Well, that didn't take long, PC gets GDDR5 system RAM support

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Whats funny is all the butthurt Sony fanboys thinking that the PS4 will be comparable to faster hardware which allow more complex graphics/effects

Bebi_vegeta

So faster hardware allows more graphical effects?  Last time I checked it allowed them to be played at higher res and higher framerates.  The same effects are still dooable on DX11 cards.  There is no pc game out right now that the PS4 couldnt run as long as it sticks in 1080p and 30 to 60fps . Do you acutally deny that? 

I'm pretty sure if you don't have the POWER from the GPU you need to cut some features... hence why there's different levels of options in the graphic menu of any game.

And a 7950 witch is a weaker card then whats i the PS4 can run any game at max settings in 1080p at playable framerates. 

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[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

So faster hardware allows more graphical effects?  Last time I checked it allowed them to be played at higher res and higher framerates.  The same effects are still dooable on DX11 cards.  There is no pc game out right now that the PS4 couldnt run as long as it sticks in 1080p and 30 to 60fps . Do you acutally deny that? 

AM-Gamer

I'm pretty sure if you don't have the POWER from the GPU you need to cut some features... hence why there's different levels of options in the graphic menu of any game.

And a 7950 witch is a weaker card then whats i the PS4 can run any game at max settings in 1080p at playable framerates. 

Why are you saying a 7950 is weaker ? It has more teraflops...

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[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

How old are you 6?  That was such a witty comeback . 

AM-Gamer

No, are you really not getting it?

Oh I get it, Im surrounded by butt hurt hermits who do the exact same thing every generation a new console comes out.  This is exactly how it was when the PS3 and 360 came out nearly 7 years ago. 

God you are slow, that Crysis photo you got so butthurt about, is not real. It was a joke so if anyone is butthurt, it would be you

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]You dont even know the definition fo an excuse . :lol:Tessellation

It is , the hermit butthurt is insane.  

he clearly dumb. :cool:Tessellation

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]he clearly dumb. :cool:MstaPrimeMnista

What?

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

No, are you really not getting it?

lostrib

Oh I get it, Im surrounded by butt hurt hermits who do the exact same thing every generation a new console comes out.  This is exactly how it was when the PS3 and 360 came out nearly 7 years ago. 

God you are slow, that Crysis photo you got so butthurt about, is not real. It was a joke so if anyone is butthurt, it would be you

The picture was so small you coudln't tell, ZOMG IM SO DUMB!!!  

The funny thing is hermits did that for years.  Posted small pics of Crysis on SW and talked about how awesome and real it looked. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Oh I get it, Im surrounded by butt hurt hermits who do the exact same thing every generation a new console comes out.  This is exactly how it was when the PS3 and 360 came out nearly 7 years ago. 

AM-Gamer

God you are slow, that Crysis photo you got so butthurt about, is not real. It was a joke so if anyone is butthurt, it would be you

The picture was so small you coudln't tell, ZOMG IM SO DUMB!!!  

The funny thing is hermits did that for years.  Posted small pics of Crysis on SW and talked about how awesome and real it looked. 

Uh it's not that small, and it's pretty damn obvious.  Especially if you look at the second spoiler.  It's okay to be dumb, just stop spreading it around

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Oh I get it, Im surrounded by butt hurt hermits who do the exact same thing every generation a new console comes out.  This is exactly how it was when the PS3 and 360 came out nearly 7 years ago. 

AM-Gamer

God you are slow, that Crysis photo you got so butthurt about, is not real. It was a joke so if anyone is butthurt, it would be you

The picture was so small you coudln't tell, ZOMG IM SO DUMB!!!  

The funny thing is hermits did that for years.  Posted small pics of Crysis on SW and talked about how awesome and real it looked. 

It was an obvious photoshop, you're just thick

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Im not the one saying Crysis 1 is beyond anything on next gen consoles.  The PS4 for somereason has you all so butthurt and rabbid its emberassing. I may not even buy one but the fact that its got hermits up in arms is hillarous.  

AM-Gamer

So faster hardware allows more graphical effects?  Last time I checked it allowed them to be played at higher res and higher framerates.  The same effects are still dooable on DX11 cards.  There is no pc game out right now that the PS4 couldnt run as long as it sticks in 1080p and 30 to 60fps . Do you acutally deny that? 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

So faster hardware allows more graphical effects?  Last time I checked it allowed them to be played at higher res and higher framerates.  The same effects are still dooable on DX11 cards.  There is no pc game out right now that the PS4 couldnt run as long as it sticks in 1080p and 30 to 60fps . Do you acutally deny that? 

AM-Gamer

I'm pretty sure if you don't have the POWER from the GPU you need to cut some features... hence why there's different levels of options in the graphic menu of any game.

And a 7950 witch is a weaker card then whats i the PS4 can run any game at max settings in 1080p at playable framerates. 

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]The "new" Playstation is weaker than the PC I bought 2 years ago. No Blu-Ray Burner? No Solid State Drives? Man, this is weak. ATI/AMD parts? What the fu** no. I don't want this garbage at all. What happened to the revolutionary cell-processing technology Sony introduced? They scrap it because of all the mediocre game developers who are used to old x86 standards, using old graphics engines on a license? I'm tired of the game industry today. Major borefest games and almost zero innovation.tormentos

Make that 7950 e.g. my 7950 @ 900Mhz (factory/firmware clock speed) murders 7870 on Tomb Raider 2013 and Dirt Showdown.

My 7950 @ 900Mhz is faster than 7950 (800Mhz) reference.

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Whats funny is all the butthurt Sony fanboys thinking that the PS4 will be comparable to faster hardware which allow more complex graphics/effects

04dcarraher

So faster hardware allows more graphical effects?  Last time I checked it allowed them to be played at higher res and higher framerates.  The same effects are still dooable on DX11 cards.  There is no pc game out right now that the PS4 couldnt run as long as it sticks in 1080p and 30 to 60fps . Do you acutally deny that? 

You danced around the question, do you honestly think the PS4 isnt capable of running any current games right now on max settings as long as it runs in 1080p.  Do you have any clue the processing power it would take to run 250,000 thousand poly models over 50,000 poly models .  Even to this day pc games usually dont use higher levels of geometry and polygons on multipalts and there competing against DX 9 cards.  So what makes you think other DX11 cards are going to do it?  No pc card is so much more powerful then the PS4 that its going to render 4x the polygons and geometry at even a playable framerate.  The things you are talking about wont come to light untill DX12 or even DX13.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]Source? Benchmarks? The 7970 is quite a bit better than a 7850. And by then the 8000 series and probably the Nvidia GK110 based cards will be coming out. PS4 already out of datetormentos

GCN 2.0 like 7790(Bonaire XT) still slots within the existing 7000 model range. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Bonaire-XT-7790-AMD-Radeon,21199.html

Bonaire XT doesn't have the raw power of Tahiti class GCN.

Remember,

Radeon HD 7970 Ghz Edition was renamed to Radeon HD 8970 OEM.

Radeon HD 7950 Boost Edition was renamed to Radeon HD 8950 OEM.

The next GCN 2.0 flagship can slot in 7960/7980 or 8960/8980.

There a problem with vgleaks's "Allows rendering and compute loads to be processed in parallel" statement e.g. Tomb Raider 2013/TressFX says Hi.

PS4's "8 process buffers" matches 8 AMD Jag cores and may not be required for PC GCN version i.e. PC ussually has stronger CPU cores to feed Tahiti class GCN e.g. AMD Radeon marketing favorite Intel Core i7-3770 CPU selection. PS4's extra GCN front end deals with 8 weaker** CPU cores.

It looks like AMD modified GCN for 8 core Jaguar CPU feed. PS4's "8 process buffers" could work well with 8 core AMD Piledriver, but not be required for quad-core AMD Steamroller.

**Weaker than "fat" X86 CPU cores like high clock speed Intel Core Sandybridge/Ivybridge quad cores/8 threads.

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

I'm pretty sure if you don't have the POWER from the GPU you need to cut some features... hence why there's different levels of options in the graphic menu of any game.

04dcarraher

And a 7950 witch is a weaker card then whats i the PS4 can run any game at max settings in 1080p at playable framerates. 

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! lmao.  Wow bro calm down.  Im sorry Ive always used Nvidia cards so i get my numbers mixed up.  The 7850 is the one I meant and i believe the PS4 is said to be a step above that?  Yet the 7850 can still run any current pc game at max setttings in 1080p at a playable framerate.  A pc with 2x the speed isnt going to have the power to render any extra effects.  Its going to render those same effects at higher resolutions and better framerates and thats something you just dont seem to understand.  You are not going to see a massive jump in PC visuals untill DX12 or maybe DX13. For the next couple years you will be playing console games at resolutions beyond 1080p granted you have the hardware to support it. 

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

God you are slow, that Crysis photo you got so butthurt about, is not real. It was a joke so if anyone is butthurt, it would be you

lostrib

The picture was so small you coudln't tell, ZOMG IM SO DUMB!!!  

The funny thing is hermits did that for years.  Posted small pics of Crysis on SW and talked about how awesome and real it looked. 

Uh it's not that small, and it's pretty damn obvious.  Especially if you look at the second spoiler.  It's okay to be dumb, just stop spreading it around

No I dont dwell on the internet 24hours a day and regonize BS photos that have been posted on forums instantly.  Its not that im dumb , im just not a loser.  

PS. Im also posting from a mac and the picture didnt show up at all untill I quoted it, so I barely got to see it. So all I saw was the txt that said Crysis JPG and the comments. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

So faster hardware allows more graphical effects?  Last time I checked it allowed them to be played at higher res and higher framerates.  The same effects are still dooable on DX11 cards.  There is no pc game out right now that the PS4 couldnt run as long as it sticks in 1080p and 30 to 60fps . Do you acutally deny that? 

AM-Gamer

You danced around the question, do you honestly think the PS4 isnt capable of running any current games right now on max settings as long as it runs in 1080p.  Do you have any clue the processing power it would take to run 250,000 thousand poly models over 50,000 poly models .  Even to this day pc games usually dont use higher levels of geometry and polygons on multipalts and there competing against DX 9 cards.  So what makes you think other DX11 cards are going to do it?  No pc card is so much more powerful then the PS4 that its going to render 4x the polygons and geometry at even a playable framerate.  The things you are talking about wont come to light untill DX12 or even DX13.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

And a 7950 witch is a weaker card then whats i the PS4 can run any game at max settings in 1080p at playable framerates. 

AM-Gamer

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! lmao.  Wow bro calm down.  Im sorry Ive always used Nvidia cards so i get my nubmers mixed up.  The 7850 is the one I meant and i believe the PS4 is said to be a step above that?  Yet the 7850 can still run any current pc game at max setttings in 1080p at a playable framerate.  A pc with 2x the speed isnt going to have the power to render any extra effects.  Its going to render those same effects at higher resolutions and better framerates and thats something you just dont seem to understand.  You are not going to see a massive jump in PC visuas untill DX12 or maybe DX13. For the next couple years you will be playing console games at resolutiosn beyond 1080p granted you have the hardware to support it. 

At one point games are going to look better and you'll need to sacrifice effects over resolution/fps. Crysis 3 is already showing 7850 reaching it's limit.

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] just because they are designed around the features does not means they can run the same quality nor the same complexity. Once native direct x 11 shader model 5 games become the norm, you will see big differences in effects and environments its not about resolutions or framerate. its about what they can process. like say a npc model using 50,000 polygons vs 250,000 polygons to make objects and items natural less blocky. or even say with an explosion seeing a couple of hundred debris with real time dynamic lighting and particles, vs thousands. This generation will not be about framerate and or resolution more more about player interaction with a more complex environment 04dcarraher

You danced around the question, do you honestly think the PS4 isnt capable of running any current games right now on max settings as long as it runs in 1080p.  Do you have any clue the processing power it would take to run 250,000 thousand poly models over 50,000 poly models .  Even to this day pc games usually dont use higher levels of geometry and polygons on multipalts and there competing against DX 9 cards.  So what makes you think other DX11 cards are going to do it?  No pc card is so much more powerful then the PS4 that its going to render 4x the polygons and geometry at even a playable framerate.  The things you are talking about wont come to light untill DX12 or even DX13.

Yet its running Deep down real time on a PS4 dev kit and that looks far beyond anything on PC.  Id hate to tell you but you will not see a PC do anything a PS4 cant handle untill DX12. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

The picture was so small you coudln't tell, ZOMG IM SO DUMB!!!  

The funny thing is hermits did that for years.  Posted small pics of Crysis on SW and talked about how awesome and real it looked. 

AM-Gamer

Uh it's not that small, and it's pretty damn obvious.  Especially if you look at the second spoiler.  It's okay to be dumb, just stop spreading it around

No I dont dwell on the internet 24hours a day and regonize BS photos that have been posted on forums instantly.  Its not that im dumb , im just not a loser.  

PS. Im also posting from a mac and the picture didnt show up at all untill I quoted it, so I barely got to see it. So all I saw was the txt that said Crysis JPG and the comments. 

That's a lot of excuses.  It doesnt take any scrutiny to tell that the picture is fake, and the person who posted even made it obvious that it was a joke. You're just stupid and butthurt. Try Again

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Your so wrong and being ignorant a 7950 especially with boost is 2x faster then PS4 gpu. 1.8 TFLOP vs 3.6 TFLOP ya your trolling, having that kratos wimp as your image shows your colors big time. Bebi_vegeta

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! lmao.  Wow bro calm down.  Im sorry Ive always used Nvidia cards so i get my nubmers mixed up.  The 7850 is the one I meant and i believe the PS4 is said to be a step above that?  Yet the 7850 can still run any current pc game at max setttings in 1080p at a playable framerate.  A pc with 2x the speed isnt going to have the power to render any extra effects.  Its going to render those same effects at higher resolutions and better framerates and thats something you just dont seem to understand.  You are not going to see a massive jump in PC visuas untill DX12 or maybe DX13. For the next couple years you will be playing console games at resolutiosn beyond 1080p granted you have the hardware to support it. 

At one point games are going to look better and you'll need to sacrifice effects over resolution/fps. Crysis 3 is already showing 7850 reaching it's limit.

At one point it will but it wont be on a DX11 card. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! lmao.  Wow bro calm down.  Im sorry Ive always used Nvidia cards so i get my nubmers mixed up.  The 7850 is the one I meant and i believe the PS4 is said to be a step above that?  Yet the 7850 can still run any current pc game at max setttings in 1080p at a playable framerate.  A pc with 2x the speed isnt going to have the power to render any extra effects.  Its going to render those same effects at higher resolutions and better framerates and thats something you just dont seem to understand.  You are not going to see a massive jump in PC visuas untill DX12 or maybe DX13. For the next couple years you will be playing console games at resolutiosn beyond 1080p granted you have the hardware to support it. 

AM-Gamer

At one point games are going to look better and you'll need to sacrifice effects over resolution/fps. Crysis 3 is already showing 7850 reaching it's limit.

At one point it will but it wont be on a DX11 card. 

Haha, wow. Do you even know what that means? Just because it's a DX11 card does not mean it's powerful

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! lmao.  Wow bro calm down.  Im sorry Ive always used Nvidia cards so i get my nubmers mixed up.  The 7850 is the one I meant and i believe the PS4 is said to be a step above that?  Yet the 7850 can still run any current pc game at max setttings in 1080p at a playable framerate.  A pc with 2x the speed isnt going to have the power to render any extra effects.  Its going to render those same effects at higher resolutions and better framerates and thats something you just dont seem to understand.  You are not going to see a massive jump in PC visuas untill DX12 or maybe DX13. For the next couple years you will be playing console games at resolutiosn beyond 1080p granted you have the hardware to support it. 

AM-Gamer

At one point games are going to look better and you'll need to sacrifice effects over resolution/fps. Crysis 3 is already showing 7850 reaching it's limit.

At one point it will but it wont be on a DX11 card. 

I wouldn't bet my life on that...

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

And a 7950 witch is a weaker card then whats i the PS4 can run any game at max settings in 1080p at playable framerates. 

AM-Gamer

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! lmao.  Wow bro calm down.  Im sorry Ive always used Nvidia cards so i get my numbers mixed up.  The 7850 is the one I meant and i believe the PS4 is said to be a step above that?  Yet the 7850 can still run any current pc game at max setttings in 1080p at a playable framerate.  A pc with 2x the speed isnt going to have the power to render any extra effects.  Its going to render those same effects at higher resolutions and better framerates and thats something you just dont seem to understand.  You are not going to see a massive jump in PC visuals untill DX12 or maybe DX13. For the next couple years you will be playing console games at resolutions beyond 1080p granted you have the hardware to support it. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You danced around the question, do you honestly think the PS4 isnt capable of running any current games right now on max settings as long as it runs in 1080p.  Do you have any clue the processing power it would take to run 250,000 thousand poly models over 50,000 poly models .  Even to this day pc games usually dont use higher levels of geometry and polygons on multipalts and there competing against DX 9 cards.  So what makes you think other DX11 cards are going to do it?  No pc card is so much more powerful then the PS4 that its going to render 4x the polygons and geometry at even a playable framerate.  The things you are talking about wont come to light untill DX12 or even DX13.

AM-Gamer

Yet its running Deep down real time on a PS4 dev kit and that looks far beyond anything on PC.  Id hate to tell you but you will not see a PC do anything a PS4 cant handle untill DX12. 

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Uh it's not that small, and it's pretty damn obvious.  Especially if you look at the second spoiler.  It's okay to be dumb, just stop spreading it around

lostrib

No I dont dwell on the internet 24hours a day and regonize BS photos that have been posted on forums instantly.  Its not that im dumb , im just not a loser.  

PS. Im also posting from a mac and the picture didnt show up at all untill I quoted it, so I barely got to see it. So all I saw was the txt that said Crysis JPG and the comments. 

That's a lot of excuses.  It doesnt take any scrutiny to tell that the picture is fake, and the person who posted even made it obvious that it was a joke. You're just stupid and butthurt. Try Again

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] :lol:, did I say any thing about the PS4 not running current games? no, im talking about native directx 11 based games.... As the rest of your post tessellation and other heavy shader based work enough said...... The PS4 will not be able to match a gpu that's already multiple times faster. to quote the infamous loosingends "My PC is not a gaming PC in the sense that does not have a GPU that will run games in playable frame rates, other than that is a DX11 GPU that will run any game in any setting" Just because a gpu is designed around the same API/hardware standards does not mean the weaker gpu will be able to render the same image at same complexity without giving something up

04dcarraher

Yet its running Deep down real time on a PS4 dev kit and that looks far beyond anything on PC.  Id hate to tell you but you will not see a PC do anything a PS4 cant handle untill DX12. 

You can continue to have a hermit circle jerk but it wont change the facts.  You acutally beleive a card that is 2x faster is going to be running better effects ?   LOL really?   And we somehow thing Deep down isnt real time , yet Capcom easily matched there RE5 demo they showed last gen.  So why dont you respond with something meaninful . 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No I dont dwell on the internet 24hours a day and regonize BS photos that have been posted on forums instantly.  Its not that im dumb , im just not a loser.  

PS. Im also posting from a mac and the picture didnt show up at all untill I quoted it, so I barely got to see it. So all I saw was the txt that said Crysis JPG and the comments. 

AM-Gamer

That's a lot of excuses.  It doesnt take any scrutiny to tell that the picture is fake, and the person who posted even made it obvious that it was a joke. You're just stupid and butthurt. Try Again

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No I dont dwell on the internet 24hours a day and regonize BS photos that have been posted on forums instantly.  Its not that im dumb , im just not a loser.  

PS. Im also posting from a mac and the picture didnt show up at all untill I quoted it, so I barely got to see it. So all I saw was the txt that said Crysis JPG and the comments. 

AM-Gamer

That's a lot of excuses.  It doesnt take any scrutiny to tell that the picture is fake, and the person who posted even made it obvious that it was a joke. You're just stupid and butthurt. Try Again

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

Don't know what butt hurt means? Haha, you really are butt hurt.  Calm down.  I dont think I even bashed the PS4, just you for being stupid

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Yet its running Deep down real time on a PS4 dev kit and that looks far beyond anything on PC.  Id hate to tell you but you will not see a PC do anything a PS4 cant handle untill DX12. 

AM-Gamer

You can continue to have a hermit circle jerk but it wont change the facts.  You acutally beleive a card that is 2x faster is going to be running better effects ?   LOL really?   And we somehow thing Deep down isnt real time , yet Capcom easily matched there RE5 demo they showed last gen.  So why dont you respond with something meaninful . 

You do know that some cards are Dx11 and can't run full features because they are to weak right ?

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

That's a lot of excuses.  It doesnt take any scrutiny to tell that the picture is fake, and the person who posted even made it obvious that it was a joke. You're just stupid and butthurt. Try Again

04dcarraher

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] O god help this one Bebi_vegeta

You can continue to have a hermit circle jerk but it wont change the facts.  You acutally beleive a card that is 2x faster is going to be running better effects ?   LOL really?   And we somehow thing Deep down isnt real time , yet Capcom easily matched there RE5 demo they showed last gen.  So why dont you respond with something meaninful . 

You do know that some cards are Dx11 and can't run full features because they are to weak right ?

And you do know the card the PS4 is based off of is not one of them right? 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

AM-Gamer

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

Well the Geforce Titan is pretty much ahead...

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

AM-Gamer

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

There are PC cards ahead of the PS4.  And I would like to see the benchmarks that say it can run any current PC game at "max" settings at 1080p and get even 30fps

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You can continue to have a hermit circle jerk but it wont change the facts.  You acutally beleive a card that is 2x faster is going to be running better effects ?   LOL really?   And we somehow thing Deep down isnt real time , yet Capcom easily matched there RE5 demo they showed last gen.  So why dont you respond with something meaninful . 

AM-Gamer

You do know that some cards are Dx11 and can't run full features because they are to weak right ?

And you do know the card the PS4 is based off of is not one of them right? 

it's a 7850, it's a mid range card

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You do know that some cards are Dx11 and can't run full features because they are to weak right ?

And you do know the card the PS4 is based off of is not one of them right? 

it's a 7850, it's a mid range card

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You can continue to have a hermit circle jerk but it wont change the facts.  You acutally beleive a card that is 2x faster is going to be running better effects ?   LOL really?   And we somehow thing Deep down isnt real time , yet Capcom easily matched there RE5 demo they showed last gen.  So why dont you respond with something meaninful . 

AM-Gamer

You do know that some cards are Dx11 and can't run full features because they are to weak right ?

And you do know the card the PS4 is based off of is not one of them right? 

What do you mean, a 7850 is not even high end in PC world... As games require mode power for computing calculation, your PS4 will not suffice if you don't want to sacrifice resolution/frames.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

And you do know the card the PS4 is based off of is not one of them right? 

MstaPrimeMnista

it's a 7850, it's a mid range card

What ?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

And you do know the card the PS4 is based off of is not one of them right? 

MstaPrimeMnista

it's a 7850, it's a mid range card

a high end card is 7950 and above, and the current speculation is that to match the PS4 takes a 7850

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

I have nothing to be butt hurt about, im not the hermit bashing the PS4. You don't even know what butt hurt means , you are about as witty as a 6 year old and regurgitate the same thing over and over again. 

AM-Gamer

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

it's a 7850, it's a mid range card

a high end card is 7950 and above, and the current speculation is that to match the PS4 takes a 7850

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Care to show the specs for this card and compare it against what you call a top tier card? Won't Happen.MstaPrimeMnista

a high end card is 7950 and above, and the current speculation is that to match the PS4 takes a 7850

Benchmarks of that? Source?  It is stated that the PS4 GPU is like 1.8 TFLOPS, about the same as a 7850 (maybe a little higher). But a 7950 is like 2.8 TFLOPS

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"] Care to show the specs for this card and compare it against what you call a top tier card? Won't Happen.MstaPrimeMnista

a high end card is 7950 and above, and the current speculation is that to match the PS4 takes a 7850

You're telling me it destroys a Geforce Titan ?

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] ;roll: there's a difference between bashing and bringing some common sense about hardware limitations(even on console) I havent seen anyone bashing the PS4 just toning down the crazy hype that will fall like a rock once reality sits in where its not much better then a mid ranged gaming pc from 2011.lostrib

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

There are PC cards ahead of the PS4.  And I would like to see the benchmarks that say it can run any current PC game at "max" settings at 1080p and get even 30fps

Did I say there wasnt?  And you are calling me dumb?  

Look up the benchmarks its not hard to google.  

It runs BF3 on Ultra settings 1900x1200 res full DX11 4xMSAA and around 36 fps.  

Now lets take into account severla factors.

1. Consoles will only run them at 1920x1080p as thats what most counsmer displays are at

2. The PS4 GPU actually has more raw power then a 7850

3. It is a console , a pc with the same parts isnt going to outperform it.  

Now I do not deny the 7950 is more powerful, but at best it would only run the same quality visuals at higher res and higher framerates.  It does not have a power advantage enough to push any extra effects. 

;roll: there's a difference between bashing and bringing some common sense about hardware limitations(even on console) I havent seen anyone bashing the PS4 just toning down the crazy hype that will fall like a rock once reality sits in where its not much better then a mid ranged gaming pc from 2011.04dcarraher

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

[QUOTE="MstaPrimeMnista"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

a high end card is 7950 and above, and the current speculation is that to match the PS4 takes a 7850

You're telling me it destroys a Geforce Titan ?

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] ;roll: there's a difference between bashing and bringing some common sense about hardware limitations(even on console) I havent seen anyone bashing the PS4 just toning down the crazy hype that will fall like a rock once reality sits in where its not much better then a mid ranged gaming pc from 2011.04dcarraher

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

LOL they wont make DX11 cards that are that much faster.  I wouldnt be surprised if the Gforce Titan is the Last DX11 card that comes out.  There probably come out with another version 6 months to a year from now that uses much less power and then go to DX12.  But there are no CURRENT CARDS RIGHT NOW" that are capable of producing  visuals and effect that a PS4 couldnt handle .  

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You just told me DX 11 cards may run 4x the polygons:|

You guys give the pc platform way to much credit .  

The just of my argment is this. It can run any current pc game at max settings at 1080p from 30 to 60fps. In the next couple years it will produce games that look far better then anything that is out right now. Eventhough they will only run at 1080p and 30 to 60fps.  That is my point.  You are acting like there are current pc cards that are 4 years ahead and thats not the case. 

AM-Gamer

There are PC cards ahead of the PS4.  And I would like to see the benchmarks that say it can run any current PC game at "max" settings at 1080p and get even 30fps

Did I say there wasnt?  And you are calling me dumb?  

Look up the benchmarks its not hard to google.  

It runs BF3 on Ultra settings 1900x1200 res full DX11 4xMSAA and around 36 fps.  

Now lets take into account severla factors.

1. Consoles will only run them at 1920x1080p as thats what most counsmer displays are at

2. The PS4 GPU actually has more raw power then a 7850

3. It is a console , a pc with the same parts isnt going to outperform it.  

Now I do not deny the 7950 is more powerful, but at best it would only run the same quality visuals at higher res and higher framerates.  It does not have a power advantage enough to push any extra effects. 

Other cards on the market have the power advantage... and it will only increase with time.