Valve Shuts out Ps3 too complicated

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

and people say valve are the best dev? valve is extremely lazy, they only work on pc coz its easier to develop on it...and then they port it to xbox 360

sikanderahmed

If you were making millions of dollars shoveling manure with a *bulldozer*, then another manure job comes along, except for this time you have to use a *shovel* in place of a *bulldozer*... Would you even bother?

Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?-Pred-Alien-

http://loot-ninja.com/2009/06/09/valve-shuts-out-too-complicated-ps3/

Tssk Tssk.. lazy devs confirmed :evil:

AdoringFan_

Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.Jared2720

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[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?GodofBigMacs

Read the topic before you open your mouth.

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?GodofBigMacs

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]All the people griping in here might as well just state that they really have no knowledge of Valve themselves. Their dev team is small, does not recieve nearly as much funding as many 1st party devs do. They do not have the resources, and certainly not the time, to make a different version of every game they have for a console with hardware that they are not comfortable with in terms of the 360 and PC. It is that simple. Maybe if they were a massive game-designing powerhouse like Naughty Dog and received millions from their parent company, you could complain. But if you had any grip on the actual situation of Valve, you'd understand.BoloTheGreat

Is that not their job however? I mean an airplane engineering could find the new engine parts overly difficult and needlessly complicated and might prefer the old ones which worked just as well but isn't it his job to suck it up and work with the new parts? Ryuuichi009

It's their job to make games, not play with some strange architecture that has never been applied in gaming before this generation.

Many developers make games for the PS3 because they have no choice, content development costs demand selling on multiple platforms; and PS3 is one of the big three platforms with a gamer install base to sell to.

Valve however have a choice, their games are designed to look good; not advanced. Their content development costs are low enough for them to ignore the PS3, there are two platforms on traditional CPU architecture for them to sell to.

[QUOTE="mD-"]It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol. AnnoyedDragon

It is a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"][QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Thats funny, other developers are doing just fine:?Dead-Memories

rofl @ the gif, massive face palm on this one

I know I'm gonna get everyone on my back considering the love for them here, but this makes Valve look bad.

I know I'm gonna get everyone on my back considering the love for them here, but this makes Valve look bad.

Chutebox

I'm astonished at how quick people are to just plainly bash Valve, for this or that reason, completely ignoring their enormous contributions to the gaming community.

It baffles me a times.

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] If they don't want to waste time on trying to figure out the baffling architecture of the PS3 doesn't mean they're lazy, it just means they aren't a fan of wasting time. Valve has usually been good about releasing quality titles in succession. To call them lazy would be ignorant at best, the devs that have actually had the will to ATTEMPT to figure out the ordeal that is the PS3 were usually funded by Sony themselves, so we can expect a lot of this in the future.Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I know I'm gonna get everyone on my back considering the love for them here, but this makes Valve look bad.

AAllxxjjnn

I know I'm gonna get everyone on my back considering the love for them here, but this makes Valve look bad.

I'm astonished at how quick people are to just plainly bash Valve, for this or that reason, completely ignoring their enormous contributions to the gaming community.

It baffles me a times.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I know I'm gonna get everyone on my back considering the love for them here, but this makes Valve look bad.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="mD-"]It never ceases to amaze me the extent you generalize and criticize PS3 users/fanboys. I've noticed now that you usually do this on a continuous basis to the point that it has been a consistent habit, lol... Anything negative PS3 criticism attracts you, lol. Ryuuichi009

It ia a legitimate criticism, whenever the PS3 is criticised or falls behind they always blame everyone else and never accept that the console may be to blame.

It's petty to blame some of the leading developers in the industry when it is common knowledge PS3 uses a none standard CPU, one developers have consistently criticised as being difficult to develop for.

Or you could say Valve is like BMW engineers. They have always worked on gas engine cars and they are good at fixing them up. They are also always up to date with the newest technologies for BMWs.

So people see this and think since they are so good with BMWs they would also be good working on a Toyota Prius hybird. It also has new and cutting edge technology. Unfortunatley, it just doesn't work that way. Now some people may feel that they are lazy for not working on a Toyota Prius. I would think they just don't give a f... for the Toyota Prius...

People realize the only reason Valve is so popular is because they made game engines are are very easy to mod/hack? If it wasn't for computer nerds making their own mods in their parent's basements, Valve wouldn't be nearly as big as they are now. Make's me wonder why Valve gets credited for someone else's work.

I will agree, Half-Life 1/2 are great games, but are very standard shooters in terms of gameplay. Counter-Strike is a joke, filled with nothing but hackers/auto-aimers, and Left 4 Dead is an awesome multiplayer game, but with a practically non-existent single player game. (which is what makes Valve games so good for me at least, their single player stories). Oh, and Portal was made by college students, and Valve just funded the project off their ideas and called it their own.

In the end, Valve are a good development team, but are in no way gods in the gaming industry. Not to mention, people saying that Valve has done more for gaming than any other company are pretty much just PC junkies that loath consoles in any fashion. I personally love Valve (have since Half-Life 1 was released), but they are far from the best development team in the business.

Good news wouldn't want valve wasting time trying to learn the intricacies of the ps3 and taking away from making great games for the the PC and 360.johnny27

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] How? Are they really obligated to develop for the PS3? AAllxxjjnn

I'm astonished at how quick people are to just plainly bash Valve, for this or that reason, completely ignoring their enormous contributions to the gaming community.

It baffles me a times.

valve is just lazy, they are the only developer who refuses to develop for ps3, look at infinity ward when valve was complaining about ps3 being complicated, infinity ward was releasing a perfect version of cod4.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="edo-tensei"] I'm astonished how quick valva has just plainly bash sony, for this and that reason, completely ignoring their truely enourmous contributions to the gamming community. It baffles me at timesNephilim83

People realize the only reason Valve is so popular is because they made game engines are are very easy to mod/hack? If it wasn't for computer nerds making their own mods in their parent's basements, Valve wouldn't be nearly as big as they are now. Make's me wonder why Valve gets credited for someone else's work.

I will agree, Half-Life 1/2 are great games, but are very standard shooters in terms of gameplay. Counter-Strike is a joke, filled with nothing but hackers/auto-aimers, and Left 4 Dead is an awesome multiplayer game, but with a practically non-existent single player game. (which is what makes Valve games so good for me at least, their single player stories). Oh, and Portal was made by college students, and Valve just funded the project off their ideas and called it their own.

In the end, Valve are a good development team, but are in no way gods in the gaming industry. Not to mention, people saying that Valve has done more for gaming than any other company are pretty much just PC junkies that loath consoles in any fashion. I personally love Valve (have since Half-Life 1 was released), but they are far from the best development team in the business.

Well, the devs that are actually trying and learning this technology are actually praising it and prefer it in a lot of ways to the "standard" CPU. Just check out the July issue of PtOM. They seem to dig it. The xbox isn't going to stay the same forever. Eventually its going to have to utilize a new technology itself. When that happens will Valve give up or will they get their butts in gear and get with the times?Nephilim83

You're referring me to Playstation - The Official Magazine for Cell impressions? Don't you think they may be just a tad biased on there?

When you hear about Cell complaints it comes form developers not under Sony's control; like Valve and Carmack. You get developers telling others to use the PS3 as the lead platform; not because it is better but to avoid future difficulties in development.

We are hearing from multiple sources and the criticism is consistent, Cell is difficult to develop for. Now I'm sure you can hunt down a quote from someone who isn't under Sony's influence; but we are talking about allot of developers saying it is a bother here.

If you want to talk about future technologies; why not look at what PC is experimenting with right now in regard to GPU computing? I'd expect Valve would be happier working under that than Cell.

Where is the respect for gamers? They would rather have it easy going than provide their games to PS3 owners. What a bunch of pricks. There is clearly a demand for their games to appear on PS3 yet they would rather give them the cold shoulder. I'm glad there are developers out there who just want gamers to enjoy their games, regardless of the box they stand behind.

[QUOTE="Jared2720"]Sounds like some of the employees at Valve need to start taking some classes at Naughty Dog University.BoloTheGreat

They probably run their company like a company. There is often no need to almost double the your dev team for less than double the revenue. Staying small and lean in business is what ensures that companies stick around when the economy gets bad. And Valve is one of the most respected developers (if not THE most respected). They don't put out bad games. lhughey

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] You just /selfowned yourself :|Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] You just /selfowned yourself :|Dead-Memories

You're referring me to Playstation - The Official Magazine for Cell impressions? Don't you think they may be just a tad biased on there?

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="lhughey"]They probably run their company like a company. There is often no need to almost double the your dev team for less than double the revenue. Staying small and lean in business is what ensures that companies stick around when the economy gets bad. And Valve is one of the most respected developers (if not THE most respected). They don't put out bad games. blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Um. No he didn't. He just owned you. Are you suggesting that Sony has not contributed enormously to the gaming community? edo-tensei

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Um. No he didn't. He just owned you. Are you suggesting that Sony has not contributed enormously to the gaming community? edo-tensei

I don't understand how cows can be so blind that they don't realise that Valve and Carmack, some of the oldest and greatest developers, obviously know what they're talking about.

Valve spends years as it is making and polishing their games to perfection. Would we really want to wait even longer just for PS3 ports?

As it stands it's pretty pointless to play Valve games on anything but the PC.

Actually, only two maybe three of the dozen or so developers work for Sony. They express very honest and critical opinions on their "PS3 experiences." One actually offers a pretty negative view about it. So I'd say "No." No bias. Nephilim83

It's the official Playstation magezine, the entirety of its contents are under their control, if there is a negative opinion it is only to add to the believability to what would be a majority of positives.

Nothing from any official magazine for any console is unbiased.

Well, all the PS3 guys have high end PCs, so this really isn't a problem.

AAllxxjjnn

I dont know if all do or not but you don't necessarily need something "high end" to enjoy PC gaming.

The PS3 will be fine without Valve.

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] He immaturely takes my words, replaces them with with what he wants to claim, and then goes around to insult me? Is that your measure of "ownage"? Anway, Sony has indeed contributed to the CONSOLE industry perhaps, but have struck themselves down this gen.Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

Well, all the PS3 guys have high end PCs, so this really isn't a problem.

I dont know if all do or not but you don't necessarily need something "high end" to enjoy PC gaming.