Why Bioshock, Gears, Mass Effect ARE exclusive

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]lol thats for sure, he talks about that wine is missing niche games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis hahaParadiddleFill

dude it still doesnt have games that I played four years ago

Hardly. Open the Xbox and you find all kinds of peripherals made by companies other then MS. This include the processor, video card, etc....Point is everything else you need SOFTWARE wise is WINDOWS! AND YES I ALLREADY ANSWERED THAT!!!!:evil:L1qu1dSword

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Who cares. I made the topic of discussion and I proved you wrong while YOU did not even touch on the main points I made. Whats with all the annoying people with kirby icons right now anyways? Just in case you wanted another stab at it I relocated the main condensed topic statement to the initial post at the bottom in red.Vandalvideo

A.) exclusivity does not require that the console company own the game developer itself.

B.)No but it includes the essential component the Windows OS. Don't tell me convenience is not an issue because then I can just say emulate everything on PC or build your own box that plays all games. It's possible ;)

C.)Funny thing is all this software comes with windows. If you are talkig peripherals like Video Card that is pointless because the 360 has all kinds of third party peripherals. What you think MS made the video card for 360?

And yeah I did prove you wrong before because I know there are responses I made to you that you did NOT reply on yet. Im not going to bother copy pasting them go get them or I win.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]lol thats for sure, he talks about that wine is missing niche games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis hahaVandalvideo

dude it still doesnt have games that I played four years ago

and like I said many times before most pc gamers run windows in order to play the newest pc games which you are required to have windows and not any unix based platform

thats still not alot i mean wine has games from 1992-2008 games like nba08 but thats 16 years of pc gaming with only around 6,000 titles?

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Who cares. I made the topic of discussion and I proved you wrong while YOU did not even touch on the main points I made. Whats with all the annoying people with kirby icons right now anyways? Just in case you wanted another stab at it I relocated the main condensed topic statement to the initial post at the bottom in red.Vandalvideo

A.) exclusivity does not require that the console company own the game developer itself.

B.)No but it includes the essential component the Windows OS. Don't tell me convenience is not an issue because then I can just say emulate everything on PC or build your own box that plays all games. It's possible ;)

C.)Funny thing is all this software comes with windows. If you are talkig peripherals like Video Card that is pointless because the 360 has all kinds of third party peripherals. What you think MS made the video card for 360?

And yeah I did prove you wrong before because I know there are responses I made to you that you did NOT reply on yet. Im not going to bother copy pasting them go get them or I win.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]Hardly. Open the Xbox and you find all kinds of peripherals made by companies other then MS. This include the processor, video card, etc....Point is everything else you need SOFTWARE wise is WINDOWS! AND YES I ALLREADY ANSWERED THAT!!!!:evil:Vandalvideo

Ignorace and misconception is far to deep rooted for him, im going to paly TF2 come join if u want vandal

A.) exclusivity does not require that the console company own the game developer itself.B.)No but it includes the essential component the Windows OS. Don't tell me convenience is not an issue because then I can just say emulate everything on PC or build your own box that plays all games. It's possible ;)C.)Funny thing is all this software comes with windows. If you are talkig peripherals like Video Card that is pointless because the 360 has all kinds of third party peripherals. What you think MS made the video card for 360? And yeah I did prove you wrong before because I know there are responses I made to you that you did NOT reply on yet. Im not going to bother copy pasting them go get them or I win.L1qu1dSword

and like I said many times before most pc gamers run windows in order to play the newest pc games which you are required to have windows and not any unix based platform thats still not alot i mean wine has games from 1992-2008 games like nba08 but thats 16 years of pc gaming with only around 6,000 titles?ParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and like I said many times before most pc gamers run windows in order to play the newest pc games which you are required to have windows and not any unix based platform thats still not alot i mean wine has games from 1992-2008 games like nba08 but thats 16 years of pc gaming with only around 6,000 titles?Vandalvideo

too bad it was the wrong freaking argument in the first place. congratulations!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]WINE is invalidated by this simple statement. You could technically build your very own third party console that could play everything and the existence of said machine would render all exclusives for all platforms null and void( this is sounding more and more like something an evil villain from an adult swim show would do lol) and there would be chaos!Remember you said yourself that convenience is not an issue but rather your ability to do so!Point is if it has the Windows logo on it the game is designed specifically with DirectX in mind and even if you build your own console or use emulation I would still say this don't count because then everything has to be thrown out and for the purposes of system wars things are even less practical then they are now.L1qu1dSword

Hardly. Open the Xbox and you find all kinds of peripherals made by companies other then MS. This include the processor, video card, etc....

Point is everything else you need SOFTWARE wise is WINDOWS!

All you're trying to do in this thread is invent a new term (ms exclusive) that makes your beloved 360 sound and look better. It's like you want to be able to use Gears's exclusivity in future arguments. You realize it's no longer 360 exclusive, so you invent this new term to make it sound like it's still exclusive. By your logic, any game that is PC exclusive is also MS exclusive because MS owns windows. Nothing could be more wrong.

You've also stated DMC4 --> 360 = Gears --> PC is incorrect. You've been stating this as a fact the entire thread. In reality, this is your opinion and you seem to be the only one who thinks this. You're entitled to your opinion but the rest of the world is entitled to disagree with it.

Why did you even start this thread? Instead of inventing this BS term 'MS exlusive', why not just call it what it is?....gears of war for the 360 and PC (and mac if you're being technical). I understand that you're saying that Gears not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3....but we all knew that already. Any game not on the PS3 hurts the PS3, so what, did we need an entire thread to state something that is so obvious?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine L1qu1dSword

lol so bioshock and gears of war are only niche games. dont you realize that the fact that wine does not support these your argument is completely invalidated in the context of the current discussion?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]look at wines game database you will find alot of games missing that are even a few years old. Plus how long has bioshock and gears of war been out? and its still not supported by wine L1qu1dSword

lol so bioshock and gears of war are only niche games. dont you realize that the fact that wine does not support these your argument is completely invalidated in the context of the current discussion?

not yet, it takes time to get them to be supported.

lol so bioshock and gears of war are only niche games.L1qu1dSword

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and like I said many times before most pc gamers run windows in order to play the newest pc games which you are required to have windows and not any unix based platform thats still not alot i mean wine has games from 1992-2008 games like nba08 but thats 16 years of pc gaming with only around 6,000 titles?Vandalvideo

and if youre a pc gamer you really cant choose your os unless you want to have a limit on what games you can and cannot play. Also windows is a microsoft platform

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]lol so bioshock and gears of war are only niche games.foxhound_fox

that was my point

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and like I said many times before most pc gamers run windows in order to play the newest pc games which you are required to have windows and not any unix based platform thats still not alot i mean wine has games from 1992-2008 games like nba08 but thats 16 years of pc gaming with only around 6,000 titles?ParadiddleFill

and if youre a pc gamer you really cant choose your os unless you want to have a limit on what games you can and cannot play. Also windows is a microsoft platform

-_- absolutely pointless, this is System Wars, made for gamer fans, we dont side with a company, we side with a system ... Microsoft Exclusive is aload of **** and so is this arguement.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]and if youre a pc gamer you really cant choose your os unless you want to have a limit on what games you can and cannot play. Also windows is a microsoft platformVandalvideo

youre just going around in circles i just proved to you that wine doesnt work with games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis which have been out for more then a few months so saying you can play a vast majority of games is ignorance because you clearly cannot.

OK, on the strictest terms of definition, Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and any game shared between X360 and PC is NOT exclusive. Trying to use the "console exclusive" argument is just playing a semantics game of splitting hairs. Exclusive means just a single platform and no others. Simple as that. Forza 2, Dead Rising, DOA 4, Kameo, PGR 3/4, Gran Turismo, Heavenly Sword, God of War, Zelda, Metroid Prime, Mario (any game).... those are exclusives.

And the people here are right that PC is NOT a Microsoft platform. Despite the fact that Windows is primarily used in PC gaming (Wine might be an option but is far from being as commonly used), MS doesn't get revenue from 3rd party PC games sales. Those respective developers do.

But all that being said, FuzzySquash is right when he says that the afformentioned titles (while not being exclusive) ARE competetive advantages in the console competition between X360 and PS3. PS3 gamers stand on a flimsy argument when they cry "But that game has no competetive edge over our platform, it's on PC". You see what they're saying? They're NOT saying "It doesn't matter if that game in on your system, it's also on ours", which would negate the competetive edge. They're admitting that to play said game, they have to get it on a platform that STILL ISN'T THEIRS. And do you, the dedicated PS3 gamer, HAVE a gaming capable PC to play it on? If not, your argument hold no water in the console competition between X360 and PS3.

This argument they use pertains to a myth that ALL console gamers also have gaming capable PCs. And as much as there is a divide between the different console platforms, there is an even bigger divide between PC gamers and console gamers. I mean just how many threads have we seen from the Hermits proclaiming the superiority of their chosen platform, and how all consoles are just noobie toys compared to what they game on? Clearly these people don't game on the consoles. And then the console gamers defend their position with how their platform is easier to use, easier to play on, no upgrade hassles, and of course they like to counter with their very false myth that "PC gaming is dying".

Of course there ARE people who play on both consoles and PCs. There are the Manticores that have all 4 platforms, in which case they don't even care about any exclusivity argument. But more console gamers it seems from what I've read around here, are more inclined to game on other consoles which they see as other brands of the same kind of gaming experience, and more Hermits prefer to play just on that platform regarding the consoles as "gimped" versions of the machines they like, then there are gamers who play on consoles and PCs.

youre just going around in circles i just proved to you that wine doesnt work with games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis which have been out for more then a few months so saying you can play a vast majority of games is ignorance because you clearly cannot. ParadiddleFill

OK, on the strictest terms of definition, Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and any game shared between X360 and PC is NOT exclusive. Trying to use the "console exclusive" argument is just playing a semantics game of splitting hairs. Exclusive means just a single platform and no others. Simple as that. Forza 2, Dead Rising, DOA 4, Kameo, PGR 3/4, Gran Turismo, Heavenly Sword, God of War, Zelda, Metroid Prime, Mario (any game).... those are exclusives.

And the people here are right that PC is NOT a Microsoft platform. Despite the fact that Windows is primarily used in PC gaming (Wine might be an option but is far from being as commonly used), MS doesn't get revenue from 3rd party PC games sales. Those respective developers do.

But all that being said, FuzzySquash is right when he says that the afformentioned titles (while not being exclusive) ARE competetive advantages in the console competition between X360 and PS3. PS3 gamers stand on a flimsy argument when they cry "But that game has no competetive edge over our platform, it's on PC". You see what they're saying? They're NOT saying "It doesn't matter if that game in on your system, it's also on ours", which would negate the competetive edge. They're admitting that to play said game, they have to get it on a platform that STILL ISN'T THEIRS. And do you, the dedicated PS3 gamer, HAVE a gaming capable PC to play it on? If not, your argument hold no water in the console competition between X360 and PS3.

This argument they use pertains to a myth that ALL console gamers also have gaming capable PCs. And as much as there is a divide between the different console platforms, there is an even bigger divide between PC gamers and console gamers. I mean just how many threads have we seen from the Hermits proclaiming the superiority of their chosen platform, and how all consoles are just noobie toys compared to what they game on? Clearly these people don't game on the consoles. And then the console gamers defend their position with how their platform is easier to use, easier to play on, no upgrade hassles, and of course they like to counter with their very false myth that "PC gaming is dying".

Of course there ARE people who play on both consoles and PCs. There are the Manticores that have all 4 platforms, in which case they don't even care about any exclusivity argument. But more console gamers it seems from what I've read around here, are more inclined to game on other consoles which they see as other brands of the same kind of gaming experience, and more Hermits prefer to play just on that platform regarding the consoles as "gimped" versions of the machines they like, then there are gamers who play on consoles and PCs.

So the point of that being, people who game primarily only on the PS3 can't argue against the X360 titles using a 3rd platform that isn't theirs, exclusivity not withstanding.AdobeArtist

very well said

very well saidParadiddleFill

Given PC piracy I think this thread fails even more, if someone has a the chance to get a game for the pc rather then the 360 I think it's a pretty easy decision to make, not to mention how easy it is to simply pirate the game, I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, just saying it happens and takes away from the 360. I think the PS3 will prove the better exclusive machine in the long run, well except for the PC ofc, but the fact that the PS3 doesn't "share" their exclusives with the pc like this thread is trying to do, is a huge reason to get it instead of a 360.

PC + PS3 is the way to go this gen, screw wii60 lol

Oh good God, liquidsword how do you justify saying that MS owns PC gaming when they don't make money off PC games they don't publish? And that they have no say over the content that goes onto their OS?

And what kind of twisted phantom logic leads you to beleive that because the 360 and PC share exclusives, they *aren't* competing?

Do you realise that this wouldn't even be an issue if the PC wasn't ahead in AA/AAAEs, and everybody knows this, and that fact makes these threads seem even more pathetic than they already are? Suck it up and accept your 2nd place slot while it lasts.

Given PC piracy I think this thread fails even more, if someone has a the chance to get a game for the pc rather then the 360 I think it's a pretty easy decision to make, not to mention how easy it is to simply pirate the game, I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, just saying it happens and takes away from the 360. I think the PS3 will prove the better exclusive machine in the long run, well except for the PC ofc, but the fact that the PS3 doesn't "share" their exclusives with the pc like this thread is trying to do, is a huge reason to get it instead of a 360.

PC + PS3 is the way to go this gen, screw wii60 lol

Eddie-Vedder

Given PC piracy I think this thread fails even moreEddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]youre just going around in circles i just proved to you that wine doesnt work with games like bioshock, gears of war and crysis which have been out for more then a few months so saying you can play a vast majority of games is ignorance because you clearly cannot. Vandalvideo

world of warcraft and guild wars isnt a recent game though. Wine has been out for a couple of years and they have games from the early 90's to newer games like nba08 which spans like 20 years of pc gaming. 6000 titles isnt that much when you look at it in that terms.

and if a person did want to play world of warcraft on linux he would have to know about Linux CLI commands and the unix enviorment which the mainstream gamer has very little knowledge about.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]very well saidVandalvideo

yes but i agreed with the majority of what he said.

world of warcraft and guild wars isnt a recent game though. Wine has been out for a couple of years and they have games from the early 90's to newer games like nba08 which spans like 20 years of pc gaming. 6000 titles isnt that much when you look at it in that terms.and if a person did want to play world of warcraft on linux he would have to know about Linux CLI commands and the unix enviorment which the mainstream gamer has very little knowledge about. ParadiddleFill

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The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console this is system wars not cosnole wars Which actually does not matter at all because as far as im concerned the main point here is still conveyed properly. preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not. you disclude the PC because its to different, but it still is in direct compititoon therefore it does still count vs exclusivesCreative use of made up words. I think you are looking for exclude but what the hey I never excluded PC. Rather I point out the the nature of competion is very different.

read this very carefully PC IS IN DIRECT COMPITITION WITH THE CONSOLES

Read this even more carefully. Direct Competion as defined here relates two productsthat are nearly identical in the services provided. PC still competes just not with Direct Competition.

there is the 'console market'

and there is the 'gaming market'

console market is a part of the gaming market, thus, direct compitition

However the myriad differences between console and PC do not make them direct alternatives of one another like 360 and PS3 are to each other. This is the point you and a few other sharp tools missed.This fact alone drammatically changes the nature of competition.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX. M$ profits have nothing to do with PC Gaming, if gaming declines on the PC they will barley notice it because most people use their PCs for everything not just gaming, therefore, ***this is where you made yhour first mistake*** also: at the time DirectX was FREE and they werent making money off of it

All incorrect. Google "history of xbox" or something. I dont have time to explain EVERYTHING to you.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. its still stronger than cosnole gamingIn Korea Maybe. Besides did you read the first sentence or glance at it? The implication is that it will cease alltogether and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. Steam and D2D are the reason for this not beacuse less people buy games, and these digital distribution sales are not counted on the NDP therefore PC gaming is far stronger than you realise Really just HOW stronger though? I woud imagine many would opt to have a box and instruction manual you can hold and a hard copy allready provided to be stored seperate from the computer. First off how are you proving NPD does not count them and finally what are the actual numbers?

This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure. Actually it is.OK

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC gears going to pc does make it non exlusive, exclusive is based off of the system its on not by the company, are you new to SW or something to not know that? This nonsensical statement has NOTHING to do with the statement you juxtaposed it to? Are you just randomly ranting again? Hoping I dont read the whole thing?

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo. thats ok ill go play it on linuxhey while we are inthe realm of convience not mattering at all why not just software emulate every game from every system thereby abolishing exclusives?

shadow_hosi

there you go, direct, on topic reply for your simple mindedness Thanks I like how you ignored the main topic points yet again going piecemeal through my written oration only responding to supposed attacks on PC which was never the intention. True fanboy blindness strikes again my hermitic friend. Take heart though. Youve grown from at least 12 years old from when you burst into the room to junior high at least. Keep climbing!

PS KIRBY SUCKS!

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]very well saidParadiddleFill

yes but i agreed with the majority of what he said.

Those games aren't Exclusives... PERIOD.

However outside of the SW's you make perfect sense... I don't game on PC's... (tried it several times, just couldn't get into it) so If I want to play gears, ME, and Bioshock then the 360 is my only option. That's why those games sell VERY well on the 360 because, obviously, a lot of gamers think like I do. They score well and sell well so theres really no need to worry about some fanboy saying "It's not teh exclusive.."

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]very well saidVandalvideo

yes but i agreed with the majority of what he said.

like I said you have very little option but to use window when you want to play pc games

like I said you have very little option but to use window when you want to play pc gameParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]world of warcraft and guild wars isnt a recent game though. Wine has been out for a couple of years and they have games from the early 90's to newer games like nba08 which spans like 20 years of pc gaming. 6000 titles isnt that much when you look at it in that terms.and if a person did want to play world of warcraft on linux he would have to know about Linux CLI commands and the unix enviorment which the mainstream gamer has very little knowledge about. Vandalvideo

im not gonna go around in circles i made my point about wine

ill end it with this if wine was such a choice then why do most gamers user windows as their OS?

why arent you using linux and wine?

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]world of warcraft and guild wars isnt a recent game though. Wine has been out for a couple of years and they have games from the early 90's to newer games like nba08 which spans like 20 years of pc gaming. 6000 titles isnt that much when you look at it in that terms.and if a person did want to play world of warcraft on linux he would have to know about Linux CLI commands and the unix enviorment which the mainstream gamer has very little knowledge about. Vandalvideo

its also inaccessible, unknown to most, buggy, DOESNT SUPPORT THE GAMES WE ARE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING ( gears bioshock...remember you are supposed to provide alternatives that those games can be played on....wow you are off track)

MOST of all invalidated in the realm of "convenience not mattering" as you yourself stated. Remember if I dont care about that the naturall thing is to build your own super console that can play any disc inserted into( which is completely possible).

I wont respond to anymore posts about Wine. It is not pertinent to the discussion and since it does not adress my points its a rabbit trail to be ignored.

im not gonna go around in circles i made my point about wine ill end it with this if wine was such a choice then why do most gamers user windows as their OS? why arent you using linux and wine?ParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]like I said you have very little option but to use window when you want to play pc gameVandalvideo

and like ive said before they have the option of picking out what graphics card sound card video card they want windows is pretty much your only option if you want to play the newest pc games

its also inaccessible, unknown to most, buggy, DOESNT SUPPORT THE GAMES WE ARE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING ( gears bioshock...remember you are supposed to provide alternatives that those games can be played on....wow you are off track)MOST of all invalidated in the realm of "convenience not mattering" as you yourself stated. Remember if I dont care about that the naturall thing is to build your own super console that can play any disc inserted into( which is completely possible).I wont respond to anymore posts about Wine. It is not pertinent to the discussion and since it does not adress my points its a rabbit trail to be ignored.L1qu1dSword

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]im not gonna go around in circles i made my point about wine ill end it with this if wine was such a choice then why do most gamers user windows as their OS? why arent you using linux and wine?Vandalvideo

you keep saying that they will be available soon but games like bioshock have been out for a long time now and wine still doesnt support it hell even games i played a few years ago still are not on wine support

and like ive said before they have the option of picking out what graphics card sound card video card they want windows is pretty much your only option if you want to play the newest pc games ParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Given PC piracy I think this thread fails even more, if someone has a the chance to get a game for the pc rather then the 360 I think it's a pretty easy decision to make, not to mention how easy it is to simply pirate the game, I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, just saying it happens and takes away from the 360. I think the PS3 will prove the better exclusive machine in the long run, well except for the PC ofc, but the fact that the PS3 doesn't "share" their exclusives with the pc like this thread is trying to do, is a huge reason to get it instead of a 360.

PC + PS3 is the way to go this gen, screw wii60 lol

Vandalvideo

Dude the only games you can't pirate are online heavy games, any single player game is easily pirated, not to mention the private servers and so on, most of my friends are hermits and pirate just about everything, they really don't run in to to much trouble. It's just to make the point anyway, if you have a capabale pc, the 360 is pretty much useless. Exclusives are what they are.

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]like I said you have very little option but to use window when you want to play pc gameVandalvideo

Which is pointless for you to do because I never claimed PC was a Microsoft Platform. Technically its not a platform at all as the components are identical to what is found in consoles( RAM, CPU, GRAPHICS CARD) in fact the ONLY difference besides a few input devices are the freaking OS's!!!!

You are hellbent on proving things that dont help your cause at all. Ive had just about enough of childish kirby crap so you have about one more post to become relevant before I ignore you and talk to other people.

you keep saying that they will be available soon but games like bioshock have been out for a long time now and wine still doesnt support it hell even games i played a few years ago still are not on wine supportParadiddleFill

Which is pointless for you to do because I never claimed PC was a Microsoft Platform. Technically its not a platform at all as the components are identical to what is found in consoles( RAM, CPU, GRAPHICS CARD) in fact the ONLY difference besides a few input devices are the freaking OS's!!!!You are hellbent on proving things that dont help your cause at all. Ive had just about enough of childish kirby crap so you have about one more post to become relevant before I ignore you and talk to other people.L1qu1dSword

All you're trying to do in this thread is invent a new term (ms exclusive) that makes your beloved 360 sound and look better. It's like you want to be able to use Gears's exclusivity in future arguments. You realize it's no longer 360 exclusive, so you invent this new term to make it sound like it's still exclusive. By your logic, any game that is PC exclusive is also MS exclusive because MS owns windows. Nothing could be more wrong.

You've also stated DMC4 --> 360 = Gears --> PC is incorrect. You've been stating this as a fact the entire thread. In reality, this is your opinion and you seem to be the only one who thinks this. You're entitled to your opinion but the rest of the world is entitled to disagree with it.

Why did you even start this thread? Instead of inventing this BS term 'MS exlusive', why not just call it what it is?....gears of war for the 360 and PC (and mac if you're being technical). I understand that you're saying that Gears not being on the PS3 hurts the PS3....but we all knew that already. Any game not on the PS3 hurts the PS3, so what, did we need an entire thread to state something that is so obvious?

mudman91878

I'll get a response eventually.

However outside of the SW's you make perfect sense... I don't game on PC's... (tried it several times, just couldn't get into it) so If I want to play gears, ME, and Bioshock then the 360 is my only option. That's why those games sell VERY well on the 360 because, obviously, a lot of gamers think like I do. They score well and sell well so theres really no need to worry about some fanboy saying "It's not teh exclusive.."

OhSnapitz

so, logically one could say "I don't play on the PS3, so DMC4 is an exclusive." and it would be correct?