The Truth About Hepler and Bioware.

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#251 Jabby250
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[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

They were douchebags... even Gamespot is fully aware of the backtalk from her and that guy Aaryn Flynn, yet their article still takes her side.

Might not have been professional. Might not have been something you'd just do, but at the same time hard to intervene and cast blame on the 'victim' for defending herself.

N30F3N1X

Their article is written by somebody who is clueless.

Shut up... even Troll Sterling said that this backlash only reinforces the image of basement-dwelling nerds...

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#252 N30F3N1X
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Shut up... even Troll Sterling said that this backlash only reinforces the image of basement-dwelling nerds...

Jabby250

What has that to do with what I said :|

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#253 Heil68
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so much entertainment to be had on the internet, it's a crime I get paid to enjoy it all.
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#254 N30F3N1X
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http://www.themarysue.com/inclusion-what-jennifer-heplers-story-is-all-about/

For people wanting to know how this all started

lawlessx

That article is biased as **** aswell.

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#255 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

perhaps some background clarification is needed here.

Shinobishyguy

basically raising any sort've criticism against bioware in their forums leads to "END OF THE LINE BANHAMMER"

Who gives a crap? It's the internet?
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#256 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

perhaps some background clarification is needed here.

Stevo_the_gamer

basically raising any sort've criticism against bioware in their forums leads to "END OF THE LINE BANHAMMER"

Who gives a crap? It's the internet?

If it also terminates your licenses it kind of matters. Don't know if that's still a thing EA's doing.

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#258 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]She was the one that said that everyone is just jealous of her because she has a vagina and a job in the gaming industry. Shinobishyguy

...And people actually white-knight this individual?

What the hell?


That's the unfortunate response she gave when internet people began harassing her en masse after they discovered a statement she gave six years ago in which she suggests the idea that players more interested in the story should be given the option to skip gameplay, just like the vice versa is often possible.

And then people get upset that what they consider legitimate criticism is ignored by Bioware. Apparently they won't be happy until they get her fired, as the post quoted here suggests. The person who wrote that is seemingly delusional by the way.

Granted I haven't delved into this, but I'm yet to see anyone present any actual critique against the writing she has done for Bioware. It's hard to do because how would you even know what she has contributed? Dragon Age II had a team of six writers, Origins eight, with David Gaider being the lead.

Perhaps there is constructive feedback in there somewhere, but when you cover it up in a ton of fecal matter by attaching it to this troll s***storm you shouldn't be surprised when the response is not completely affectionate upon delivery. This whole undignified "how dare you!?" reaction some have to Bioware representatives (unprofessionally but understandably) being unable to bite back on their frustration is therefore somewhat misguided.

If you want to criticize her work in an effort to help her/Bioware improve, then do that. That is so absolutely not what this has been about. This whole f***ing mess doesn't help anyone.

I can't believe I even defended her for getting harrassed. I thought the gaming community was at fault for this debacle but it looks like she has a hand in it too. That said, I never cared much for Bioware games.The only story I enjoyed was KotOR. Too bad gameplay killed the game for me :(fend_oblivion
I don't fully understand this line of thinking. While I agree that she should've known better than to respond, especially with that, being human and having an emotional outburst over a stressful situation is not some sort of unjustifiable offense that somehow makes her at fault for getting harassed in the first place. In no way does she deserve any of the vileness that has been hurled at her.

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#259 fend_oblivion
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I don't fully understand this line of thinking. While I agree that she should've known better than to respond, especially with that, being human and having an emotional outburst over a stressful situation is not some sort of unjustifiable offense that somehow makes her at fault for getting harassed in the first place. In no way does she deserve any of the vileness that has been hurled at her.McStrongfast
Sorry about that. I saw your post right after I deleted mine. I forgot to keep in mind that she was under severe harrassment and was probably forced to spew hate back at the ones spewing hate at her. She didn't deserve such filth thrown at her but sadly, the fault lies with both the gaming community and her. Her comment just added more fuel to an already raging fire. But why in the world would someone pick up stuff said years before? Seems like typical "the site that must not be named" junk culture.
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#260 I_am_a_PS3_FB
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IT IS NOT JUSTIFIABLE IN ANY ANY WAY, IF YOU DO NOT FU*KING LIKE THE GAME DO NOT FU*KING BUY IT.

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#261 PurpleMan5000
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WTF is wrong with people? This is pathetic.
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#262 I_am_a_PS3_FB
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WTF is wrong with people? This is pathetic.PurpleMan5000

exactly, as I understand it, she made a comment about the inclusion of a skip feature for gameplay, lol if you arent going to use the skip feature dont use it, dont abuse a person, another human being because your stupid fu*king badass gamer sense is tingling.

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#263 lawlessx
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"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|
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#264 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|

Bad x1000.
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#265 I_am_a_PS3_FB
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"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|lawlessx

what hope is there if we are capable of this? :|

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#266 MlauTheDaft
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Not saying that the "Hepler situation" did'nt get out of hand but it's not a matter of entitled gamers; she ended up hearing the voice of the "wider audience", everyone seems to want to attract.

Besides, she does deserve criticism.

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#267 drinkerofjuice
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The gaming community doesn't shock me anymore in just how low they can resort to.drinkerofjuice

"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|lawlessx
I retract my previous statement.

I'd be ashamed to call myself a gamer right now.

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#268 Miroku32
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|

Confirmed, Bioware has one of the worst fandoms ever.
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#269 I_am_a_PS3_FB
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|Miroku32
Confirmed, Bioware has one of the worst fandoms ever.

why? just why ? all this for a video game?

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#270 KevinButlerVP
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a

SAGE_OF_FIRE

is this the chick responsible for all the cliche BS lines in ME3?

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[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|I_am_a_PS3_FB

Confirmed, Bioware has one of the worst fandoms ever.

why? just why ? all this for a video game?

Well, considering how crazy they have went because of Hapler yeah, most of their fanbase are full of haters.
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#272 I_am_a_PS3_FB
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[QUOTE="I_am_a_PS3_FB"]

[QUOTE="Miroku32"] Confirmed, Bioware has one of the worst fandoms ever. Miroku32

why? just why ? all this for a video game?

Well, considering how crazy they have went because of Hapler yeah, most of their fanbase are full of haters.

I just watched the ME3 trailer yesterday and I liked it, I had no idea that this was what is going on.. I feel ashamed for even PLAYING games now.. :/

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#273 harshv82
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|

That's terrible. Is that guy so upset over a video game :|
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#274 Am_Confucius
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Who is Hepler?

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#275 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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but it's not a matter of entitled gamersMlauTheDaft
Um, what the hell do you call it then?
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#276 I_am_a_PS3_FB
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|harshv82
That's terrible. Is that guy so upset over a video game :|

lol humans get upset, that thing is not even alive.

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#277 svenus97
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

KevinButlerVP

is this the chick responsible for all the cliche BS lines in ME3?

She isn't a part of the ME team, she wrote the dwarf part of DA:O and Anders and Hawke's family.

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#278 rogerjak
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Oh this is just so good. It's like watching little toddlers fighting over a toy.

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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]"If anything happens to your kids, their blood will be on your hands." This is one of the twitter comments :|

*headdesk 10X* My god... *facepalm*
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#280 percech
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The fans just wanna get Bioware's attention on how they feel about her and the decisions they've been making recently. The only way to do this is to make death threats...everyone knows that. Jeez you people are stupid.
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#281 lowkey254
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Wait, so the post that was posted was removed? That was as tame as can be. Personally, I think bioware should go back to a time before they hired hepler, a time when people adored their work, not abhor it.

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#282 Ringx55
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So what's wrong about a writer wanting to focus upon just WRITING for a vdeogame?
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#283 edidili
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So what's wrong about a writer wanting to focus upon just WRITING for a vdeogame?Ringx55

That's what I'm wondering too. Everyone wants her head but then again do you have to be a gamer to write the story of a game? A concept artist or a music composer can do his job just fine without having to play games.

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#284 Jankarcop
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lol everyone crying will still get me3, it will be AAA and own.

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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

remember, this is the same biodrone that called people dumb for not liking dragon age 2 story saying it was "oh so complicated" for our low iq minds to understand xD

musalala

Because fans don't get it...thats the thing, they wanted a kill the orc cliche hero story just like DAO instead of a tale about culpabilty of a crisis. And how many times do I have to tell you morons that I am not a fan of DAO or Neverwinter Nights, both Bioware games, and also called the gameplay of ME1 and JE broken. Are you that stupid? Oh wait, I am a biodrone.....you are quite a laugh. And that post was fake...way to respond...lol. She isn't on the Mass Effect team.

And obviously the all powerfully texasgoldrush gets it because he so much better than us lowly peasents, how dare we point out the glaring faults of this game whose short comings are so blatant a blindman could see them, how dare we critisise bioware for using an established name in order to sell a mediocre product the nerve of some people :lol:.

Yes it had interesting ideas yes the the story was ok and differnt from the usually save the world ( The withcer 1 and 2 do a far better job of telling a story that doesn"t follow the whole save the world) but that doesn"t erase ALL the really bad elements not by a mile. Again my main beef with bioware is they KNEW the game was unfinished and rushed they KNEW it would be badly received but they still released it anyway, All the while lying to the faces of their fans "no no don"t worry we are not mass effecting the game" no no the combat is not dumbed down..if you loved origins you will absolutly love this game". This to me is what is really sad and why DA2 receives so much hate.

What I find even funnier is how you berate FFXIII that made similar changes to its entire fomular and yet defend DA2 for doing the same thing

And is Hepler, Gaider, Kirby, and the rest of the writing team responsible for the rushing of DAII? Think. In fact several reviews thought that the writing was the games STRENGTH, including Gamespy, who only gave it an 80. Same with Gamesradar. In fact, think about, DA2 an d DAO: Awakenings can make Bioware a better company, as they learn not to rush games. And really, notice how ME3 got pushed back 5 months. And wrong, while I criticize FFXIII for its changing of some of its formula, what stayed the same is worse, the same old cliched storytelling. Notice I trash XIII and XIII-2's narrative more than its gameplay.
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#286 eboyishere
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i heard bioware pretty much acts like a b!tch to anyone that disagrees with them.
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]

svenus97

is this the chick responsible for all the cliche BS lines in ME3?

She isn't a part of the ME team, she wrote the dwarf part of DA:O and Anders and Hawke's family.

Hepler wrote Ander's storyline, the family except Carver but most of the family scenes, most of the Legacy DLC which the fanbase liked, she wrote Sebastian as well. Really the writer with the weakest material for DAII was Gaider himself with Meredith and Orsino, however, he actually wanted the player to fight only one, not both, the gameplay team wanted the player to fight both. Bioware should really think about having Lukas Kristjanson be a head writer.
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#288 texasgoldrush
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i heard bioware pretty much acts like a b!tch to anyone that disagrees with them.eboyishere
and yet they take what went right and what went wrong intoo consideration....see Mass Effect series.
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]i heard bioware pretty much acts like a b!tch to anyone that disagrees with them.texasgoldrush
and yet they take what went right and what went wrong intoo consideration....see Mass Effect series.

im talking about their forums. I heard it's nothing but d!ck ridders and if your not one then your basically an outcast. Like no balance there.

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#290 soulitane
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Is it bad I have no clue what the hell this is about? :P
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[QUOTE="Ringx55"]So what's wrong about a writer wanting to focus upon just WRITING for a vdeogame?edidili

That's what I'm wondering too. Everyone wants her head but then again do you have to be a gamer to write the story of a game? A concept artist or a music composer can do his job just fine without having to play games.

Then please shut the hell up and stop posting your desire to have buttons that skip gameplay and cut straight to the plot. You're writing a story for a video game, and a video game is meant to be played, not read or watched.
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#292 DigitalExile
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[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]So what's wrong about a writer wanting to focus upon just WRITING for a vdeogame?princeofshapeir

That's what I'm wondering too. Everyone wants her head but then again do you have to be a gamer to write the story of a game? A concept artist or a music composer can do his job just fine without having to play games.

Then please shut the hell up and stop posting your desire to have buttons that skip gameplay and cut straight to the plot. You're writing a story for a video game, and a video game is meant to be played, not read or watched.

She was asked a question about a feature she would like to see games have... she is a writer, and as a writer likes the STORY aspects of games, but not necessarily the gameplay. She didn't say no game ever again should have gameplay, she said if there was one thing she'd like to see it'd be the OPTION to skip sections of gameplay - which as a writer is a completely acceptable thing to say. A musician might say they'd like more focus on music, or for video game music to be taken more seriously and respected in the same way movie scores are that doesn't mean they want a game to be just music and nothing else.

Even as a gamer that's a legit concern. How many games have those sh*t tutrials you want to skip? Or boring missions, or entire sequences of the game that are boring and sh*t and you just want to skip it to find out what happens next? I hated Mass Effect - loved the conversations, but hated the gameplay - I would like to be able to sit down and just talk the whole game. Other games I have played through JUST to watch cutscenes I liked, or played through because I enjoyed the story. Perhaps a better way for her to rephrase her answer is that gameplay in general should have more narrative to it instead of being boring as bat sh*t, stuff where actual plot is developed instead of cutscene - mindless killing - cutscene.

There is more to a game than just gameplay - graphics, artstyle, writing, music all contribute to the experience. The best games have had a balance of these things. Same thing goes for movies that might be "cool" to watch but ae devoid of story (Tranformers). Look at Saving Private Ryan which has great visuals, music, acting and story - now look at Avatar, amazing visuals... does it have music? terrible plot and mediocre acting (probably due to the plot).

Writing for me is one of the most important aspects of a video game.

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#293 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="eboyishere"]i heard bioware pretty much acts like a b!tch to anyone that disagrees with them.eboyishere

and yet they take what went right and what went wrong intoo consideration....see Mass Effect series.

im talking about their forums. I heard it's nothing but d!ck ridders and if your not one then your basically an outcast. Like no balance there.

no BSN is a bunch of whiners who freak out over every little thing...there are some annoying superfans...ex. Talimancers, but there are also a bunch of whners who whine over the smallest thing.
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#294 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]So what's wrong about a writer wanting to focus upon just WRITING for a vdeogame?princeofshapeir

That's what I'm wondering too. Everyone wants her head but then again do you have to be a gamer to write the story of a game? A concept artist or a music composer can do his job just fine without having to play games.

Then please shut the hell up and stop posting your desire to have buttons that skip gameplay and cut straight to the plot. You're writing a story for a video game, and a video game is meant to be played, not read or watched.

Kings Quest and Grim Fandango say hi.
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#295 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="edidili"]

That's what I'm wondering too. Everyone wants her head but then again do you have to be a gamer to write the story of a game? A concept artist or a music composer can do his job just fine without having to play games.

DigitalExile

Then please shut the hell up and stop posting your desire to have buttons that skip gameplay and cut straight to the plot. You're writing a story for a video game, and a video game is meant to be played, not read or watched.

She was asked a question about a feature she would like to see games have... she is a writer, and as a writer likes the STORY aspects of games, but not necessarily the gameplay. She didn't say no game ever again should have gameplay, she said if there was one thing she'd like to see it'd be the OPTION to skip sections of gameplay - which as a writer is a completely acceptable thing to say. A musician might say they'd like more focus on music, or for video game music to be taken more seriously and respected in the same way movie scores are that doesn't mean they want a game to be just music and nothing else.

Even as a gamer that's a legit concern. How many games have those sh*t tutrials you want to skip? Or boring missions, or entire sequences of the game that are boring and sh*t and you just want to skip it to find out what happens next? I hated Mass Effect - loved the conversations, but hated the gameplay - I would like to be able to sit down and just talk the whole game. Other games I have played through JUST to watch cutscenes I liked, or played through because I enjoyed the story. Perhaps a better way for her to rephrase her answer is that gameplay in general should have more narrative to it instead of being boring as bat sh*t, stuff where actual plot is developed instead of cutscene - mindless killing - cutscene.

There is more to a game than just gameplay - graphics, artstyle, writing, music all contribute to the experience. The best games have had a balance of these things. Same thing goes for movies that might be "cool" to watch but ae devoid of story (Tranformers). Look at Saving Private Ryan which has great visuals, music, acting and story - now look at Avatar, amazing visuals... does it have music? terrible plot and mediocre acting (probably due to the plot).

Writing for me is one of the most important aspects of a video game.

holy sh!t you're literally retarded i have nothing else to say
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#296 texasgoldrush
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[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Then please shut the hell up and stop posting your desire to have buttons that skip gameplay and cut straight to the plot. You're writing a story for a video game, and a video game is meant to be played, not read or watched.princeofshapeir

She was asked a question about a feature she would like to see games have... she is a writer, and as a writer likes the STORY aspects of games, but not necessarily the gameplay. She didn't say no game ever again should have gameplay, she said if there was one thing she'd like to see it'd be the OPTION to skip sections of gameplay - which as a writer is a completely acceptable thing to say. A musician might say they'd like more focus on music, or for video game music to be taken more seriously and respected in the same way movie scores are that doesn't mean they want a game to be just music and nothing else.

Even as a gamer that's a legit concern. How many games have those sh*t tutrials you want to skip? Or boring missions, or entire sequences of the game that are boring and sh*t and you just want to skip it to find out what happens next? I hated Mass Effect - loved the conversations, but hated the gameplay - I would like to be able to sit down and just talk the whole game. Other games I have played through JUST to watch cutscenes I liked, or played through because I enjoyed the story. Perhaps a better way for her to rephrase her answer is that gameplay in general should have more narrative to it instead of being boring as bat sh*t, stuff where actual plot is developed instead of cutscene - mindless killing - cutscene.

There is more to a game than just gameplay - graphics, artstyle, writing, music all contribute to the experience. The best games have had a balance of these things. Same thing goes for movies that might be "cool" to watch but ae devoid of story (Tranformers). Look at Saving Private Ryan which has great visuals, music, acting and story - now look at Avatar, amazing visuals... does it have music? terrible plot and mediocre acting (probably due to the plot).

Writing for me is one of the most important aspects of a video game.

holy sh!t you're literally retarded i have nothing else to say

 Almost all story, also considered to be one of the greatest games ever made... which backs his point, not yours.
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#297 skrat_01
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Almost all story, also considered to be one of the greatest games ever made...texasgoldrush
This is a game that uses its function as an adventure game, to define Manny's character and tell its story; in conjunction with the writing. It's an elegantly made game, and that was right down to the first document pitch. Function however in Grim Fandango is important. Removing core functions for the sake of it; without something to counterbalance it with another is beyond stupid - it shouldn't be there to begin with.
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#298 Krelian-co
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So what's wrong about a writer wanting to focus upon just WRITING for a vdeogame?Ringx55

knowing your job for starters, if you are writing for videogames is just dumb to want people to focus on "just writing"

also it would help her case if her writting wasn't terrible.

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#299 nethernova
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"It is the height of entitlement to believe you can say whatever you want, as hurtful as you like, and expect not a word of a retort. Those gamers now acting butthurt because Flynn and Hepler responded to the abuse are as cretinous and pathetic as one can get" Ah, so true. And so sad.
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#300 Krelian-co
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"It is the height of entitlement to believe you can say whatever you want, as hurtful as you like, and expect not a word of a retort. Those gamers now acting butthurt because Flynn and Hepler responded to the abuse are as cretinous and pathetic as one can get" Ah, so true. And so sad.nethernova

wrong, the article didn't say what kind of "retort" she said, because its a completely biased article, if she would've remained in silence the people attacking her would be the only ones at fault but since she answered something so stupid its hard to feel bad for her.