Valve Shuts out Ps3 too complicated

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] He immaturely takes my words, replaces them with with what he wants to claim, and then goes around to insult me? Is that your measure of "ownage"? Anway, Sony has indeed contributed to the CONSOLE industry perhaps, but have struck themselves down this gen.Dead-Memories

Meh...This don't bother me. I don't really any of the games they have made.

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"]Actually, only two maybe three of the dozen or so developers work for Sony. They express very honest and critical opinions on their "PS3 experiences." One actually offers a pretty negative view about it. So I'd say "No." No bias. AnnoyedDragon

It's the official Playstation magezine, the entirety of its contents are under their control, if there is a negative opinion it is only to add to the believability to what would be a majority of positives.

Nothing from any official magazine for any console is unbiased.

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It ia a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

Verge_6

Their job is to turn a profit, a goal that could suffer greatly if they started developing games for the PS3.

Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Jared2720

valve is just lazy, they are the only developer who refuses to develop for ps3, look at infinity ward when valve was complaining about ps3 being complicated, infinity ward was releasing a perfect version of cod4.

bokiloki

Don't make Dead-Memoriesown you

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] yeah they're not doing great this gen but according to your logic valve is not that good anymore since they seem unable to develop for ps3 unlike other devs, right?Nephilim83

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] Again, if you read the thread, you would not be ignorantly accusing valve of not being able to develop on the PS3, but of course, you don't want to read the truth.Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Again, you come of sounding very immature. What's to read in the thread? Did some of you come to the conclusion that Valve can develope for the PS3 and are just deciding not to? If that's the case then his statement stands true. It seems Valve has struck themselves down this gen, too. :Pedo-tensei

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[QUOTE="mD-"]It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol. Nephilim83

It is a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

If you wanna get with the times you gonna go with pc gaming. You think valve that is beign succesfull on pc and have succes in 360 so far are gonna go with a CPU aka cell that was designed in 2004 ( and you calling it the future) and has an install base of 20-25million ( the number of ps3's sold) or go with the 2 platforms with a more traditional architecture the one xbox 360 with an install base 30million and the other the PC with an install base of about a billion ( not all used for gaming but according to pcga there are about 200-250million gaming pc's others used for casual and others used for your half life type of gaming). So if they are gonna go somewhere with potential for more sales that will be the pc first and 360 after

Believe what you want. I don't think they told those guys what they can and cannot say. Those guys may have buttered it up a bit, but there was a lot of logic in their comments and I think they know much better than you or anyone else on this thread what its like to develope for the PS3 and should have no reason to lie about it. If they did..... Rats. I just don't trust any developers anymore. Not even Valve. :PNephilim83

I'm not the one being unreasonable here, neutral developers are always more trustworthy than those speaking in official magazines in regard to criticism on developing for a platform.

They wouldn't be allowed to speak in the magazine if their comments were anything but positive in majority.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Again, you come of sounding very immature. What's to read in the thread? Did some of you come to the conclusion that Valve can develope for the PS3 and are just deciding not to? If that's the case then his statement stands true. It seems Valve has struck themselves down this gen, too. :Pedo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] Valve would rather be creating new IP's with great gameplay and quality, then losing profits porting a game to the PS3. Which in all, is the summary of this thread.Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] lo and now it's you making the immature and ignorant comment assuming valve would be wasting their money on ps3. lolwut?edo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] Valve would rather be creating new IP's with great gameplay and quality, then losing profits porting a game to the PS3. Which in all, is the summary of this thread.Verge_6

i lol @some ppl that DONT KNOW HOW TO BUILD THEY OWN PC but yet can "diss" some of best developers on face of earth...

something is fishy here and im not talking about that guy sitting next to me

truth is - valve CAN and DID create game for PS3 before so its not that they dont know how to do it or something as ridiculous like that.

point is - its not economical

risk-benefit ratio is not good so why waste resources and time

imagine if World of Warcraft was to come to PS3

they would have to make LOT of things from scratch

for what?? for that few milions more?

they allready have so many players they dont need more, they would just potentialy loose money trying to port it to ps3

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] lo and now it's you making the immature and ignorant comment assuming valve would be wasting their money on ps3. lolwut?edo-tensei

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] lo and now it's you making the immature and ignorant comment assuming valve would be wasting their money on ps3. lolwut?edo-tensei

i lol @some ppl that DONT KNOW HOW TO BUILD THEY OWN PC but yet can "diss" some of best developers on face of earth...

something is fishy here and im not talking about that guy sitting next to me

truth is - valve CAN and DID create game for PS3 before so its not that they dont know how to do it or something as ridiculous like that.

point is - its not economical

risk-benefit ratio is not good so why waste resources and time

imagine if World of Warcraft was to come to PS3

they would have to make LOT of things from scratch

for what?? for that few milions more?

they allready have so many players they dont need more, they would just potentialy loose money trying to port it to ps3

Sometimes I don't get Valve. In the case of Episode 3, they have the engine, they have the story arc, they aren't building anything from scratch and on top of it all its probably a 5-7 hour game and its taking them longer to make then it takes most companies to make a full AAA game. They also gave the PS3 version of the Orange Box to EA... I mean really? It was a terrible port that eventually forced me to shell out for a new graphics card so I could play TF2. I love Valve games, always have, but seriously they are rather lazy in some regard. tman93

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] You don't know about the software sales, do you?_rpg_FAN

[QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] what? about ea porting the orange box and not valve, yeah i knew that, so? ea was doing the porting not valveedo-tensei

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

AdoringFan_

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Static Lighting :P

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[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"] they still have to PAY to get porting done and EARN by selling game if PAY > EARN its no good why waste money and resources when you can EARN and pay little?Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] yeah but since they didn't spend the major portion of the money by doing the work themselves they got their money back by the few hundreds sales of the ps3 portedo-tensei

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] You have no idea what you're talking about do you?Dead-Memories

PC versions of games are always better than console versions, anyway.

Their games suck anyway. I have a good enough computer but I wouldn't waste my time on their games.Odrec

valve's a pretty crap developer though get's way too much credit, company's like idsoftware deserve alot more.modsAreWetodds

I never understood why Sony decided to do a joint venture with IBM and Toshiba to create the Cell processor. Granted its great for somethings but not worth investing in and slapping into a console for games. Consoles should just go with a decent high end x86 processor so the devs can start pumping out high quality games and not have to spent countless years mastering a new piece of hardware like the KZ2 devs granted they did a beauty with it.

I am not saying we shouldn't advance technology, I am just saying a console isn't probably the best place to start implimenting it; however, putting a blu ray player in the PS3 probably helped sell more units in the long run.

Plus, there are now talks that the next consoles could be running on a GPU only with talks of the next nvidia GPGPU and CUDA programming. So there would be no point for the Cell if that happens. Idk, just my thoughts.

Their games suck anyway. I have a good enough computer but I wouldn't waste my time on their games.Odrec

Bah! We know you're only kidding. :o

Half-Life? Portal? Come on...

I see why all cows buy a high-end pc once they get a ps3.

It's official Valve just doesnt have the resources, knowledge or money it takes to be a true developer.

whitetiger3521

You do realize Valve is one of the best developers in the world, right?

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

It's official Valve just doesnt have the resources, knowledge or money it takes to be a true developer.

You do realize Valve is one of the best developers in the world, right?

Their games suck anyway. I have a good enough computer but I wouldn't waste my time on their games.Odrec

[QUOTE="modsAreWetodds"]valve's a pretty crap developer though get's way too much credit, company's like idsoftware deserve alot more.Timbury

Saying its difficult to develop for and saying its a complete waste of time are two very different things. Valve has been saying this kind of stuff all gen so I don't think its a surprise.

The problem is, is that Valve wants consoles to be as open as PC. Which will probably never happen. There is a video on youtube with Gabe explaning this.

I see why all cows buy a high-end pc once they get a ps3.

druggyjoe3000

That would make sense, if the PS3 had no games.

On topic: Other devs are doing just fine, if they don't want to waste their time and money on it, then it's a wise business decision.