The Wii Gets Too Much Hate and To Be Honest, Its Getting Pretty Ridiculous.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"] except that the droves of shovelware were the norm when the console WAS NOT the highest selling. it's a shovelware magnet because many devs aren't taking it seriously enough. they're putting their best talent on 360/PS3 games because they are tougher to make and require their talent to get done right. Wii games are enhanced Gamecube games. It's obvious dev houses aren't putting their best talent on Wii games. and it shows.Dreams-Visions

With the high cost of producing for 360 or PS3, cheap, quick wii games probably fund their bigger projects.

I think part of the problem is that motion sensing is supposed to be new and exciting, so people will buy the simplest games as long as they have motion sensing attached.

It's been proven in this forum that the first 2 years of the PS2 had a greater number of high quality games than the current wii library. hakanakumono

I think part of the problem is that motion sensing is supposed to be new and exciting, so people will buy the simplest games as long as they have motion sensing attached. hakanakumono

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]It's been proven in this forum that the first 2 years of the PS2 had a greater number of high quality games than the current wii library. AlexSays

The problem is the wii seems to be losing speed, not gaining speed. It could turn out worse than the gamecube.

I had to import the only game worth playing in the last 6 months (Tatsunoko vs. Capcom) for those of us who don't want Animal Crossing.Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Quality Exclusives 7+ from Metacritic. Wii: 72/331 = 21.75% Xbox 360: 69/538 = 12.82% PS3: 45/269 = 16.72 % Disclaimer: I used Exclusives because they are used to define a console. I used Downloadable games for all consoles. There were no such things as "Console exclusives". These numbers may be off by 1-3 games, please go through all those games if you want to check :| These are console lifetime, not just 2008, games. BTW, Exclusive = if it is on any other system, be it PC, handheld or console for this generation, it is not exclusive. So, as you can see, Wii has great games.InsaneBasura

By doing what you have done you have excluded multiplatforms not on the Wii. For instance non-great games such as Fallout 3 and GTAIV which don't define the platforms. For the purpose of comparing the number and percentage of great games on each platform it is therefore completely stupid.

What you could do is count all games. Then you'd have something like this

70+
Wii
115/331
34.7%

PS3
162/269
60.22%

360
275/538
51.1%


85+
Wii
16/331
4.8%

PS3
39/269
14.5%

360
54/538
10%

50-
Wii
72/331
21.7%

PS3
18/269
6.7%

360
63/538
11.7%

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]I think part of the problem is that motion sensing is supposed to be new and exciting, so people will buy the simplest games as long as they have motion sensing attached. Stevo_the_gamer

How so? I mean, I would expect that the technology is something thats been around for a while, but has gotten better. But the 80s? Really?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I had to import the only game worth playing in the last 6 months (Tatsunoko vs. Capcom) for those of us who don't want Animal Crossing.AlexSays

Maybe he bought the system and expected to get more out of it? Thats a valid complaint. He may not be in love with the system, but there may be games he still likes for it.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]I think part of the problem is that motion sensing is supposed to be new and exciting, so people will buy the simplest games as long as they have motion sensing attached. hakanakumono

How so? I mean, I would expect that the technology is something thats been around for a while, but has gotten better. But the 80s? Really?

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

I have said it many times: The Wii has changed videogaming forever. A future has now been set, and Nintendo will be the ones to lead us into the next generations just like how Sony did last generation. You have 2 options:

1. Hate the console and refuse to buy the quality titles the Wii offers and help doom the future of the videogame market OR
2. Purchase the quality titles and support the system with what direction you think the industry should go.

There is always 1 argument with this: "Why don't I just not support the Wii at all and that will show my dislike for the casual crap".

My answer: Ignoring the console will do nothing because the system has already won the console war. However, if you support it with what games you want to see in the future, you really can help pave the future of videogaming just like how Sony did last generation.

More hardcore gamers need to support the Wii if you don't want to see a future of 'shovelware'. The Wii is the king of Niche gaming. Early 2009 for the Wii is almost pure niche love and those who consider themselves hardcore should look into them and find which few titles they find interesting.

insanejedi

Oh okay, awesome. You're one of those, "I'm a gamer, so sales don't affect me" people, right? So on lonely nights do you still wonder why Okami isn't getting a sequel and how the Dreamcast failed? Oh, and do you play Halo, Call of Duty, or any major franchise? Guess what, you're playing SALES. Know why Nintendo is making another Mario? SALES. Know why Infinity Ward is making another Call of Duty? SALES. You play sales every day, my friend. Now that that's out of the way, I never said anything about me caring. I'm just smart enough to acknowledge Nintendo is the smartest company this gen and that's why they have won. They came in with a game plan, executed, and are now enjoying the results.AlexSays

I'm afraid Alex that you're overlooking the difference that is between "hardware" sales and "software" sales. One is important and key to a developers success in being stable and the other has no affect on you, as a gamer, whats-so-ever; however, there is that one exception. That exception is when a company is financially incapable of sustaining a viable console. So, of course, you could argue that Sega went under because of sales -- but such a one-sided view like that is horribly lacking a foundation. Sega's Dreamcast went under because of bad management -- how fast did Sega drop support for that console? Then you have the bad marketing attempt which derived from a limited marketing budget. And of course, you have to mention that the two of the biggest publishers didn't support it and the console before the Dreamcast was not successful at all, so you had a kind-of "bad taste" when you heard about a new console by Sega -- their entire financial success rested in Dreamcast, when you lay everything on the table like that... you're almost bound to failure. It was irresponsible. And not to mention Sony used ruthless business tactics to effectively kill the Dreamcast.

Okami sucked in the sales because no one knows what the **** it is. The only time people will see it is when they look in a game case and then go, "What's that? Who cares. Look! Mario Party, alright!" How do you expect to be successful with no advertising? You can't.All the big games which sell hugely is because of, the obvious, established brand name, and then you have the advertising. Microsoft spend 10 million on Halo 3, and they got in return 300 million in a frickin' week. Microsoft did some of the best damn advertising I've ever seen with Halo 3 and it became a huge success for them.

Call of Duty? Same thing, you have amazing marketing and an established brand name going for it. And because of this, the game goes out and sells big.

Again, it's really all about PR and marketing. Sony comes out and boldly proclaims that the PS2 can do "toy-story" level graphics, and gets going a hype machine and releases FFVIII on the same day as the Dreamcast -- and Sony tells game stores to move Dreamcast advertising to the back, or else they wouldn't be receiving any PS2 units-- and the game stores complied because they needed to fulfill their pre-orders.

With all that said. RIP Dreamcast, I own one and it leaps and bounds better than my PS2 at the time. Curse you misinformed gamers!

Wow the ps3 seems to have the best games...as I have always said... ps3 has more 70+ and 85+ games percent out of library, and the lowest amount of crap games...only 18 ps3 games got 40-, 360 falls in the middle and wii is the worst. world69star69

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I had to import the only game worth playing in the last 6 months (Tatsunoko vs. Capcom) for those of us who don't want Animal Crossing.AlexSays

I agree to some extent. I like my Wii, I just wish it had more serious games on it. Theres nothing wrong with having casual minigame type games, but only if it offers enough for serious gamers too. I've had mine for a while and I only have four games - SMG, Mario Kart, SSBB and Wii Sports. To me there aren't many other games out there worth owning and its not like Nintendo are incapable of making games. That being said I understand it takes time to develop a game so I'll wait until 2009 until I judge it further.

Edit: Forgot its already 2009....:P I'll wait til later this year then..

[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I had to import the only game worth playing in the last 6 months (Tatsunoko vs. Capcom) for those of us who don't want Animal Crossing.hakanakumono

Maybe he bought the system and expected to get more out of it? Thats a valid complaint. He may not be in love with the system, but there may be games he still likes for it.

I agree to some extent. I like my Wii, I just wish it had more serious games on it. Theres nothing wrong with having casual minigame type games, but only if it offers enough for serious gamers too. I've had mine for a while and I only have four games - SMG, Mario Kart, SSBB and Wii Sports. To me there aren't many other games out there worth owning and its not like Nintendo are incapable of making games. That being said I understand it takes time to develop a game so I'll wait until 2009 until I judge it further.Asim90

[QUOTE="world69star69"] Wow the ps3 seems to have the best games...as I have always said... ps3 has more 70+ and 85+ games percent out of library, and the lowest amount of crap games...only 18 ps3 games got 40-, 360 falls in the middle and wii is the worst. Stevo_the_gamer

yeah, cuz when i go out to buy a ps3 games, the things taht run through my mind are "damn this game mustve bin expensive to develop for, long time to develop for, and has such a small user base" :roll: What are you? a dev? or a gamer?

Regardless, majority of Wii games have flopped. The only half decent titles are only from first party. I wouldve expected a game like Disaster:Day of Crisis to get atleast an 8, but after playing it, i can see why the game wasnt all taht brilliant. Wiifit? Wii Music? what were ninty thinking? innovation? Sorry, but i rather wait for a decent ps3 game that takes time to develop for than wait for ninty to use us as ginnypigs and try something "new" with gaming, and ends up flopping hard.

Who can people only own a wii? it seriously boggles my mind how someone could intentionally miss out on practically a whole gen??

Yeah thats right, this generation is mainly on the PS3/360/PC. Many of the wii's 'quality titles' people keep going on about are ports. Games that were on the PS2 or GC, games i already have played on the original system. Games that gain little improvement from their predcessor.

How can someone know that they are missing out on those frankly amazing multiplats or duplats. Things like Fallout 3, Bioshock, Mass effect, HL2, L4D, The orange box and all related source engine games, Gears of War, CnC3 etc etc etc. i could list blockbusters and AAAs for hours!, what does the wii have that really can compete with that?

The OP satated "The Wii was never meant to compete with the 360/PS3" but the thing is it was and is, its beating them in the sales but when you look at any other factor the wii is indefenceable. The sheep here like to copare the sales but when you try to compare graphics/online/quality games they say "no no no, the wii is completely different"well it wasn't, the wii gets bashed so much here becuase when you do compare it to the 360/PS3/PC it gets hammered in every area but sales.

Wii hate has increased of late becuase of an even greater lack of games, anything over AA has been hard to come by on the wii this year. The casual focus of nintendo hasn't helped, only announcing things like a rehash of AnimalCrossing (check the reveiws, its a re-hash) and calling it hardcore and then things like "wii music" or "wii sports resort" then telling us "oh by the way, we fixed the wiimote. now pay us $60"

The wii gets hate for some justified reasons, we all know it has quailty games, its just when the 360 and PS3 can churn them out at such a rate t pales in insignificance

• Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360.
• You will never see the big named titles, like GTAIV, Fallout 3, Metal Gear whathaveyou, Half Life, etc on the console.
• The console is here for niche games

Haziqonfire

Holy mother of god what is going on around here

oh my.....Wii fans officially in back-pedal mode confirmed.

No one has to buy those, but I mean if someone is gonna make shovelware, it'll probably be for the Wii.EuroMafia

All I know is I got a Wii, traded in 360 for it for Mario Galaxy, dumbest choice ever, I also got a PC which I play most, Wii pretty much collects dust.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]Well a majority of the shovelware being sold is what people are buying 3rd party wise.Haziqonfire

The Wii is obviously doing much better (sales-wise) then either the 360 or PS3. People get jealous that a platform that they have no interest in is doing the best. That's all it is.bballm10

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]Well a majority of the shovelware being sold is what people are buying 3rd party wise.Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"][QUOTE="insanejedi"]Well a majority of the shovelware being sold is what people are buying 3rd party wise.SapSacPrime

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

• Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360.
• You will never see the big named titles, like GTAIV, Fallout 3, Metal Gear whathaveyou, Half Life, etc on the console.
• The console is here for niche games

MikeE21286

Holy mother of god what is going on around here

oh my.....Wii fans officially in back-pedal mode confirmed.

Awesome.

So you weren't here when Nintendo told everyone they weren't competing with anyone?

Not knowing what they're talking about - confirmed.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

• Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360.
• You will never see the big named titles, like GTAIV, Fallout 3, Metal Gear whathaveyou, Half Life, etc on the console.
• The console is here for niche games

AlexSays

Holy mother of god what is going on around here

oh my.....Wii fans officially in back-pedal mode confirmed.

Awesome.

So you weren't here when Nintendo told everyone they weren't competing with anyone?

Not knowing what they're talking about - confirmed.

So stop hanging on system wars and bringing up sales then.Rhubarb9

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

• Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360.
• You will never see the big named titles, like GTAIV, Fallout 3, Metal Gear whathaveyou, Half Life, etc on the console.
• The console is here for niche games

AlexSays

Holy mother of god what is going on around here

oh my.....Wii fans officially in back-pedal mode confirmed.

Awesome.

So you weren't here when Nintendo told everyone they weren't competing with anyone?

Not knowing what they're talking about - confirmed.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

• Now, lets remember one thing -- The Wii was never ment to be in direct competition with the PS3 or the 360.
• You will never see the big named titles, like GTAIV, Fallout 3, Metal Gear whathaveyou, Half Life, etc on the console.
• The console is here for niche games

AlexSays

Holy mother of god what is going on around here

oh my.....Wii fans officially in back-pedal mode confirmed.

Awesome.

So you weren't here when Nintendo told everyone they weren't competing with anyone?

Not knowing what they're talking about - confirmed.

Nintendo can say whatever they please but you'd be a fool to believe the Wii isn't in contention with the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. The_Game21x

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"] lol, oh no, I was there.....and then I was there immediately afterwards. :lol: And when I was there (whereas you obviously were not) and posted that exact quote in sales threads, the nintendo fanboys laughed and laughed and said "of course they are competing with Microsoft and Sony and they are crushing them".....now they have spun it into a defense of their own behalf based upon bleak circumstances I remembered now why this place is ridiculous and I haven't posted in quite awhile.AlexSays

The truth has been switched around from denial of it being fact by nintendo fanboys to complete acceptance of it, and use it as a main defense for a reason to not compare it to the ps3/360. That is what happened....the only one laughing is me.MikeE21286

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]The truth has been switched around from denial of it being fact by nintendo fanboys to complete acceptance of it, and use it as a main defense for a reason to not compare it to the ps3/360. That is what happened....the only one laughing is me.AlexSays

Yeah, I totally do......I just found that all the things I was saying and Nintendo fanboys were denying:

A. They are not competing with PS3/360
B. They are not ever gonna get the big games
C. It is a niche-games console (i.e. it's for casual-usage gamers for the most part)

were all said by me to them awhile back and now they are now being reiterated by the OP as a defense of sorts for the wii. And ALL those things were things that nintendo fanboys would never have admitted to say.....6 months ago or so, maybe longer. These are the things I bulleted in my initial post and the whole situation amuses me.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Nintendo can say whatever they please but you'd be a fool to believe the Wii isn't in contention with the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. AlexSays

Aimed? No. Nintedo seems to be the only company this generation that is focusing entirely on the casual market. While Microsoft and Sony are trying their best to get a piece of Nintendo's pie, they seem to understand a thing or two about balance.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Nintendo can say whatever they please but you'd be a fool to believe the Wii isn't in contention with the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. The_Game21x

Aimed? No. Nintedo seems to be the only company this generation that is focusing entirely on the casual market. While Microsoft and Sony are trying their best to get a piece of Nintendo's pie, they seem to understand a thing or two about balance.

Yeah, I totally do......I just found that all the things I was saying and Nintendo fanboys were denying:

A. They are not competing with PS3/360
B. They are not ever gonna get the big games
C. It is a niche-games console (i.e. it's for casual-usage gamers for the most part)

were all said by me to them awhile back and now they are now being reiterated by the OP as a defense of sorts for the wii. And ALL those things were things that nintendo fanboys would never have admitted to say.....6 months ago or so, maybe longer. These are the things I bulleted in my initial post and the whole situation amuses me.

MikeE21286

Oh then you were 100% right.

Those people were wrong and you should be laughing. lol

Aimed? No. Nintedo seems to be the only company this generation that is focusing entirely on the casual market. While Microsoft and Sony are trying their best to get a piece of Nintendo's pie, they seem to understand a thing or two about balance.The_Game21x

Yeah I think that's it.

Nintendo is 100% casual and has always been.

They've always gone after the every day person, not the every day gamer.

Microsoft and Sony are trying to appeal to both demographics.

I wouldn't say Wendy's is in direct competition with Dairy Queen because they both go after people who like ice cream.

One ONLY goes after people who like ice cream and the other goes for other people as well.

They've always gone after the every day person, not the every day gamer. AlexSays

Nintendo used to go after both quite evenly.Can't say the same thing now.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

They've always gone after the every day person, not the every day gamer. VGobbsesser

Nintendo used to go after both quite evenly.Can't say the same thing now.

Uh, you mean back when they packaged the NES with a toy robot?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="AlexSays"] So you'd argue the fact that all consoles are are aimed towards casuals? Haziqonfire

Aimed? No. Nintedo seems to be the only company this generation that is focusing entirely on the casual market. While Microsoft and Sony are trying their best to get a piece of Nintendo's pie, they seem to understand a thing or two about balance.

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]

They've always gone after the every day person, not the every day gamer. VGobbsesser

Nintendo used to go after both quite evenly.Can't say the same thing now.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="world69star69"] Wow the ps3 seems to have the best games...as I have always said... ps3 has more 70+ and 85+ games percent out of library, and the lowest amount of crap games...only 18 ps3 games got 40-, 360 falls in the middle and wii is the worst. Disturbed123

yeah, cuz when i go out to buy a ps3 games, the things taht run through my mind are "damn this game mustve bin expensive to develop for, long time to develop for, and has such a small user base" :roll: What are you? a dev? or a gamer?

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]yeah, cuz when i go out to buy a ps3 games, the things taht run through my mind are "damn this game mustve bin expensive to develop for, long time to develop for, and has such a small user base" :roll: What are you? a dev? or a gamer?

Stevo_the_gamer

No. No he did not...

With all that said. RIP Dreamcast, I own one and it leaps and bounds better than my PS2 at the time. Curse you misinformed gamers! Stevo_the_gamer

That was actually a good read.

I just wanted you to know that yes I did read that so you didn't think you typed up that whole thing for nothing. :P

[QUOTE="bballm10"]The Wii is obviously doing much better (sales-wise) then either the 360 or PS3. People get jealous that a platform that they have no interest in is doing the best. That's all it is.OhSnapitz

No, I meant people are jealous that a system like the Wii is doing the best when they feel their console has better games, features, etc.