To correct you, PS3 > Other Systems
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actually 'better' graphics is entirely subjective and everyone likes something different. if you really must know the game with the best graphics overall is SMG, it really has everything good going for it Crysis is the most realistic, doesn't mean its the best looking (graphics king always arguing over realism so it wins that by default) shadow_hosi
you do realise you just completely contradicted yourself dont you?
man fanboy arguments never make sense why do i keep coming back here?shadow_hosi
im really not sure
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Fallout 3 is another example,Face it sooner or later starcraft 2 will come to the 360 and ps3 one of these days.Simply PC gaming cant keep up with the big boys.
NinjaOmega
lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
Diablo is on consoles? I think not...
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
Fallout 3 is another example,Face it sooner or later starcraft 2 will come to the 360 and ps3 one of these days.Simply PC gaming cant keep up with the big boys.
NinjaOmega
lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
*clears throat* ok how about *takes a breath* Stalker, The total war series, Galactic civilization, Demigod, Grim fandango, Blood Bowl, Sid meire's pirates/railroad, Neverwinter Nights, Worldshift, Planescape Torment, Killing Floor, Zombie Panic, Zeno Clash, Hearts of Iron, Europa univeraslis, Knighst of Honor, Mount&Blade, Stronghold, Audiosurf, Black&White, Alpha Centauri, Red Orchestra, Day of Defeat, Cryostasis, Company of Heroes ......any...*breathe* real simulator....whew i cant go any longer, give me a minute to catch my breath and i canDiablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happenNinjaOmegaThere has been no official announcement of Diablo 3 on consoles. Besides, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it was, because Diablo 1 was on consoles. Then again, the combat difference between Diablo 1 and 3 are far too much for controllers to handle the twitch aspects.
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lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
psn8214
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
Diablo is on consoles? I think not...
actually diablo was on the psx[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
[QUOTE="washd123"]
lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
psn8214
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
Diablo is on consoles? I think not...
1 and 2 are but theyre abut as good as SC64
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
Fallout 3 is another example,Face it sooner or later starcraft 2 will come to the 360 and ps3 one of these days.Simply PC gaming cant keep up with the big boys.
NinjaOmega
lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
What is happening is almost the best titles from Capcom are being ported to PC with superb execution, cheaper price and brutal improves in graphics. Also, Starcraft II in consoles will never happen; playing rts with pad controller is a crime, and the only company interested in provide k+m support to consoles was Epic in PS3's UT III. Some journalist said about Halo Wars "starting a revolution in consoles rts in the same way as Halo did", but the game is always out from the Live top ten charts.
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[QUOTE="washd123"]
lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
Ondoval
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
What is happening is almost the best titles from Capcom are being ported to PC with superb execution, cheaper price and brutal improves in graphics. Also, Starcraft II in consoles will never happen; playing rts with pad controller is a crime, and the only company interested in provide k+m support to consoles was Epic in PS3's UT III. Some journalist said about Halo Wars "starting a revolution in consoles rts in the same way as Halo did", but the game is always out from the Live top ten charts.
Well, SF4 was a given since the arcade machine was a PC. Don't know about the other two, but perhaps that stemmed from the SF4 work. But what about the other companies? Why is Epic apparently doing more console work? Why has Crytek, famed for wanting to push the envelope, chosen to develop for consoles?[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]actually 'better' graphics is entirely subjective and everyone likes something different. if you really must know the game with the best graphics overall is SMG, it really has everything good going for it Crysis is the most realistic, doesn't mean its the best looking (graphics king always arguing over realism so it wins that by default) Macutchi
you do realise you just completely contradicted yourself dont you?
man fanboy arguments never make sense why do i keep coming back here?shadow_hosi
im really not sure
I find arguing with myself to be more challenging than arguing with others]Well, SF4 was a given since the arcade machine was a PC. Don't know about the other two, but perhaps that stemmed from the SF4 work. But what about the other companies? Why is Epic apparently doing more console work? Why has Crytek, famed for wanting to push the envelope, chosen to develop for consoles?HuusAskingBecause that is how the cycle of PC publishers has always been and probably will always be. They grow up as indie developers on the PC, make it big, and expand their market. Another indie developer comes in and fills their places, makes it big, and expands their market. So on and so forth. There are only a few companies left which are strictly PC. In the past, there were only a few companies which were strictly PC as well. This is just how it goes. Nothing new.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]]Well, SF4 was a given since the arcade machine was a PC. Don't know about the other two, but perhaps that stemmed from the SF4 work. But what about the other companies? Why is Epic apparently doing more console work? Why has Crytek, famed for wanting to push the envelope, chosen to develop for consoles?VandalvideoBecause that is how the cycle of PC publishers has always been and probably will always be. They grow up as indie developers on the PC, make it big, and expand their market. Another indie developer comes in and fills their places, makes it big, and expands their market. So on and so forth. There are only a few companies left which are strictly PC. In the past, there were only a few companies which were strictly PC as well. This is just how it goes. Nothing new. Don't forget vandal, they have the highest quality titles
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]]Well, SF4 was a given since the arcade machine was a PC. Don't know about the other two, but perhaps that stemmed from the SF4 work. But what about the other companies? Why is Epic apparently doing more console work? Why has Crytek, famed for wanting to push the envelope, chosen to develop for consoles?shadow_hosiBecause that is how the cycle of PC publishers has always been and probably will always be. They grow up as indie developers on the PC, make it big, and expand their market. Another indie developer comes in and fills their places, makes it big, and expands their market. So on and so forth. There are only a few companies left which are strictly PC. In the past, there were only a few companies which were strictly PC as well. This is just how it goes. Nothing new. Don't forget vandal, they have the highest quality titlesSo how come high-quality developers don't stay high-quality?
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5% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
Hanass
5% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
fix'tand 90% of console games are on PC /thread[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]
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90% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
NinjaOmega
also: not even close to 90% of PC games are on console.....do you even know 1% of the PC games?
Fallout 3 is another example,Face it sooner or later starcraft 2 will come to the 360 and ps3 one of these days.Simply PC gaming cant keep up with the big boys.
Man, that is almost sig worthy! :lol: Consoles have crappy 2005 hardware, and you call them "the big boys"? Fanboy drugs exist now? Has medicine gone this far? I thought that only goggles were possible, but now there are injections?
Well, SF4 was a given since the arcade machine was a PC. Don't know about the other two, but perhaps that stemmed from the SF4 work. But what about the other companies? Why is Epic apparently doing more console work? Why has Crytek, famed for wanting to push the envelope, chosen to develop for consoles?HuusAsking
epic - realized theyd actually have to do work to sell games on the pc and that they cant write off a crappy game base do nthe name alone. of course they blame piracy.
crytek - theyre still pushing the envelop on the pc, i love how people act like them going to the consoles is new, they announced it before crysis was even released. of course they also said the ip would remain exclusive
[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So how come high-quality developers don't stay high-quality?HuusAskingsimple: they start to focus on consolesSo the question becomes, "Why taint yourself like that? After all, what happened to 'If it ain't broke...'?" exactly look at epic, they were a great PC dev...then came GeOW.... *sigh*
So the question becomes, "Why taint yourself like that? After all, what happened to 'If it ain't broke...'?"HuusAskingMoney of course. Console gamers are generally more open to buying whatever comes out, even if it is devoid of any true depth.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So the question becomes, "Why taint yourself like that? After all, what happened to 'If it ain't broke...'?"VandalvideoMoney of course. Console gamers are generally more open to buying whatever comes out, even if it is devoid of any true depth.:roll: Yeah, we can't hope for a game as deep and complex as the latest Sims expansion.... Please. You'll find gamers with discerning taste, or a near-gleeful lack thereof, on either side of the aisle.
:roll: Yeah, we can't hope for a game as deep and complex as the latest Sims expansion.... Please. You'll find gamers with discerning taste, or a near-gleeful lack thereof, on either side of the aisle.lowe0The absence of currently deep games does not speak to PC gamers having a lack of interest in deeper games. I'm also speaking more generally. It would be hard for you to prove that the Sims audience is representative of the entire PC gaming audience. Generally speaking, there is a reason why generally shallow games are still able to sell well on the consoles. Generally speaking, PC gamers are not willing to buy games if it offends their slightest sensibilities. Console gamers are less concerned with these sensabilities and will buy stuff like 50 Cent Bulletproof because 50 Cent is on the cover.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So the question becomes, "Why taint yourself like that? After all, what happened to 'If it ain't broke...'?"lowe0Money of course. Console gamers are generally more open to buying whatever comes out, even if it is devoid of any true depth.:roll: Yeah, we can't hope for a game as deep and complex as the latest Sims expansion.... Please. You'll find gamers with discerning taste, or a near-gleeful lack thereof, on either side of the aisle. Sure gamers with discerning taste there are on both sides but can you find me a game as deep as sins of solar empire or the pc version of galactic civilizations on either console?
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So the question becomes, "Why taint yourself like that? After all, what happened to 'If it ain't broke...'?"lowe0Money of course. Console gamers are generally more open to buying whatever comes out, even if it is devoid of any true depth.:roll: Yeah, we can't hope for a game as deep and complex as the latest Sims expansion.... Please. You'll find gamers with discerning taste, or a near-gleeful lack thereof, on either side of the aisle. and what is wrong with the sims exactly?
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lol yeah the day SCII comes to the consoles is the day george dubs is put on trial and executed for war crimes.
i actually have a bet with someone at GT about this.
and big boys? thats why pc gaming brings in more money every year right? thats why more and more developers are moving to the pc and supporting it as a main platform?
shadow_hosi
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
*clears throat* ok how about *takes a breath* Stalker, The total war series, Galactic civilization, Demigod, Grim fandango, Blood Bowl, Sid meire's pirates/railroad, Neverwinter Nights, Worldshift, Planescape Torment, Killing Floor, Zombie Panic, Zeno Clash, Hearts of Iron, Europa univeraslis, Knighst of Honor, Mount&Blade, Stronghold, Audiosurf, Black&White, Alpha Centauri, Red Orchestra, Day of Defeat, Cryostasis, Company of Heroes ......any...*breathe* real simulator....whew i cant go any longer, give me a minute to catch my breath and i canYea never heard of those games. Only Stalker and Demigod..
*clears throat* ok how about *takes a breath* Stalker, The total war series, Galactic civilization, Demigod, Grim fandango, Blood Bowl, Sid meire's pirates/railroad, Neverwinter Nights, Worldshift, Planescape Torment, Killing Floor, Zombie Panic, Zeno Clash, Hearts of Iron, Europa univeraslis, Knighst of Honor, Mount&Blade, Stronghold, Audiosurf, Black&White, Alpha Centauri, Red Orchestra, Day of Defeat, Cryostasis, Company of Heroes ......any...*breathe* real simulator....whew i cant go any longer, give me a minute to catch my breath and i can[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
Diablo,Fallout 3 and Crysis 2 is on consoles now hey anything can happen
Guitar_Zed
Yea never heard of those games. Only Stalker and Demigod..
too bad for you they are all amazing[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="lowe0"]:roll: Yeah, we can't hope for a game as deep and complex as the latest Sims expansion.... Please. You'll find gamers with discerning taste, or a near-gleeful lack thereof, on either side of the aisle.shadow_hosiSure gamers with discerning taste there are on both sides but can you find me a game as deep as sins of solar empire or the pc version of galactic civilizations on either console? PC version? isnt that the ONLY version? Ahh yes you are correct. I confused it with civilizations revolution
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90% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
Hanass
90% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
90% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
Guitar_Zed
90% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
I have a friend who plays MGS3 from the disc on his PC.[QUOTE="Hanass"]
[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
90% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
Guitar_Zed
90% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
I believe you mean you couldn't care less because saying you could care less means that you in fact care[QUOTE="Guitar_Zed"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"] *clears throat* ok how about *takes a breath* Stalker, The total war series, Galactic civilization, Demigod, Grim fandango, Blood Bowl, Sid meire's pirates/railroad, Neverwinter Nights, Worldshift, Planescape Torment, Killing Floor, Zombie Panic, Zeno Clash, Hearts of Iron, Europa univeraslis, Knighst of Honor, Mount&Blade, Stronghold, Audiosurf, Black&White, Alpha Centauri, Red Orchestra, Day of Defeat, Cryostasis, Company of Heroes ......any...*breathe* real simulator....whew i cant go any longer, give me a minute to catch my breath and i canshadow_hosi
Yea never heard of those games. Only Stalker and Demigod..
too bad for you they are all amazingDemigod = 6.5 XD
But hey if oyu enjoy it thats cool with me. I like Halo wars and that got a 6
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
90% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
Guitar_Zed
90% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
It will be better on consoles as in higher resolution and the choice to select if you want KB+M or gamepad? Because i thought just like in almost every multiplatform case the pc version its better[QUOTE="Guitar_Zed"][QUOTE="Hanass"]
90% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
adamosmaki
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
It will be better on consoles as in higher resolution and the choice to select if you want KB+M or gamepad? Because i thought just like in almost every multiplatform case the pc version its betterHow is it "better" on PC?
Graphics dont matter to me. Hell, i play alot of old games with terrible graphics.
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega"]
90% of PC games can be found on consoles now for example crysis
Guitar_Zed
90% of PC games have a dumbed down console version now for example Crysis 2.
90% of console games can be found on PC now for example MGS Rising.
See wut i did thar?
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
So crappy graphics = the better game? Even if you don't care about graphics, there is no way someone who's not a half-assed mongoloid could come to that conclusion.
So tell me, what makes the console version better? And whatever that is, it's gotta outweigh free online, much better graphics and mods to make it better.
It will be better on consoles as in higher resolution and the choice to select if you want KB+M or gamepad? Because i thought just like in almost every multiplatform case the pc version its better[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="Guitar_Zed"]
I could care less about Crysis. I bet any consolite doesnt care.
Yep MGS Rising. Too bad It'll be better on consoles. MGS3 is better and is not on PC.
Guitar_Zed
How is it "better" on PC?
Graphics dont matter to me. Hell, i play alot of old games with terrible graphics.
We dont know where it will be better yet as is not out but most likely with almost every multiplat case it will have better graphics on pc ( higher res, AA ) which already makes it better even though it doesn't matter to you ( sure graphics arent as important as gameplay but if i have the choise why not choose the better looking version) Another point which most likely pc will improve over consoles and is more important is the fps count 30fps vs 60fps i would take the 60fps Finally you get to choose the controller you want on pcIf you're a single-player gamer who isn't interested in mods, and you play on a HDTV (where taking advantage of resolutions >720p requires you to sit ridiculously close, even on a 56" TV), then free online, mods, and "much" (debatable) better graphics aren't exactly a compelling value proposition. Then again, I'm mainly a PS3 gamer, so technically, online for most of my games is free. I do keep a Live Gold account, because occasionally some friends from back home (who I don't get to see as often as I'd like) want to play Halo 3.So tell me, what makes the console version better? And whatever that is, it's gotta outweigh free online, much better graphics and mods to make it better.
Hanass
*clears throat* ok how about *takes a breath* Stalker, The total war series, Galactic civilization, Demigod, Grim fandango, Blood Bowl, Sid meire's pirates/railroad, Neverwinter Nights, Worldshift, Planescape Torment, Killing Floor, Zombie Panic, Zeno Clash, Hearts of Iron, Europa univeraslis, Knighst of Honor, Mount&Blade, Stronghold, Audiosurf, Black&White, Alpha Centauri, Red Orchestra, Day of Defeat, Cryostasis, Company of Heroes ......any...*breathe* real simulator....whew i cant go any longer, give me a minute to catch my breath and i canshadow_hosi
Yea never heard of those games. Only Stalker and Demigod..
too bad for you they are all amazing Theres a ton of crap on that list, alot of which scored badly here and all around the general press. Thats ok though.]I find it amusing that these casual PC gamers don't represent the PC gaming audience, but when it's time for another "PCGA says PC gaming is the most popular platform!" thread, all of a sudden I see these casuals numbered among the fold, arms locked in solidarity. Funny, that.lowe0I didn't say that casual PC gamers don't represent the PC gaming audience, I said you'd be hard pressed to prove they do. Merely being the most popular platform doesn't mean that the majority of PC gamers are casual. There are something like 200 million PC gamers worldwide, of which only a few million buy sims. Hardly a majority.
So because the PC has more "highly rated" games than consoles is evidence for them being "better?" Using someones opinion for objective evidence isn't proper evidence. Evidence is something that is irrefutable by your opposition; Someone can simply disagree with these reviews and they will be well within reason to do so. Opinion>Objective>Opinion, not fact. But OK, this is System Wars, a place void of logic and reason. I bet if all these superfluous "rules" were thrown out that most people would just leave SW. You can assume that not every AAA/AA game is for everyone thats fine, but when the PC has more than all 3 consoles combined, let alone one, isn't it fair to assume that its library is pretty impressive? The fact consolites need to combine 3 consoles vs the PC says it all. Please present your case as to why any one console has a better library than the PC.[QUOTE="Vadamee"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Facts speak for themselves. Preferences we can disagree on.blue_hazy_basic
EDIT of course the reviews do not take into account the much higher standards applied to PC games, so you're right they are harsh on the PC. Remember the fuss when Halo Wars was scored compared to PC RTS's, my the fuss!
lol For someone to deny that the PC is impressive is just a blistering fanboybut consoles hav better games
I think you need to look at this. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0 PS3 has 2 AAAA games. PC has none according to that. Therefore the argument that PC games > Console games is invalid. over 20 AAA's>>>>>> 2AAAA[QUOTE="lowe0"]]I find it amusing that these casual PC gamers don't represent the PC gaming audience, but when it's time for another "PCGA says PC gaming is the most popular platform!" thread, all of a sudden I see these casuals numbered among the fold, arms locked in solidarity. Funny, that.VandalvideoI didn't say that casual PC gamers don't represent the PC gaming audience, I said you'd be hard pressed to prove they do. Merely being the most popular platform doesn't mean that the majority of PC gamers are casual. There are something like 200 million PC gamers worldwide, of which only a few million buy sims. Hardly a majority.And out of the 138 million PS2s sold, only about 1.59 million people bought 50 Cent's game. So, while I have no idea how many people will buy a game because 50 Cent is on the cover, we can establish an upper bound of 1.59/138. That's a whopping 1.152%. In your own words: hardly a majority.
Edit: including the 50 Cent comment, for context:
Generally speaking, there is a reason why generally shallow games are still able to sell well on the consoles. Generally speaking, PC gamers are not willing to buy games if it offends their slightest sensibilities. Console gamers are less concerned with these sensabilities and will buy stuff like 50 Cent Bulletproof because 50 Cent is on the cover.Vandalvideo
And out of the 138 million PS2s sold, only about 1.59 million people bought 50 Cent's game. So, while I have no idea how many people will buy a game because 50 Cent is on the cover, we can establish an upper bound of 1.59/138. That's a whopping 1.152%. In your own words: hardly a majority.lowe0You fail to recognize that I didn't say that it was a majority of console gamers who were willing to buy such games. I said that, generally speaking, console gamers were more willing to buy games which are generally shallower than those of PC games. 50 Cent, as it is greatly more shallow than that of Sims, is an example of a game which would otherwise not have reached the same type of install base on the PC. Had 50 Cent been released on the PC, it would most assuredly not have been able to see the 2 million it would have needed in order to constitute 1% of the market place. I merely said console gamers are more prone to accepting these kinds of things.
[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="Guitar_Zed"]too bad for you they are all amazing Theres a ton of crap on that list, alot of which scored badly here and all around the general press. Thats ok though. not really, every one of those games is a great gameYea never heard of those games. Only Stalker and Demigod..
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