The Wii Gets Too Much Hate and To Be Honest, Its Getting Pretty Ridiculous.

Agreed. Yes it has a lot of shovelware, but just as much as either of itscompetitors.Shenmue_Jehuty

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] Proof? Shovelware rarely sells well.Willy105

Gameparty 1 million.
Carnival Games 1 million.
Deca Sports 1 million.

Three.

I'm convinced.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Gameparty 1 million.
Carnival Games 1 million.
Deca Sports 1 million.

insanejedi

Three.

I'm convinced.

Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Sonic and The Secret Rings
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition
Although two games are multiplat, the fact still remains they've sold 1 million + units.

The hate does get ridiculous and I can imagine it will get even more when December's NPD results on Wii hardware sales come in. Will the Wii make history and sell over three million units in one month alone? We have to see.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Gameparty 1 million.
Carnival Games 1 million.
Deca Sports 1 million.

WAIW

Three.

I'm convinced.

So why don't you give us three good third party games that sold more than a million?

Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga

Guitar Hero: World Tour

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2

Rayman Raving Rabbids

MySims

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

Rock Band

Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures

The Simpsons Game

all over 1 million.

Agreed. Yes it has a lot of shovelware, but just as much as either of itscompetitors.Shenmue_Jehuty

Just as much as its competitors you say? Interesting.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]Agreed. Yes it has a lot of shovelware, but just as much as either of itscompetitors.insanejedi

[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

Three.

I'm convinced.

GundamGuy0

So why don't you give us three good third party games that sold more than a million?

Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga

Guitar Hero: World Tour

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2

Rayman Raving Rabbids

MySims

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

Rock Band

Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures

The Simpsons Game

all over 1 million.

I want proof and references to all of these...

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]Agreed. Yes it has a lot of shovelware, but just as much as either of itscompetitors.Stevo_the_gamer

Just as much as its competitors you say? Interesting.

51.1% of how many games were higher then 70.0%

I have no doubt that the real numbers are higher, but in some cases you can use precentages to hide issues because of the smaller population size between two groups.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]Agreed. Yes it has a lot of shovelware, but just as much as either of itscompetitors.GundamGuy0

Just as much as its competitors you say? Interesting.

51.1% of how many games were higher then 70.0%

I have no doubt that the real numbers are higher, but in some cases you can use precentages to hide issues because of the smaller population size between two groups.

Xbox 360: 275/538

PS3: 162/269

Wii: 115/331

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

So why don't you give us three good third party games that sold more than a million?

insanejedi

Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga

Guitar Hero: World Tour

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2

Rayman Raving Rabbids

MySims

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

Rock Band

Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures

The Simpsons Game

all over 1 million.

I want proof and references to all of these...

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]51.12% of Microsoft's library has scored an average of 70.00% or higher, with Sony's PS3 having an impressive 60.22%; and what of the Wii? 34.74% of it's library has an average review score at or higher than 70.00%.

Just as much as its competitors you say? Interesting.

Stevo_the_gamer

51.1% of how many games were higher then 70.0%

I have no doubt that the real numbers are higher, but in some cases you can use precentages to hide issues because of the smaller population size between two groups.

Xbox 360: 275/538

PS3: 162/269

Wii: 115/331

Very intresting. The 360 is impressive to have as large a portion as it does with as many games as it has.

The wii deserves all the hate its getting and its not enough.

Sales dont equal games and wii is a money making machine and not as dedicated to games than it was before.

Its hard to call you a gamer with a 'wii only' console.

Nintendo are being LAZY. Instead of going forward with technology and entertainment, it seems like theyre going backwards.

Most of the things theyre developing and the hardware, are all done before except its just all gone mainstream and casual.

Look on the brightside, the ps3 and 360 and including the pc are here to fulfill and expand your gaming needs.

Very intresting. The 360 is impressive to have as large a portion as it does with as many games as it has.

GundamGuy0

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"] Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock

Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga

Guitar Hero: World Tour

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition

Rayman Raving Rabbids 2

Rayman Raving Rabbids

MySims

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles

Rock Band

Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures

The Simpsons Game

all over 1 million.

GundamGuy0

I want proof and references to all of these...

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

51.1% of how many games were higher then 70.0%

I have no doubt that the real numbers are higher, but in some cases you can use precentages to hide issues because of the smaller population size between two groups.

GundamGuy0

Xbox 360: 275/538

PS3: 162/269

Wii: 115/331

Very intresting. The 360 is impressive to have as large a portion as it does with as many games as it has.

I didin't ask for that. And I'm asking your for sources. No sources, no credibility.insanejedi

What sources will you accept? I got all of the numbers off of VGcharts to make life simple, but most of these games have been in the news for there great sales on the Wii, I'm sure I could find another source for most of the list.

The wii deserves all the hate its getting and its not enough.

Sales dont equal games and wii is a money making machine and not as dedicated to games than it was before.

Its hard to call you a gamer with a 'wii only' console.

Nintendo are being LAZY. Instead of going forward with technology and entertainment, it seems like theyre going backwards.

Most of the things theyre developing and the hardware, are all done before except its just all gone mainstream and casual.

Look on the brightside, the ps3 and 360 and including the pc are here to fulfill and expand your gaming needs.

g0ddyX

115 "Good" game and the console considered crap. Then again, in comparison, they are less. Could you by any chance do percentages with exclusive games 70+? Just out of curiousity.SMR-Venom

you're scared to share you favourite hobby with someone who doesn't know much about video games?Haziqonfire

Well...the Wii does deserve most of the hate it receives. It has disappointed a great many people with the hoards of lazily produced shovel ware that flood the shelves. Nintendo and the third parties have starved gamers for several months with sub-par efforts...Wii owners looking for new games go to the store only to find My Pet Horzez or Kidz Sportz or Dogz or Catz games. Yes we all know the great games are out on the Wii, but we all bought them a year ago or more. Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda...and a smattering of some decent third party efforts that reach a decent level of competence. Its been a long hard year and traditional gamers are not too appreciative of Nintendos new "Wii Fit" direction.

That said, the Wii also does not get the respect it deserves. It is successfull beyond anyones expectation. When it works, it works fantastic. Its a very playable and fun little game machine that has captured the imagination of millions of people. The future could be very bright if the software makers truely start to show off what the Wii is capable of doing...there is a huge installed base of gamers just waiting to be served.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]Well a majority of the shovelware being sold is what people are buying 3rd party wise.insanejedi

Gameparty 1 million.
Carnival Games 1 million.
Deca Sports 1 million.

3 games? That's it? Out of all the hundreds of shovleware titles that gamers claim are ruining gaming, you can only find three that sold? Not exactly an epedemic.

Carnivla games isn't really as bad as most make it (its still shovelware mind you) but the GT review was about the only honest one I saw. Decasports and gameparty sold because it tried to make it's self look like wii sports and casuals didn't know any better. But casuals are not stupid. Just look at the sales of gameparty 2. No one was willing to be douped twice.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]115 "Good" game and the console considered crap. Then again, in comparison, they are less. Could you by any chance do percentages with exclusive games 70+? Just out of curiousity.Stevo_the_gamer

I don't think the wii gets proper respect because it does not cater to the traditional gaming market, males aged 18-24. Most of that demorgraphic are playing shooters and fighters and those titles are lacking on the wii. (Not because of Nintendo but because 3rd parties have not included in the wii in many of their hit games. Looking at some of the titles that are going to be released this year I would say that slowly the 3rd party companies are coming over to the dark side and are developing games for the console, finally.) The wii is truely a family console, there is something for everyone and everyone is playing something and the 'core' gamers are becoming something totally differnt than a couple of years ago..

I am the demographic that Nintendo is aiming for, a mother with spending money. I'm also a female that grew up in the age of video games and I have waited an awfully long time for games to be marketed to me. MS and Sony missed the boat on getting my money when they stopped making games I wanted to play.

It deserves hate because it's destroying true gaming with its crappy non-HD graphics, plain and simple. Luckily the system is a sinking ship which will crash and burn once the fad is over. Even now the HD family consoles are crushing this damning system. Nintendo needs to do us real gamers a favor and just die like it was suppose to already! runbleduck

The wii deserves all the hate its getting and its not enough.

Sales dont equal games and wii is a money making machine and not as dedicated to games than it was before.

Its hard to call you a gamer with a 'wii only' console.

Nintendo are being LAZY. Instead of going forward with technology and entertainment, it seems like theyre going backwards.

Most of the things theyre developing and the hardware, are all done before except its just all gone mainstream and casual.

Look on the brightside, the ps3 and 360 and including the pc are here to fulfill and expand your gaming needs.

g0ddyX

The Wii has some of the most annoying online I've ever seen. I really wish they didn't bother with friend codes.

O I've seen plenty of multi-platform games get dumbed down for the wii, and it's bloody annoying.

"The games are crap."

"I don't care for the games."

Semantics. ;)

The type of games I like certainly are niche on the Wii. Like you're saying, it is not directly competing with the PS3 and 360 as Nintendo is targeting a different demographic. I wasn't even particularly interested in what Nintendo were offering before the Wii happened. Super Mario Galaxy, Mad World and Fragile are the ones. What's that, one game per year?

And taking risks my ass, what the low development cost and high profit potential encourages more than anything is shovelware.

It deserves hate because it's destroying true gaming with its crappy non-HD graphics, plain and simple. Luckily the system is a sinking ship which will crash and burn once the fad is over. Even now the HD family consoles are crushing this damning system. Nintendo needs to do us real gamers a favor and just die like it was suppose to already! runbleduck

Wow. Where do I start?

"True gaming" does not exist. I don't play my PS3 on an HDTV. Am I not truly gaming?

The Wii is a sinking ship? :lol:

Try again.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] Proof? Shovelware rarely sells well.goblaa

Gameparty 1 million.
Carnival Games 1 million.
Deca Sports 1 million.

3 games? That's it? Out of all the hundreds of shovleware titles that gamers claim are ruining gaming, you can only find three that sold? Not exactly an epedemic.

Carnivla games isn't really as bad as most make it (its still shovelware mind you) but the GT review was about the only honest one I saw. Decasports and gameparty sold because it tried to make it's self look like wii sports and casuals didn't know any better. But casuals are not stupid. Just look at the sales of gameparty 2. No one was willing to be douped twice.

If you want more than I suggest you head over to the Amazon.com

Best Sellers.

14.My Fitness Coach

24. Active Life Outdoor Challenge

We ski, Jillian Michaels Fitness Ultimatum 2009, You name it. These sell, don't be blind.

[QUOTE="FunkyHeadHunter"]The Wii, along witht he PS3 get a lot of hate here on the forums...NOT IN REAL WORLD. Forums dont make things real. So just enjoy your console of choice..Man_Bear_Pig_

I smell a trap here....I will bite "only a little"..Why you ask?

Fanboys just bash it because its beating their consoles, its really nothing personal :Ppeterom11

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]

Gameparty 1 million.
Carnival Games 1 million.
Deca Sports 1 million.

insanejedi

3 games? That's it? Out of all the hundreds of shovleware titles that gamers claim are ruining gaming, you can only find three that sold? Not exactly an epedemic.

Carnivla games isn't really as bad as most make it (its still shovelware mind you) but the GT review was about the only honest one I saw. Decasports and gameparty sold because it tried to make it's self look like wii sports and casuals didn't know any better. But casuals are not stupid. Just look at the sales of gameparty 2. No one was willing to be douped twice.

If you want more than I suggest you head over to the Amazon.com

Best Sellers.

14.My Fitness Coach

24. Active Life Outdoor Challenge

We ski, Jillian Michaels Fitness Ultimatum 2009, You name it. These sell, don't be blind.

None of those games have sold enough to turn a profit on wii; 250K .

The only ones that have are the babyz, catz, dogz games...but those have a A/AA average on gamerankings. May not be my cup of tea, but ubi does put a lot of effort in to them. They sell well, they rate well, and there's a whole slew of people in to them and they keep comming back for more "Z" games. Not exactly shovleware.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

3 games? That's it? Out of all the hundreds of shovleware titles that gamers claim are ruining gaming, you can only find three that sold? Not exactly an epedemic.

Carnivla games isn't really as bad as most make it (its still shovelware mind you) but the GT review was about the only honest one I saw. Decasports and gameparty sold because it tried to make it's self look like wii sports and casuals didn't know any better. But casuals are not stupid. Just look at the sales of gameparty 2. No one was willing to be douped twice.

goblaa

If you want more than I suggest you head over to the Amazon.com

Best Sellers.

14.My Fitness Coach

24. Active Life Outdoor Challenge

We ski, Jillian Michaels Fitness Ultimatum 2009, You name it. These sell, don't be blind.

None of those games have sold enough to turn a profit on wii; 250K .

The only ones that have are the babyz, catz, dogz games...but those have a A/AA average on gamerankings. May not be my cup of tea, but ubi does put a lot of effort in to them. They sell well, they rate well, and there's a whole slew of people in to them and they keep comming back for more "Z" games. Not exactly shovleware.

Quality Exclusives 7+ from Metacritic. Wii: 72/331 = 21.75% Xbox 360: 69/538 = 12.82% PS3: 45/269 = 16.72 % Disclaimer: I used Exclusives because they are used to define a console. I used Downloadable games for all consoles. There were no such things as "Console exclusives". These numbers may be off by 1-3 games, please go through all those games if you want to check :| These are console lifetime, not just 2008, games. BTW, Exclusive = if it is on any other system, be it PC, handheld or console for this generation, it is not exclusive. So, as you can see, Wii has great games.SMR-Venom

By doing what you have done you have excluded multiplatforms not on the Wii. For instance non-great games such as Fallout 3 and GTAIV which don't define the platforms. For the purpose of comparing the number and percentage of great games on each platform it is therefore completely stupid.

What you could do is count all games. Then you'd have something like this

70+
Wii
115/331
34.7%

PS3
162/269
60.22%

360
275/538
51.1%


85+
Wii
16/331
4.8%

PS3
39/269
14.5%

360
54/538
10%

50-
Wii
72/331
21.7%

PS3
18/269
6.7%

360
63/538
11.7%

When Nintendo takes development time and money to develop titles like Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Wii Music, and Brain Age they do deserve the bashing they get.senses_fail_06

Except those are good games. (well, wii music is a stretch since it could had been a lot better)

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]When Nintendo takes development time and money to develop titles like Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Wii Music, and Brain Age they do deserve the bashing they get.goblaa

Except those are good games. (well, wii music is a stretch since it could had been a lot better)

My problem with the wii:

1. The best of the wii games are fairly mediocre compared to the competition or even nintendo's first party titles (3rd party).

2. Although the wii is supposed to be some sort of a revolution in gaming, it seems to only inspire games with waggle and pointing attached to previously upheld gaming formulas.

I thought most of the users on here agreed that the proper term for "shovelware" is "games that i dont like"? well the intelligent ones anyway._Cubit_

Games, like movies and books ... and many other things, have different levels of quality and effort that was put into makign them.

Shovelware is the term for what's at the bottom.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Quality Exclusives 7+ from Metacritic. Wii: 72/331 = 21.75% Xbox 360: 69/538 = 12.82% PS3: 45/269 = 16.72 % Disclaimer: I used Exclusives because they are used to define a console. I used Downloadable games for all consoles. There were no such things as "Console exclusives". These numbers may be off by 1-3 games, please go through all those games if you want to check :| These are console lifetime, not just 2008, games. BTW, Exclusive = if it is on any other system, be it PC, handheld or console for this generation, it is not exclusive. So, as you can see, Wii has great games.InsaneBasura

By doing what you have done you have excluded multiplatforms not on the Wii. For instance non-great games such as Fallout 3 and GTAIV which don't define the platforms. For the purpose of comparing the number and percentage of great games on each platform it is therefore completely stupid.

What you could do is count all games. Then you'd have something like this

70+
Wii
115/331
34.7%

PS3
162/269
60.22%

360
275/538
51.1%


85+
Wii
16/331
4.8%

PS3
39/269
14.5%

360
54/538
10%

50-
Wii
72/331
21.7%

PS3
18/269
6.7%

360
63/538
11.7%

Beautiful.