Why Bioshock, Gears, Mass Effect ARE exclusive

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]like I said you have very little option but to use window when you want to play pc gameL1qu1dSword

Which is pointless for you to do because I never claimed PC was a Microsoft Platform. Technically its not a platform at all as the components are identical to what is found in consoles( RAM, CPU, GRAPHICS CARD) in fact the ONLY difference besides a few input devices are the freaking OS's!!!!

If its not a Microsoft platform, then how can you say games that it shares with the 360 are MS exclusive? :| And that last part doesn't even make sense, the PC isn't a gaming platform because its made up of the same parts as the consoles? WTF? It is both the name of the platform and the name of the system...

platform maybe......system no. random amalgamation of parts the only thing that really unifies them is that 95 percent are run with WINDOWS lol!!!

...what?

So, the PC isn't a gaming platform because the hardware is identical to what is found in consoles, but PCs aren't a gaming system because they aren't identical?

And you tell other people that they don't have a clue?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]im looking at fps and its really lacking ParadiddleFill

haha it doesnt even have team fortress 2

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]im looking at fps and its really lacking ParadiddleFill

haha it doesnt even have team fortress 2

orange box foo

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]im looking at fps and its really lacking Vandalvideo

haha it doesnt even have team fortress 2

congrats a beta version of the game and it even says and I quote

"runs slower then windows version"

...what?

So, the PC isn't a gaming platform because the hardware is identical to what is found in consoles, but PCs aren't a gaming system because they aren't identical?

And you tell other people that they don't have a clue?

t3hTwinky

like i said, typical fanboy hypocrisy due to the fact that his argument got destroyed

congrats a beta version of the game and it even says and I quote"runs slower then windows version"ParadiddleFill

While it's obvious that PC gaming is in an altogether different league than console gaming I doubt they will ever change the SW rules to reflect this.

It does not really matter much in the long run other than the need to precede any topic in SW with a disclaimer like "not counting PC brand X is teh best" or "PC is teh winnar followed by console "A" console "B", then in fourth place console "C"."

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]im looking at fps and its really lacking ParadiddleFill

haha it doesnt even have team fortress 2

congrats a beta version of the game and it even says and I quote

"runs slower then windows version"

on max everything, read the full thing

it runs fine on lower settings

jesus it doesnt even have max payne? weakParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]congrats a beta version of the game and it even says and I quote"runs slower then windows version"Vandalvideo

its the beta though its not even the actual game

jesus it doesnt even have max payne? weakParadiddleFill

yet again you fail

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=661

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]jesus it doesnt even have max payne? weakVandalvideo

my bad i was looking at fps

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]congrats a beta version of the game and it even says and I quote"runs slower then windows version"ParadiddleFill

its the beta though its not even the actual game

click the link son thats for the retail version (that works fine)

its the beta though its not even the actual gameParadiddleFill

my bad i was looking at fps

ParadiddleFill

theres a search function, use it

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]jesus it doesnt even have max payne? weakshadow_hosi

yet again you fail

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=661

i know i was looking at the wrong list still doesnt have alot of good fps like bioshock,gears, team fortress, rainbowsix vegas

know i was looking at the wrong list still doesnt have alot of good fps like bioshock,gears, team fortress, rainbowsix vegasParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]its the beta though its not even the actual gameVandalvideo

yeah i found it still though even if it has some gamesit still doesnt have all of them agree?

yeah i found it still though even if it has some gamesit still doesnt have all of them agree?ParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"] know i was looking at the wrong list still doesnt have alot of good fps like bioshock,gears, team fortress, rainbowsix vegasVandalvideo

dude bioshock is broken most of the reviewers couldent even run it

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease alltogether and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

L1qu1dSword

Could it be, because, I don't know...PC gaming is several generations ahead of console gaming and digital distribution has already manifested itself on the PC due to that reason?

Gears of War is on the Mac too. Just thought I would let you know. ;)

Isn't that the same purpose of your argument? To distract from the 360's lack of AAA exclusives since they are shared by the PS3 and moreso by the PC?

Very interesting point, you make. :o

Several generations ahead? Yet in fact Crysis which is the flagship PC game in terms of technical prowess is now likley to head for PS3 and 360.

Also for your incorrect assumption about the clearly stated purpose of my argument ill copy past it for the millionth time for you and everyone else that has missed it.

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Cows argue against it because the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

I hope this brightly colored yellow is harder to miss.

EDIT: also on the note of Gears going to MAC.

A.) not yet

B.) why is there no name for MAC users? because they are so negligably small they are lumped into PC gamers HERMITS.

I am only going to bother with the part I highlighted since the other points have been killed by a million other users already with you seemingly having missed the massacre every time.

Anyway, so you honestly think that the PS3 and especially the 360 can harness Crysis as it is on the PC? You do realise that not even most PCs can run Crysis properly, right?

dude bioshock is broken most of the reviewers couldent even run itParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah i found it still though even if it has some gamesit still doesnt have all of them agree?Vandalvideo

so then since you cant run gears of war bioshock without windows then those games are exclusive to microsoft

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]jesus it doesnt even have max payne? weakParadiddleFill

yet again you fail

i know i was looking at the wrong list still doesnt have alot of good fps like bioshock,gears, team fortress, rainbowsix vegas

really? do we need to do this again?

TF2 RETAIL(not beta)

bioshock, true

R6V is not 'good' ont he PC version so...no

gears isnt all its cracked up to be

crysis (good fps)

CoD4 (not perfict but works)

Doom 3(good fps)

shall i go on?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah i found it still though even if it has some gamesit still doesnt have all of them agree?ParadiddleFill

so then since you cant run gears of war bioshock without windows then those games are exclusive to microsoft

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]dude bioshock is broken most of the reviewers couldent even run itVandalvideo

the reviews still say its garbage you dont need to actually write a review to rate it

and the majority deem it unplayable

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah i found it still though even if it has some gamesit still doesnt have all of them agree?ParadiddleFill

so then since you cant run gears of war bioshock without windows then those games are exclusive to microsoft

no, their not at all exclusive to microsoft

but hey, tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night

bioshock aslo requires a nvidia card

is it nvidia excluisive?

the reviews still say its garbage you dont need to actually write a review to rate it and the majority deem it unplayableParadiddleFill

wow...how many times does this need to be explained. Windows is owned by MS, not PC gaming. While Windows is probably your best bet there are open source progrmas that can run games last time I checked.

MS didn't make any physical part of my computer. The made Vista and it's updates that seem to kill my system.
Tiefster

dont waste your time tiefster, they are to ignorant to understand logic

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]yeah i found it still though even if it has some gamesit still doesnt have all of them agree?shadow_hosi

so then since you cant run gears of war bioshock without windows then those games are exclusive to microsoft

no, their not at all exclusive to microsoft

but hey, tell yourself whatever you need to sleep at night

bioshock aslo requires a nvidia card

is it nvidia excluisive?

no because you can use an ATI card

you need windows in order to play bioshock

i read the list and rainbow six vegas is a fun game on the pc better then doom 3 thats for sure the point is it lacks alot of fps even if you dont like themParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]the reviews still say its garbage you dont need to actually write a review to rate it and the majority deem it unplayableVandalvideo

even if three people wrote a review there are still other people who reviwed the game as garbage without actually writing a review so even if 33% can play the majority cannot so its broken

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]i read the list and rainbow six vegas is a fun game on the pc better then doom 3 thats for sure the point is it lacks alot of fps even if you dont like themVandalvideo

haha oh my god wine has alot of crappy games as well

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease alltogether and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

EDIT: People posting here have been genreally reasonable and positive even in disagreemnet, however, there are some who are so annoyed by the prospect of altering the status quo that they have resorted to flaming( which will be reported and hopefully moderated). Im trying to keep this reasonble so stick to the topic at hand. Use the following as a guideline. If you want to disprove me then here is where to start:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Some argue against any change as the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

L1qu1dSword

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease all together and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

EDIT: People posting here have been genreally reasonable and positive even in disagreemnet, however, there are some who are so annoyed by the prospect of altering the status quo that they have resorted to flaming( which will be reported and hopefully moderated). Im trying to keep this reasonble so stick to the topic at hand. Use the following as a guideline. If you want to disprove me then here is where to start:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Some argue against any change as the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

L1qu1dSword

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease all together and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

EDIT: People posting here have been genreally reasonable and positive even in disagreemnet, however, there are some who are so annoyed by the prospect of altering the status quo that they have resorted to flaming( which will be reported and hopefully moderated). Im trying to keep this reasonble so stick to the topic at hand. Use the following as a guideline. If you want to disprove me then here is where to start:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Some argue against any change as the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

L1qu1dSword

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]the reviews still say its garbage you dont need to actually write a review to rate it and the majority deem it unplayableParadiddleFill

even if three people wrote a review there are still other people who reviwed the game as garbage without actually writing a review so even if 33% can play the majority cannot so its broken

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease alltogether and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

EDIT: People posting here have been genreally reasonable and positive even in disagreemnet, however, there are some who are so annoyed by the prospect of altering the status quo that they have resorted to flaming( which will be reported and hopefully moderated). Im trying to keep this reasonble so stick to the topic at hand. Use the following as a guideline. If you want to disprove me then here is where to start:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Some argue against any change as the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

l-_-l

well put! the TC doesnt seem to understand that pc gamers and xbox gamers are different people. sure some of us might own all systems but none the less they are categorised as a different platform. there fore one game jumps from one platform to another to reach another audience i.e. dmc4 ps3 > xbox360, its a lost exclusive same applies to mass effect, bioshock, gears xbox360 > pc.

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"]

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease all together and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

EDIT: People posting here have been genreally reasonable and positive even in disagreemnet, however, there are some who are so annoyed by the prospect of altering the status quo that they have resorted to flaming( which will be reported and hopefully moderated). Im trying to keep this reasonble so stick to the topic at hand. Use the following as a guideline. If you want to disprove me then here is where to start:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Some argue against any change as the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

l-_-l

he is trying to re-define exclusive, wich is going downa s total failure, and he just wont admit it

Another thread asks this:

Has Xbox 360 Exclusive Come To Mean Exclusive Except For The PC?

The very simple reason is this. The entire point of specifying whether something is exclusive is to show that your console of preference has something that the other one does not have. This implies that you are comparing systems that are in direct competition with one another. Xbox360 and PS3 are VERY similar and therefore compete directly for their market share in ways that PC gaming does not.

A little history to flesh this out:

During the days of PS1 MS realized that PC gaming was dying at the hands of SONY and MS was not happy about this because PC gaming was largely their domain. Declining PC gaming means declining profits and diminishing returns from DirectX. MS hatched a plan to combat this and developed the "DirectXbox" later dubbed the XboX.

I don't think it is fair to say that PC gaming is dying. The implication is that it will cease alltogether and that is not likely. However the reality is that since the era of PS1 the market has allowed alternative ways to experience things previously only available to PC gamers. Anyone who has frequented game stores for many years must have noticed the increasingly shrinking PC Game shelves. This is not because PC gaming is on the rise that is for sure.

Within the market cheaper, simpler alternatives were created and hence we have gaming in its current state.

Main point is that this is all a power struggle of MS vs. SONY. If a title is Xbox 360/ Windows only the fact still remains that MS is still raking in profits by retaining the remaining PC fans and with XboX taking back what was lost in the PS1 era.

This is completely logical for MS to do this becuase the purpose of the XBOX was to stop Sony from undermining their PC gaming profits and it would be counterproductive if the xbox did the same thing so providing those same games for Windows makes perfect sense.

DMC4 ----> 360 =/= Gears ----> PC

This argument is mainly just PS3 fans trying to distract people from their lack of AAA exclusives and their loss of games like Assassain's Creed and Devil May Cry 4 to the 360.

When Gears comes to PS3 then we can talk. Until then there is no debate those games are still MS exclusive as long as you can't play them on something with a SONY, Nintendo, or whatever else logo.

EDIT: People posting here have been genreally reasonable and positive even in disagreemnet, however, there are some who are so annoyed by the prospect of altering the status quo that they have resorted to flaming( which will be reported and hopefully moderated). Im trying to keep this reasonble so stick to the topic at hand. Use the following as a guideline. If you want to disprove me then here is where to start:

The aim simply is to allow things to be more correct.

The current SW terminology leads to the incorrect scenario of

Gears ---> PC = DMC4 ----->360

These two scenarios have drastically different ramifications for gamers, sales, and developers and it is simply wrong to regard them as being the same. This is for lack of proper categorization terminology that reality is distorted. Some argue against any change as the distorted reality benefits their cause here.

L1qu1dSword

Whether it was MS' intention for them to not be in direct competition or not, the plain fact is that they are. And as such, they will be subject to comparison. I mean, I have a perfectly capable gaming PC and an Xbox 360 and I am buying most of the games for the PC simply because I like a Mouse and Keyboard Set up and the PC versions seem to be somewhat superior. I even held out on buying Mass Effect because I know the PC counter-part will be definitively better.

but people do submit reviews without actually writting one and it still says that its garbageParadiddleFill

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]No. Like it or not, the consoles DO compete with PCs. I know they certainly do for me. L1qu1dSword

If Windows and Xbox are owned by MS how exactly is this competion?

Besides I never said that anyways. I said they do not compete in the same manner as PS3 and 360 do.

Games that are on multiple platforms cannot be considered exclusive to one.

With that said, games on the ps3 end of things, like The Agency, Free Realms, etc, cannot be considered "exclusives" either, as they will also be on the PC.

Andrew_Xavier

IF IT IS AVAILABLE ON MORE THAN 1 SYSTEM REGARDLESS OF 'ownership'

IT

IS

NOT

EXCLUSIVE

/thread

[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]but people do submit reviews without actually writting one and it still says that its garbageVandalvideo

youre not understanding my point though im saying that alot of people did submit a review just not a written one like the three people. And yet it still says garbage

IF IT IS AVAILABLE ON MORE THAN 1 SYSTEM REGARDLESS OF 'ownership'

IT

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shadow_hosi

You wonder how hard this simply concept is to understand.

IF IT IS AVAILABLE ON MORE THAN 1 SYSTEM REGARDLESS OF 'ownership'

IT

IS

NOT

EXCLUSIVE

/thread

shadow_hosi

i agree but games that you cannot play unless you use windows becomes a microsoft exclusive