We live in a f*cking backwardsasss society

Because talent comes from new ideas, not safe ones to keep the profit margins high.verbtex

A problem in a game is a problem regardless of the price. Once you've paid for the game, the price isn't a consideration any more.

Pug-Nasty

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A problem in a game is a problem regardless of the price. Once you've paid for the game, the price isn't a consideration any more.

AdrianWerner

Sure, the length of the game. But bad gameplay, poor sound effects, or oeverall low quality are things indie games usually get a pass on. The only games that shouldn't be slammed for those things are free games.

Edit: I just wanted to add that "indie" doesn't mean cheaper. Plenty of Indie games go for full price, but they still get rated on loose standards.

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I totally agree with this

"They poured their heart and soul into this"

Yeah, that and several flaws. But let's give them a pass on that because they indie

Pug-Nasty

Who does, reviewers who work for the sites that are funded almost entirely by the ad revenue from the publishers of those games or the gamers themselves?

But bad gameplay, poor sound effects, or oeverall low quality are things indie games usually get a pass on. The only games that shouldn't be slammed for those things are free games.

Pug-Nasty

Indie and bigbudgeted just have different standards. And it goes both ways, the AAA titles get a free pass on lack of originality, bad writtin and character development and lack of enough content.

Slashless? More like Tasteless, amirite?

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People are also much more forgiving when they know the game was made by a small team with a small budget. They give the indie games passes on a lot of stuff they will hit a big game for, simply because they have an excuse.

jg4xchamp

I totally agree with this

"They poured their heart and soul into this"

Yeah, that and several flaws. But let's give them a pass on that because they indie

I hardly see high profile game get free passes. Most of the time here people criticise them so much. COD gets so much goddamn hate here.

I hardly see high profile game get free passes. Most of the time here people criticise them so much. COD gets so much goddamn hate here.

OB-47

And rightfully so.

It f*cking scores AA/AAA every year despite being a C quality shooter.

Slashless? More like Tasteless, amirite?

waltefmoney

"Did someone just mention me?"

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Slashless? More like Tasteless, amirite?

N30F3N1X

"Did someone just mention me?"

Who's that guy?

Sure, the length of the game. But bad gameplay, poor sound effects, or oeverall low quality are things indie games usually get a pass on. The only games that shouldn't be slammed for those things are free games.

Edit: I just wanted to add that "indie" doesn't mean cheaper. Plenty of Indie games go for full price, but they still get rated on loose standards.

Pug-Nasty

Indie games with bad gameplay? Such as?

Indie games make a name for themselves because they do something good. If an indie game has ****ty gameplay it will simply be forgotten and never spoken of again. Ever heard of Garshasp? It's an indie game with some of the worst gameplay I've ever managed to look at. The only reason I remember it is because I can't delete it from my Steam games.

DAMN YOU GS AND YOUR AMATEUR HTML CODERS.

That guy is the one you just mentioned, his name is Tasteless, he's one of the most popular Starcraft 2 progaming casters in the scene.

DAMN YOU GS AND YOUR AMATEUR HTML CODERS.

That guy is the one you just mentioned, his name is Tasteless, he's one of the most popular Starcraft 2 progaming casters in the scene.

N30F3N1X

That's awesome and all, but..

STILL BETTER TASTE THAN SLASHLESS.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Sure, the length of the game. But bad gameplay, poor sound effects, or oeverall low quality are things indie games usually get a pass on. The only games that shouldn't be slammed for those things are free games.

Edit: I just wanted to add that "indie" doesn't mean cheaper. Plenty of Indie games go for full price, but they still get rated on loose standards.

N30F3N1X

Indie games with bad gameplay? Such as?

Indie games make a name for themselves because they do something good. If an indie game has ****ty gameplay it will simply be forgotten and never spoken of again. Ever heard of Garshasp? It's an indie game with some of the worst gameplay I've ever managed to look at. The only reason I remember it is because I can't delete it from my Steam games.

indie games don't always have bad gameplay. Infact they often have a really neat gameplay hook, but they are sometimes executed pretty terribly or badly. But because it's a small team and well....indie people ignore alot of the mistakes and constantly compare it to AAA games which have achieved their admittedly unambitious mechanics superbly.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

I totally agree with this

"They poured their heart and soul into this"

Yeah, that and several flaws. But let's give them a pass on that because they indie

OB-47

I hardly see high profile game get free passes. Most of the time here people criticise them so much. COD gets so much goddamn hate here.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] As oppose to the ridiculous amount of free pass we give high profile retail games?jg4xchamp

I hardly see high profile game get free passes. Most of the time here people criticise them so much. COD gets so much goddamn hate here.

Yes I actually kinda agree with you (especially on Uncharted) but they are some points I have to counter the GTA and Elder scrolls criticsms. But it's really late right now and I need some sleep so it'll have to wait till next time sorry. But don't worry I get the general gist of what you are saying

You know why it's this way Slash? Because game developers in general seek to appeal to two kinds of people, illustrated by two people I know in real life. The first is the "I'll buy anthing that's got a brand on it" person. This person buys the terribly designed cash-ins for such TV series as Ben 10 and Wipeout. The other is the "I'm a mature (fill in the blank) -year-old and I wanna play games that have violence and sex in them". This person who was a huge fan of Pokemon abandoned the series because he didn't think it was mature enough for him and now only plays games with an M rating or sports games.

The people on this website, writers and lurkers included, are in general unlike the rest of the population. We'll spend entire hours debating with people on here and call that time well spent. We'll play games for hours to master that hidden move and 100% the game. We'll read books to expand the lore of a game. I know some won't but the general population will. Things that we see as completely stupid will be awesome to the more casual gamers. To an extent, you can't blame developers for making money, but we ought to be speaking out more about the quality of the games and really going out to support indie titles and titles that give a unique experience to show that games such as the ones you mentioned and others like Demon's Souls are what we want.

We should also be doing more to communicate with our more casual friends to inform them about these indie games and show them the full spectrum of gaming goodness. If we don't like the gaming society, we should seek to change it rather than to just sit behind our computers and complain about it.

Politics in sw? This shall end well.

[spoiler] Sorry Slash :P [/spoiler]

Well, judging by your font, you do seem to be a Playstation 3 fanatic, so it's understandable if you haven't played any if at all quality PSN Games. PSN is so useless it might as well have a tag.

Slashless

Dude :|.

[spoiler] I lol'd. [/spoiler]

one of the best games on the 3DS is Pushmo yep I see your point