Why isn't Crysis on consoles yet?

You can't use KZ2 as an example..why? because it doesn't have an amazing huge open world,it doesn't have the level of detail to be comparable to crysis,it doesn't have the amazing physics as good as crysis n i can list more reasons but i'm to lazy.McdonaIdsGuy

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

Oh, come on, can't you think of a better response than a sily cop-out like this? :roll:

You know, it's better to admit that you've got nothing more to go on than to strawman the other guy's argument and attack the opposite side.

aliblabla2007

:roll: We're the ones trying to explain to you why we're saying this. Throughout the thread, you've basically covered your ears and continued saying that it's possible, despite various arguments to the contrary, and then you resorted to strawmanning our arguments and calling us irrational. In this debate, you need to know that if there is somebody making silly arguments, it's not us.

It needs to be stripped down,yes...but if they're gonna do that,the 'wow' factor that made the pc version so loved will be gone.Lto_thaG

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] excuse me? cop out, i'm not the one making silly arguments of how a game can't be toned down for hardware that is in the current gen consoles....a Console port is possible, stop exaggerating it. Eyezonmii

:roll: We're the ones trying to explain to you why we're saying this. Throughout the thread, you've basically covered your ears and continued saying that it's possible, despite various arguments to the contrary, and then you resorted to strawmanning our arguments and calling us irrational. In this debate, you need to know that if there is somebody making silly arguments, it's not us.

They will be able to keep the nanosuit and it's functions, but everything else that made Crysis what it is will be gone.

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]You can't use KZ2 as an example..why? because it doesn't have an amazing huge open world,it doesn't have the level of detail to be comparable to crysis,it doesn't have the amazing physics as good as crysis n i can list more reasons but i'm to lazy.Eyezonmii

Lol, thanks for the laugh...you can't be serious. You're the one thinking its impossible for cyrsis to be done on consoles, while keeping the core experience and overall singple player elements...come back down to reality and then debate...christ! Eyezonmii

and yet there is no game on consoles that has crysis like gameplay...

Crysis cant be done on consoles, end of story. Maybe ps4 or xbox720 can do it. Not enough ram on the consoles,etc..

Killzone2 is a beautiful console game, but its nowhere near crysis graphically.

Play Crysis or Crysis Warhead on a nice rig and you will see why its not on consoles.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]It needs to be stripped down,yes...but if they're gonna do that,the 'wow' factor that made the pc version so loved will be gone.Eyezonmii

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]You can't use KZ2 as an example..why? because it doesn't have an amazing huge open world,it doesn't have the level of detail to be comparable to crysis,it doesn't have the amazing physics as good as crysis n i can list more reasons but i'm to lazy.McdonaIdsGuy

BTW, how would toning down detail effect the core game, again?

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]It needs to be stripped down,yes...but if they're gonna do that,the 'wow' factor that made the pc version so loved will be gone.Eyezonmii

For the game to even resemble the PC version consoles would need more RAM than they have at the moment. As I said before, it's not possible to port a version of Crysis on consoles that even RESEMBLES Crysis on PC.You can make a Crysis Instincts, but that would be Crysis at all.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]It needs to be stripped down,yes...but if they're gonna do that,the 'wow' factor that made the pc version so loved will be gone.Eyezonmii

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] excuse me? cop out, i'm not the one making silly arguments of how a game can't be toned down for hardware that is in the current gen consoles....a Console port is possible, stop exaggerating it. Eyezonmii

:roll: We're the ones trying to explain to you why we're saying this. Throughout the thread, you've basically covered your ears and continued saying that it's possible, despite various arguments to the contrary, and then you resorted to strawmanning our arguments and calling us irrational. In this debate, you need to know that if there is somebody making silly arguments, it's not us.

MGS4, Gears2, Killzone2, Kameo and Uncharted are all beautiful console games, but they cant compare to crysis man.

There is not enough ram on the ps3 or 360 to do crysis, along with other reasons why it cant be done. Next generation of consoles hopefully.

Playing Crysis on Very High, AA on and at 1680 x 1050, its unlike anything else ive ever witnessed in a videogame, the graphics are lifelike.

You can watch all the videos and look at all the screenshots of crysis you want, but sitting there watching a friend play it or playing it yourself is just amazing.

Crysis and Crysis Warhead are literally NEXT GEN games imo, nothing is close to those games graphically, honestly looks like a game from the future playing it.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] excuse me? cop out, i'm not the one making silly arguments of how a game can't be toned down for hardware that is in the current gen consoles....a Console port is possible, stop exaggerating it. Eyezonmii

:roll: We're the ones trying to explain to you why we're saying this. Throughout the thread, you've basically covered your ears and continued saying that it's possible, despite various arguments to the contrary, and then you resorted to strawmanning our arguments and calling us irrational. In this debate, you need to know that if there is somebody making silly arguments, it's not us.

Oh dear. Our argument consists of "Crysis's RAM usage, map techniques, complexity, .etc .etc make it impossible to be put on console without sacrificing fundemental elements of Crysis and thus making the game completely different.". You, on, the other hand, constantly say that it can be done without refuting any of these points, and you think I need to "come down to reality"? :roll:

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] Lol, thanks for the laugh...you can't be serious. You're the one thinking its impossible for cyrsis to be done on consoles, while keeping the core experience and overall singple player elements...come back down to reality and then debate...christ! Eyezonmii

Oh dear. Our argument consists of "Crysis's RAM usage, map techniques, complexity, .etc .etc make it impossible to be put on console without sacrificing fundemental elements of Crysis and thus making the game completely different.". You, on, the other hand, constantly say that it can be done without refuting any of these points, and you think I need to "come down to reality"? :roll:

Yes, but what your suggesting wouldn't be what Crysis is at all. Crysis on consoles and Crysis on PC would be 2 different games.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"] I play them all equal..i play what is meant to be played on console and what is meant played on PC....McdonaIdsGuy

Never said that...all your excuses are level size, detail.... i say that can be cut down to a decent size

Eyezonmii

Do you have selective reading or something? :| The entire argument comprises that part and the point that Crysis wouldn't be Crysis without the elements you have to cut out, therefore, cutting them out of the game to port it to consoles would mean that the port no longer resembles Crysis - thus the whole operation becomes pointless.

....and stop using smiley, they don't make your posts superior...just makes up for your lack of common sense. Eyezonmii

What makes you think I use it to "look superior"? It's an emoticon, y'know, for expressing emotions?

Ok let's use pictures to explain this.

In the first picture is a cell streaming example, in the second Crysis.

With cell streaming small chunks of an area are loaded around the player (blue square), cells are loaded in and out of memory depending on the players position so they get the impression of a giant environment without needing gigabytes of memory. The yellow cells represent interactive content that is loaded and presented to the player, the white cells represent none loaded content that cannot be interacted with. Note there is an enemy in an unloaded cell, because consoles can only store 256mb of information in ram at any one time there isn't enough to load the cells were the second enemy is.

In Crysis no cells are streamed, a large map is dumped into memory with some objects being streamed in later. Because the whole map is basically in memory the player can interact with anything they can see, were in cell streaming they could only shoot the enemy on the right; using the method in Crysis they can also shoot the enemy on the upper left. In game play terms the right enemy may be approaching in a car while the left enemy may be way out at sea in a patrol boat, yet because of the way Crysis handles maps both are viable targets.

You get it now? Crysis would have to be converted to cell streaming to work on consoles, which would impact the players freedom and interactivity in the game.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] Never said that...all your excuses are level size, detail.... i say that can be cut down to a decent size

aliblabla2007

Do you have selective reading or something? :| The entire argument comprises that part and the point that Crysis wouldn't be Crysis without the elements you have to cut out, therefore, cutting them out of the game to port it to consoles would mean that the port no longer resembles Crysis - thus the whole operation becomes pointless.

....and stop using smiley, they don't make your posts superior...just makes up for your lack of common sense. Eyezonmii

What makes you think I use it to "look superior"? It's an emoticon, y'know, for expressing emotions?

Can this be done?

1) porting Crysis so that even if the port doesnt match PC graphics, but the graphics are atleast superior enough to retain the wow factor

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2) The game remains a non-linear first person shooter

If any of the above 2 is not fully implemented then we will simply have "Crysis:instincts" and I am sure that I will not like that port.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"] :|,did i say that?NO!,but most people do that...McdonaIdsGuy

RIIIIIGGGHTT, you say that but don't go into detail.....very smart. How do THOSE elements of cyrsis effect the CORE experience to that SUCH DEGREE? HUH? take your time. All that experience can be kept, while toned down...its possible. Eyezonmii

No if you cut down those elements you would be cutting down the core experience considerably; which is the totally interactive, huge open levels that give you a high degree of freedom and approachability, and stunning technicals that realise all of this.

Thats it, sheesh.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Because its design is not capable on consoles. Simple isnt it.Eyezonmii

Read the post above.

Jeesh.

Technical reasons and maybe (just guessing here) Crytek arent whores and they actually care about the quality of their games rather than where they can make the most money? I know, its very unlikely, but its possible....II_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] RIIIIIGGGHTT, you say that but don't go into detail.....very smart. How do THOSE elements of cyrsis effect the CORE experience to that SUCH DEGREE? HUH? take your time. All that experience can be kept, while toned down...its possible. skrat_01

No if you cut down those elements you would be cutting down the core experience considerably; which is the totally interactive, huge open levels that give you a high degree of freedom and approachability, and stunning technicals that realise all of this.

Thats it, sheesh.

RIIIIIGGGHTT, you say that but don't go into detail.....very smart. How do THOSE elements of cyrsis effect the CORE experience to that SUCH DEGREE? HUH? take your time. All that experience can be kept, while toned down...its possible. Eyezonmii

For example, one of Crysis's large maps is structured so that you can swim from one end of one side of a large island to another end across a distance of several dozen kilometres, and in some maps your actions on one end will affect the guys on the other end, who might respond. When you cut the level in, say, half (which still isn't small enough for the PS3, 1/2 a Crysis map = 300MB which > the PS3's RAM) most likely you can't swim to the other end anymore - cutting out a part of gameplay (shortcutting across huge distances) which Crysis had. Also, if the level is divided in two, your actions on your end will no longer be able to affect the other end, and mapwide dynamic actions was another feature that defined Crysis.

I suggest you look at AnnoyedDragon's post.Doom_HellKnight

Ok let's use pictures to explain this.

In the first picture is a cell streaming example, in the second Crysis.

With cell streaming small chunks of an area are loaded around the player (blue square), cells are loaded in and out of memory depending on the players position so they get the impression of a giant environment without needing gigabytes of memory. The yellow cells represent interactive content that is loaded and presented to the player, the white cells represent none loaded content that cannot be interacted with. Note there is an enemy in an unloaded cell, because consoles can only store 256mb of information in ram at any one time there isn't enough to load the cells were the second enemy is.

In Crysis no cells are streamed, a large map is dumped into memory with some objects being streamed in later. Because the whole map is basically in memory the player can interact with anything they can see, were in cell streaming they could only shoot the enemy on the right; using the method in Crysis they can also shoot the enemy on the upper left. In game play terms the right enemy may be approaching in a car while the left enemy may be way out at sea in a patrol boat, yet because of the way Crysis handles maps both are viable targets.

You get it now? Crysis would have to be converted to cell streaming to work on consoles, which would impact the players freedom and interactivity in the game.

AnnoyedDragon

Ok let's use pictures to explain this.

In the first picture is a cell streaming example, in the second Crysis.

With cell streaming small chunks of an area are loaded around the player (blue square), cells are loaded in and out of memory depending on the players position so they get the impression of a giant environment without needing gigabytes of memory. The yellow cells represent interactive content that is loaded and presented to the player, the white cells represent none loaded content that cannot be interacted with. Note there is an enemy in an unloaded cell, because consoles can only store 256mb of information in ram at any one time there isn't enough to load the cells were the second enemy is.

In Crysis no cells are streamed, a large map is dumped into memory with some objects being streamed in later. Because the whole map is basically in memory the player can interact with anything they can see, were in cell streaming they could only shoot the enemy on the right; using the method in Crysis they can also shoot the enemy on the upper left. In game play terms the right enemy may be approaching in a car while the left enemy may be way out at sea in a patrol boat, yet because of the way Crysis handles maps both are viable targets.

You get it now? Crysis would have to be converted to cell streaming to work on consoles, which would impact the players freedom and interactivity in the game.

AnnoyedDragon

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[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] RIIIIIGGGHTT, you say that but don't go into detail.....very smart. How do THOSE elements of cyrsis effect the CORE experience to that SUCH DEGREE? HUH? take your time. All that experience can be kept, while toned down...its possible. Eyezonmii

No if you cut down those elements you would be cutting down the core experience considerably; which is the totally interactive, huge open levels that give you a high degree of freedom and approachability, and stunning technicals that realise all of this.

Thats it, sheesh.

If you just want this then it can be done on PS2 as well.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] RIIIIIGGGHTT, you say that but don't go into detail.....very smart. How do THOSE elements of cyrsis effect the CORE experience to that SUCH DEGREE? HUH? take your time. All that experience can be kept, while toned down...its possible. Eyezonmii

No if you cut down those elements you would be cutting down the core experience considerably; which is the totally interactive, huge open levels that give you a high degree of freedom and approachability, and stunning technicals that realise all of this.

Thats it, sheesh.

A toned down version is a different version. You would have a different experience as a result - the core design values would have changed considerably to suit the hardware.

I understand the point you are raising, but you have to grasp how vital the technicals are in realising the design and core gameplay experience.

Taking those away compromises it.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] RIIIIIGGGHTT, you say that but don't go into detail.....very smart. How do THOSE elements of cyrsis effect the CORE experience to that SUCH DEGREE? HUH? take your time. All that experience can be kept, while toned down...its possible. aliblabla2007

For example, one of Crysis's large maps is structured so that you can swim from one end of one side of a large island to another end across a distance of several dozen kilometres, and in some maps your actions on one end will affect the guys on the other end, who might respond. When you cut the level in, say, half (which still isn't small enough for the PS3, 1/2 a Crysis map = 300MB which > the PS3's RAM) most likely you can't swim to the other end anymore - cutting out a part of gameplay (shortcutting across huge distances) which Crysis had. Also, if the level is divided in two, your actions on your end will no longer be able to affect the other end, and mapwide dynamic actions was another feature that defined Crysis.

Because a linear version of crysis wouldn't be crysis, crysis is about freedom to do as you please, on consoles it would be go were i say as such it wouldn't be crysis anymore except in name only, what your asking is to remove all that makes crysis crysis and still call it crysis, whats the point then?.

No point i going furhter, you can't explain things to the ignorant.

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]:?

No if you cut down those elements you would be cutting down the core experience considerably; which is the totally interactive, huge open levels that give you a high degree of freedom and approachability, and stunning technicals that realise all of this.

Thats it, sheesh.

dk_2007

If you just want this then it can be done on PS2 as well.

TC, by your own logic you could argue Metal Gear offers the same 'fundemental' experience as Metal Gear Solid.

Simply because the core gameplay is similar.

Of course as your sensibilities should tell you, the experience is dramatically different because of the technicals and design that is enhanced by it.

Ok?

Because a linear version of crysis wouldn't be crysis, crysis is about freedom to do as you please, on consoles it would be go were i say as such it wouldn't be crysis anymore except in name only, what your asking is to remove all that makes crysis crysis and still call it crysis, whats the point then?.

No point i going furhter, you can't explain things to the ignorant.

Stoner-Pimp

TC, by your own logic you could argue Metal Gear offers the same experience as Metal Gear Solid.

Simply because the core gameplay is similar.

Of course as your sensibilities should tell you, the experience is dramatically different because of the technicals and design that is enhanced by it.

Ok?

skrat_01