What, exactly, does the PS4 have left any more?

What stipulations? Moving what goal posts? What restrictions? Are you so narrow minded that you can't see why people would want the PS4, or even what this thread is asking about? Saying that the average consumer, hell, even the average gamer doesn't want to jump into PC gaming is by no means making a stipulation or a restriction or moving the goal posts, it's just reality. Saying that the last gen consoles are being phased out and that multiplats are not coming to them is not a stipulation, it's reality. You think people wanting to upgrade to the newest generation of consoles is a weird stipulation? It happens every generation.

First question of the thread asks why the PS4 is selling: "With the recent announcement that Resogun is going to the Playstation Vita as well, I have a serious, genuine question right now- why exactly is this console selling? What does it have to warrant the sales?"

So yeah, we are looking at the consumers, or as you put it, "theoretical person". We're looking at who is buying the console, and why. Somehow, this is really hard for you to understand. Throughout all your rambling, you say the PS4 isn't appealing. If it isn't appealing to you, I don't think anyone really cares. But if you're saying that the PS4 isn't appealing in general, then you're just mistaken since it is doing extremely well. You continue to fail in seeing some incredibly obvious and simple points here, but I'll break it down for you:

• Price: PS4 was cheaper than the Xbone for several months, and we've seen the Xbone go from $500 all the way down to $350 in less than a year to boost its sales.
• Hype: Astronomically high for PS4, especially with Xbone's early blunders and PR missteps.
• Advertising: Sony has stepped up to the advertising plate and trying much, much harder to sell their console than they did with the PS3
• Perception: The PS4 has better multiplats than the Xbone, and that holds weight for some people.
• Brand: It's the PS brand, enough said.

@charizard1605:

lol

Every conversation with you begins and ends with Nintendo.. there's nothing intelligent about that.

Have a good night.

The best version of 99% of multiplats for those who can't be bothered to build a PC

Just want to point out, both these games were criticised only for content and both have had a lot added since. FM5 has gotten free tracks and cars since release.

The cows want to act like the 9 score doesn't exist and all of a sudden only metacritic counts in SWs.

So hilariously pathetic.

Sony has been the top selling console maker each month/year for seventeen out of the past twenty years with the only break being the three years or so the Wii fad was in full force.

Sony's consoles have sold 105 milion PS1s, 155 million PS2s, 85 million(and most likely close to 100 million by the time it stops being sold) PS3s, and the PS4 is the fastest selling console in history(or at the very least is tied with the Wii).

Sony has the largest and most diverse first party studio lineup and the company with the strongest support from all three major console regions - Japan, the US, and Europe.

Sony's hardware and software have utterly dominated the console market over the past twenty years.

So some random fanboy on some messageboard wishes it wasn't so? Sucks to be you.

The gaming world has spoken. Deal with it. Don't deal with it. No one cares.

Clearly Sony intends to have their launch line-up be their whole library for the entire gen. Indisputable fact.

I think it took a little longer than 1 year for the Wii U to get a decent enough game to consider buying an Wii U and still to this date we haven't got a new edition to the mario world properly, nor a Zelda, and it's took this long to get Smash Bros. so every big hitter for the Wii U is more likely coming end of next year that near 3 years into the console.

No console should be all about the here and now, the PS4 and the Xbox One have had the best launch line up of any generation, exclusive wise you can't really say a game is on PS4 but it's also on PS Vita, hardly anyone has a PS Vita and the reason people have Vita's now is so they can link it to the PS4, next year is huge for both of the big consoles, which is about right for the big releases to come anyway, it always takes a year or 2, to get the big hitters out, your clutching at straws.

"Why exactly is this console selling?"

I guess the best answer is that it's the best hardware for the cost. Maybe not right now that the X1 got yet another price cut, but with the installed base and the momentum from the very start still lingering, I see it as only natural to continue so. There is a positive image going for it and a negative one still having an effect on the X1, which may not be completely remedied by a price cut.

I don't understand why the WiiU is not selling more though.

Myself personally I would not ever choose one opinion when deciding a games worth.....I always look at several sources. And as for GS....I've always found their scores least applicable.

Excellent post with valid points and I'll add that FM5 remains the best sim racer on consoles with it's 1080P 60 fps and next gen physics and drivatars. To heck with cows, they always gonna cow just like this gen, they want to count indies when previous gens when an indie was used ( XBLA ) in the metagame they would always tell you they don't count and strangely the mods agreed, weird I know. We use GS scores in SW PEROD, that's how it's always been.

@charizard1605: You said it yourself. Longevity. When you combine that with the fact that most if not all multiplats are superior on the PS4 (if you exclude PC which even for a mid range PC, is still way out of the range of most gamers)

So the reason right now? Price and Multiplats

Reaons for the future? pretty self explanitory

This thread is pointless

You seem upset. The playstation brand selling well in the past is no reason for it to continue selling. As for 1st party studios we've seen nothing but garbage out of them so far. There's no reason for an informed gamer to by a Ps4. Deal with that. ;)

I agree completely. The bad PR from MS has scared a lot of people into buying the PS4 hype and Sony took advantage of it, let alone the price of the console as well. Sony has always relied on hype and taking advantage of weaknesses of competitors products to boost Playstation sales since the PS1

Nothing.

There's a lot of goal post moving. They also count multiplats this gen because of the lack of games released in general. But last gen they said 'the 360 has no games' because of multiplats and a lack of exclusives towards the end, acting like multiplats weren't games. They also tell us a game on the X1 and 360 is multiplat, yet start talking about 'PS family' when it's them. Then my absolute favourite, the acceptance of subscription fees.

LOL at the filthy lemmings attempt at denial that the PS4 will dominate their garbage system just because Sony hasn't revealed their entire hand.

Must be because no more games are in development....... LMAO

Sure it would great if the PS4 had the legendary holiday lineup PS2 had in 2001.

Regardless as always, TLHBO

another cow meltdown.

@MBirdy88:

Sure because Sony isn't making any more games for the PS4 and MS' 1st party is suddenly amazing...........LMAO

TLHBO

abandon ship!

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad". - Shigeru Miyamoto

Microsoft can rush their exclusives out the door all they want in desperation. I'll gladly wait for the top tier exclusives on the Sony and Nintendo machines. I've been gaming long enough to know that the greatest games have long development cycles, especially when they need to build new engines for a new generations of consoles. I never once expected a huge lineup of games in the first year, or even the 2nd. Right around the 3rd and 4th year is when you start seeing the games come out that are taking full advantage of the system with engines built from the ground up for them. Right now, we're seeing rushed exclusives and cross platform multiplat games being released on last gen and current gen systems using last gen engines and assets. Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty games may be fun, but that shit is still last gen shit whether you like it or not. Xbone's exclusives are rushed and look like shit. Waiting is bothersome to some people, but I have no problem waiting because I'm patient and I also have the master race gaming PC to keep me busy while I wait. What I do know, is that in the next year or two, the PS4 exclusives with long development cycles will come out and Lems will say they suck but they'll be the generation defining games just like PS3 had last gen.

sad thing is MS first party is doing better at the moment.... but then greatness awaits.

@MBirdy88:

Sad thing is besides Halo and Forza MS doesn't have much else......

TLHBO

neither have "much else". pathetic excuse for consoles.

@MBirdy88:

You need to brush up on your history if you honestly think that.

Enjoy your homework.

Q - "What does PS4 have left?"

A - Fun

You mean like DriveClub?

lulz desperate answer. you need games to be fun.

Well in my case PS4 is fun considering I already own 16 games..

Probably in your area they just sell the PS4 console but not games.. that is why you think PS4 doesn't have games.. Try buying online :)

@charizard1605:

The PS4 is selling because there is a world outside of SW forums, and in that world, people wanted PS4 and the games available for it.

Got gist I know, but imo just because a product is purchased by a certain demographic doesn't mean the product itself changed.

Difference between individuals and products aka a label thing.

I go by different criteria as lets face it there really isn't a unanimous definition for casual gamer, hardcore gamer, true gamer, whatever gamer.

I think it's absolutely stupid to ask if the PS4 has anything left when it's barely even been out for a year.

Exactly. Greatness awaits.

@Senor_Kami: I wonder if he laid the same criticism towards the Wii/Wii U back when they first launched.

Nintendo's fans put me off so much that they make me NOT want to buy a Wii U.

Gameless Over All Time?

Better than what the Wii or Wii U had in their first year.

QFT and a big AMEN.

Fastest selling console in the history of video games and by golly for good reasons.

grasping.

Yeah , exactly. He is bashing in a diplomatic way , thats all he does. We all know it .

I have enough Amazon credit to buy two PS4s right now and even if it get discounted during the holiday sales there really aren't any games for it now for me to justify the purchase. I'm thinking of what upcoming PS4 games too that will make me want to get one and it's coming up blank. I just don't know, maybe Uncharted 4 but who knows when that will come out. Right now I'm enjoying Sunset Overdrive and soon Master Chief collection and I already have a backlog for the Xbox One. So I already know if the PS4 gets to my price range of $300 or even less during the holidays, I may just get it to replace my PS3 as an extra blu-ray player in the bedroom. I have some PS credit too I haven't used in years as well, it's just sitting there. I just don't know. Maybe 2015 is when the PS4 will have some greatness like they promised, I don't know.

it seems the PS4 still has the highest rated game on metacritic compared to wii u and xbox one. so i guess there is that :/

nice try

just realized x1 highest rated game is a multiplat LOL

Updates to fix their bumble updates....

PS4s highest rated game is a multiplat LOL

But they still have Driveclub and network issues to be proud of....

x1's highest rated game is playable on PS4

LOL

Also, TLoU Remastered is PS4 Exclusive

maybe x1 will get a game in the 90's someday

Maybe PS4 will get an AAAE one day...

Xbox and Wii U already have theirs. LOL

Yeah I suppose having the biggest flop and screw-up so far this gen is something to be pretty proud of.

Well done cows.

Metacritic > 1 website

damage control lmao

also which game scored a 10 for x1? Lol?

LOL those tears.

Hiding behind the Wii U now? Cows are so desperate when they have no games