Wa- Wait a minute.What advantage do consoles get over PC except exclusives? Any?

Games, Simplicity to set up, Compact and easier to lug around. (I do take my PC to friends' houses as well, but it's definitely easier to take my PS3 or 360.)

I still prefer PC, but these are some reasons I like my consoles, and probably why so many console players do as well. Both come with Pros and Cons, for me PCs pros far outweigh the cons, and it benefits me more than console gaming and I prefer the experience I get from it. However, this is not the case with everyone.

I would say: ease of use, convenience, exclusives.

I'm not going to mention splitscreen. Every single one of my nephews and nieces who used to gather around in the family room and play play games together splitscreen (when they were younger) now prefer their own PCs/consoles (in their own rooms if possible). I noticed the change even with my own kid. Must be a growing up thing.

Edit: The one exception is sports games. Of course, that's not really splitscreen.

I also forgot to add: uniformity; a set standard for everyone.

For me it's soley exclusives.

If it wasn't for games like Zelda, Mario, God of War, Resistance, Uncharted, Forza or Rare games (before they became Kinect focused) I wouldn't own any consoles. I buy every multiplat on PC because they are cheaper and allow for mods and higher graphical settings most of the time.

They don't cost 300 dollars to upgrade every few months.

1. Simplicity
2. Compatability
3. 100% controller support (it seems to be an important issue in SW)
4. Exclusive games

These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.

lundy86_4

Price and exclusives are the only advantages i can think of, and those are relative.

Don't know about simplicity, since it's pretty f*cking simple to download, install and never have anything to do with that ever again for the said game - just double click and your in the game. Nohassle with changing disks. And if by simplicity one refers to building a PC, one can easily go to a PC shop and ask the guy there to build it for you.

More games I wanna play. Pretty much the only reason I game so its rather relevant.

They don't cost 300 dollars to upgrade every few months.

TopTierHustler

I can't tell if this is a troll post or not because alot of people actually beleive this.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

They don't cost 300 dollars to upgrade every few months.

Jankarcop

I can't tell if this is a troll post or not because alot of people actually beleive this.

Its a troll post but its not an uncommon thought. I actually just don`t think SW has a reality about the average persons perception of pretty much any topic. Most people I know think PC gaming is expensive, thousand of dollars. Granted it got better with time since I`m in engineering where people`s computer knowledge generally is better than average but you`re just off your rocker if you think its crazy that people think this. Most people buy pre bulit computers with average parts, to get it up to super high quality gaming standard they think you have to spend much more. Not exactly unreasonable.

Consoles don't require as much uptake, and its easier to plug in and play. I turn on my PS3 and I can jump into a game within 30 seconds. It takes about 2 minutes for my laptop to boot up. Then there's plenty of BS, like windows update, which will shut me down mid game because I didn't postpone it. That kind of stuff SUCKS and never happens on consoles. The PC is better than consoles for so many reasons, but those reasons also have their downfalls. To each his own, enjoy your consoles, enjoy you're PC.

For me it's soley exclusives.

If it wasn't for games like Zelda, Mario, God of War, Resistance, Uncharted, Forza or Rare games (before they became Kinect focused) I wouldn't own any consoles. I buy every multiplat on PC because they are cheaper and allow for mods and higher graphical settings most of the time.

R4gn4r0k

I have to agree with this. There is really no advantage other than games.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Well... it's convenient as well. I like consoles better.

Another48hours

Definitely more convenient. I have friends who like to play video games, but they don't know much about computers beyond facebook and youtube. To play a game on a PC would be a major pain for them, but they're fine with consoles. Seriously, the convenience factor plays a big role for a lot of people.

Myself, I'm cool with both consoles and PC's, but that doesn't mean everyone else is.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Convenience and simplicity, there is no thought involved when setting up a console. You plug it into the outlet/tv, pop in the disc, and you're done.campzor

optimization

gaming with friends in the room

less expensive

lasts for as long as games come out for the system

better discussions with friends

more popular

more events held for console gaming

more media coverage

more hype

Decatied gaming sites like gamespot, ign so on n so on towards console gaming

controller

exclusives

revelance outside of the internet forum

more friends game on consoles then pc at least where i live and know

USA don't give 2 sh!ts about pc gaming

cleaner online gaming then pc gaming while still cheaters on xbox live or psn they is a lot less of them

ebrezzy1

optimization

gaming with friends in the room

less expensive

lasts for as long as games come out for the system

better discussions with friends

more popular

more events held for console gaming

more media coverage

more hype

Decatied gaming sites like gamespot, ign so on n so on towards console gaming

controller

exclusives

revelance outside of the internet forum

more friends game on consoles then pc at least where i live and know

USA don't give 2 sh!ts about pc gaming

cleaner online gaming then pc gaming while still cheaters on xbox live or psn they is a lot less of them

ebrezzy1

1. Simplicity
2. Compatability
3. 100% controller support (it seems to be an important issue in SW)
4. Exclusive games

These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.

lundy86_4

1) If you cant invest a few hours into making an entertainment form you do for years and days on end better then I would rather not be that person.

2) Windows has compatible gaming back to the very start including most consoles from previous gens, and DS/wii from this gen. compatibility WUT?

3) .... no it seems like "grasping at straws" in SW.

4) ... "except exclusive games"

JUS SAIYAN!

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

1. Simplicity
2. Compatability
3. 100% controller support (it seems to be an important issue in SW)
4. Exclusive games

These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.

PC360Wii

1) If you cant invest a few hours into making an entertainment form you do for years and days on end better then I would rather not be that person.

2) Windows has compatible gaming back to the very start including most consoles from previous gens, and DS/wii from this gen. compatibility WUT?

3) .... no it seems like "grasping at straws" in SW.

4) ... "except exclusive games"

JUS SAIYAN!

1. Cool. Does not refute the idea that consoles are far more simple in their design and use.
2. Yes it does. It also has numerous issues with different pieces of software, which can stop the game from running, or limit the games function. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is true nonetheless.
3. The 100% was incorrect, however people enjoy gamepads and the systems have nigh on full support (apart from Move/Kinect only games, etc). Just like people prefer the M/KB, people prefer the controller.
4. I already know what he stated, I simply reiterated. Seriously, you should read the thread before quoting.

[QUOTE="Another48hours"][QUOTE="meetroid8"]Convenience and simplicity, there is no thought involved when setting up a console. You plug it into the outlet/tv, pop in the disc, and you're done.meetroid8

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

1. Simplicity
2. Compatability
3. 100% controller support (it seems to be an important issue in SW)
4. Exclusive games

These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.

lundy86_4

1) If you cant invest a few hours into making an entertainment form you do for years and days on end better then I would rather not be that person.

2) Windows has compatible gaming back to the very start including most consoles from previous gens, and DS/wii from this gen. compatibility WUT?

3) .... no it seems like "grasping at straws" in SW.

4) ... "except exclusive games"

JUS SAIYAN!

1. Cool. Does not refute the idea that consoles are far more simple in their design and use.
2. Yes it does. It also has numerous issues with different pieces of software, which can stop the game from running, or limit the games function. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is true nonetheless.
3. The 100% was incorrect, however people enjoy gamepads and the systems have nigh on full support (apart from Move/Kinect only games, etc). Just like people prefer the M/KB, people prefer the controller.
4. I already know what he stated, I simply reiterated. Seriously, you should read the thread before quoting.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

1) If you cant invest a few hours into making an entertainment form you do for years and days on end better then I would rather not be that person.

2) Windows has compatible gaming back to the very start including most consoles from previous gens, and DS/wii from this gen. compatibility WUT?

3) .... no it seems like "grasping at straws" in SW.

4) ... "except exclusive games"

JUS SAIYAN!

campzor

1. Cool. Does not refute the idea that consoles are far more simple in their design and use.
2. Yes it does. It also has numerous issues with different pieces of software, which can stop the game from running, or limit the games function. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is true nonetheless.
3. The 100% was incorrect, however people enjoy gamepads and the systems have nigh on full support (apart from Move/Kinect only games, etc). Just like people prefer the M/KB, people prefer the controller.
4. I already know what he stated, I simply reiterated. Seriously, you should read the thread before quoting.

exclusive games, simplicity and portability.

The way drivers work on PC's have a lot more overhead due to the way they work. An api for a console likely goes directly to the hardware, skipping out kernel calls. On the other hand PC's to be scalable with multiple programs accessing a driver the API calls an IOCTL which ends up in a switch statement, which is really a stack of if statements (is it this call? is it this call? is it this call?...) along with critical sections to make sure to programs accessing the driver to overstep each others calls... Desktop video cards have to be more complex to compensate for this, now you can batch calls but the video card also has to decode them... Consoles work on efficiency and desktops work on rawr power.

savagetwinkie

You are forgeting DirectX Virtual Machine model.

Most PC's API overheads occurs at the CPU side i.e. the OS is being run on the CPU. Note that, DirectX VM generates DirectX assembler stream.

On DirectX virtual machine and Radeon HDs, it generates DX ASM which then runs on AMD APP/IP (Intermediate Language) layer. AMD APP/IP is based on MS 's DX ASM.

developer.amd.com/afds/assets/presentations/2902_2_final.pdf

~83 percent of peak TFLOPs (SGEMM benchmark) performance from RV770 can still be reached via AMD's APP/IP stack e.g. Link

Radeon HDs has a dedicated command processor to handle a block of commands i.e. this is extra transistor allocation issue not about raw power.

1. Simplicity
2. Compatability
3. 100% controller support (it seems to be an important issue in SW)
4. Exclusive games

These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

1. Simplicity
2. Compatability
3. 100% controller support (it seems to be an important issue in SW)
4. Exclusive games

These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head.

Am_Confucius

Compatability? I finished Grim Fandango a month ago, on Win7.Am_Confucius

Remind me, and i'll send you a medal. Consoles compatability with games is far higher than that of some PC's. How many issues have you heard of with running even modern games? I've heard of plenty.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

1) If you cant invest a few hours into making an entertainment form you do for years and days on end better then I would rather not be that person.

2) Windows has compatible gaming back to the very start including most consoles from previous gens, and DS/wii from this gen. compatibility WUT?

3) .... no it seems like "grasping at straws" in SW.

4) ... "except exclusive games"

JUS SAIYAN!

campzor

1. Cool. Does not refute the idea that consoles are far more simple in their design and use.
2. Yes it does. It also has numerous issues with different pieces of software, which can stop the game from running, or limit the games function. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is true nonetheless.
3. The 100% was incorrect, however people enjoy gamepads and the systems have nigh on full support (apart from Move/Kinect only games, etc). Just like people prefer the M/KB, people prefer the controller.
4. I already know what he stated, I simply reiterated. Seriously, you should read the thread before quoting.

Since when has simple always been the number one requirment to make something good? simplicity adds harsh limitations. but I guess simpletons and lazy people dont want to know any better, thats fine, but this is system wars.... on an enthusiast forum.

its like ww3 up in here

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]Compatability? I finished Grim Fandango a month ago, on Win7.lundy86_4

Remind me, and i'll send you a medal. Consoles compatability with games is far higher than that of some PC's. How many issues have you heard of with running even modern games? I've heard of plenty.

Insert PS2 games in my PS3, not working...

Insert PS2 games in my PS3, not working...

Bebi_vegeta

I would have though the obvious removal of backwards compatability would make it clear that I am referencing current-gen titles. Apparently not though.

Issues can and do arise with PC titles. Due to the open nature of the system, numerous issues can alter what you can and cannot do. Look at the new page they just did a Kickstarter with, where they plan to house fixes to numerous games under one website.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]Compatability? I finished Grim Fandango a month ago, on Win7.Bebi_vegeta

Remind me, and i'll send you a medal. Consoles compatability with games is far higher than that of some PC's. How many issues have you heard of with running even modern games? I've heard of plenty.

Insert PS2 games in my PS3, not working...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Insert PS2 games in my PS3, not working...

lundy86_4

I would have though the obvious removal of backwards compatability would make it clear that I am referencing current-gen titles. Apparently not though.

Oh really... that's so convenient for a compatibility argument... one can play games 15 years old, while one can't play games 6+ years old games.

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]Compatability? I finished Grim Fandango a month ago, on Win7.lundy86_4

Remind me, and i'll send you a medal. Consoles compatability with games is far higher than that of some PC's. How many issues have you heard of with running even modern games? I've heard of plenty.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Insert PS2 games in my PS3, not working...

lundy86_4

I would have though the obvious removal of backwards compatability would make it clear that I am referencing current-gen titles. Apparently not though.

Issues can and do arise with PC titles. Due to the open nature of the system, numerous issues can alter what you can and cannot do. Look at the new page they just did a Kickstarter with, where they plan to house fixes to numerous games under one website.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Remind me, and i'll send you a medal. Consoles compatability with games is far higher than that of some PC's. How many issues have you heard of with running even modern games? I've heard of plenty.

Chris_Williams

Insert PS2 games in my PS3, not working...

So old PS3 have the compatibility, but newer PS3 don't and your saying it's because PS2 was still selling like crazy... Yeah much sense.

That is a mixed message.. The Xbox360 is completely incapable of playing something from the 90s inless specifically ported over by the dev.. While a PC can.. So you tell me this, define compatability? Because as it stands the PC can play the radical majority of games out there quite easily, no single console really can.. Especially when you look at ones like the PS3 that all the new ones can't play PS2 games inless they have a original machine or got a ported over version on PSN.sSubZerOo

I'm talking about compatability with the titles they are designed to play. You insert a 360 disk in a 360, and it has a ridiculously high chance of running (unless you botched something or had a hardware failure). PC's can be a mixed bag, just look at the numerous forum posts online, and how a new website has been started to house issue resolutions in one page (they just had a kickstarter for it).

Current generation isnt backwards compatibility though is it, and only clowns get these problems, a simple solution is to buy and upgrade at the right times.PC360Wii

Huh? I'm referencing current gen titles when saying consoles have a higher compatability with their games. Buying and upgrading at the right time does not solve all issues.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]That is a mixed message.. The Xbox360 is completely incapable of playing something from the 90s inless specifically ported over by the dev.. While a PC can.. So you tell me this, define compatability? Because as it stands the PC can play the radical majority of games out there quite easily, no single console really can.. Especially when you look at ones like the PS3 that all the new ones can't play PS2 games inless they have a original machine or got a ported over version on PSN.lundy86_4

I'm talking about compatability with the titles they are designed to play. You insert a 360 disk in a 360, and it has a ridiculously high chance of running (unless you botched something or had a hardware failure). PC's can be a mixed bag, just look at the numerous forum posts online, and how a new website has been started to house issue resolutions in one page (they just had a kickstarter for it).

Current generation isnt backwards compatibility though is it, and only clowns get these problems, a simple solution is to buy and upgrade at the right times.PC360Wii

Huh? I'm referencing current gen titles when saying consoles have a higher compatability with their games. Buying and upgrading at the right time does not solve all issues.

Oh really... that's so convenient for a compatibility argument... one can play games 15 years old, while one can't play games 6+ years old games.

Bebi_vegeta

Convenient? Not really. More common sense. I wasn't referencing backwards compatability when I made that point :?

One can play certain games that are older, for sure. Some may require extreme tweaking to run. Sh*t, my brother still has issues running KoTOR on Vista.

At the end of the day, consoles have far less issues with running compatible games. Hence why we have numerous posts all over the internet for certain game fixes on PC.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

1. Cool. Does not refute the idea that consoles are far more simple in their design and use.
2. Yes it does. It also has numerous issues with different pieces of software, which can stop the game from running, or limit the games function. I'm not saying this is always the case, but it is true nonetheless.
3. The 100% was incorrect, however people enjoy gamepads and the systems have nigh on full support (apart from Move/Kinect only games, etc). Just like people prefer the M/KB, people prefer the controller.
4. I already know what he stated, I simply reiterated. Seriously, you should read the thread before quoting.

Another48hours

You keep saying that as if Onlive is PC gaming; it isn't. It isn't PC gaming any more than Fish Wrangler or Mafia Wars. You may be using your PC to play, but you don't have to and, in fact, the use of your PC is that of a console, not a PC.

Cant think of a single game that is unplayable or requires more than a 5 minute google search to work. windows 7 is awesome. that is all. grasping at straws much.PC360Wii

You just helped my point though... A 5 minute Google search. In other words, you can't run it and must do a Google search for the solution.

Games have issues, hence why they are having a kickstarter for that site to house as many PC game fixes under one website as possible. So that googling solutions to your problem is made remarkably easier.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh really... that's so convenient for a compatibility argument... one can play games 15 years old, while one can't play games 6+ years old games.

lundy86_4

Convenient? Not really. More common sense. I wasn't referencing backwards compatability when I made that point :?

One can play certain games that are older, for sure. Some may require extreme tweaking to run. Sh*t, my brother still has issues running KoTOR on Vista.

At the end of the day, consoles have far less issues with running compatible games. Hence why we have numerous posts all over the internet for certain game fixes on PC.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Cant think of a single game that is unplayable or requires more than a 5 minute google search to work. windows 7 is awesome. that is all. grasping at straws much.lundy86_4

You just helped my point though... A 5 minute Google search. In other words, you can't run it and must do a Google search for the solution.

Games have issues, hence why they are having a kickstarter for that site to house as many PC game fixes under one website as possible. So that googling solutions to your problem is made remarkably easier.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Oh really... that's so convenient for a compatibility argument... one can play games 15 years old, while one can't play games 6+ years old games.

lundy86_4

Convenient? Not really. More common sense. I wasn't referencing backwards compatability when I made that point :?

One can play certain games that are older, for sure. Some may require extreme tweaking to run. Sh*t, my brother still has issues running KoTOR on Vista.

At the end of the day, consoles have far less issues with running compatible games. Hence why we have numerous posts all over the internet for certain game fixes on PC.

It's funny cause you replied to someone who said he can play a game that's about 15 years old... Isn't that backwards compatability?

There's plenty of console games problems aswell... You think your system is patch free?

At the end of the day your point is just irrelavant. Why? because like Bebi said, yes there maybe some difficulties with some games compatibility on PC, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN PLAY THEM... and we arnt talking a few years here, we are talking 2-3 decades worth. What can your ps3 do? oh wait... none.PC360Wii

Not at all. Especially within the confines of this thread.

You can possibly play them. I agree. However it could take minutes or hours to find and implement a solution. Something consoles do not have to put up with.

Fixed hardware costs, guaranteed compatibility, and ease of use.

It's funny cause you replied to someone who said he can play a game that's about 15 years old... Isn't that backwards compatability?

There's plenty of console games problems aswell... You think your system is patch free?

Bebi_vegeta

What are you on about? I didn't say anything about backwards compatability. I said that I wasn't referencing backwards compatability when I made the point.

None of my systems are patch free, including my PC.

...guaranteed compatibility...

Aidenfury19

Maybe this could be a better use of wording for the posters above.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]At the end of the day your point is just irrelavant. Why? because like Bebi said, yes there maybe some difficulties with some games compatibility on PC, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN PLAY THEM... and we arnt talking a few years here, we are talking 2-3 decades worth. What can your ps3 do? oh wait... none.lundy86_4

Not at all. Especially within the confines of this thread.

You can possibly play them. I agree. However it could take minutes or hours to find and implement a solution. Something consoles do not have to put up with.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

It's funny cause you replied to someone who said he can play a game that's about 15 years old... Isn't that backwards compatability?

There's plenty of console games problems aswell... You think your system is patch free?

lundy86_4

What are you on about? I didn't say anything about backwards compatability. I said that I wasn't referencing backwards compatability when I made the point.

None of my systems are patch free, including my PC.

Maybe you didn't, but the guy you replied you did... hence why you replied with your argument.

Exactly so all system prove to have problems with games, thank you.

But they cant even play them. you argue that if 1% of my games have problems I shouldnt enjoy the fact that i get so many more because of this very nature? absolutely grasping at straws, id like to give you more credit and believe you dont hold to such a casual, lazy pathetic ideal yourself....PC360Wii

I argue that games have "guaranteed compatability" for the consoles (thanks to aidenfury above for some better wording), which isn't the case for PC's. At the end of the day, people can buy a new PC game and have issues running/starting the game, whereas this is a far less likely scenario for the consoles. It is an advantage for the consoles.

Skyrim won't launch.

Deus Ex won't launch.

Battlefield 3 won't launch.

The Old Republic launch problems.

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These are the kinds of things I am talking about. Even if this was down to user error, it's almost non-existant on consoles compared to PC.

Maybe you didn't, but the guy you replied you did... hence why you replied with your argument.

Exactly so all system prove to have problems with games, thank you.

Bebi_vegeta

My argument was formed before what he stated. I was never talking backwards compatibility, and was only referencing current-gen games.

Something I didn't refute. Regardless, do PC's (in general) have more issues running games than consoles? We'll stick to current games.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]But they cant even play them. you argue that if 1% of my games have problems I shouldnt enjoy the fact that i get so many more because of this very nature? absolutely grasping at straws, id like to give you more credit and believe you dont hold to such a casual, lazy pathetic ideal yourself....lundy86_4

I argue that games have "guaranteed compatability" for the consoles (thanks to aidenfury above for some better wording), which isn't the case for PC's. At the end of the day, people can buy a new PC game and have issues running/starting the game, whereas this is a far less likely scenario for the consoles. It is an advantage for the consoles.

Skyrim won't launch.

Deus Ex won't launch.

Battlefield 3 won't launch.

The Old Republic launch problems.

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These are the kinds of things I am talking about. Even if this was down to user error, it's almost non-existant on consoles compared to PC.

*tips hat*

Precisely. Consoles sacrifice power and flexibility for efficiency and certainty. People who argue against them from the perspective of a PC enthusiast (PCs can do so much more!) are missing the point entirely, people who buy consoles understand that they won't play their DOS games or do CAD work, but they aren't expected to do that. They're expected to play games designed for them and frequently for a previous console generation.

An additional note I would make is that while I find DRM on any platform objectionable, consoles tend to be far less intrusive and draconian in their implementations compared to several PC alternatives (Origin, SecuROM, Star Force, Games for Windows Live).