Why Bioshock, Gears, Mass Effect ARE exclusive

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]No. Like it or not, the consoles DO compete with PCs. I know they certainly do for me. L1qu1dSword

If Windows and Xbox are owned by MS how exactly is this competion?

Besides I never said that anyways. I said they do not compete in the same manner as PS3 and 360 do.

are you that fing stupid? Flame off man

M$ owns widnows NOT PC GAMING Nobody owns PC gaming. I certainly never said that. Being sole proprieter of the OS that 95 percent of people use does not hurt though does it? that dosent mean theymake any money per game

they do not make money off of the games Specifically we are talking about MS produced 360 ports and yes they do only M$ game studio ones, they wont make anything off of say, assasins creed for the PC

they make money off of every f'n game you buy for the x360 OK....

they dont make jack off of PC games See above...See above...

M$ dosent controle PC gamign in any way See above... See above...

they cant controle the content

they dont do microtransactions WTF are you even ranting about chill! know your stuff f00

they are compleatly seperate Yeah the whole OS thing......no. OS =/= games

PC gaming =/= M$ I never even said that so why dispute your saying that PC games count as M$ exclusives if they are on the x360 so yes, infact, you are

if a game is x360/PC IT IS NOTM$ 360 EXCLUSIVE however it is MS exclusive ;)

NOOOOOOOOOOO

why would you use linux if you want to play the latest pc games?

ParadiddleFill

so you don't have to use Windows?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Is there a 2K Boston Gaming system that I don't know about?shadow_hosi

you choose to play on a sony laptop

if you wanna pc game you pretty much cant choose what OS to use

vandal, get on steam, also, l1qu1d kinda makes me want to cry

ignorance must indeed be bliss :'(

Dude look at yourself. Picture adults having a serious discussion in a room only to have a loud obnoxious twelve year old burst into the room blurting out slured obscenities and ranting on in fragmented arguments with maybe 5 percent of the points you make actually pertinent to the discussion. To top it off, just like an impatient child, you reposted your nonsensical rant before i barely had a chance to recover from reading it the first time. If you want to disprove me aim for this:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Cows argue against it because the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

The solution is that in terms of Gears of War and similar ports it is a MS EXCLUSIVE.

We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Wrong. Your WAY out in left field man.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Is there a 2K Boston Gaming system that I don't know about?shadow_hosi

you choose to play on a sony laptop

if you wanna pc game you pretty much cant choose what OS to use

vandal, get on steam, also, l1qu1d kinda makes me want to cry

ignorance must indeed be bliss :'(

Dude look at yourself. Picture adults having a serious discussion in a room only to have a loud obnoxious twelve year old burst into the room blurting out slured obscenities and ranting on in fragmented arguments with 95 percent of the points you make actually pertinent to the discussion. To top it off, just like an impatient child, you reposted your nonsensical rant before i barely had a chance to recover from reading it the first time. If you want to disprove me aim for this:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Cows argue against it because the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

The solution is that in terms of Gears of War and similar ports it is a MS EXCLUSIVE.

We can talk Wine and Steam all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Wrong. Your WAY out in left field man.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

why would you use linux if you want to play the latest pc games?

Hewkii

so you don't have to use Windows?

and miss out on being able to play the latest pc games? no thanks

and miss out on being able to play the latest pc games? no thanks

ParadiddleFill

it's not like they'll always be incompatible.

I went to my local Walmart last week and saw Gears for the 360 and PC.

That's funny -- I thought it was exclusive. It isn't. If it is on another platform (PC Gaming is another platform, by the way), it is not exclusive.

I don't care if "PC" is Microsoft, if it is on another platform (handheld, console, mobile, PC, etc.), it is NOT exclusive. Exclusive because its not on Wii or PS3? That is stupid to classify it as.

funny part most of the people who talk about how great linux os is and what not still use windows hahaParadiddleFill

convenience isn't the issue; the ability to is.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yes ive heard of whine i use linux as my dual OS like i said before most people have no clue when it comes to CLI commands on linux, you have to learn it. most people like the ease of windows with simple click and install plus whine has alot of bugs when it comes to some of the coding. Ive used linux for about two years with whine and I can tell you windows os is much betterParadiddleFill

there are still alot of software that do not work with whine like gears of war or bioshock why would you use linux if you want to play the latest pc games?

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

and miss out on being able to play the latest pc games? no thanks

Hewkii

it's not like they'll always be incompatible.

it depends there are still games that are 4 years old that I still havent found on the wine database

We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? L1qu1dSword

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Is there a 2K Boston Gaming system that I don't know about?L1qu1dSword

you choose to play on a sony laptop

if you wanna pc game you pretty much cant choose what OS to use

vandal, get on steam, also, l1qu1d kinda makes me want to cry

ignorance must indeed be bliss :'(

Dude look at yourself. Picture adults having a serious discussion in a room only to have a loud obnoxious twelve year old burst into the room blurting out slured obscenities and ranting on in fragmented arguments with maybe 5 percent of the points you make actually pertinent to the discussion. To top it off, just like an impatient child, you reposted your nonsensical rant before i barely had a chance to recover from reading it the first time. If you want to disprove me aim for this:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Cows argue against it because the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

The solution is that in terms of Gears of War and similar ports it is a MS EXCLUSIVE. IT IS ONLY A M$ EXCLUSIVE BECAUSE THEY PUBLISHED IT, if it was published by, say, EA, no, it owuld not be M$ exclusive, it would be a game for PC and X360, wich does not make it M$ exclusive because M$ is not involved in the game in any way 90% of the games that are shared only between x360 and PC are NOT exclusive, C&C3 is NOT a M$ exclusive, WiC is NOT a M$ exclusive, SupCom is NOT a M$ exclusive

We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Wrong. Your WAY out in left field man. linux is still PC its just a different OS, its like the x360 core and x360 premium, 2 parts of the same whole,

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]No. Like it or not, the consoles DO compete with PCs. I know they certainly do for me. shadow_hosi

If Windows and Xbox are owned by MS how exactly is this competion?

Besides I never said that anyways. I said they do not compete in the same manner as PS3 and 360 do.

are you that fing stupid? Flame off man

M$ owns widnows NOT PC GAMING Nobody owns PC gaming. I certainly never said that. Being sole proprieter of the OS that 95 percent of people use does not hurt though does it? that dosent mean theymake any money per game

they do not make money off of the games Specifically we are talking about MS produced 360 ports and yes they do only M$ game studio ones, they wont make anything off of say, assasins creed for the PC Poor example seeing as that game was PS3 from the start. Actually that completely invalidates it and pretty much every subsequent argument made here. Im talking MS Exclusives such as Bioshock or Gears of War. You must be braindead to think ACREED is applicable to the discussion but more likely you just didnt read my actual arguments which is the impression I had of you since the start.

they make money off of every f'n game you buy for the x360 OK....

they dont make jack off of PC games See above...See above...See Above...

M$ dosent controle PC gamign in any way See above... See above...See Above...

they cant controle the content

they dont do microtransactions WTF are you even ranting about chill! know your stuff f00You are rapidly proving to be somone I dont feel like discussing anything with. Noy because you are in any way correct but because there are adults here I would rather talk to and playtime is almst over unless you pull a sharp turn and actually address my points.

they are compleatly seperate Yeah the whole OS thing......no. OS =/= games

PC gaming =/= M$ I never even said that so why dispute your saying that PC games count as M$ exclusives if they are on the x360 so yes, infact, you areLOL OMG NO copy past where I said that. Looks to me like you paraphrased me and in the process lost all meaning I was conveying.

if a game is x360/PC IT IS NOTM$ 360 EXCLUSIVE however it is MS exclusive ;) Darn tootin!

NOOOOOOOOOOO

IT IS STILL NOT EXCLUSIVE TO M$ UNLESS IT WAS MADE/PRODUCED BY M$ GAME STUDIOS

STOP RIGHT THERE AND READ MY FREAKING THREAD LOL

THEY WONT SEE ANY MONEY FROMIT EVEN IF IT IS MULTIPLAY THAST LIKE SAYING THAT M$ MAKES MONEY OFF OF THE PS3 ASSASSINS CREED

Ughhhhh see above...........

BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT ON THEIR PLATFORM TOO

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yes ive heard of whine i use linux as my dual OS like i said before most people have no clue when it comes to CLI commands on linux, you have to learn it. most people like the ease of windows with simple click and install plus whine has alot of bugs when it comes to some of the coding. Ive used linux for about two years with whine and I can tell you windows os is much betterVandalvideo

there are still alot of software that do not work with whine like gears of war or bioshock why would you use linux if you want to play the latest pc games?

you havent proved me anything wine still doesnt have alot of pc games in its database like gears of war, bioshock and crysis. You dont have to use microsoft os to play some pc games but to have the ability to play them all you need windows

you havent proved me anything wine still doesnt have alot of pc games in its database like gears of war, bioshock and crysis. You dont have to use microsoft os to play some pc games but to have the ability to play them all you need windowsParadiddleFill

The fact of the matter is that I have a few friends who own PC's and either Wii's, PS3's, or 360's....What do they buy the multiplats on? PC Is this a representation of any one group of people? No, I'm not saying that at all but you can't just discount the PC as not in the same competition. Now, this has become a war of terminology. We have a very simple word "exclusive" here and everyone knows the meaning, the problem is that a few people try to say that business should dictate the meaning now. No, what people need to realize is that "exclusives" are not the end all be all in the market and that we should always look at the full library of any system. And the term "console exclusive" is ridiculous in my opinion. The competition is still there when it comes to game sales (Between PC and consoles) so it's just used as a way for one fanboy group to try to lord it over another. In turn hiding behind the PC by one group is just as bad, especially when they only show love for the PC when it comes to those games. Using a full library argument gets rid of this problem while still having the same affect on fanboys. I myself am stuck in the middle as I have a PC and PS3.Ibacai

but you realise l1qu1dsword will say that your comment is off topic of his point and therefore ignore it right?

i basicly told him that(not as many fancy words)a while back and i was, apparently, talking about things he wasnt

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Vandalvideo

its not legit microsoft even created software to check for wine configuration in the registry and block them from being used

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? ParadiddleFill

its not legit microsoft even created software to check for wine configuration in the registry and block them from being used

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]you havent proved me anything wine still doesnt have alot of pc games in its database like gears of war, bioshock and crysis. You dont have to use microsoft os to play some pc games but to have the ability to play them all you need windowsVandalvideo

and like I said you dont need windows to play some games but you need it to play them all. And if you buy a gaming pc why wouldent you use windows

whine is still missing alot of games so its a moot point

I went to my local Walmart last week and saw Gears for the 360 and PC.

That's funny -- I thought it was exclusive. It isn't. If it is on another platform (PC Gaming is another platform, by the way), it is not exclusive.

I don't care if "PC" is Microsoft, if it is on another platform (handheld, console, mobile, PC, etc.), it is NOT exclusive. Exclusive because its not on Wii or PS3? That is stupid to classify it as.

-Karmum-

No. Here is why( probably the 7th time pasting this but it seems the beligerant ones cant argue the actual points of the discussion)

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Cows argue against it because the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

Gears is only available for Windows and 360 ---> It is an MS exclusive.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Vandalvideo

its not legit microsoft even created software to check for wine configuration in the registry and block them from being used

its legit in the unix open source enviorment but when you take software that costs money and is used on a closed platform like windows then there is something mischief about it

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Vandalvideo

its not legit microsoft even created software to check for wine configuration in the registry and block them from being used

its legit in the unix open source enviorment but when you take the software thats designed for a closed platform like windows then there is something mischief about it

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Is there a 2K Boston Gaming system that I don't know about?L1qu1dSword

you choose to play on a sony laptop

if you wanna pc game you pretty much cant choose what OS to use

vandal, get on steam, also, l1qu1d kinda makes me want to cry

ignorance must indeed be bliss :'(

Dude look at yourself. Picture adults having a serious discussion in a room only to have a loud obnoxious twelve year old burst into the room blurting out slured obscenities and ranting on in fragmented arguments with maybe 5 percent of the points you make actually pertinent to the discussion. To top it off, just like an impatient child, you reposted your nonsensical rant before i barely had a chance to recover from reading it the first time. If you want to disprove me aim for this:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Cows argue against it because the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

The solution is that in terms of Gears of War and similar ports it is a MS EXCLUSIVE.

We can talk Wine all day but why stop there? I mean with software emuiation you could technically play ANY game on PC therefore there are NO exclusives right? Wrong. Your WAY out in left field man.

First off, you have, this ENTIRE THREAD, been stating that it is incorrect to say that Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ---> 360 is incorrect which is ENTIRELY your opinion. You've been stating this as a fact which is 100% incorrect.

By your logic, any game that is PC exclusive is also MS exclusive just because MS owns windows. This is also completely false.

You've also complained about other people being too technical with the definitions of certain expressions which is why you started saying things like MLB 08 The Show is not PS3 exclusive but it's Sony exclusive. You use this argument saying that they are the same game on multiple platforms and therefore it can't be PS3 exclusive. If this were true, then nobody would buy the PS3 version, they'd just buy the PS2 version and play it on the PS3 since they are the same game. They aren't the same game though, there's only one Next gen MLB 08 The Show and it's on the PS3. I'm not here to argue technicalities, I'm just saying that implying the The Show for PS3, PS2, and PSP are all the same game is 100% incorrect. They have the same name, but they are no where near the same game. Gears, however, is the same game, sure, the PC got some extra content due to extra time for development, but it's still the same game. Again, it's all technicalities, technicalites that I don't want to argue.

Now:

Why did you create this thread? It seems to me that all you wanted to do was to try and invent a term (MS exclusive) that makes your beloved 360 sound better. It seems like you would like to be able to claim that it still has gears as an exclusive title. You realize that it's no longer 360 exclusive, but you'd still like to include it in your future arguments so you invent this new 'ms exclusive' term.

I guess my point is, why not just call it what it is?....it's gears of war, available only on PC and 360 (and MAC if you want to be technical). Are you trying to argue that Gears not being on PS3 hurts the PS3? Well, no kidding, any game not on the PS3 hurts the PS3. That's just stating the obvious and everybody knows it and we didn't need this thread.

and like I said you dont need windows to play some games but you need it to play them all. And if you buy a gaming pc why wouldent you use windows whine is still missing alot of games so its a moot point ParadiddleFill

its legit in the unix open source enviorment but when you take software that costs money and is used on a closed platform like windows then there is something mischief about itParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]funny part most of the people who talk about how great linux os is and what not still use windows hahaHewkii

convenience isn't the issue; the ability to is.

if thats the case then there are no exclusives. all can be emulated on pc.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and like I said you dont need windows to play some games but you need it to play them all. And if you buy a gaming pc why wouldent you use windows whine is still missing alot of games so its a moot point Vandalvideo

show me where i said pc gaming is an MS platform and you win. no paraphrasing either.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and like I said you dont need windows to play some games but you need it to play them all. And if you buy a gaming pc why wouldent you use windows whine is still missing alot of games so its a moot point Vandalvideo

look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine

show me where i said pc gaming is an MS platform and you win. no paraphrasing either.L1qu1dSword

look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine ParadiddleFill

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The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console this is system wars not cosnole wars of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not. you disclude the PC because its to different, but it still is in direct compititoon therefore it does still count vs exclusives

read this very carefully PC IS IN DIRECT COMPITITION WITH THE CONSOLES

there is the 'console market'

and there is the 'gaming market'

console market is a part of the gaming market, thus, direct compitition

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX. M$ profits have nothing to do with PC Gaming, if gaming declines on the PC they will barley notice it because most people use their PCs for everything not just gaming, therefore, ***this is where you made yhour first mistake*** also: at the time DirectX was FREE and they werent making money off of it

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. its still stronger than cosnole gaming The implication is that it will cease alltogether and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. Steam and D2D are the reason for this not beacuse less people buy games, and these digital distribution sales are not counted on the NDP therefore PC gaming is far stronger than you realise This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure. Actually it is.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC gears going to pc does make it non exlusive, exclusive is based off of the system its on not by the company, are you new to SW or something to not know that?

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo. thats ok ill go play it on linux

L1qu1dSword

there you go, direct, on topic reply for your simple mindedness

also: Mass Effect and Bioshock ARE non exclusives

M$ was not involved with them in any way/shape/form other than taking royalties for it being on the x360

if thats the case then there are no exclusives. all can be emulated on pc.

L1qu1dSword

if you say so, sure.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine Vandalvideo

my argument has always been that in order to play all pc games new and old you need windows

and just out of curiosity what os are your running right now?

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and like I said you dont need windows to play some games but you need it to play them all. And if you buy a gaming pc why wouldent you use windows whine is still missing alot of games so its a moot point Vandalvideo

WINE is invalidated by this simple statement. You could technically build your very own third party console that could play everything and the existence of said machine would render all exclusives for all platforms null and void( this is sounding more and more like something an evil villain from an adult swim show would do lol) and there would be chaos!

Remember you said yourself that convenience is not an issue but rather your ability to do so!

Point is if it has the Windows logo on it the game is designed specifically with DirectX in mind and even if you build your own console or use emulation I would still say this don't count because then everything has to be thrown out and for the purposes of system wars things are even less practical then they are now.

Ive heard quite enough wHine from you.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine ParadiddleFill

my argument has always been that in order to play all pc games new and old you need windows

and just out of curiosity what os are your running right now?

hes gonna say wine when we all know he has the start menu staring back at him as i type this :roll:

nice argument man

however, here is another argument:

(PS3) = (X360) = /= (X360 --> PC)

so x360 exclusives are somewhat of a lesser exclusive value if they end up on the PC.

but i understand your argument though.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine ParadiddleFill

my argument has always been that in order to play all pc games new and old you need windows

and just out of curiosity what os are your running right now?

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

if thats the case then there are no exclusives. all can be emulated on pc.

Hewkii

if you say so, sure.

actually i don't. this is a further iteration of your own flawed logic.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine L1qu1dSword

my argument has always been that in order to play all pc games new and old you need windows

and just out of curiosity what os are your running right now?

hes gonna say wine when we all know he has the start menu staring back at him as i type this :roll:

lol thats for sure, he talks about that wine is missing niche games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis haha

WINE is invalidated by this simple statement. You could technically build your very own third party console that could play everything and the existence of said machine would render all exclusives for all platforms null and void( this is sounding more and more like something an evil villain from an adult swim show would do lol) and there would be chaos!Remember you said yourself that convenience is not an issue but rather your ability to do so!Point is if it has the Windows logo on it the game is designed specifically with DirectX in mind and even if you build your own console or use emulation I would still say this don't count because then everything has to be thrown out and for the purposes of system wars things are even less practical then they are now.L1qu1dSword

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine Vandalvideo

my argument has always been that in order to play all pc games new and old you need windows

and just out of curiosity what os are your running right now?

Who cares. I made the topic of discussion and I proved you wrong while YOU did not even touch on the main points I made. Whats with all the annoying people with kirby icons right now anyways? Just in case you wanted another stab at it I relocated the main condensed topic statement to the initial post at the bottom in red.

lol thats for sure, he talks about that wine is missing niche games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis hahaParadiddleFill

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine Vandalvideo

my argument has always been that in order to play all pc games new and old you need windows

and just out of curiosity what os are your running right now?

in a way it is because if you want to be a serious pc gamer then windows is the only OS you can choose from

I agree.

Regardless of whether SW defines Gears as "exclusive" or not, the fact still stands that Gears 360 still makes up a part of the competitive advantage of that console vis-a-vis the PS3. And in the end, it's business that matters, not SW's definitions.

fuzzysquash

Who cares. I made the topic of discussion and I proved you wrong while YOU did not even touch on the main points I made. Whats with all the annoying people with kirby icons right now anyways? Just in case you wanted another stab at it I relocated the main condensed topic statement to the initial post at the bottom in red.L1qu1dSword

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]WINE is invalidated by this simple statement. You could technically build your very own third party console that could play everything and the existence of said machine would render all exclusives for all platforms null and void( this is sounding more and more like something an evil villain from an adult swim show would do lol) and there would be chaos!Remember you said yourself that convenience is not an issue but rather your ability to do so!Point is if it has the Windows logo on it the game is designed specifically with DirectX in mind and even if you build your own console or use emulation I would still say this don't count because then everything has to be thrown out and for the purposes of system wars things are even less practical then they are now.Vandalvideo

Hardly. Open the Xbox and you find all kinds of peripherals made by companies other then MS. This include the processor, video card, etc....

Point is everything else you need SOFTWARE wise is WINDOWS!

AND YES I ALLREADY ANSWERED THAT!!!!:evil:

actually i don't. this is a further iteration of your own flawed logic.

L1qu1dSword

I see no conflict with it, though, so it doesn't "teach me a lesson" or make me a hypocrite like most successful uses of the technique would.