Valve, your thoughts on why they hate the PS3?

[QUOTE="delta3074"]valve are not lazy, they just don't want to take the risk with the PS3, it costs more to develope for and has a lower softwrae attach rate, there is no gaurantee you can recoup your developement costs through sales, the 360 however is cheap as chips to develope on and has a high software attach rate, meaning they spend less and get more money back,basic business, the 360 equals low cost and high return, the ps3 equals increased cost at lower return, also MS has been known to offset some of the development costs of games on the 360, hell the practically funded the PS3 version of ToV, so going with Ms was the smart thing to do from valves point of view, the ps3 is a great machine and can probably do better graphics than the 360, but is it worth the risk with such a low software attach rate? do developers really want to spend more money and get less back in return? the answer to both those questions from a business perspective is NoRadecSupreme

Will you stop using that excuse, its already been disproven by that fact that every other 3rd party makes multiplatforms for the PS3.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Valve didnt even make PS2 games......... That excuse is just a scape goat.

Truth is Gabe Newells used to work for microsoft which is why they make PC and xbox 360 games. They are biased.

RadecSupreme

Glad you noticed I didnt call them lazy or stupid because in all I unlike cows recognize that they make great games. But the problem comes when they talk trash about a certain console and then people try to defend them from other bashing. That is hypocrasy. Lazy would be dumb to say, but calling them biased is the truth. Why do you say you do not disagree with them being biased? Is that not what they are?

Valve's been getting lazier with each passing year, just look at their games, they went from fully fledged GOTY full package experiences to games that feel like mods. They're still great at what they do but they aren't the monster they once were.

I still love them tho, Steam owns, and even tho I said their games feel like mods, they're still really fun mods.

Eddie-Vedder

Also how can a company be lazy? Its not like they're saying we just cant be bothered. They have business reasons for their decisions.

No one likes the PS3. Cold hearted truth. Those Angels Sony are always being misstreated.Everyone's in MS' pocket.

Valve doesn't have the financial support of a major publisher backing it up. They see it's not worth investing the time and money into PS3 development, as it would draw funding away from their other projects.

Saying that it is a waste of everyone's time is not a point. Why are there so many ps3 multiplats then? argryqwe

It's easy to blow money on making PS3 version when you're just blowing the publisher's money instead of your own

Cows are just mad that they wont be able to play Episode 3 :D

Stringerboy

That games the new Duke Nukem Forever, IMO. Cows won't be playing EP 3 on PS3 because the PS6 will probably be out by the time EP 3 bothers to rear it's head.

Valve doesn't have the financial support of a major publisher backing it up. They see it's not worth investing the time and money into PS3 development, as it would draw funding away from their other projects.

Doom_HellKnight

My problem is that they outright insult the PS3 and it's community instead of just saying "We don't have the money/don't want to take the risk". Instead they say things like "PS3 is a waste of time" and "The 360's community is better" which is very immature for a professional development company to be saying. Especially one that "cares about the gamers".

valve is just lazy and they dont want towork on ps3 coz its too different from 360/PC

sikanderahmed

they dont hate the ps3 they are a pc developer, but that wont stop cows and their feeling of entitlement. surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="argryqwe"]Saying that it is a waste of everyone's time is not a point. Why are there so many ps3 multiplats then? AdrianWerner

It's easy to blow money on making PS3 version when you're just blowing the publisher's money instead of your own

[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"]

Valve doesn't have the financial support of a major publisher backing it up. They see it's not worth investing the time and money into PS3 development, as it would draw funding away from their other projects.

Pixel-Pirate

My problem is that they outright insult the PS3 and it's community instead of just saying "We don't have the money/don't want to take the risk". Instead they say things like "PS3 is a waste of time" and "The 360's community is better" which is very immature for a professional development company to be saying. Especially one that "cares about the gamers".

Valve develops PC games. The Xbox 360 is the closest Console to PC coding.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="argryqwe"]Saying that it is a waste of everyone's time is not a point. Why are there so many ps3 multiplats then? awuilfj

It's easy to blow money on making PS3 version when you're just blowing the publisher's money instead of your own

[QUOTE="awuilfj"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Valve is independent developer in fullest sense...they aren't owned by a publisher and they self finance the development of all their games. Show me other devs like that who support PS3 fully.

It's easy to blow money on making PS3 version when you're just blowing the publisher's money instead of your own

kidcool189

Valve hates the PS3 that is definitely why they are hiring people who can code with the PS3.

interesting do you have a link for that??

also the fact that they are not making ps3 games just means they don't think they can make a good quality game for the ps3(port or otherwise) or at least good enough to recoup there developpment costs and if they ever did change their mind/reconsider, they've screwed themselves over by spurning the ps3 community already.

and if blizzard for any reason wanted to put a game on a console, it would be the same! They would have no experience/time to put in the polish for the PS3.

valve had already proved to themselves that they have reached their skills and limitation developing games. they couldn't get any of their games to run well on the ps3 and rewriting their engine would prove that they CANT do it. it's too hard and too challenging. valve is starting to age they are starting to fall off the ladder while other developers exceed. activition able to put it out on both pc, ps3, and 360 for their modern warfare 2 without breaking a sweat. the game play better and more fun than any of valve's current franchises. activitionmassively >>>>>>>>>>>>> valve !!!!! we got a new sheriff in town.

activition able to put it out on both pc, ps3, and 360 for their modern warfare 2 without breaking a sweat.

iwasgood2u

What's DX, a cow, and why do people say M$ and not MS

no, i don't think that valve is being lazy at all. they make a boat ton of money off the PS and 360. why would they care about PS3?

Every dev has the right to make games for whatever console(s) they see fit. Like KP with MGS4. There's no reason to make a huge drama about it.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Every dev has the right to make games for whatever console(s) they see fit. Like KP with MGS4. There's no reason to make a huge drama about it.iwasgood2u

I'll never understand why people care if they talk down about your platform of choice. If this was criteria for being lazy why are we not calling every dev who insulted the Wii, DS, or PSP lazy? Why do people even care? Also, why is every person who thinks Valve is lazy for this some former fan who now finds their games less inspiring? Is this like a symptom of Valve betrayal or something?

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Every dev has the right to make games for whatever console(s) they see fit. Like KP with MGS4. There's no reason to make a huge drama about it.iwasgood2u

Also, why is every person who thinks Valve is lazy for this some former fan who now finds their games less inspiring? Is this like a symptom of Valve betrayal or something?ActicEdge

I'll never understand why people care if they talk down about your platform of choice.

ActicEdge

Yeah it seems pretty silly to me too.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'll never understand why people care if they talk down about your platform of choice.

Teufelhuhn

Yeah it seems pretty silly to me too.

Some people attach themselves too much to a machine, as if its their own flesh and blood child. This probably also stems from the same "team mentality" that compels one to swear some kind of pledge of allegiance to the system, forsaking all others.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Also, why is every person who thinks Valve is lazy for this some former fan who now finds their games less inspiring? Is this like a symptom of Valve betrayal or something?IronBass

I basically just kinda laugh at it now. If the company is less inspiring to you to begin with, wouldn't it stand to reason that you would also desire their games less? This board truly does have a hate for Valve though. Its actually probably the most animated and genuine hate I have witnessed. No Valve thread ever ends well. Also, what did you think of DI? My friend really disliked it but I myself haven't played it.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'll never understand why people care if they talk down about your platform of choice.

Teufelhuhn

Yeah it seems pretty silly to me too.

Meh, w/e. Probably the SW mob mentality. I think this place thinks of these systems like sports and don't want to hear anything negative about their "team", That's my best guess.

Also, what did you think of DI? My friend really disliked it but I myself haven't played it.ActicEdge

http://www.playstationuniversity.com/the-blackbuster-special-fanboy-devs-valve-need-to-stfu-1352/awuilfj

That gave me a good laugh. Its true though.

[QUOTE="awuilfj"]http://www.playstationuniversity.com/the-blackbuster-special-fanboy-devs-valve-need-to-stfu-1352/RadecSupreme

That gave me a good laugh. Its true though.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

[QUOTE="awuilfj"]http://www.playstationuniversity.com/the-blackbuster-special-fanboy-devs-valve-need-to-stfu-1352/DarkLink77

That gave me a good laugh. Its true though.

Sony Defence Force Activate?

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

[QUOTE="awuilfj"]http://www.playstationuniversity.com/the-blackbuster-special-fanboy-devs-valve-need-to-stfu-1352/DarkLink77

That gave me a good laugh. Its true though.

I dont care who its run by. This guy made a video and sited proof to support his message and he is pretty much right.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

That gave me a good laugh. Its true though.

ActicEdge

Sony Defence Force Activate?

So, why aren't they allowed to criticize a system that makes their job harder? The PS3 is very hard to develop for, and really, you can get better performance out of parts on the PC that are easier to develop for. Maybe that's why Valve doesn't like it.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

That gave me a good laugh. Its true though.

RadecSupreme

I dont care who its run by. This guy made a video and sited proof to support his message and he is pretty much right.

So, why aren't they allowed to criticize a system that makes their job harder? The PS3 is very hard to develop for, and really, you can get better performance out of parts on the PC that are easier to develop for. Maybe that's why Valve doesn't like it.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I think its funny that a site run by a bunch of fanboys is accusing one of the most respected developers in the industry of being fanboys, all the while insulting the company. DarkLink77

Sony Defence Force Activate?

So, why aren't they allowed to criticize a system that makes their job harder? The PS3 is very hard to develop for, and really, you can get better performance out of parts on the PC that are easier to develop for. Maybe that's why Valve doesn't like it.

I honestly don't get it but hey whatever. If the Sony camp has it ingraved in their head that Valve is lazy I'm done debating. We've done this over and over and over and over . . . . . . you get the picture. Its just a useless debate at this point imo.

Because they're supposed to kow-tow to the demands of the Sony Faithful, that's why! The PS3 isn't "difficult" and "annoying to work with", it's "complex" and "full of potential"! Any developer that dares to say otherwise shall be blacklisted, and declared "lazy" or "stupid"!

Teufelhuhn

I remember seeing a topic a few days ago about many developers who worked on the PS3 stating that the system had so much untapped potential and that you get what you put into it. They also said that it was very versatile and that it allowed for a lot of experimentation and by having so much to tinker around with, there is always room for improvement and that it will be quite a while until the PS3 has maxed out.

http://www.playstationuniversity.com/the-blackbuster-special-fanboy-devs-valve-need-to-stfu-1352/awuilfj

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Because they're supposed to kow-tow to the demands of the Sony Faithful, that's why! The PS3 isn't "difficult" and "annoying to work with", it's "complex" and "full of potential"! Any developer that dares to say otherwise shall be blacklisted, and declared "lazy" or "stupid"!

shoryuken_

I remember seeing a topic a few days ago about many developers who worked on the PS3 stating that the system had so much untapped potential and that you get what you put into it. They also said that it was very versatile and that it allowed for a lot of experimentation and by having so much to tinker around with, there is always room for improvement and that it will be quite a while until the PS3 has maxed out.

And most of those devs were first party, or second party and therefore funded by Sony. Their opinion doesn't count because they HAVE to develop for the PS3.

Deciding to not develope on a certain system is not laziness.. Laziness would be developing a broken or sloppy port on it.. This is called business in which they think the calculated risk is not worth what they will get in return.. sSubZerOo

Although Valve may not like the console, that does not give them a green light to make offensive comments about the PS3 and its community. The things they say are very rude and are expected to be heard in something like System Wars, not from one of the most successful companies in the gaming industry. It would be fine if they said, "I don't like it" or it's "a hassle to develop for." The comments that followed were completely unnecessary.

I think that the PS3 being "difficult" and "annoying to work with" as opposed to "complex" and "full of potential" are two different ways of looking at the same problem. I am not a dev, but speaking from a personal standpoint, I love the idea of a challenge or a puzzle and look at development of the PS3 as a goldmine just waiting to be uncovered. I'm also more inclined to think this way after seeing the enormous improvement from launch games on the Playstation 3 to titles coming out now such as Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls, etc. In my opinion, I think that Valve has the wrong outlook regarding the PS3. Then again, if they determine that there is too much effort and risk involved in developing for Sony's console, that is their choice. However, they should keep the commentary to themselves. They make the rest of the industry look bad.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Deciding to not develope on a certain system is not laziness.. Laziness would be developing a broken or sloppy port on it.. This is called business in which they think the calculated risk is not worth what they will get in return.. shoryuken_

Although Valve may not like the console, that does not give them a green light to make offensive comments about the PS3 and its community. The things they say are very rude and are expected to be heard in something like System Wars, not from one of the most successful companies in the gaming industry. It would be fine if they said, "I don't like it" or it's "a hassle to develop for." The comments that followed were completely unnecessary.

I think that the PS3 being "difficult" and "annoying to work with" as opposed to "complex" and "full of potential" are two different ways of looking at the same problem. I am not a dev, but speaking from a personal standpoint, I love the idea of a challenge or a puzzle and look at development of the PS3 as a goldmine just waiting to be uncovered. I'm also more inclined to think this way after seeing the enormous improvement from launch games on the Playstation 3 to titles coming out now such as Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls, etc. In my opinion, I think that Valve has the wrong outlook regarding the PS3. Then again, if they determine that there is too much effort and risk involved in developing for Sony's console, that is their choice. However, they should keep the commentary to themselves. They make the rest of the industry look bad.