Valve Shuts out Ps3 too complicated

[QUOTE="After_Math"]

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?-Pred-Alien-

QUOTE: The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform. [...] I didn't come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun.

Their just saying they just wanna make game expierences. Why should they invest tons of money and learn the PS3 architecture because of Sony's design moves?

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Generalmojo

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Generalmojo

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Jared2720"] [QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

Dead-Memories

anyway some1 needs to take these guys down the Sony Santa Monica studios to show them what real devs are 8)

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?After_Math

QUOTE: The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform. [...] I didn't come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun.

Their just saying they just wanna make game expierences. Why should they invest tons of money and learn the PS3 architecture because of Sony's design moves?

For the reason they said, because they want to give people experiences that make them have fun.

I could care less really.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Generalmojo

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

AAllxxjjnn

anyway some1 needs to take these guys down the Sony Santa Monica studios to show them what real devs are 8)

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

Generalmojo

anyway some1 needs to take these guys down the Sony Santa Monica studios to show them what real devs are 8)

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Verge_6

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] Yeah becuase ND created HL, HL2, Portal, TF2 and L4D all of which have recived numerous GOTY awards, especially HL2 and HL which is rearged by some as the greatest game of this decade and HL of the last. Oh wait, they didn't. That was Valve. Valve also created CSS and CS, still 2 of the most popular competative shooters. I think if anyone should be teaching it should be VALVE.

Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?-Pred-Alien-

Another lazy Devs just admit it Fanboys Kojima didnt say its complicated, none of Capcom devs said its complicated , Sony 1st party are making the best games on PS3 this generation without saying its complicated , Sega didnt say its complicated and the list is very long so its obvious they are just too lazy.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Well, all the PS3 guys have high end PCs so this really isn't a problem.shaggygrosser

They have a legit complaint. They simply dont want to put in the extra effort and time.

I still think that their excuse is weak since many devs manage the PS3, but it's still a legit excuse. They can do whatever they like, Sony's fault for making their PS3 complex

All the people griping in here might as well just state that they really have no knowledge of Valve themselves. Their dev team is small, does not recieve nearly as much funding as many 1st party devs do. They do not have the resources, and certainly not the time, to make a different version of every game they have for a console with hardware that they are not comfortable with in terms of the 360 and PC. It is that simple. Maybe if they were a massive game-designing powerhouse like Naughty Dog and received millions from their parent company, you could complain. But if you had any grip on the actual situation of Valve, you'd understand.Verge_6

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Jared2720

It's official Valve just doesnt have the resources, knowledge or money it takes to be a true developer.

whitetiger3521

How many amazing games has Sony Santa Monica produced? Two, God of War I, and God of War II. Kinetica wasn't really that great. Warhawk was by Insomniac. Lets look at Valve Half Life, Half Life 2, Half Life Episode 1, Half Life Episode 2, Portal, Counter-Strike, Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress 2, Day of Defeat, etc.After_Math

Another lazy Devs just admit it Fanboys Kojima didnt say its complicated, none of Capcom devs said its complicated , Sony 1st party are making the best games on PS3 this generation without saying its complicated , Sega didnt say its complicated and the list is very long so its obvious they are just too lazy.

Kashiwaba

Awesome, Valve don't expect my money to grace your wallets anytime soon.

Valve has always hated the PS3. They got some stick up their ass when it comes to learning different processors.

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?hy4k

Well, all the PS3 guys have high end PCs, so this really isn't a problem.

AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

It's official Valve just doesnt have the resources, knowledge or money it takes to be a true developer.

rolo107

Ya thats right.. Because a true developer can make a game for ANY console

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Jared2720

Valve has always hated the PS3. They got some stick up their ass when it comes to learning different processors.

Wasdie

How is it lazy when they don't want to develope it? They are possibly losing profits form this.. Thats not laziness.. Thats a business decision.sSubZerOo

Another lazy Devs just admit it Fanboys Kojima didnt say its complicated, none of Capcom devs said its complicated , Sony 1st party are making the best games on PS3 this generation without saying its complicated , Sega didnt say its complicated and the list is very long so its obvious they are just too lazy.

Kashiwaba

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]

[QUOTE="After_Math"]

QUOTE: The PC and the 360 are just more straightforward. We can focus on what we want to do, which is make game experiences, instead of sweating bullets over obscure architectural decisions they make with their platform. [...] I didn't come into this business in the 90s because of some technical fetish. I came in because I wanted to give people experiences that made them have fun.

Their just saying they just wanna make game expierences. Why should they invest tons of money and learn the PS3 architecture because of Sony's design moves?

3picuri3

Valve can do w/e they want. They want to make good games and coding on the PC/Xbox 360 is the best way for them to do so. I just didn't like when Gabe bashed the PS3 calling it a complete failure and then you see games like Uncharted 2 utilizing w/e power the PS3 has.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]How is it lazy when they don't want to develope it? They are possibly losing profits form this.. Thats not laziness.. Thats a business decision.Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Another lazy Devs just admit it Fanboys Kojima didnt say its complicated, none of Capcom devs said its complicated , Sony 1st party are making the best games on PS3 this generation without saying its complicated , Sega didnt say its complicated and the list is very long so its obvious they are just too lazy.

Dead-Memories

Capcom , Konami , Sega, Namco , EA games and rockstat do they spend 4+ years with internal funding too admit it lazy ass devs.

[QUOTE="rolo107"][QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

It's official Valve just doesnt have the resources, knowledge or money it takes to be a true developer.

whitetiger3521

Ya thats right.. Because a true developer can make a game for ANY console

wow this thread is on fire ps3 owners really want L4D that bad? its on pc you know

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]They are a small dev (in terms of people working on products) so its understandable, but theres no reason as to why they cant support the PS3 given the money they make

-Pred-Alien-

It's official Valve just doesnt have the resources, knowledge or money it takes to be a true developer.

whitetiger3521

You're so right! Who cares that they've made what many PC gamers consider to be the best games ever, who cares that they redefined the FPS genre.

They're obviously not a true developer for not wanting to develop on the god-like machine that is the PS3.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Valve has always hated the PS3. They got some stick up their ass when it comes to learning different processors.

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Another lazy Devs just admit it Fanboys Kojima didnt say its complicated, none of Capcom devs said its complicated , Sony 1st party are making the best games on PS3 this generation without saying its complicated , Sega didnt say its complicated and the list is very long so its obvious they are just too lazy.

3picuri3

I love Valve. They're an excellent company with many quality games an calling them "lazy" is way off base. I'm a little surprised that they won't give the PS3 another try, but they do have a long history of working with Microsoft operating systems, and many of their console efforts have met with great success thanks to it being an easier platform to work with, as well as the quality of the Live!service.

You can bet they're also following the money. If the PS3 was in second or first place in the console wars, they miht be singing a different tune. But as it is they just don't want to mess with a more difficult architecture, smaller install base, and an online service that is still "up and coming." Don't get me wrong, I like PSN, but it still isn't nearly as efficient as Live or PC online.

Well, all the PS3 guys have high end PCs, so this really isn't a problem.

AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

Another lazy Devs just admit it Fanboys Kojima didnt say its complicated, none of Capcom devs said its complicated , Sony 1st party are making the best games on PS3 this generation without saying its complicated , Sega didnt say its complicated and the list is very long so its obvious they are just too lazy.

mD-

i'm not saying the PS3 is crap, it's actually very very similar to the 360 in terms of what it can do - i'm just trying to explain why the lazy dev comment is nonsense. you have to weight the costs against the rewards - and the extra effort just doesn't make sense for some developers.

what makes more sense? valve dedicating a small team to learning the PS3 in & out, taking them away from other projects - or taking a pass to send a signal to Sony? if I was in Gabe's position i'd absolutely outsource the work instead of taking my staff away. Sony wanted to be different this gen, now they're learning the cost of doing so with less 3rd party support,

*looks at replies* :lol: im speechless honestly and a bit sad......people are actually comparing sony`s developers to valve`s caliber? only in SW Dante2710

That's not true at all, have you ever stopped to think that developing for Sony truly is hard work? It's not that they CAN'T do it, it's that they Haven't done it and they dont want to waste their time trying.Alpha-Male22

Ya they dont want to make a crappy game and make themselves look bad :lol: They dont got the skillz to make a PS3 game or they would be developing a badass game right now for it. But instead they wanna be little cry babies and say it's too complicated.