, no one should feel sorry for her if that's the way she responds. :|

Seriously, Hepler should fight back..... Biohaters are some of the dumbest internet posters ever....and the verbal assaults on her prove it. She's got a job working for one of the most acclaimed development studios, and the haters are the ones just siting on their ass. I bet the haters can't even write a game, let alone criticize it effectively. Hell, they and the DAO diehards are so stupid, they don't even realize that the writing team was the same in both games or that David Gaider, the lead writer of DAO and DAII, was responisble for one of the most cherished Bioware characters. And really, blaming the writers for DAII's mediocre showing is idiotic. Lets see how well you do when you are not allowed to finish your story because of an unrealitic deadline. its the same story as with Ultima iX, or KOTOR II. But oh wait, KOTOR II gets a pass because they are not from Bioware...loltexasgoldrush

Biohaters?

You mean Biodrones? Because nobody cared about what she said except for BioWare fans. lol.

Seriously, Hepler should fight back.....

Biohaters are some of the dumbest internet posters ever....and the verbal assaults on her prove it.

She's got a job working for one of the most acclaimed development studios, and the haters are the ones just siting on their ass. I bet the haters can't even write a game, let alone criticize it effectively.

Hell, they and the DAO diehards are so stupid, they don't even realize that the writing team was the same in both games or that David Gaider, the lead writer of DAO and DAII, was responisble for one of the most cherished Bioware characters.

And really, blaming the writers for DAII's mediocre showing is idiotic. Lets see how well you do when you are not allowed to finish your story because of an unrealitic deadline. its the same story as with Ultima iX, or KOTOR II. But oh wait, KOTOR II gets a pass because they are not from Bioware...loltexasgoldrush

Biodrones. Proving their own stupidity so we don't have to.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously, Hepler should fight back..... Biohaters are some of the dumbest internet posters ever....and the verbal assaults on her prove it. She's got a job working for one of the most acclaimed development studios, and the haters are the ones just siting on their ass. I bet the haters can't even write a game, let alone criticize it effectively. Hell, they and the DAO diehards are so stupid, they don't even realize that the writing team was the same in both games or that David Gaider, the lead writer of DAO and DAII, was responisble for one of the most cherished Bioware characters. And really, blaming the writers for DAII's mediocre showing is idiotic. Lets see how well you do when you are not allowed to finish your story because of an unrealitic deadline. its the same story as with Ultima iX, or KOTOR II. But oh wait, KOTOR II gets a pass because they are not from Bioware...lolN30F3N1X

Biohaters?

You mean Biodrones? Because nobody cared about what she said except for BioWare fans. lol.

Wow, no one should feel sorry for her if that's the way she responds. :|

el3m2tigre

In her defense, she did receive a lot of insults. Then again, she produced a bunch of crap.

IDK, Dragon Age 2 was a horrible game and i stopped playing TOR after hitting level 50 almost immediately. The quality of their product has really gone down the drain as of late.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously, Hepler should fight back.....Biohaters are some of the dumbest internet posters ever....and the verbal assaults on her prove it. She's got a job working for one of the most acclaimed development studios, and the haters are the ones just siting on their ass. I bet the haters can't even write a game, let alone criticize it effectively. Hell, they and the DAO diehards are so stupid, they don't even realize that the writing team was the same in both games or that David Gaider, the lead writer of DAO and DAII, was responisble for one of the most cherished Bioware characters. And really, blaming the writers for DAII's mediocre showing is idiotic. Lets see how well you do when you are not allowed to finish your story because of an unrealitic deadline. its the same story as with Ultima iX, or KOTOR II. But oh wait, KOTOR II gets a pass because they are not from Bioware...lolChubbyGuy40

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Wow, no one should feel sorry for her if that's the way she responds. :|

ChubbyGuy40

In her defense, she did receive a lot of insults. Then again, she produced a bunch of crap.

so, its ok for people to trash Hepler the manner they are doing? Wow You are even dumber.texasgoldrush

:lol: Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] so, its ok for people to trash Hepler the manner they are doing? Wow You are even dumber.N30F3N1X

:lol: Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

and what crap, she was trashed first. As for professionally, she wrote the entire Dwarven storylines for DAO...wrote Hawke's family and Anders for DAII. They weren't crap.texasgoldrush

Orzammar and the Deep Roads were the worst parts of DAO...

so, its ok for people to trash Hepler the manner they are doing? Wow You are even dumber.texasgoldrush

Yeah why not? It's the internet. They're saying it because they can under anomity. Her fault for letting it get to her.

and what crap, she was trashed first. As for professionally, she wrote the entire Dwarven storylines for DAO...wrote Hawke's family and Anders for DAII. They weren't crap.texasgoldrush

Professionally, she's way out of line responding like that. Want to know what Blizzard does when people trash it? Answer it calm and nicely, and try to reason with them. Why? Because there's nothing you can do about it.

So Chris metzen gets bashed all the time for runing Warcraft and Starcraft, yet no one cares and Chris takes it on the chin like a boss and accepts when he messes up

but as soon as a female writer gets bashed for ruining a game, its a big deal simply because she is female?

thats all i see here, if she didnt have a vagina that we were all "jealous" of, no one would care

HaloinventedFPS

If people were criticizing a BioWare game in a reasonably level headed way there wouldn't be a problem.If a bunch of people made a flood of personal attacks against Chris Metzen it would be equally disgusting.

Or in simpler terms

- I don't like the work you did on DA2, I thought the story was poorly paced and the game felt unoriginal and disappointing - Acceptable.

- You're a #@$#@ who should die. You Jew @#$ should be fired, I hate you! - Not acceptable.

[QUOTE="dracolich55"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] ...And people actually white-knight this individual?

What the hell?

texasgoldrush

wat

dragon age 2--79

TORtanic--85

BIODRONES FAIL MISERABLY

and notice I am not using racist or homophobic remarks............why don't you actually read what has been happening....texasgoldrush

I have.

He just made a remark to make you notice an inconsistency that puts you in the same group you were trying to criticize and you came up with a reply that was completely unrelated to what he said.

Why don't YOU actually read what you're quoting :D ?

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and what crap, she was trashed first. As for professionally, she wrote the entire Dwarven storylines for DAO...wrote Hawke's family and Anders for DAII. They weren't crap.N30F3N1X

Orzammar and the Deep Roads were the worst parts of DAO...

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="dracolich55"] Oh...My... How far has Bioware fallen. At least they atill make good games. *looks at DA2* O Well TexasGoldRush, ME3 will REALLY be better than Deus Ex: Human Revolution, huh? I think good attitude from the developers is in need here before they even attempt to make good games again.princeofshapeir

wat

dragon age 2--79

TORtanic--85

BIODRONES FAIL MISERABLY

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] and what crap, she was trashed first. As for professionally, she wrote the entire Dwarven storylines for DAO...wrote Hawke's family and Anders for DAII. They weren't crap.N30F3N1X

Orzammar and the Deep Roads were the worst parts of DAO...

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[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

She...actually said that?

el3m2tigre

It was linked earlier in this thread.

Wow, no one should feel sorry for her if that's the way she responds. :|