What, exactly, does the PS4 have left any more?

let's be honest bro, what you just said doesn't even make any sense.

1. the Wii U hardly have any mutiplats and the few it has are inferior compared to the last gen consoles.

2. PS3 and X360 are last gen consoles that soon 3rd party devs will stop supporting anyway.

3. PC has the best but you either need knowledge to built one one or buy an over-priced one. At the end, PC and consoles may share many games but they don't cater to the same demographics.

PS4 is selling really well because it has been doing a fantastic job of marketing their console, which is astonishing compared to how poor the PS3's brand was when it released. Personally, I bought a PS4 for what is coming out exclusively (BloodBourne/The Order/Uncharted) for it in 2015 and beyond. However, there is no question the Wii U and Microsoft though have been owning the PS4 in exclusives. I will never understand how the system architect of the PS4 created such a shitty game in Knack and Drive Club's issues is more piss on the wound

not even once have they disappointed.

..That's your fault for buying something and not doing any research.

Every single Sony System has had a historically bad launch. The PS4 has had a pretty damn good year in contrast.

• New Super Mario Bros. U is a "upgrade" of the Wii version.
• Monster Hunter is STILL muliplat.. no need to go on about what was "added" it's still a multiplat.
• Super Mario 3D world.. again an "upgrade" to the 3DS game.

..so what are you left with in the first year. A bunch of HD upgrades to Wii/3DS/GC games, Lego City, Pikmin 3, 101 and NO 3rd PARTY OFFERINGS. That looks like a pretty average first year along WITH the other two platforms.

You're better off sticking to the 2 vs 1 yr model. You'll have a better shot.

@charizard1605: the burden is on you, the TC, to prove that point. You really haven't. You just talk about exclusives and ignore multiplts which far outnumber exclusives. Also, you're forgetting features and services. The people have spoken and an overwhelming number of people have chosen ps4. That is a fact. Also, multiplts sell better on ps4. That's another fact. And lastly, what exactly are you trying to prove about hype? That the Wii U had two years and people still aren't hyped about it? Or that MS still can't get people to buy X1 even after all those bundles and promotions? You try very hard, dude. And at the end of the day, why did you buy a ps4 if there wasn't any games you actually want on it? Who's fault is that?

@charizard1605: Superior multiplats, positive consumer policies, and hype.

idk, I was pretty disappointed this feature didn't make the cut:

This is why I usually buy any other console I didn't purchase during the gen, when the generation ends, cheaper console, more and better exclusives, plus exclusives are cheaper. By the way, (not a big deal, but I thought I might point it out) is I think you meant to say PS3 for Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn instead of PS4. :P

To prove what point? I proved my point. The PS4 had a terrible year as far as exclusives are concerned. This is a fact. Multiplats? Most multiplats released in the last one year were awful, it's only now, with Evil Within and Shadow of Mordor that we've gotten something that isn't completely worthless.

The Wii U and Xbox One are marketing failures. These do not correspond to the products themselves being bad. The best product in the world can sell like shit because the companies in charge fail to adequately communicate said product's value to the masses.

Most of your points I addressed right above, so I won't bother repeating myself, but lolfuckingwat? You speak as someone who truly didn't play the games in question.

Char still trying to troll the PS4?

I do believe that the Sony enthusiasts in the real world are a lot more likely to act aggressively towards other brands than Sony and in not too dissimilar way to how Cows generally behave here. A lot of casual folks still think Sony has some magical power behind it and at the same time they're not even aware of most top contemporary video game series. A lot of people have also open anti-Microsoft agenda. That and the fact some people still think that initial MS policies pre-E3 2013 are still in place.

This has a few roots, most likely the fact that so many, especially European, magazines openly championed fanboyism and trashing other consoles than PlayStation already in the 1990s might have something to do with it - the whole generations were raised this way.

Porbably because all the best exclusives are on the PC. Maybe that's why he's keeps talking about exclusives. Actually the XB1 bundles are selling better then the PS4 on Amazon right now and the sale doesn't happen until tomorrow. Looks like people are buying XB1's after all. Stay thirsty my friend.

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_12

Actually no you just tap danced around what I said.. but that's ok. You're opinion is more important than the score of the game :rolls eyes:

..Ditto!

@OhSnapitz: What, exactly, did I dance around?

The Wii U had more games in its first year than the PS4, this is a fact, not only did it get exclusives, this was a time when it was getting multiplat games too. There were only two Wii U games shared with 3DS, Sonic Boom and Monster Hunter, and I noted both of them as being shared with the 3DS game. Your comment about NSMBU was hilariously wrong and off topic, but somehow your comment about SM3DW was even more wrong. There was one HD upgrade, which I listed.

Everything you said in your post except for that one bit about Monster Hunter, and Sony consoles actually always having bad starts, was factually wrong. What do you expect me to do with such a post?

When did Killer Instinct become a great game? It's not. I own it and I've explained it's various faults. Forget my opinion as a long time fighting game expert/former tourney player champion, it's only a 73/100 at Metacritic (same exact score as Killzone). Being objective, we can at least look at those scores for those that haven't played a game, and see the game is not great. I'm a longtime KI fan (I played the series before it was ever on console and own every version), and this version was very disappointing. It's hardly considered a great game by critics or by the majority of fans. Yes, there are those that enjoy it (many of them lemmings here) and would do their best to describe to the rest of you that can't play the game and don't have access to KI as a great game, but they are a minority and are just screaming at users who don't know any better. I can say it's a decent game at best, it's playable, although dumbed down and incredibly lacking on depth in comparison to other options/fighters (and especially dumbed down in comparison to previous Killer Instinct fans), but I can't say it's great and neither do other fans I've played with on Xbone, the majority of fighting gamers that skipped right over it after a few weeks of playtime, and the critics. I even chat with other Xbone KI players and I haven't met one online on Xbone that thought KI was a great game, it was just something to play while we waited for better software at launch and I met some good folk on Xbone that way. It's anecdotal, but that's what your opinions above were based on. The last time KI was around it was on Nintendo machines many generations ago. In contrast the last time Killzone was around it was last gen and those games were of better quality, so it was easier for fans to speak out and wish the next game goes back to the 90s/80s at metacritic.

I did speak up on the KI topic in great detail over and over again (I own the game, not the freebie version). Plus, you aren't being very objective and are listening to fanboys instead of using accurate descriptions. Killzone was also a 73/100 at metacritic and also like KI is a huge disappointment. The KI games and Killzone games were better in previous outings. They are both playable and decent at best, but neither game is great, yet you labled KI as great despite not owning the game and labeled Killzone as a game so bad despite not owning that game. It seems you are listening to fans (even that is anecdotal and subjective) to decide what is great and what is not.

KI had games last gen and KZ did not. The last time KI was around it was on Nintendo machines many generations ago. There was a HYPE and different fans waiting to play this latest outing after years of wanting a game. Although, arguably a new, and different core group also playing and rating this game. In contrast the last time Killzone was around it was last gen and those games were of better quality, and more recent, so it was easier for Kilzone fans to speak out against the game and wish the next game goes back to the 90s/80s at metacritic. We probably will get another Killzone, but there was also an understanding that we might not get another Killer Instinct. There were a lot of elements to toggle. I can say that I played Killer Instinct more than Killzone, but I enjoy fighters more than shooters. It wasn't that much more though, I rather play better fighting games which I do. However, I enjoyed KZ online on PS4 launch period. I own both titles and neither are great games.

it really amaze me that lemmings think sony will not deliver are you really serious about this crap TC ? i mean fucking LOL the one that have to prove themself is MS they did nothing new since 2005 only kinect crap.

really man this thread is a joke

LOL seems like the PS4 is making a lot of people butthurt

There is one simple not too hard to understand answer as to why the PS4 is selling and thats because of.. games

now outside of SW nobody gives a single f**k about whether or not a game is only available on PS4, a lot of my friends for example who enjoy playing MMO's like FF14 got a PS4 just to play FF14 ( its literally the only game they play and been playing since FF14 came out ).

there are a lot of games on PS4 it ranges from many free to play games ( some are pretty fun like warframe ) to many more multiplayer games like Plants vs zombies and the extremely addictive Destiny.

now to speak of myself i have bought a PS4 because of Sony's great reputation on producing some of the best games in the industry and as a story focused fan thats why i go to playstation the place that introduced uncharted, last of us, infamous and god of war just to name a few. Currently there are way too many games on PS4 ts hard for me to keep up anymore as i am currently addicted to Destiny, FF14 and Plants vs zombies then in just few more days there is the ultimate addiction with Call of Duty: Advanced warfare ( is this game even on WiiU? LOL ) ( which i been hearing from those who got it early thats its VERY good ) not counting LBP3 which is a blast with friends.

in just less than 10 months we'll be getting The Order ( highly excited for this ), Bloodborne, Final Fantasy Type-0 ( not on WiiU lmfao ), Witcher 3 ( not on WiiU lol ) and then there is persona 5, disgaea 5, YS PS4, ratchet and clank, uncharted and oh man that quantic dreams game, santa monica games, etc

did you know that PS+>>> any other service?

why PS4 is selling? because it has games! its not rocket science

cant wait for the holiday sales gonna produce some similar butthurt threads o boy!

1- I didn't say otherwise. You're the one who brought up the Wii U for multiplats

I one and love it right now, but i wouldn't recommend it ha a primary platform due to lack of 3rd party support. If you care about those games. You're the one

2- Yes, but you're the one using a platform with inferior multiplats being anotehr platform with even more inferior multiplats. I used teh same example

3- So? PC is a gamign platform. It exists. It counts on System Wars. So.........................shrugs

In the world of platform wars, you don't get to take out one fo them to suit your agend. If the piss 4 doesn't have the best versions of multiplats, it doesn't have the best looking and running versions of multiplats.

Indies and multies!

Because with games like Guilty Gear Xrd, Bloodborne, The Order, LBP3, Everybody's Going To Rapture, Disgaea 5,Shadow of the Beast, Rime,Persona 5 and Type 0 just around the corner and its current consisting of a myriad of games, there's no reason not to.

Then again this a blatant troll thread. You honestly expect someone to take you seriously when your first post is filled with hypocrisy?

Don't see many reasons in its current library to buy a PS4, and waiting for game releases isn't really a reason either

Read. The. OP.

I say right there the PS4 will have a great library all said and done, that as a matter of fact, I imagine the console being on fire starting 2015. I am talking about the here and now.

Is reading comprehension such a lost art, or what?

PS4 is a joke multiplat hype machine. I think the only reason it sells is because of the advertising blitz that happened and the anti hype from the X1. All the rabid lems became rabid cows and now they are praising the ps4 like its gods gift to mankind. All of these guys are the same people who kept saying 'Wii U looks ok but I'll wait for the ps4/x1 to launch.' Now are stuck with a mediocre hype box and have to justify their purchase.

Nintendo and Wii U has only one fault this generation. They gave too much credit to the consumer's intelligence. If they hit them with a media hype blitz and bought all the gaming sites like Sony did for 9 months straight their numbers would be better and have next to no profits to show for it, just like Sony.

So all your friends are weeaboos just like you? >_<

Have you tried out the season 2, though?

@elpresador-911: you're a dumbass the ps4 ain't got shit. What you conting on shop ware indies lmao

XPosBone is a joke handle it Lems nothing you can do about it!

you can scream all you want in SW! 3rd grade consoles never win

Fair enough. I was actually only listening to fans, so I admit to mislabeling Killer Instinct. I'll go and edit that out.

The reason I bought a PS4 was that it has the exclusive games that im interested in playing like Uncharted, Bloodborne, etc. It also is the most capable system when it comes to multiplats. Im pretty sure that is why the system is selling so well.

Something the other two wont have.

A bright future and a lot of butthurt shitposting threads from charizard1605.

Hard to compare with Wii U due to all the missing multiplats.

But I think it's pretty clear that the XBone has definitely got a better line up than the PS4. It's interesting how faith alone has pushed the PS4 sales. Let's hope that Sony doesn't get complacent.

The joke is you think I am a lem.

This post is such marketing dribble, I'm not even sure what to make of it.

Finalstar, by any chance, did you post this on NeoGAF?

You know it's utterly unfair to discredit the ONLY major exclusive fighting game on PS4/X1. You know why? Because last Killer Instinct was released like 20 years ago. So between that and KI 2013, it could've had not existed at all. Would that be better? Whereas Killzone Shadow Fall was a follow up to a 2011 game.

I know KI might not be all that and I'm not a fanboy of it, btw.

Amazingly enough, the Wii U did get a fair number of multiplats in its first year.

So basically, you don't actually have anything to say. Gotcha.

It has a first party studio call Naughty Dog and that is all you need to know!

You're over estimating the power of exclusives. The 360 got by on the same handful of titles with sequel after sequel. The majority get consoles for the multiplats and the PS4 plays them better.

It's funny how people forget that the Xbox had a barren spell for the 2 years before the Xbox One came out and the 360 lived off the same 3 games for it's entire lifetime. There was only really Alan Wake that was a remotely decent new IP for the Xbox. Lems survived then so i don't get why the PS4's lighter first year is so terrible. They haven't done as MS have and held back titles for it and money hatted games.

Overall you can buy the PS4 in good faith that normality will resume and we'll get great games like LBP, Uncharted, GT, God of War and Infamous plus whatever new IPs will roll out this gen. There's a ton of multiplats to play for now. Unless you're buying both you don't buy a console you might have for nearly a decade based off it's first year.

So it's a poor mans PC?

Yes, I was playing Season 2 just this week again as a matter of fact. The problem is the developers and game engine. It's just DLC to a flawed fighting game. I'm glad the game exists, but there is work to be done to put the series back on the map. I said it was decent and it is. That's as good as I can recommend, but I come from a world of Fighters and I literally have 100s of fighting games to play that are simply better games. I won't force myself to play a worse fighting game for long periods just because it's on my newest gaming gaming console. I'm fantastic at the game, btw, so I say this as a good player of the game. As a KI fan, I wish this latest outing was the bees knees, but it's just not. It's a bare-bones release, with a solid fighting engine, but lacks depth needed to elevate the game-play to the next level. There are fighting games a decade old with far more depth. I blame the mediocre developers hired (who thankfully had some help by previous KI devs) who also are gone and have been replaced. It would have been far better to hire an actual fighting game studio (Arc System Works, Capcom, SNK, Namco, etc) and have that previous KI devs help a better studio, that release would have been epic. What happened was the KI talent took a poor studio and made a decent game. A fantastic talented, well-known fighting studio dev combined with that same KI devs (that helped the mediocre dev Double Helix) would have made a fantastic, great fighting game. Perhaps even legendary version of KI. That didn't happen.

Anyways, I said what I need to say. It's not easy a discussion to chat about since you lack the fighting experience I have and you seem more interested in defending the game due to it being a release for Xbone than it being a high caliber release (hence the two quotes despite you being a fighting game fan). I gave my opinions, but objectively the best I can point to again is metacritic (73/100) which I did as well. As far as an in-depth post about the game's issues, I already did that a few times since the game released and it's redundant a discussion on my end again since I know that kind of conversation won't draw out anything but trolls at this point.

I'm not discrediting the game, I'm simply modifying the high praise and credit some levy on the title unfairly simply because KI is an exclusive game despite the critics scores and despite those in the fighting game community explaining the problems with the game and why it's a decent game, and not a great game. I wish it was a great game though, I sincerely do. It's adequate and not terrible, that's true.

I just think it's good for X1's lineup variety, that's all. It's better than nothing, right? And now the game is under the helm of a proper studio, so it can get only better with every season, right?

Anyway, didn't this new season add more tactical options like air combo breakers and air combo counter breakers? That's a step in a good direction, right?

I think it's good for Xbone's variety as well. I didn't say anything to the contrary. It is better than nothing, I said as much above. Again, I'm not saying it's bad the game exists, only that it's not a great game.

Yes to your final questions, although Iron Galaxy the new devs have to work with the framework laid out previously, but it is a good step.

I bought it early because a Sony console hasn't disappointed me yet. Plus I already knew it would have a slow start when it comes to exclusives. All playstation consoles start slow but when it gets rolling....it really takes off. Lastly, Sony supports their consoles a lot longer than the other two. Luckily I am an open gamer and have the funds to buy other consoles. Just bought a refurbished WiiU from Nintendo yesterday morning and CAN NOT YET to play Bayonetta 2. I think it will make a great secondary console and it has a good collection of games I'm interested in. Eventually I will get Xbox One but right now none of their exclusives interest me. I am keeping my eye out on Scalebound (I love Platinum Games), Halo 5 (Halo 4 was meh to me so we will see), Tomb Raider (hoping that makes its way to the PS4) and of course Gears of War ( this will probably be the game that makes me get one). Hopefully they will have a slim xbox one out by then.

But anyway, people are buying PS4s because of hype, previous reputation, marketing, and Nintendo/MS failures. Also PS4 has reached the level where people are buying them because their friends also have them. They don't want to be left out.

Good showing, old sport.

The guarantee that Sony will support the PS4 until it's dying days and tons of great games are bound to be released over the next 6-7 years for it.

I'm not considering the PS4 this year anymore considering how DriveClub turned out and how so many games turned out great on the Xbox One, no point in me getting a 2nd console at this time.

Next year will see how Bloodborn turns out, but the problem is I'm getting my DArk Souls fix right now with Lords of the Fallen, I think it's great...hopefully my hunger for that type of game will still be there when Bloodorn hits, if it turns out great.......the 2 other games that I would get would be TLOU and Resogun, and that other 2D exclusive game that scored really well forgot the name....but Bloodborne alone I doubt wil be enough to push me to get a PS4....will need to see more great exclusives.

There is a game changer for me though, because I'm a huge Silent Hill fan and I get every entry in the series on day 1. So if that PT game or whatever it was called is exclusive to the PS4, I'll have no choice but to get the console, simple as that.

The Piss 4? Seems people these days will throw any words together to come up with what they think is a clever insult.

Congratulations, PC is a gaming platform and exists on SW. But Gue1 made the best observation here. PC and consoles may share many games but they definitely don't cater to the same demographics. Sure, in our super serious gaming world of Gamespot and SW, we know that PC has the best multiplats. But, in the actual real world, where the average consumer will only buy consoles, or will only buy one console for a generation, they look at several factors: Price, brand power (and hype), features, and total games (and how they perform).

So, the PS4 was cheaper than the Xbone, the PS4 has the PS brand and the mega hype behind it (along with the advertising), and also has the multiplat games that people clamor for. In the console realm of hardware, the PS4 has the best multiplats. You can bring up platform wars all you want, but for the average consumer, PC doesn't exist and isn't a part of the equation. Sad, but true.

If reality actually matched SW's perceptions, several things would be different:

1) Wii U would probably be in the lead.

2) Bayonetta 2 sales would exceed Wii U's, people would buy 3-4 copies just to contain that magnificent 10.

3) PC's would be more openly discussed in the average market place.

yup, but you know SW

this is b8, but **** it m8

charizard, you know damn well the only reason both ninty and ms have managed to get lucky with one of their games (sunset overdrive and beyonetta) is because of the extra time they've had to work on them. while ninty and ms were both too busy thinking of ways to make their next gen console relevant someday, sony was busy thinking of 'teh here and now', releasing some of the best games from last generation and the GOAT of all times TLOU. 2012-2013 was ALL PS3 and you know that, so **** off >:(

> inb4 the flop of us

dont even bother, that weak shit dont work on me. youre gonna need a bigger b8 m8. kinda like the op. which was delicious btw. worth every scale.

I nominate you as the biggest marketing tool ever

That's true, while the Wii and 360 kind of fizzled out, the PS3 did continue releasing the games. TLOU, Puppeteer, B2S (one or two I may be missing here).

Those could have been saved and moved over to the PS4 (TLOU got moved, but still).