Why isn't Crysis on consoles yet?

OK, how on earth would a console do levels like onslaught and assault?

Before we go any further, we need to establish one point. It is that, as I am sure many of you consolke fans have read, Crysis is defined by it's large open environments. Assult, you start off with a huge battle. You look off into the distance and there is a whole war going on. You have some objectives to take out some AA vehicles. You basically choose your own route through this warzone going on. The are little villages, you go via the road or across the water or a combination of both. You can take the AA guns out in any particular order. Once you have done that you then take down a frigate in the harbor.

The point I am trying to make is that, how on earth could you scale that down??? I mean, sure we've already talked about how the visuals can be scaled down but how could you break a huge battlefield like that down into sections.

If you reduce all the chaos and number of units in the level then it is no longer a warzone....right?

If you reduce the size of the level then you change how it plays, i.e. you dont have a battlefield again...right?

I mean, sure if you really wanted to you could make the game play something like Call of Duty's battles or similar shooters but, I think you would agree, you would be changing the game so much it would no longer be what we appreciate as Crysis. Seriously, it would still have the same name probably but is this what you consolites would want?

No matter how you spin it, you cannot have game like crysis on consoles. The best way I can put it is:

Crysis = scale x physics x no.of units + graphics

In that equation, you can take scale down the graphics but when you take out the other 3 components, you're changing the game into a different experience. PC gamers can reduce the graphics down to low levels but you can't scale down a level like Assault! Play it and you will see why!

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]Crysis is not open, the levels are large, but it's still linear a to bVandalvideo

Those side objectives where just covering up the a to b nature of the game.

You can complete all of those objectives, but the level isn't done until you get to point b, no exceptions.

Those side objectives where just covering up the a to b nature of the game.You can complete all of those objectives, but the level isn't done until you get to point b, no exceptions.swazidoughman

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] so cut the size down, i recall Farcry 2 on consoles having MASSIVE levels, while holding up everything it great and top form (graphics, etc)Eyezonmii

Cut the map size down, and then you get Crysis: Instincts, not pure Crysis. If Crysis were a linear, Call-of-Duty esque type small-level FPS game, then you could sacrifice visuals to port it over, but Crysis isn't Call of Duty.

I'm not sure I see the point. Why not play FarCry 2 or GTA IV, games with huge, open worlds that already exist on 360 and PS3, instead of asking for a port from a developer that doesn't know the first thing about console games?

Or, wait for RAGE - I have a lot more faith in Carmack's ability to deliver open-world gameplay without compromise, and id is designing from the ground up for both consoles and PCs.

Or, wait for RAGE - I have a lot more faith in Carmack's ability to deliver open-world gameplay without compromise, and id is designing from the ground up for both consoles and PCs.lowe0

*Scratches his head* What was their last big singleplayer project that had a huge, sprawling overworld?Vandalvideo

:P

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Or, wait for RAGE - I have a lot more faith in Carmack's ability to deliver open-world gameplay without compromise, and id is designing from the ground up for both consoles and PCs.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Or, wait for RAGE - I have a lot more faith in Carmack's ability to deliver open-world gameplay without compromise, and id is designing from the ground up for both consoles and PCs.lowe0

Who cares? Carmack's a programming god. There's nothing the man can't accomplish.lowe0

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Who cares? Carmack's a programming god. There's nothing the man can't accomplish.lowe0

Setting aside Doom 3 (an Xbox 1 game? get real), you have a quickie launch port of a 3rd-party PC game, and a port of a 3rd-party PC game. If you're trying to tell me how id will do with an in-house project built from the ground up to run on consoles, you might want to find an example that id actually had something to do with, instead of just licensing the technology.lowe0

You just proved my point: Carmack and id have no experience working with this gen of consoles. And frankly, Crytek are known for much more impressive games and graphics - (Far Cry vs Doom 3)dgsag

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]Those side objectives where just covering up the a to b nature of the game.You can complete all of those objectives, but the level isn't done until you get to point b, no exceptions.Vandalvideo

Not really dynamic.

When I played through it I was usually using stealth, and it's pretty obvious that the levels where leaning more towards stealth.

And it's still a lineart a to b shooter.

An open shooter is something more like STALKER.

Not really dynamic.When I played through it I was usually using stealth, and it's pretty obvious that the levels where leaning more towards stealth.And it's still a lineart a to b shooter.An open shooter is something more like STALKER.swazidoughman

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]Well then, kinda turning the tables here TC- Alright, perhaps we're all wrong ( :lol: )... then, what is the reason why Crysis isn't on consoles yet? Eyezonmii

Wrong, Developers are money fanboys. Crysis generates WOW factor by it's beautiful graphics and it's sheer scale. If it's ported to consoles it won't have any of those anymore, It'll just be another generic FPS shooter. Don't you think if Crytek thought crysis would be a big hit on consoles they would have ported it way earlier already? It's not, and will never be, that's why they didn't bother with it, it simply won't generate enough WOW factor because it's been heavily toned down.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]didn't i just say imply a DOWNGRADED VERSION? DERR, it can't run its current form, but it can if things can be stripped down as many PC to console games have done...why is crysis an exception? Eyezonmii

That's not what the "design" means. Sure, cut the visuals down to medium and you'd get visuals that your HD consoles could run at a steady 20-30 FPS - but Crysis maps are massive - they use up more RAM per map (about 600 megs) than a HD console's RAM and VRAM combined (256 each for PS3, unified 512 for Xbox 360). Cut down the map size to the point where a console can run it, and it's not Crysis anymore.

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

Lto_thaG

It most likely sell a lot more if it were on a console.

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

Emaldon69

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"]

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

Killfox

It wouldn't be unplayable, but just have everything go at a smaller resolution.

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

It most likely sell a lot more if it were on a console.

Crysis = paid exclusive

It'll be on Xbox eventually, it has more than enough power since the resolution would be under 720p.

It wouldn't be unplayable, but just have everything go at a smaller resolution.

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] What makes you say Crytek will put money in 'porting' over Crysis to a console?Lto_thaG

It most likely sell a lot more if it were on a console.

Console versions are just prone to selling more.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="Emaldon69"]

It most likely sell a lot more if it were on a console.

Emaldon69

Console versions are just prone to selling more.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="Emaldon69"]

It most likely sell a lot more if it were on a console.

Emaldon69

Console versions are just prone to selling more.

[QUOTE="Emaldon69"][QUOTE="Lto_thaG"] And what makes you say that? Because it's a shooter? Crytek isn't gonna put any money in this.They'd rather make a new IP for a console.shadow_hosi

Console versions are just prone to selling more.

Thats one game, and its a Valve game at that.

Now look at everything else. The console version, usually the 360 version, outsells everything else by a few million.

Its nothing to be ashamed of unless you're one of the ungrateful PC fans who pirates the game.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="Emaldon69"]

Console versions are just prone to selling more.

Emaldon69

Thats one game, and its a Valve game at that.

Now look at everything else. The console version, usually the 360 version, outsells everything else by a few million.

Its nothing to be ashamed of unless you're one of the ungrateful PC fans who pirates the game.

Besides all the other Valve games like L4d and all?

Red Alert 3, Command and Conquer 3, the Max Payne series, Mafia, Supreme Commander, Bioshock (depending on region), Doom 3, Quake 4, F.E.A.R., Serious Sam, Unreal Tournament 3... all higher pc sales. You have a wierd definition of "everything else".

Don't the best PC titles, usually get ported to consoles (no matter the difference in hardware) i'm sure the current gen console can run crysis on low or medium with some sacrifices, etc. FarCry 2 for example.

srsly, look at killzone 2 and tell me we can't have a great looking crysis?

Really want to see how it would turn out.

Eyezonmii

Bottom two are essentially from the same source...

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]Crysis's design makes it impossible to run on consoles, not the visuals.Cali3350

You are correct.

I think I'm getting Eyezonmii's point. A Crysis Instincts or the like would be acceptable to him.HuusAsking

The thread title says otherwise.