What, exactly, does the PS4 have left any more?

It's got to be future prospect... At the start the PS4 was the console to buy, and it destroyed the X1 in sales, and just a few months down the line the PS4 will have a bunch of new games to play, so it's not unreasonable for people to still be buying the machine even during its current lull. Just looking to the future and seeing multiplats will un better on PS4 than X1 is enough reason to drive people to buy it.

Let's also not forget outside of NA the X1 is behind the PS4 in popularity. I live in Barcelona and I can tell you, I can't think of a single person I know who is going to buy an Xbox... PS4 on the other hand, hella.

If you think about it there wasn't any more incentive to buy a new console at launch date than there is now. In fact, there's more incentive to buy one now than there was at launch; already released games, future releases are closer, still better quality for multiplats, etc.

It makes sense for people to still be preferring the PS4 to the X1 even right now. Why they ignore the Wii U on the other hand... just perplexes me :(

You really know how to talk complete shit. Kudos.

Sony have said themselves they don't know why the PS4 is selling so well. So this whole sales pitch garbage trying to convey that Sony had this grand plan is total bull. MS have helped the PS4 sell as much as Sony have.

Casuals don't care about power. It was the bad PR from pretty much every outlet, hardcore to casual, that drove the masses to the PS4 at launch.

No reason to own one right now because no games.

For the people that did buy one, at least their purchase is secured knowing the PS4 will be the best console this gen.

You're wrong. Every casual I've seen in every store and at my work talk about how they bought a PS4 or want to buy a PS4 because it's a cheaper, more powerful system. Everyone knows, even the casuals. When the casuals know, it's over. Xbox has no chance.

Casuals consider Xbox One a joke because of the reveal and casuals consider the Wii U a joke because of how badly it sold. It's the cool thing to do to bash on the Xbox One and Wii U, it's all over social media and they're both laughing stocks. The PS4 never gets made fun of because outside of the hardcore gaming community, casuals both don't care about exclusives and don't know that the PS4 lacks them. In the eye of the casuals, the PS4 is a cool system to own and has never been made fun of like the competitors.

Huge amount of effort goes into lame attempt at concern trolling. Backfires and shows just how butthurt they are over Sony's dominance.

Let the Bitter Tears flow.

Thats just crazy....and unfair. The PS4 came out in late 2013....I'm pretty sure a console that had been out around a year more already would get the nod.

Even now...the WiiU is not a bad buy for some ppl...but comparing them with ignoring the fact that one has had a year head start is just....like I said....crazy.

I'm sure by this time next year...the PS4 and possibly the X1 as well...will have enough of a diverse lineup to warrant a buy in most ppls eyes.

Here and now it may not have much, but it has Bloodborne, which could just be one the best games of all time.

I don't really care for your anecdotal evidence. If you want to play that game, I have friends at work who bought a PS4 thinking they were getting free online. That was a nasty surprise for them LOL

Power has never been a deciding factor on who sells the most, because the differences are so negligible that both platforms get the same games regardless. The vast majority don't give it damn.

@RR360DD:

Your claims are less than anecdotal evidence, you don't even have that.

What do you think casuals base their decision on when buying a new system? Casuals know the ps4 is more powerful and want the best versions of madden and cod. Casuals don't care about exclusives. Ps4 is popular and Xbox and Wii u aren't. Casuals make fun of the Xbone and Wii u but have nothing bad to say about the ps4.

These are the reasons why ps4 is dominating. Why do you think ps4 is dominating?

These are the main reasons why I think the PS4 is selling more than the Xbox One.

• The mass majority of console consumers are casuals.
• This generation is different than previous generations due to the rampant prevalence of social media.
• Social media has made sure that even the most casual of casual gamers know that PS4 is both cheaper and more powerful than Xbone.
• The PlayStation brand is much stronger than the Xbox brand and isn't hamstrung by an absurd price this time around ($600 ps3)
• Every single Best Buy and GameStop employee is telling casuals that PS4 is getting the best version of Madden and CoD.
• Exclusives don't matter to casuals so the lack of PS4 exclusives are meaningless when it comes to sales.
• Ever since the reveal, people have made fun of the Xbone whereas no one has made fun of PS4 about anything. Casuals wanna buy the system that's not getting made fun of.
• Sony capitalized on Microsoft getting made fun of for the Xbone and poured fuel on the fire.
• Sony's marketing campaign is much stronger this gen than it was last gen.

The PS4 is grabbing a lead reminiscent of the Wii's lead early on last generation. The only difference is, this time, casuals truly believe the PS4 is the best system due to its power and 3rd party support whereas last gen, even the casuals knew that the Wii was inferior to the HD Twins in terms of power because it was very obvious.

@arkephonic: stopped at 1st bullet point. SONY not a casual console the sales figures and types of games should tell you that.

A casual game is something mundane like angry birds or wii sports.

Sorry but you're wrong. People who play those games aren't even gamers.

Sony just doesn't have it anymore, or rather Japanese console gaming doesn't have it anymore. Long gone are the days of PS1/PS2.

At least there's always emulators and nostalgia.

Yep. Sony and its fastest selling console in history 'doesn't have it anymore.'

At least you put "I think" before that stream of baseless claims.

Reread my post. Western console gaming sucks.

Actually it's better then Japanese console gaming ever was. Seeing as how indies and blockbusters are both welcome, console gaming is currently higher quality, more varied, and offers greater innovation then ever before.

If you are impressed with the games the xbone has to offer you are a sad sad gamer. Both systems currently have sweet FA to play - history tells us sony takes longer to get their games rolling out. Look at the 360 last gen - heaps of games at the start, then nothing. Sony is the opposite - thats why i support them.

I wish I saw it like you did but I just don't. Last western console game I really enjoyed was Last of Us and before that maybe Uncharted 3?

oO uh no dude they actually are? If you play any game you are considered a gamer and mobile games have been stealing PC would be devs left n right over the years.

Gaming has many mediums.

Its gotta be all downhill from here.

@charizard1605: Ok man we get it - the ps4 doesnt have enough JRPGS yet so you cant rotate the camera and look up their skirts. Just wait dude, you will get your fix soon enough.

When I say 90% of console consumers are casual gamers, I mean they do minimal research and don't take the hobby as seriously as people who research gaming, know release dates, know the history, know the exclusives, know all the pros and cons to each system etc.

If what you say is true, that would mean the majority of people buying PS4 systems are hardcore gamers and I just don't see it that way. I think that the vast majority of gamers don't really take the hobby that seriously and it's just a thing they do to kill time and nothing more. I'd be willing to say that people like myself and other knowledgeable posters on sites like this one or Gamefaqs are definitely in the minority. I do run into people IRL that know a lot about gaming, I work with a guy who knows a ton about Nintendo, but it's rare that I meet people like that.

The people only playing Angry Birds or Candy Crush are so casual that they aren't even buying game consoles or gaming PCs at all. There's nothing wrong with being a casual gamer, but 90% (just an estimate) of gamers really don't give enough of a shit to take the time to research gaming. They mostly just go on word of mouth or what their friends have or what they think looks the best from very minimal research.

Lol i enjoy reading lems posts who actually believe the Xbone has a great games library..

Back on PS4, well at the moment lets say its not doing great, still waiting for a few great exclusives..

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/10/17/looking-ahead-to-the-games-of-2015.aspx

Not a bad break down of games on all consoles.

Misses some but does show there is a similar number coming out on Xbox One and PS4.

Better and more games, better hardware, a not-cancerous fanbase, lemming tears. Stronger 2015 line up too, twice as many exclusives on the PS4.

You'd be an expert on that, RR360OD.

LOL!!! what kind of an hypocrite you are ? What did i tell you 3 days ago about Driveclub when you "genuinly" my ass talked about how PS+ fails and you might go mad about it because you cant play DC and how you think Driveclub looks fun and this and that ? Now is a lol game to you because it fits to your topic right ?

Hypocrite at its finnest. You are pathetic officialy , i can prove it right here right now if you want and sir ... be a man and talk your thoughts as they are. Stop being a diplomatic politician ...noone likes them.

As for PS4 yeah lacking games. PS3 did also ... Guess who ended up providing AAA caliber exclusives even few months before next-gen. PS3 did. Where was Wii ? Dead like 3-4 years when PS3 was providing massive AAA exclusives and multis ? You think with wii u will be any different this generation ?

I will quote this topic mr Charizard and ill make one based on what you saying right here , right now when Wii U will be dead and PS4 will go as strong as F. Be ready i wont forget what you saying right now. But i bet when Wii U will lack games youll find you way to PS4 or any other platform so youll forget about Nintendo and youll start praise something else . Pathetic little politician. This will backfire ( already did with what you said about DC few days ago but when the times come will be fun ). Be ready , its getting really close and we gonna talk about what is worthless ( literally ) , pathetic and many more things.

Twice as many exclusives my arse.

Prove it

And dont give me they always do so they will. Show me the twice as many exclusives. Announce/likely exclusives for 2015 are pretty similar in number from the lists I see (see above).

Why is the console selling? Simple. It's the fact they have to choose between the PS4 vs a wii U or xbone! And any logical person is going to walk away with a PS4.

It's because the alternatives are wii (no 3rd party) U and xbox ( for performance, library, exclusives, company support, company consumer practices, multiplats and first party power, not great in any) One--make the decision quite easy.

PS4 is the logical choice for anyone who wants the best over-all current gen system and isn't a nintendo loyalist or Halo fanatic.

An Updated "Home" version for PS4 perhaps? :P

Sony fixed their controller, so they have my attention. They just need to give me a reason to buy their console. So far, I haven't seen anything that makes me say "I've gotta have that!".

Even Char thinks the Playstation will more than justify it's purchase in time, but doesn't want to consider that when asking why people are buying one now. SMH

Most consumers buy consoles as an investment towards the future. It's the fact that most consumers agree with you, Char, that the PS4 is selling so well. Numerous missteps by the rival platforms, and pent up demand for new hardware after an extended 7th gen have given it a boost.

And -while I know it's difficult to understand in here - most consumers don't view the libraries in the ass backwards way SW tries. They don't need a game to exist only for their prospective platform to exist. They just need to see games on the shelves that interest them. Judging by the software sales for the platform, they do.

No we ignore multiplats because they can be played on at least two tother platforms. For a lot of them there are last gen versions and you can play them on 360 and ps3 in addition to PC xbone and Ps4. Mutlipalts are not a good reason to buy a Ps4. And yes the PS4 versions will look better but if that truely mattered that much you would have a gaming PC and the PS4 has no place beside a gaming PC because it has no exclusives. There is no real point in owning a PS4 yet.

lol.. still dancing. enjoy your short lived victories.. This thread will come back to bit you in the Ass very soon.

Heck if I know, I hardly play my brother's PS4. I just stick to my PC, Wii U, and 3DS for the most part.

Dude, stop being an idiot. I said, myself, in this very thread, I underscored and highlighted my belief that the PS4 will be the best console in the long run, that as early as next year, it will have great content. I am talking in the here and now, when it is an entirely worthless machine. This thread won't come back and bite me in the ass if the PS4 does well, it basically vindicates everything I am saying.

It has hype, tons and tons of hype.

Strange how nintendo was right about visuals. Also strange how the wiiu is the only console worth owning. Better off building a pc than get ps4.

We as in sheep or we as in hermits? But I guess that doesn't really matter. You ignore multiplats because they can be played on other platforms. But does that negate their existence? Sure, some games have last gen versions, but that is being phased out or shown to have some serious effects (Shadows of Mordor being a prime example). Multiplats are a good reason to own any console really, since multiplats are big sellers. Just because you want the better looking multiplat doesn't mean you would have a gaming PC. The average consumer does not want a gaming PC. Even people on here, who game a lot more than the average consumer, may not want a gaming PC.

Somehow, it seems that SW has a hard time separating the reality of SW with the actual real-world marketplace.

lol you sound mad bro..

Stop trying to place the WiiU on some sort of pedestal and act like rehashes of 30+ yr old franchises are some sort of victory for an already losing platform.

We as in non-crazy logical people. Aside from multiplats the only thing the PS4 has is Infamous. If you want to play multiplats you probably have a 360 or PS3 that can get the job done. If your argument is wanting better multiplats a PC is the answer. Until the Ps4 has good games that you can't get anywhere else there is no point in owning one.

And you've officially stepped into the territory of nonsensical trolling. It was fun while proper, intelligent conversation lasted, though.

@inb4uall:

PC is by far the best for multiplats, but casual gamers aren't into gaming enough to spend a couple thousand on a gaming PC. I know you can get a gaming PC for cheaper, but you're looking at roughly $2000 if you wanna play each and every game at max settings with top performance. PC gaming is cheaper in the long run because of free online and steam sales, but for a casual gamer who just wants Madden and CoD, PS4 gives them the best outlet to play those. It's the most powerful console at a good price. PS4 is a perfect console for casual gamers and casuals dominate the market. The Wii U is basically for Nintendo lovers like me. My girlfriend just bought me a Toad keychain because she knows he's my favorite member of the Mushroom Kingdom.

I think I just said all this, but it looks like I have to repeat myself. Some games have last gen versions, but they are being phased out or have some serious effects to them (Shadow of Mordors doesn't even have the Nemesis System on the last gen consoles). You have games like Batman Arkham Knight that ditched last gen, a big multiplat. AC Unity ditched last gen. You can only hold onto the last gen for so long. For the apparently "non-crazy logical people", it seems that you can't compute that people want to upgrade from last gen, since there are games that are not coming out to last gen. And, there are people who want a better experience, but don't want to get into PC gaming for a myriad of reasons (cost, technical barrier, upgrading, troubleshooting, etc.)

Playing multiplats better doesn't make it entirely worthless.

While Better not by much that's all the market needs to know is that it is BETTER. Not every consumer is as rabid as we are and all they need to know is A) Are my friends buying it? B) Does it play games better than the other machine.

The machine has to be selling for some reason and everytime someone says "the ps4 has no games" I laugh. Listen the exclusives might not be rolling out but they did for the PS3 and were ultimately some of the top games of last gen.
MGS4, Demon Souls, Uncharted 2, Infamous, Journey, The Last of us, Beyond Two Souls, Resistance 3. Were not a year in yet. While I do agree the one is having a better fall but only because of SSoD Sony has games coming and while yeah we haven't seen the exclusives yet we're one year in, in what could be a 10 year cycle.

And a Ps4 still wouldn't be the answer? Even with your weird stipulations that people want to upgrade, they want a better but not the best experience and they don't want a PC then the answer would be to get an Xbox One because it at least has some halfway decent exclusives. I mean you can keep moving the goal posts and adding silly restrictions about what some theoretical person might want, but at the end of the day the PS4 is just not appealing at all.