Valve Shuts out Ps3 too complicated

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#151 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Valve games are meant to played on PC anyways.

The 360 versions of their games are usually gimped and get no support like TF2.

3picuri3

if you follow dev diaries they're actually saving the TF2 360 update until all ****s are updated due to the certification nightmares with the xbox. so they definitely do plan to update it, just not until they're done with the PC version.

- I'm REALLY REALLY craving those updates :evil: :cry:. I bought Orange Box on 360 AND PC. But my PC doesn't run it smoothly at all :(.


- Right now I only play CS 1.6 and KZ2 until I can pay for my new parts. I play TF2 on 360 every now and then, but it pains my soul just knowing the updates are available on PC :cry:!

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#153 clembo1990
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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="MJPK"]

Unlucky :(.Companys like to rip off the EU for some reason.

MJPK

UK is not to bad, £40 is standard for games be pre-owned has been a god-send price wise, I recently picked up both PoP and Mirrors edge together for £30.

The UK isn't bad but I live in the Republic of Ireland.Games were €70-€75 a few years ago but they have went down in price.I get alot of my games sent out from England(play.com,amazon etc) as it works out cheaper.

Doesn't play.com use Euros for Ireland?
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#154 bingbaocao
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[QUOTE="bingbaocao"][QUOTE="standarddamage"]Not really true. Especially in the case of EA, Namco, and Capcomstandarddamage

What about the fact that pretty much every capcom multiplat requires you to install the game on your PS3? (and there's also lost planet)

I wasn't referring to installs, I'm referring to how the game looks, feels, and plays. If the games are on par with each other, we can hardly call them "inferior."

And even 360 games play better when they're installed to the Hard Drive. I was really happy when they included that feature with the "New Xbox Live Ewxperience."

well yeah, the games are the same, but it's likely that it's due to mandatory installs
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#155 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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I dunno why cows are getting upset, don't they all having l33t gaming PC's? Besides I'm pretty sure they don't believe in the existance of PC/360 games. All they are "fluff games". (thanks for that Javy :lol: )

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#156 BoloTheGreat
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To expand on this, i prefer the look valve have gone for using this method. There is less of a camera and more of an eye adaptation feel to the HRD and the Bloom. Also Hl2 EP2 and HL2 in the orange box both use fully dynamic shadows systemswhich is actually pretty freaking impressive.

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#157 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="darkmagician06"]lol are you serious?suckskfkdfkkfdg
he obviously doesn't even understand how source can use floating point HDR and real HDR solutions - if he'd done his homework he'd know they used a compromise / combination solution to make the effect available to the largest group of people. he also fails the mention that riddick and doom didn't allow for HDR in combination with FSAA/AF, which imho is far more important. lighting means **** to me if everything is jaggy as hell.

Dude it's obvious you dont know what per pixel dynamic lighting is and high dynamic range lighting is they are 2 different things i feel like calling you a idiot. because you are and it's obvious you've done no home work acting like u know what ur talking about SOURCE ENGINE USES STATIC LIGHTMAPS IT'S NOT PER PIXEL LIGHTING DYNAMIC SHADOWS LIKE DOOM3 OR PER VERTEX DYNAMIC SHADOWS LIKE THE CHRONICLES OF RIDDICKK it's a fake source engine's lighting sucks compared to riddick or doom3's. source engine has same lighting as quake 3 lightmaps except they threw in HDR which is a bloom effect basically makes sun look intense and if you face opposite direction of the sun the sun will be giving off a glow on the objects sun's casting on.

another new account to back up your staggering knowledge? ok then...

souce engine is capable of HDR if you did your homework. they can actually do 4 different types of dynamic lighting, again - if you'd done your reading.

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#158 AnnoyedDragon
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It never ceases to amaze me the extent PS3 users go to in order to blame everyone and everything other than their platform for PS3 development difficulties.

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#160 BoloTheGreat
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Static Lighting :P

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#161 3picuri3
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Static Lighting :P

BoloTheGreat

it's ridiculous how people can be so convinced that they know what something is, even in the face of blatant evidence and readily accessible information to the contrary. makes me smile :)

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#162 BoloTheGreat
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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

Static Lighting :P

3picuri3

it's ridiculous how people can be so convinced that they know what something is, even in the face of blatant evidence and readily accessible information to the contrary. makes me smile :)

Quake 3 level particle FX :P

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#163 standarddamage
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well yeah, the games are the same, but it's likely that it's due to mandatory installsbingbaocao

Then there's no real argument then. :D

Seriously, Bing, installs are a good thing most of time. They save a lot of strain on the disc drive, prevent burn rings, etc. Whether or not there's a mandatory install is pretty irrelevent.

Installs don't change the picture, what changes the picture is when there's gameplay and visual issues. Fallout 3 was an excellent example. The PS3 version wasn't a total wreck, but I was amazed that there were so many bugs as compared to the 360 version.

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#164 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

Static Lighting :P

BoloTheGreat

it's ridiculous how people can be so convinced that they know what something is, even in the face of blatant evidence and readily accessible information to the contrary. makes me smile :)

Quake 3 level particle FX :P

enough of your magic and photoshopz! izn't possibull! :P
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#165 BoloTheGreat
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

Static Lighting :P

BoloTheGreat

it's ridiculous how people can be so convinced that they know what something is, even in the face of blatant evidence and readily accessible information to the contrary. makes me smile :)

Quake 3 level particle FX :P

More static lighting :P

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#166 DontBeHatin1983
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Valve must be stupid or talent has no at all its their job its like a Doctor saying its to complicated iam not going to surgery

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#167 theSADmafioso
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Hmm, why is everyone so upset. Valve can choose to run it's business however they want, with that said I think it's a bit retarded not to support the PS3 with ports like they did with the Orange Box. I mean 20 million PS3s on the market and sourcing out ports should be easy money. :|

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#168 Verge_6
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sourcing out ports should be easy money. :|theSADmafioso
Except it ain't easy money. At all. Most of the time you have to create a whole new farking team to work on the other version, which takes away vital resources from the other team (doubly so for the sparingly-staffed Valve). Then there's the time and money spent on research so the other variant can utilize the other console's hardware in the most efficient manner.
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#170 Supa__Mario
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other developers laugh at valve.......for their rehashing the same code over and over again......
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#171 Dead-Memories
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I dunno why cows are getting upset, don't they all having l33t gaming PC's? Besides I'm pretty sure they don't believe in the existance of PC/360 games. All they are "fluff games". (thanks for that Javy :lol:)blue_hazy_basic
Yeah with the purchase of a PS3, Sony sends you a thousand-dollar worth gaming PC to play all of the 360 titles on, get with the program?
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#172 TREAL_Since
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Hmm, why is everyone so upset. Valve can choose to run it's business however they want, with that said I think it's a bit retarded not to support the PS3 with ports like they did with the Orange Box. I mean 20 million PS3s on the market and sourcing out ports should be easy money. :|

theSADmafioso
EA ported the Orange Box not Valve. And I agree they should port more games. Either that or PS3 owners buy a 360 or upgrade their PC. Valve games are timeless. I urge everyone to at least try them.
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#173 Legend-Gamer
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Well, all the PS3 guys have high end PCs, so this really isn't a problem.

AAllxxjjnn
i see what you did there:P
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#174 johnlennon28
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they're not lazy, they just wanna get easy money, oh wait..... since they can just easily copy paste from pc to 360, its pretty much developing for one but selling for two, nyway, I dont really care as I never play any of their games
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#175 bingbaocao
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other developers laugh at valve.......for their rehashing the same code over and over again......Supa__Mario
and then they remember that their games aren't as popular or praised by the critics as Valve's

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#176 theSADmafioso
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[QUOTE="theSADmafioso"] sourcing out ports should be easy money. :|Verge_6
Except it ain't easy money. At all.

I'm not a developer so I don't know and I don't really care, like I said Valve can run it's business however they choose. The beauty of muli-system owners like me is that I get to enjoy the games on whatever platform I choose. =)

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#177 AnnoyedDragon
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Are PS3 users really so insecure they must attack anyone who points out their platform is a **** to develop for?

I remember back when Joan Carmack said the PS3 was twice as hard to develop for to get the same result as 360. PS3 users said he was too incompetent to code on PS3, John Carmack they said that about!

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#178 Majordutch201
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Does all this really matter, In actuality I"m glad that PS3 is shut out, Valve only has to focus on PC then porting to 360 which means they can focus all their resources into the game. If the game is really that great and worth playing get a gaming rig or a 360. Hell Half Life 2 is the reason why I upgraded my pc a few years back, to say Valve is lazy is just crazy, and for people saying that the PS3 is a PoS is just as crazy, just because a developer chooses not to develop for it? Both Consoles have great titles, but valve favoring one over the other doesn't really prove itsa PoS all it shows is that Valve is dedicated to their craft and rather than dividing resources, would rather focus on one and in order to put out a better product.

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#179 theSADmafioso
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[QUOTE="theSADmafioso"]

Hmm, why is everyone so upset. Valve can choose to run it's business however they want, with that said I think it's a bit retarded not to support the PS3 with ports like they did with the Orange Box. I mean 20 million PS3s on the market and sourcing out ports should be easy money. :|

TREAL_Since

EA ported the Orange Box not Valve. And I agree they should port more games. Either that or PS3 owners buy a 360 or upgrade their PC. Valve games are timeless. I urge everyone to at least try them.

So PS3 Orange Box sold bad or something? Because it doesn't sound to me like they had to work with the difficult PS3 system if others ported it for them. I guess the sales must not have been impressive or something.

And I agree, Half-Life is one of my favorite games ever and there are alot of silly people here bashing Valve's great talent as developers.

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#180 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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I just think they can't be bothered. They're probably projecting profits and it didn't look too good so why bother?
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#181 mD-
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It never ceases to amaze me the extent PS3 users go to in order to blame everyone and everything other than their platform for PS3 development difficulties.

AnnoyedDragon
It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol.
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#182 EVOLV3
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Looks like Valve is falling behind other devs, they cant seem to handle the PS3 while everyone else is doing fine.

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#183 johnlennon28
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also, if ps3 was on top of the sales chart, then it'll be a different story,
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#184 Verge_6
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Looks like Valve is falling behind other devs, they cant seem to handle the PS3 while everyone else is doing fine.

EVOLV3
Yeah, this claim totally wasn't addressed multiple times in the ten pages or so of this thread...
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#185 mD-
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Looks like Valve is falling behind other devs, they cant seem to handle the PS3 while everyone else is doing fine.

Verge_6
Yeah, this claim totally wasn't addressed multiple times in the ten pages or so of this thread...

that's what happens when people join into a long discussion without reading through the thread. Typical GS forum user.
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#186 3picuri3
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Looks like Valve is falling behind other devs, they can seem to handle the PS3 while everyone else is doing fine.

EVOLV3
no, they choose not to due to sony arrogance. read the article. they join the long long list of developers criticizing sony for their hardware choices. if anything they are being sensible, and level-headed. we already know 2-3 2nd/3rd party developers that leaned heavily on the PS3 and Sixaxis controls that have gone under or posted serious operational losses. that's what i'd call 'falling behind'.
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#187 adamosmaki
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Looks like Valve is falling behind other devs, they cant seem to handle the PS3 while everyone else is doing fine.

EVOLV3
because a dev desides to focus on two similar architecture platforms ( 2 platforms that have alot of success especially pc) that make them bad? How is it different from rockstar developing agent for ps3 only? Do you still think they are falling behind because they will develop only for ps3? if that was the case then every game would be released on every major system
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#188 Dead-Memories
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I'm astonished at how quick people are to just plainly bash Valve, for this or that reason, completely ignoring their enormous contributions to the gaming community.

It baffles me a times.

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#189 MJPK
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[QUOTE="MJPK"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] UK is not to bad, £40 is standard for games be pre-owned has been a god-send price wise, I recently picked up both PoP and Mirrors edge together for £30. clembo1990

The UK isn't bad but I live in the Republic of Ireland.Games were €70-€75 a few years ago but they have went down in price.I get alot of my games sent out from England(play.com,amazon etc) as it works out cheaper.

Doesn't play.com use Euros for Ireland?

U can change it to euros.New games on Play only cost €40-€50 and PC games only cost €24-€33.That's why I use them.

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#190 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Looks like Valve is falling behind other devs, they cant seem to handle the PS3 while everyone else is doing fine.

mD-
Yeah, this claim totally wasn't addressed multiple times in the ten pages or so of this thread...

that's what happens when people join into a long discussion without reading through the thread. Typical GS forum user.

A nice attempt at passive-aggressiveness in regards to your unclear PS3/360 topic, but no.
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It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol. mD-

It is a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

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#192 MJPK
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I'm astonished at how quick people are to just plainly bash Valve, for this or that reason, completely ignoring their enormous contributions to the gaming community.

It baffles me a times.

Dead-Memories

I only thing I bash Valve for is there overpriced games on steam.This PS3 thing doesn't bother me as I have a good PC,PS3 and Xbox 360.

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#193 mD-
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mD-"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] Yeah, this claim totally wasn't addressed multiple times in the ten pages or so of this thread...

that's what happens when people join into a long discussion without reading through the thread. Typical GS forum user.

A nice attempt at passive-aggressiveness in regards to your unclear PS3/360 topic, but no.

haha
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#194 sikanderahmed
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and people say valve are the best dev? valve is extremely lazy, they only work on pc coz its easier to develop on it...and then they port it to xbox 360

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#195 Ryuuichi009
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[QUOTE="mD-"]It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol. AnnoyedDragon

It ia a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

Is that not their job however? I mean an airplane engineering could find the new engine parts overly difficult and needlessly complicated and might prefer the old ones which worked just as well but isn't it his job to suck it up and work with the new parts?
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#196 Dead-Memories
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and people say valve are the best dev? valve is extremely lazy, they only work on pc coz its easier to develop on it...and then they port it to xbox 360

sikanderahmed
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#197 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="mD-"]It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol. Ryuuichi009

It ia a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

Is that not their job however? I mean an airplane engineering could find the new engine parts overly difficult and needlessly complicated and might prefer the old ones which worked just as well but isn't it his job to suck it up and work with the new parts?

Their job is to turn a profit, a goal that could suffer greatly if they started developing games for the PS3.
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#198 RobisGodly
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[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]

Awesome, Valve don't expect my money to grace your wallets anytime soon.

AAllxxjjnn
You have a PC, why does this news bother you?

Maybe he doesn't have a PC? It is possible to lie on the internet. Or did you forget with the purchase of a PS3 you get a PC that can max out Crysis 5.
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#199 Nephilim83
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[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

If they don't want to waste time on trying to figure out the baffling architecture of the PS3 doesn't mean they're lazy, it just means they aren't a fan of wasting time. Valve has usually been good about releasing quality titles in succession. To call them lazy would be ignorant at best, the devs that have actually had the will to ATTEMPT to figure out the ordeal that is the PS3 were usually funded by Sony themselves, so we can expect a lot of this in the future.

How would you consider it wasting time to figure out how to develope for another console and make even more money by developing for said console? I think they're lazy and don't want to figure out how to do it. They've always developed for the PC and since the 360 uses a very similar programming architecture they get by pretty easily on it. If the 360 was any more difficult I'm sure they'd just stick to the PC. Its sad when new studios visceral can master the system when an old pro can do nothing more than whine about it being too complicated. Valve is so tired.