The Wii Gets Too Much Hate and To Be Honest, Its Getting Pretty Ridiculous.

My problem with the wii:

1. The best of the wii games are fairly mediocre compared to the competition or even nintendo's first party titles (3rd party).

2. Although the wii is supposed to be some sort of a revolution in gaming, it seems to only inspire games with waggle and pointing attached to previously upheld gaming formulas.

hakanakumono

Ever since the Wii has launched, it's been getting a lot of hate from the gaming community. I really fail to understand why. Is it because you are no longer the primary demographic? Is it because, God forbid, you're scared to share you favourite hobby with someone who doesn't know much about video games? Ireally fail to see it. People mock the console for having 'crappy' games, when in actuality, it has many quality titles.

Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360.

Thats a key point right there and I honestly think its one point people fail to see.

You will never see the big named titles, like GTAIV, Fallout 3, Metal Gear whathaveyou, Half Life, etc on the console. Its a console for open development. Its a console for developers to take risks due to low development costs and at a good chance of making a profit, to avoid a "free radical" situation ;).

So really, I don't see the hate. I can understand not liking the titles on the console, but to call them 'crap' or even worse ' shovelware' when they really aren't, is getting pretty ridiculous.

The console is here for niche games -- games like Little King's Story, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, MadWorld, Fragile, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Etc.

Those are the games that should be used to define the console. The majority of people ignore the quality titles and seem to think all the system is made up of is this:

Open your eyes and stop being ridiculous. There is a way to go about saying you have no interest in the consoles software versus saying the software is 'crap/shovelware'.Haziqonfire

I agree with your post for the most part especially the first part of it. I enjoy the fact that my family and females :D enjoy playing Wii games; this audience hasn't really felt the need to play a video game since the NES, SNES days because of how complicated video games have gotten. What Nintendo did was create a system that satisfies not just teens to twenties males but everyone. Nintendo has provided a gigantic array of software; Super Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl, Prime 3, Zelda: TP, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Fire Emblem...there is something for EVERYONE.

I do however think Wii is for much more than just for niche games though. Big name franchises such as Guitar Hero, Rockband, Sonic, Shaun White (I know new but still) are all doing very well on Wii. Plus Monster Hunter 3, Dragon Quest X, and Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers are also big name games too. The only think that matters in this situation is quality; something that almost any video game needs to do well.

That being said Wii is a much better system for niche games since it has a larger install base and a MUCH lower development cost. This alone helps games like De Blob, Fragile, and Boom Blox develop into successes and possible future blockbuster names.

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

EDIT: also if nintendo had followed the way of the 360 and ps3 it would be selling less then the ps3 it would of been dead last again and would of risked nintendos future in the console market. Is that the way you wanted nintendo to be?

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

_Cubit_

You are correct. The only reason why we have the 360 and PS3 the way they are is because of the PS2 and what sold well on the console: hardcore titles. This is because the hardcore embraced it from the beginning even though:

• 70% of its software was "sovelware".
• it had a TON Casual crap titles using eyetoy and singstar that sold upwards to several million units.
• It had the worst graphics in its generation (yes, I know... not as drastic as the Wii's).
• It has terrible online support.

[QUOTE="_Cubit_"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

You are correct. The only reason why we have the 360 and PS3 the way they are is because of the PS2 and what sold well on the console: hardcore titles. This is because the hardcore embraced it from the beginning even though:

• 70% of its software was "sovelware".
• it had a TON Casual crap titles using eyetoy and singstar that sold upwards to several million units.
• It had the worst graphics in its generation (yes, I know... not as drastic as the Wii's).
• It has terrible online support.

It's because Nintendo would rather use the Wii's innovative motion sensing controller to make crap games like Wii music. SpinoRaptor24

It's because Nintendo would rather use the Wii's innovative motion sensing controller to make crap games like Wii music. SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]It's because Nintendo would rather use the Wii's innovative motion sensing controller to make crap games like Wii music. Haziqonfire

No I haven't and I don't plan to either. But hey if you enjoy playing it, then good for you.

There are far better games out there.

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

3. Don't buy a Wii because you don't like how bloody expensive it is. You may instead use your money to support the consoles not going in a direction you don't approve of.

And why are you calling Wii games that aren't crap niche? Stop it at this instant!

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]It's because Nintendo would rather use the Wii's innovative motion sensing controller to make crap games like Wii music. SpinoRaptor24

No I haven't and I don't plan to either. But hey if you enjoy playing it, then good for you.

There are far better games out there.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"] I'm willing to bet you haven't even played Wii Music._Cubit_

No I haven't and I don't plan to either. But hey if you enjoy playing it, then good for you.

There are far better games out there.

Yes everyone has different tastes in gaming. I don't expect everyone to like the same thing.

[QUOTE="_Cubit_"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

No I haven't and I don't plan to either. But hey if you enjoy playing it, then good for you.

There are far better games out there.

SpinoRaptor24

Yes everyone has different tastes in gaming. I don't expect everyone to like the same thing.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="_Cubit_"] An interesting post, but there are going to be really stubborn people who wont agree, im not saying there is anything wrong with the other consoles, but they seem to be using the same path that all consoles have used previous generations, which is increasing the hardware output and such, while thats not an entirely bad thing, it is going to stagnate, Nintendo have a good idea with the motion controls, and is still early stages, expect to see better use of motion controls in the future, i think alot of the hate the wii gets is because alot of people are afraid of this idea, because it is not the normal way that previous generation of consoles have tried to lead. im sure the wii could have been better hardware wise, but it wasnt really needed(ive never bought a game based on its visual quality ever), as its trying to be affordable and energy efficient, and maximise profits for nintendo while keeping dev costs low so fledgling developers can get a foothold into the gaming world and have a chance of being big._Cubit_

You are correct. The only reason why we have the 360 and PS3 the way they are is because of the PS2 and what sold well on the console: hardcore titles. This is because the hardcore embraced it from the beginning even though:

• 70% of its software was "sovelware".
• it had a TON Casual crap titles using eyetoy and singstar that sold upwards to several million units.
• It had the worst graphics in its generation (yes, I know... not as drastic as the Wii's).
• It has terrible online support.

Well this generation, the hardcore are decidedly against the top dog, the Wii, and it's because the Wii truly is set in the past but with a completely new direction. This is the direction that has now been set and solidified by the Wii's sales. I suggest that the hardcore start to embrace it and have a say in what they want out of the future of gaming. It's completely ridiculous that people do not see this. Microsoft and Sony both want a piece of the cake, and they WILL fight for it.

this actually made me think of a great new topic. Watch out for it soon! :P

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

InsaneBasura

3. Don't buy a Wii because you don't like how bloody expensive it is. You may instead use your money to support the consoles not going in a direction you don't approve of.

And why are you calling Wii games that aren't crap niche? Stop it at this instant!

I already said that that is the one main argument, and I responded to it. :\

Also, most great titles on the Wii ARE niche unless its from Nintendo.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][QUOTE="_Cubit_"] and im 100% sure that other people wouldn't agree with you with what u think those better games would be._Cubit_

Yes everyone has different tastes in gaming. I don't expect everyone to like the same thing.

System Wars is all about being a fanboy;)

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]It's because Nintendo would rather use the Wii's innovative motion sensing controller to make crap games like Wii music. SpinoRaptor24

No I haven't and I don't plan to either. But hey if you enjoy playing it, then good for you.

There are far better games out there.

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

Furthermore, you're acting as if Sony and MS should just give up on this gen. Both consoles are quality products that have improved tremendously over their lifespans, and unlike Nintendo they have created products and services that have room to grow beyond this generation. We're going to see MS build on features like XBL, XNA and Netflix streaming for the Xbox 3. We're going to see Sony bring PSN and Home to the PS4. What can Nintendo carry forward from the Wii? A nifty controller that the vast majority of games fail to take advantage of? If you're really serious about supporting the industry, there are better places for your money than Nintendo's pockets.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

PBSnipes

Furthermore, you're acting as if Sony and MS should just give up on this gen. Both consoles are quality products that have improved tremendously over their lifespans, and unlike Nintendo they have created products and services that have room to grow beyond this generation. We're going to see MS build on features like XBL, XNA and Netflix streaming for the Xbox 3. We're going to see Sony bring PSN and Home to the PS4. What can Nintendo carry forward from the Wii? A nifty controller that the vast majority of games fail to take advantage of? If you're really serious about supporting the industry, there are better places for your money than Nintendo's pockets.

There are a LOT of places Nintendo can go with their Wii-mote. Physical responses to a videogame world are TEXT BOOK virtual reality. If that is the way Nintendo is going, and they make it work (and trust me when I say that if that is their goal, they will make it work), and they PATENT it, there will no longer be competition until an even more radical wave comes along.

Also, I should note that Nintendo is also bringing video-on-demand to Wii in 2009.

I do not think that the 360 and the PS3 should give up, what they are doing is continuing from where the PS2 left off and then mixing some of the Wii's success into their own formulas. Those ideas that they have had will always be carried on, but they are playing a game that they will lose generation after generation if they CONTINUE on this path. That much is fact.

So, the Wii has won. Either you deal with the fact that the casual market will dominate from here on out, or you reshape what happens by making OTHER DEVELOPERS (not just Nintendo), place hardcore gaming on Wii. That way, it will continue to be solidified in our videogaming culture.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

Furthermore, you're acting as if Sony and MS should just give up on this gen. Both consoles are quality products that have improved tremendously over their lifespans, and unlike Nintendo they have created products and services that have room to grow beyond this generation. We're going to see MS build on features like XBL, XNA and Netflix streaming for the Xbox 3. We're going to see Sony bring PSN and Home to the PS4. What can Nintendo carry forward from the Wii? A nifty controller that the vast majority of games fail to take advantage of? If you're really serious about supporting the industry, there are better places for your money than Nintendo's pockets.

There are a LOT of places Nintendo can go with their Wii-mote. Physical responses to a videogame world are TEXT BOOK virtual reality. If that is the way Nintendo is going, and they make it work (and trust me when I say that if that is their goal, they will make it work), and they PATENT it, there will no longer be competition until an even more radical wave comes along.

Also, I should note that Nintendo is also bringing video-on-demand to Wii in 2009.

I do not think that the 360 and the PS3 should give up, what they are doing is continuing from where the PS2 left off and then mixing some of the Wii's success into their own formulas. Those ideas that they have had will always be carried on, but they are playing a game that they will lose generation after generation if they CONTINUE on this path. That much is fact.

So, the Wii has won. Either you deal with the fact that the casual market will dominate from here on out, or you reshape what happens by making OTHER DEVELOPERS (not just Nintendo), place hardcore gaming on Wii. That way, it will continue to be solidified in our videogaming culture.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"] But proclaiming we should support the Wii because Nintendo have "won" the console war is shortsighted to say the least. First of all, what makes you think the gaming community can have any effect on Nintendo's decsion making process? They certainly don't seem to be losing any sleep over, say, the complaints about the Wii's online service (or lack thereof) or the lack of "hardcore" games. And even if we do "vote" with our wallets, Nintendo damn well knows they'll make more money churning out low-risk high-reward games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Wii Music than another Pikmin or Metroid or *gasp!* a quality new IP.

Furthermore, you're acting as if Sony and MS should just give up on this gen. Both consoles are quality products that have improved tremendously over their lifespans, and unlike Nintendo they have created products and services that have room to grow beyond this generation. We're going to see MS build on features like XBL, XNA and Netflix streaming for the Xbox 3. We're going to see Sony bring PSN and Home to the PS4. What can Nintendo carry forward from the Wii? A nifty controller that the vast majority of games fail to take advantage of? If you're really serious about supporting the industry, there are better places for your money than Nintendo's pockets.

_Cubit_

There are a LOT of places Nintendo can go with their Wii-mote. Physical responses to a videogame world are TEXT BOOK virtual reality. If that is the way Nintendo is going, and they make it work (and trust me when I say that if that is their goal, they will make it work), and they PATENT it, there will no longer be competition until an even more radical wave comes along.

Also, I should note that Nintendo is also bringing video-on-demand to Wii in 2009.

I do not think that the 360 and the PS3 should give up, what they are doing is continuing from where the PS2 left off and then mixing some of the Wii's success into their own formulas. Those ideas that they have had will always be carried on, but they are playing a game that they will lose generation after generation if they CONTINUE on this path. That much is fact.

So, the Wii has won. Either you deal with the fact that the casual market will dominate from here on out, or you reshape what happens by making OTHER DEVELOPERS (not just Nintendo), place hardcore gaming on Wii. That way, it will continue to be solidified in our videogaming culture.

it fades away when not stimulated. If there is content, there will be people to buy it.

But I agree with what you say. :P

To alot of PS360 owners, the Wii represents a threat to "hardcore gaming". Alot of people believe Microsoft and Sony will begin to copy Nintendo's practices (there are examples of this already, like Sonys new butt ugly motion controller) because thats "where the money is". As such alot of people are worried that next gen might consist of weak(hardware wise) consoles all geared towards the "casual consumer". Nintendo has shown they can make a staggering amount of profit with a console that has a rediculous lack of high quality 3rd party games.

Of course if something like this happened, and lets say only "Wii like" consoles existed next gen. Dedicated developers would always release their high quality titles on those consoles instead. They wouldn't necessarily just dissapear.... i hope

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

3. Don't buy a Wii because you don't like how bloody expensive it is. You may instead use your money to support the consoles not going in a direction you don't approve of.

And why are you calling Wii games that aren't crap niche? Stop it at this instant!

I already said that that is the one main argument, and I responded to it. :\

Also, most great titles on the Wii ARE niche unless its from Nintendo.

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

There are a LOT of places Nintendo can go with their Wii-mote. Physical responses to a videogame world are TEXT BOOK virtual reality. If that is the way Nintendo is going, and they make it work (and trust me when I say that if that is their goal, they will make it work), and they PATENT it, there will no longer be competition until an even more radical wave comes along.

Also, I should note that Nintendo is also bringing video-on-demand to Wii in 2009.

I do not think that the 360 and the PS3 should give up, what they are doing is continuing from where the PS2 left off and then mixing some of the Wii's success into their own formulas. Those ideas that they have had will always be carried on, but they are playing a game that they will lose generation after generation if they CONTINUE on this path. That much is fact.

So, the Wii has won. Either you deal with the fact that the casual market will dominate from here on out, or you reshape what happens by making OTHER DEVELOPERS (not just Nintendo), place hardcore gaming on Wii. That way, it will continue to be solidified in our videogaming culture.

kansasdude2009

As for Nintendo's VoD service, you mean the one where "Nintendo plans to offer cartoons and "mainly family-oriented programming" options created especially for the Wii video service." and will probably be the same streaming videos from the Nintendo Channel? Thanks but no thanks.

Why is it a bad thing that MS and Sony are continuing from where the PS2 (or more accurately, the Xbox) left off? The end-result of that design philosophy is a true media-centre PC, one that allows you to seamlessly access your entire multimedia collection from anywhere at anytime. A product with the best of both PC and console design. Do you honestly think *that* is going to "lose" to the Wii's design philosophy of offering a low-value, sub-par product with only a handful of redeeming features?

I'll say it again: supporting Nintendo one way or the other isn't going to change anything. Even in a best-case senario where a game like Zelda or Mad World or The Conduit are able to equal the sales of Wii Sports or Wii Fit, Nintendo can crank out the Wii- s.tyle games at a fraction of the cost in a fraction of the time. So there will never be any financial incentive for Nintendo (or any developer/publisher) to support "hardcore" games, and therefore trying to "vote with your wallet" is pointless. The only way to ensure that gaming grows the way you want is to support the developers that share your vision, and by-and-large the Wii is certainly not the home to those developers.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

There are a LOT of places Nintendo can go with their Wii-mote. Physical responses to a videogame world are TEXT BOOK virtual reality. If that is the way Nintendo is going, and they make it work (and trust me when I say that if that is their goal, they will make it work), and they PATENT it, there will no longer be competition until an even more radical wave comes along.

Also, I should note that Nintendo is also bringing video-on-demand to Wii in 2009.

I do not think that the 360 and the PS3 should give up, what they are doing is continuing from where the PS2 left off and then mixing some of the Wii's success into their own formulas. Those ideas that they have had will always be carried on, but they are playing a game that they will lose generation after generation if they CONTINUE on this path. That much is fact.

So, the Wii has won. Either you deal with the fact that the casual market will dominate from here on out, or you reshape what happens by making OTHER DEVELOPERS (not just Nintendo), place hardcore gaming on Wii. That way, it will continue to be solidified in our videogaming culture.

PBSnipes

As for Nintendo's VoD service, you mean the one where "Nintendo plans to offer cartoons and "mainly family-oriented programming" options created especially for the Wii video service." and will probably be the same streaming videos from the Nintendo Channel? Thanks but no thanks.

Why is it a bad thing that MS and Sony are continuing from where the PS2 (or more accurately, the Xbox) left off? The end-result of that design philosophy is a true media-centre PC, one that allows you to seamlessly access your entire multimedia collection from anywhere at anytime. A product with the best of both PC and console design. Do you honestly think *that* is going to "lose" to the Wii's design philosophy of offering a low-value, sub-par product with only a handful of redeeming features?

I'll say it again: supporting Nintendo one way or the other isn't going to change anything. Even in a best-case senario where a game like Zelda or Mad World or The Conduit are able to equal the sales of Wii Sports or Wii Fit, Nintendo can crank out the Wii- s.tyle games at a fraction of the cost in a fraction of the time. So there will never be any financial incentive for Nintendo (or any developer/publisher) to support "hardcore" games, and therefore trying to "vote with your wallet" is pointless. The only way to ensure that gaming grows the way you want is to support the developers that share your vision, and by-and-large the Wii is certainly not the home to those developers.

Anyone here owning a wii only console and over 18 here needs to rethink what gaming is all about.

Its clear most people here love their wii so much to deny that the wii is primarily a casual console, ie the ones mothers and middle age women to toddlers play.

Wii is selling like hotcakes, too bad the amount of games releasing are not as hot.

At the start, wii was fun to play, especially with friends. But the fad dies away quickly and your playing alone collecting stars and waving the wiimote..catch my drift.

In terms of gaming in general, the isnt helping much. I dont think developers dont put in the effort much as long as it sells.

Anyways, this is system wars, defend your console as much as you like, is only showing that your desperate, have less games to play, and justifying your purchase.

Nintendo should 'man up' and use the money theyve gained to make a REAL next gen console at the likes that tell crysis, halo and killzone users to move aside.
Anything like this.

Anyone here owning a wii only console and over 18 here needs to rethink what gaming is all about.

Its clear most people here love their wii so much to deny that the wii is primarily a casual console, ie the ones mothers and middle age women to toddlers play.

Wii is selling like hotcakes, too bad the amount of games releasing are not as hot.

At the start, wii was fun to play, especially with friends. But the fad dies away quickly and your playing alone collecting stars and waving the wiimote..catch my drift.

In terms of gaming in general, the isnt helping much. I dont think developers dont put in the effort much as long as it sells.

Anyways, this is system wars, defend your console as much as you like, is only showing that your desperate, have less games to play, and justifying your purchase.

Nintendo should 'man up' and use the money theyve gained to make a REAL next gen console at the likes that tell crysis, halo and killzone users to move aside.
Anything like this.

g0ddyX

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

kansasdude2009

The reason why I haven't bought a Wii game in so long is cause their games don't appeal to me at all. Just like how there are games on the other systems that might be embraced by the other groups, but don't appeal to the sheep.

What's the point of supporting the Wii when there are other alternative systems out there? It's like telling me to buy COD3 on the Wii to support fps games and so they can improve in the future, but where I can just play it on the other systems which are superior compare to the Wii counterpart.

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

Anyone here owning a wii only console and over 18 here needs to rethink what gaming is all about.

Its clear most people here love their wii so much to deny that the wii is primarily a casual console, ie the ones mothers and middle age women to toddlers play.

Wii is selling like hotcakes, too bad the amount of games releasing are not as hot.

At the start, wii was fun to play, especially with friends. But the fad dies away quickly and your playing alone collecting stars and waving the wiimote..catch my drift.

In terms of gaming in general, the isnt helping much. I dont think developers dont put in the effort much as long as it sells.

Anyways, this is system wars, defend your console as much as you like, is only showing that your desperate, have less games to play, and justifying your purchase.

Nintendo should 'man up' and use the money theyve gained to make a REAL next gen console at the likes that tell crysis, halo and killzone users to move aside.
Anything like this.

_Cubit_

Most of my opinions are based on facts.

And a part of me feels sorry for you, dont you wanna be more than fully satisfied and if you like a certain genre, you will find it on the ps3 or 360 or even the pc.

And another thing am trying to prove that its not all about the wii neither it is the best console just because mario lives on and going strong and it sells.

If HD is so much of a factor why is retro gaming such a big thing and why where all three machines set to be BC when released (however, due to cost MS and Sony dropped that support)?

I think the biggest problem for the Wii is it's apparent lack of decent games that are even equivilent to the best XBox games around let alone better than it. It has had in the words of our Queen an Annus Horribilis of a year. Sure SSBB came out and at the end of the wear World of Goo came out on WiiWare but not a lot else happened or did it games like Sonic Unleased, COD:WaW, Rock Band 2were all released as well and it appears that developers are starting to get to grips with the Wii and eek the most out of the hardware. There's also possibilities there for more games like World of Goo to be released as well on WiiWare that don't cost the earth but deliver the gaming goods and all without HD visuals.

I still think the way to go is to be wither a PSWii or Wii60 owner so that you get the best of both worlds, however, if you can only afford one console this generation that has to be the 360 premium, at it's current price point there's no argument from any of the other camps.

I agree with you completely Haziq.

The amount of hate on the Wii in SW is outrageous and if people hate on the wii, at least hate on the wii for logical reasons. Not things like "All 3rd party games are shovelware".

Yea,let them hate all they want on these forums but I doubt I will be here to see it because this year is going to be gaming madness for my Wii.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

_Cubit_

EDIT: also if nintendo had followed the way of the 360 and ps3 it would be selling less then the ps3 it would of been dead last again and would of risked nintendos future in the console market. Is that the way you wanted nintendo to be?

A form of technology stagnating... interesting. This has never happened before.

supporting wii is just sad, it has no appeal to those of us that enjoy a bit depth in our gamming
2008 was fecking horrible. The wii mote will get an add on for better precision, that means its not even living up to its full potential that it gave everything else up for

and saying we should support the industry by buying wii is BS
did nintendo 64 owners go out and buy a PSX when PSX blew it outta the water?


face it sheep, as long as you have Mario or zelda you will always defend Nintendo, wii is a big flop and saying it sold the most is like saying mcdonalds is bettar than a fancy dinner

"Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360."

This is the statement that explains why you don't get it.

People do not dislike it because it's popular. It's not because it has a new controller. It's because the line-up is lackluster compared to the other consoles... Why on Earth would you NOT compare it to the other consoles? They offer the same core experience: video games.

People dislike the Wii because it doesn't get big multiplats. It's graphics are last-gen. There are few games that utilize the Wiimote in an innovative way. The online sucks. Nintendo rehashes franchises as bad as Square Enix.

If you don't want it to be compared to other video game consoles, I don't know what to tell you.

WAIW

Add to that the pick up an play emphasis and its pretty useless, with my 360 gone for repairs, even though i've been bored I havn't wanted to play the Wii.

I have the games but, but I can't get into them, maybe someday I may, but i've just given up on Nintendo now, I feel bad for owning a Wii because I havn't made use of it, I may just sell it.

I used to defend it.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]Well a majority of the shovelware being sold is what people are buying 3rd party wise.Haziqonfire

When your criticizing the Wii it doesn't mean you hate it. It's true that Wii has bad graphics and bad games. It doesn't have as many good games as xbox360 or ps3. Doesn't mean I hate it. I actually want it for the few good first party games which I'm a fan of.