The Xbox One Problem

Hm? This isn't new heights at all; it's all been done before, and to much worse levels. This site has tamed a lot compared to what it used to be like.

@cainetao11: @mems_1224: @sts106mat:

Hypocrites..hahahaa Now scores are not valid now you can't play score..

After a whole fu**ing generation throwing over cows face thos high Gears,halo,Forza scores,now score are not good because well all those franchises have drop from their throne.

In fact what do you have to call halo better over killzone if it wasn't for scores.? Or Forza over GT,in fact all theories of Forza being better than GT are based purely on score,GT has always have more cars more tracks more modes than Forza,hell GT6 put Forza 5 to shame on xbox one,having dynamic day and night and weather,while aiming for 60FPS at 1440x1080p,Forza 5 had to drops those as dynamic in order to achieve 1080p 60FPS,and Forza 6 still doesn't have it dynamic which is a total joke when the damn PS3 does it.

So how comes last gen when gears was getting great scores it was valid? How did score matter last gen and some show this one they don't,you 3 know all i have to do is go thread hunting and i am 1,000% sure i will find you all 3 salivating at a damn 360 game over its scoring and throwing it at a cows face.

Hell Mems consider Resistance trash while it scored here 86,something Halo 5 didn't get here.

You 3 are a joke and this generation is down right pathetic,score,specs,sales all the 3 things you use to throw the most at cows face some how this gen don't matter,hell sts106mat threw at cows face all gen long how the xbox 360 was more powerful in his eyes because it ran multiplatforms better,when the different was smaller last gen than this one.

Uhg pathetic at best..

So last gen when Gears got 90 high and Resistance got mid 80's scores were fu**ng valid.

Even that online Gears was a freaking mess,4 vs 4 on small maps,lags to hell and beyond,host advantage issues,bullet lag duck roll galore.

Meanwhile Resistance had 20 vs 20 matches on bigger stages and smooth as butter,gears of war got a freaking free pass because of its graphics,AI was dumb as shit in your squad,and would make you expose your self more than need it,crying for help,enemies would leave them self expose or take cover on small object but standing up leaving their complete back expose,few enemies at the same time,which by the way banish in front of your eyes and turn into a box of ammo.

It was plague by glitches and bugs like enemies getting stuck into structures,or getting stuck on holes in the grown.

Meanwhile Resistance has a great AI ( better than Halo) with enemies that would not only take cover,but that did know when you outnumber them or they out number you,some incredible weapons,interactive enemies,you could kill a chimera and it would not vanish in from of your eyes,in fact you could even shot their cooling houses and they would swing wildly into the air,you returned back a few minutes and the enemies would still be there dead giving the filling that something did happen there unlike gears which engine thanks to its graphics would not render more than a few enemies at once.

The only thing Resistance didn't have was extreme gore and great graphics,you could even read reviews were the lag was mention and many other problems to and still the site gave it a 10 not a 9 but a damn 10,while the review for Resistance was good but the score didn't reflect it.

A game like gears now would have suffer the same fate The order suffer.

Funny thing is last gen when many PS3 failed to met the hype,the same could be said many did think the game did met their hype,but sadly scores didn't and that is what lemmings used all freaking generation to claim xbox 360 games were better than PS3 ones,so downplaying scores now is a joke.

Be a man admit the xbox one has FAILED to deliver something great and move on,is sad that people here want to pretend desperately that score are not valid not,i can freaking go thread hunting and find those same posters throwing good xbox 360 scores over cows and downplaying PS3 games because of scores.

Hell uncharted drake fortunes isn't consider great here it never has being people talk as if 2 and 3 were good,when in reality it has 88% which almost a freaking 90%,but since it doesn't have 90+ like Gears 1,2,3 well it was consider bad which is a total joke because now Halo 5 is consider great with an 84 score and Quantum Break as well with 78..lol

I've been gaming for years, more like decades and I've never wished for a console to fail nor have I had friends that did. I never had a Genesis but never said I hope it goes out of business so the SNES ruled everything. Now of course internet wasn't that bad of a filter back then but nowadays it's reached heights I just can't understand. I wasn't as active in here back during the 360/PS3 days but this is just new heights of hatred for any console and for what reason?

I think this generation is off to a very slow start. I'm currently playing through Gamespot's 2014 GOTY Shadow of Mordor on my PC, and I have to say it's somewhat overwhelming. It's not bad enough that I want to stop playing it, but it's not better than Arkham Origins, either. The only reason I can think of to buy a PS4 or Xbox One at this point would be refusal to play on a PC. I bought an Xbox One (something is clearly wrong with me) and use it mostly as a media player. The Wii U is the only console right now I'd call a good purchase, only it's dying this year so maybe it's not.

Good post. PS4 is on tops of games critically speaking of course with industry leading review sites agreeing.

@charizard1605: So I had to look this up. You're right. Very weak lineup in terms of Xbox One exclusives. Interestingly, very weak lineup for the PS4 as well, per using metrics as a determining factor. Using only scores of 85 or higher and removing entries renamed that were really on other systems (i.e. Twilight Princess HD) here are the results:

WiiU

• Super Mario 3D World 93
• Super Smash Bros 92
• Mario Kart 8 88
• Mario Maker 88
• Pikmin 3 87
• Bayonetta 2 91

PS4

• Bloodborne 92
• MLB The Show '16 85
• Salt and Sanctuary 85

XB1

• Forza 6 87

That said, for me personally, there are more exclusive titles on the PS4 that interest me than on the XB1, yet I own an XB1 and not a PS4. So, for me anyway, there is more to owning a system than who has the best exclusives per metrics, otherwise WiiU wouldn't be spoken of as a "failure" on this forum every, single, day.

@itstotallymike: Yeah, Wii U seems only one trying. Forza is cool, but more of the same. And Bloodborne bout same too. I wouldnt purchse a PS4 for Bloodborne, nor would i purchase a Wii U for Bayonetta. I might would purchase an Xbox for Forza though. I would purchase a Wii U for Mario Kart.

So ps4 "gamers" i'd use the term loosely let's call them "metacritic gamers" very narrow minded and arrogant and whiny entitled bunch idiots that graced the internet

If you want to establish that as the baseline for god-knows-how-many tens of millions of gamers, then what does that make XBone gamers? Brand-loyal masochistic rubes that settle for mediocrity at every measurable corner of the realm of gaming settling for outsourced B-rate gaming as long as the title on the cover is familiar.

It's actually getting a lot better now. Just not for Xbox

What is greater than Bloodborn or The last of Us on XBO.?

By the way did you forgot that MLB has an online mode.? How about TLOU which is online as well.? Hell divers which is co-op.?

The xbox one doesn't have a single great exclusive and this is the damn point of the thread,go to metacritics not a single 90 or better game,and spare me the whole reviews don't count crap you lemmings used scores all last gen in fact the only thing you people have to downplay PS games are scores.

Until Dawn has a higher score than Quantum Fail..hahahaa see so what are you using to CLAIM Until dawn and the order flopped.? Oh wait it is scores..hahahahaa

See score do matter only when it serve you blind fanboys best,so yeah the PS4 has higher rated and more games than the xbox one,which only has racing and shooters and pretty much nothing else. 4 Forza games in 3 years, 2 Halo's,2 gears is just plain sad and is the reason most people are not supporting the platform with their money which is what speak.

Ok lets get something out of the way here,Halo 5,Forza 6,Halo MCC,and gears all flopped here,in fact last year,Halo,forza and gears all 3 flopped one after the other in a 3 month period from August to October all 3,Forza failed to chart,Gears charted one month and banish and Halo 5 didn't sold even close to Halo 3 on 2007 which released into a smaller user base. lol

And you know what is the saddest part about all your crying,is the fact that you think that people are crying for multiplatform games and co-op games on PS4,or that people would buy an xbox one for that,man even Halo sold like shit compare to other Halo games on 360,reality is MS abused its franchises so freaking much that it has hurt them and probably beyond repair,while would any one want a yearly forza really is the same sh** with a few more crap.

And while you are spewing like a blind fanboy all that nonsense,the PS4 keep smoking the xbox one sales wise,lest analyze March 2016 sales on amazon.

The PS 4 in spot 22 for march the xbox one spot 63, No Man Sky lmited edition which comes in freaking June is on spot 9 on amazon best selling for the complete month of march,even sony VR make it on the top 20 and it doesn't come out until October,MLB in the top 20 as well,Uncharted at 28,Ratchet at 38,No man sky normal edition at 51,Quantum Breat at spot 64...This is a joke how come this game is not even close to the top 20,is not like you are getting 10 games this month on xbox one,and is a low point March,let me guess only cows buy at amazon.?

Basically you people are not buying your own games..lol

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2016-03/videogames

Yeah lets pretend nothing is happening at all..hahahaa

Yeah and TLOU has 95%,and don't even hide on PS3,Tomb Raider,Quantum Break,Titanfall,MCC,Forza horizon,gears ultimate all those are on other platforms as well,and you still count them.

What you dislike is IRRELEVANT you don't represent 99% of the market,you are just a blind lemming who downplay the best on other platforms because the platform you love has nothing.

I dislike Forza should that mean something to lemmings.?

I have been wondering what all makes a console a success: first party exclusives, third party exclusives, multi-platform games, library size, game scores, games sales, console sales, online and other features/services, and innovative ways to play games (motion controls, touch screens, AR and VR), hardware specifications (power)? Seems like power and console sales are the most important?

I don't think Halo MCC and Halo 5 get enough credit. IMO the 2 best FPS on current gen consoles.

Maybe the problem is las gen series stagnation?

I mean, Halo 5, Forza 6/Horizen 2 and Gears remake, not to mention all last gen Halo in 1 box.

While on PS4, for now, it's only Killzone, LBP and Infamous, which are the weakest of the series./btw i love Infamous SS/

But the games that are new to the gen are more better looked at.

Bloodborne, Splatoon and Killer Instinct.

@iandizion713: Interestingly I did purchase a WiiU for exclusives as in:

• Captain Toad
• DK Country TF
• Kirby Rainbow Curse
• Mario Kart 8
• Mario Party 10
• New SMB/New Super Luigi
• Splatoon
• Mario 3D World
• Mario Maker
• Yoshis Wooly World
• Mario Tennis
• New Zelda
• Bayonetta 1/2
• Star Fox
• Xenoblade
• Fatal Frame

But I made my decision to buy a XB1 over PS4 for other reasons. Mainly my previous investment in their online community/digital downloads. That said, meta did not play a factor in my decision making at all. PS4 actually has more exclusives that interest me, but most of them are not 85+ on meta scoring. Clearly scoring exclusives isn't a big factor for most of us, otherwise WiiU would have sold a lot more systems. Funny how so much emphasis is put on exclusives on these forums when discussing the success of a system.

What I meant by, everyone was upset over the fact that Nintendo was founding Bayonetta 2 and Wii U at that time was still new with little to no games and no one was gonna go spend $300 just for that game when it was lacking games at the time and the first Bayonetta was multiplats. I agree that it should have done more but Nintendo just didn't hype it like it should have been.

I will say that last-gen wasn't that bad as it is NOW! Everyone is so obsess over Xbox One console and hardly anyone talks about the actual games these days so yeah, this gen isn't all about the games, just Xbox brand now.

Yeah that was my point, just today I've seen about 4 Xbox one is done, Xbox one is a failure blah blah blah threads already in here. Very few posts are about games anymore. There is an obsession with the X1 this gen that I've never seen for any other console. If you don't like it then you have every right not too but there is an obsession for it to fail that I've never seen before.

The Last of Us shouldn't be on the list under your criteria.

As long as you don't mind a story that was probably written in one of MSes Indian call centers.

Meh, it's all just opinion. I could come in this thread and say Wii U is the best system, because it has the most 90+ rated exclusive games on Metacritic, but some chump would come and disagree, because none of those games interest him. None of the high rated games on PS4 (or XBone) hold any interest to me. If anything, the lower rated games look more interesting.

@PurpleMan5000: Yup, you're right. My mistake. Revised.

Isn't Resogun on PC as well and how about Halo 5, it was 87 last I looked which was about a week after launch? Also Forza Horizon 2 on 360 can't compare to the X1 version, no way no how. Anyway, setting an arbitrary number like 85 seems worthless especially that we know meta is weighted in favor of one > the other. . Seems to me a game like Sunset Overdrive is a game to have this gen eh but what do I know. :P

I guess if you're looking for that one smash hit game, then perhaps the XB1 is lacking that. It's overall library of games though isn't as bad as cows here would lead you to believe.

While Sony has Bloodborne, that type of game isn't for everybody, and it's sales reflect that. Other than that one game though, the PS4 has an abundance of games that are mediocre at best, with a few good ones sprinkled in. By no means is it overflowing with good exclusives though.

If you step back and look at the bigger picture though, you'll realize that the XB1 has some quality console exclusives covering most of the popular genres.

Q. What's the best first person shooter exclusive this gen for consoles?

A. It could go to either Splatoon or Halo 5.

Q. What is the best third person shooter console exclusive this gen?

A. Gears of War would likely get plenty of votes for this question.

Q. As far as consoles go, what is the best Racing sim, and racing arcade games so far this gen?

A. Forza, Forza Horizon, and Driveclub.

Q. The survival genre has been a popular one over the last few years. Which console has the best survival game.

A. State of Decay, Ark Survival Evolved.

Q. What about space simulation games? Sure Star Citizen looks great, but that is only for pc. What do the consoles have to offer?

A. Elite Dangerous.

When you look at the big picture instead of focusing on meta scores, you'll see that the XB1 checks off more boxes than it's competition when it comes to offering quality titles across the most popular genres.

Yes, that was DLC I listed on Resogun. I've modified my OP. Halo 5 is an 84. While the Forza Horizon 2 version might be better in your opinion on X1, it's not a different game. Twilight Princess and Windwaker are better on WiiU IMO but I didn't add those. I agree with you on Sunset Overdrive, but I was following the OP reasoning not yours and mine. I'm not sure how 85 is a worthless number in terms of this discussion. I mean, I agree that using this method to determine anything is silly, but I'm just expanding on the OP post. 85 was actually generous considering the OP referred to Drake's Fortune (meta score 88) as a "shitty game." I'll change it if you want. What is a non-worthless score in your opinion?

@itstotallymike:

It's all good mah man, truth is we spend way too much time on this crap instead of playing games though I only do this when I'm at my office normally only a few hours a day, once outta here, I never look back. lol :P

I could not agree more. I have to say, I loved Until Dawn. It was a very short, linear, QTE game...but it was engrossing, looked amazing, and I just couldn't put my controller down.

This generation is the generation of multiplatform games. Practically none of the exclusives have lived up to the hype on EITHER console. It's really a shame Sony can't embrace PC the same way MS has. Xbone and PS4 exclusives to date are pretty pathetic overall. 3 years in, we should be seeing some killer games by now.

Ok. I'm a hypocrite. Feel better?

What do I have to call Halo better than KZ other than scores? I own every release of both series and enjoy Halo more. What more do I need?

Truth. I remember when the 360 got its first "must have" game: Gears of War. Xbox One still doesn't have that yet.

@sts106mat: Yeah dude, he really takes this stuff serious. He has no concept of entertainment being about what entertains the individual; might have kept a "lipstick list" of people that hurt his feelings last gen (Billy Madison reference) and has been counting the days for his revenge; might be of special needs due to his reliance and belief that things like metacritic definitely mean one game is factually, under God, better than another.

Numbers > Personal Experience

#facts

#dealwithit

#cowsknowall

At the point where people have accepted a shit sandwich wholesale, do they really expect anyone to go out of their way to convince them of what they refuse to accept? Enjoy your meals, lems. Hopefully, the next one is better, because god knows it won't matter to you if it is or isn't. It sucks more for the rest of us to watch, if I have to be 100% honest.

Nope, you're wrong. tormentos says what a person likes is IRRELEVANT. (Personally, I think that's what entertainment of any form is about)

I am fine with my PS4 purchase, even though it barely has any games, is loud, has no IR, doesn't allow me to connect additional HDD storage for game installs, maxes out at 2TB (with no games, haven't filled 2TB anyway), piece of shit ear dongle, paltry 8 person party chat, and shitty ass PSN+ free games quality dropping like flies. I am fine with THAT shit sandwich, so I will be fine with my Xbox shit sandwich.

Wow, that's shitty. Why am I gaming????

All I know is that Im enjoying the hell out of Quantum Break.

@cainetao11:

LOL he loves to tell people what they like is irrelevant. If you like the X1 then you don't represent 99% of the consumers or gamers out there like Playstation fans do represent 99% of gamers and fans LOL. Dude has no concept about people's likes and taste and with there preference being completely relevant to them.

That was a funny post. I like both consoles. I prefer the x1 because I prefer Halo to anything the PS offers me series wise; I liked what I saw was coming for the console and not my PS4 when I bought it first; only sports game I care about is NHL so **** the Show; yes there are co op and games with online MP parts to them like TLOU but really? Does anyone feel that TLOU won so many awards for its great MP? It was fun for a bit when it released on PS3 but yeah, no. Not going to strap in for that over Halo 5 Warzone.

You are missing some games on that list and don't say you don't count games on different platforms because Bayonetta is there which is on multiple platforms.

TLOU 95%

Journey 92%

Flower 91 %

The Talos Principle 88%

Towerfall 87%

Day of the tentacle 86%

Uncharted collection 86%

Olli Olli 2 86%...

There are more and i am not even going into the games that are on PC and PS4 and not on wii U or xbox one.

Microsoft's problem is their failure to position the Xbox in the minds of consumers as the best console to own.

It's the same failure as the PS3 last generation where you recall that even though the PS3 started getting games late in its life it still lost to the 360 each month while the 360 no longer even had to try.

That's currently what's going on. The PS4 doesn't have 40 million sales because of its piss poor lineup of exclusives. It simply didn't have a year and a half of bad news articles coming out every week after its reveal as the Xbox One had. People are buying the PS4 for the multiplatform games. It's a reversal from last generation.

The guy believes Metacritic scores are factual or that they represent 99% of gamers out there when all they represent is a weighted avg of some reviewers out there. That reality must go by that and should you like a game, say like Knack or Ryse which didn't score above 60 on Meta, than you just like bad games. He doesn't understand the real fact is all entertainment is subjective. He probably thinks Whatever wins Album or Best Picture of the year is the best that year.

You're right. I removed Bayonetta. And why wouldn't I say I'm not counting games on other platforms? The entire thread is about the impact of exclusives. And feel free to list all of the games on PS4 with a high meta score. That's what the thread is about. Not sure how relevant PC is. My assumption was the OP was referring to consoles, but for the sake of entertainment, I wouldn't mind seeing the list if you have time to make one.

@tormentos:

He's on about bayo 2 you plank. Must feel good to post last gen games to bolster the ps4 numbers

It is surprisingly better than what they perception of a 78/100 means (although I dated many a girl who at best were 7.8/10 and that shit was good if you get my drift.

People obsessed with review scores need to find another hobby.

I actually agree with this.

send them to my pad if you are done with them, if you get my drift ;)