Why SKYRIM does NOT deserve to be GOTY

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#1 StrongDeadlift
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GOTY....Really? It is disgusting how much this game is being allowed to get away with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvQ_RqikKks

I agree with every single point this guy says. people here act like they are afraid to call out Skyrim on its sh*t, and its faults, like they HAVE to think its the best game ever, or like it does something new or above average.....

(I know I said Skyrim was GOTY a few days ago, but that was to get fanboys riled up).

-The animations are TERRIBLE and the characters are lifeless emotionless maniquins.

-The dialogue is so laughable, and emotionless its not even funny. The NPCs just repeat the same lines over and over again and it just breaks the immersion so much

-When I first got the game, I racked up like 14 hours on the "playtime" counter without actually playing, just because I left my 360 running in the background for hours at a time without touching the controller, because I found surfing the internet THAT much more engaging. That is how boring and unengaging this game is. Ive said this before in other threads, but I had to keep moving the analog stick to make the 360's "your system will shut off soon" indicator go off.

-I only have one thing to describe the A.I. in the game: :lol::lol::lol:

-The gameplay is so weak, shallow, undeveloped, uninteresting, etc......it is below average at best. Really this is GOTY worthy?

-boring, uninteresting story lines with ZERO immersion. I already know what your response is going to be...."bu..bu..bu... none of the games have been about worthwile plots with actual development and immersion"....and this is a good thing? Are we enabling Bethesda to think they can just release ANYTHING just because that same flaw was in the last game?

-The loot and merchant system is so terribly unbalanced its not even funny. You never have that feeling of "looting" because you always have to run around and look for a merchant to sell your items to, and the majority of the time they never have enough gold to buy all of your items, so hoarding items with the intention of selling them later is almost pointless in the game. This is a problem ive noticed in all of Bethesda's games. There is also no real feeling of "grinding", like there is something you are working or playing towards.

-lastly but not least, it is such a laughably glitchy, bug ridden MESS! Again, I already know what the responses will be to this.....

"bu..bu..bu....the other games were buggy!!!". Newsflash.....IT WAS A PROBLEM ON THE OTHER GAMES AS WELL. Again, are we just going to enable Bethesda to think they can just release glitchy bug ridden, unpolished mess like this and get away with it, let alone REWARD them for it? Really?

"bu..bu..bu....I didnt see any bugs"......Fine. You are special. Is that what you wanted to hear? and all the reviewers and (thousands) of disgruntled fans and the general consensus are just SOL, and you are lucky and special.....there you go ;)

"bu..bu..bu.....its teh massive world and scope of the game.".......Red Dead Redemption, L.A. Noire, Infamous 2. /arguement

If we truely analyze this game (and fanboys, take your goggles off and be true to yourselves for ONE damn minute before you flame me) and look at EVERY aspect of the game, EVERY single aspect of the game is eithe AVERAGE or BELOW AVERAGE at best, or just straight up terrible.............EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE FEATURE ALONE:

How much stuff you can do.

Based on my own experiences, and from the general consensus of others, the ONLY redeeming factor that stands out (or is above average) about this game is the amount of quests/things to do. before you act on knee jerk reaction, truely re-read that last sentence, and actually think about whether im right or not. The gameplay, voice overs, animations, A.I., combat, immersion, plot, atmosphere, EVERYTHING about it is either underwhelming, or simply average at best. Nothing we havent seen before.

But lets analyze this even further. Even this PRO about the game is overrated for the fact that the game is so casualized and there is no development at all. NOTHING you do matters. Period. Just follow the arrow, talk to whatever NPC the arrow points at, click through the text incoherently without listening to anything until ANOTHER arrow shows up showing you your next designation. Follow the next arrow to the next room, kill whatever so happens to start attacking you in that room, pick up whatever item the arrow points at, follow the arrow back to the NPC, click through absolutely worthless filler text again.....

And this is "revolutionary" why again? Meaningless filler fetch quests have been around for like a decade. :?

If Blizzard made a console WRPG based in the Warcraft universe, you can bet your ass it would run olympic marathons around Skyrim.

TL;DR.

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#2 BrunoBRS
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skyrim should not be allowed to be GotY simply because it's a game in alpha. only you're charged $60 to play that alpha.
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#3 TrapJak
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I don't see the IMO anywhere in this thread. Sure, bugs are located everywhere, but if the initial package of the game is solid, so is the awards it deserves. Plus, it depends on the person.

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#4 StrongDeadlift
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skyrim should not be allowed to be GotY simply because it's a game in alpha. only you're charged $60 to play that alpha.BrunoBRS

This.

What actually has me scratching my head is that a few days ago I pointed out a few legitimate flaws in the game, and fanboys actually called me a "delusional hater" :roll:.

It will never cease to amaze me how far fanboys will go to defend their game. For instance, I DARE you to go into a Skyrim thread, ANY skyrim thread, and point out the word "bugs" and "glitches". It is the general consensus that Skyrim has an above average amount of BOTH of these, yet I PROMISE you there will be at least ONE person who will deny it with every fiber of their being.

I mean, its one thing to simply say "the bugs havent hampered my experience", but to look me dead in the eye (or keyboard) with a straight face and tell me that they dont exist at all and im "delusional"? Really :?

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#5 ActicEdge
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A game as buggy as Skyrim should not be allowed to win any GOTY award. Its pretty ridiculous that its even in the running.

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#6 Da_lil_PimP
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If it does will you leave this site?

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#7 Tykain
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I played Skyrim for 150+ hours, and i wouldn't say the game is terrible by any mean. but i don't think it deserves goty either, for all the reasons you already listed.
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#8 pl4yer_f0und
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I couldn't read past the first paragraph of your post. People are afraid to bash on Skyrim? Are you serious? Since when are people afraid to do anything on the internet? People rave about skyrim because they like it, not because the internet police are going to arrest thing if they dont. If they didn't like Skyrim, they sure as hell would have let Bethesda know like in Oblivion.

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#9 Majistrate
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Eh, every game has flaws, but you overlook them if you enjoy the game. If people think it's worthy of GOTY then that's their opinion. Personally, i think it's great, but it doesn't feel like GOTY for me. Still good though.

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#10 mems_1224
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best game this gen. have experienced very few bugs so maybe im lucky, or maybe people over exaggerate. probably the latter
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If it wins, you leave the site. Pinky swear.
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best game this gen. have experienced very few bugs so maybe im lucky, or maybe people over exaggerate. probably the latter mems_1224
Yeah, my game definitely wasn't a buggy mess for me and a lot of others who played the game, besides on the ps3. I don't even think the TC has even played the game, in which case his opinion in null in my view.
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#13 Cruxis27
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Skyrim will win many, many awards. GOTY, RPGOTY, etc.

And when it does, this thread will be bumped, and you will look like a fool.

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#14 turtlethetaffer
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Skyrim will win many, many awards. GOTY, RPGOTY, etc.

And when it does, this thread will be bumped, and you will look like a fool.

Cruxis27

RDR didn't deserve GOTY either, but look what happened with that.

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#15 Cloud567kar
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Only had very minor glitches. Bu but but it has de glitches and everyone has them!!! No just no

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#16 theuncharted34
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Spot on, TC.

It's a horrible game that is riding the Hype for all its worth.

Call of Duty of Rpg's, right here.

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#17 foxhound_fox
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By Christmas, most people will have forgotten about it.
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#18 mems_1224
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Spot on, TC.

It's a horrible game that is riding the Hype for all its worth.

Call of Duty of Rpg's, right here.

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that doesnt even make sense
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#19 DavidCage00
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GTA4 is GOTY ;)

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#20 WithoutGraceXII
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Seems the ps3 version is an absolute mess, which is unfortunate and inexcusable. But I'm over 100 hours into the PC version, and haven't seen anything that would disqualify it from being a GOTY candidate.
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ITT: Someone who hasn't played the game makes up a story to try and bash it.

Skyrim deserves every bit of praise it gets, even in light of some of the tech issues that have occured (granted my experience has been pretty glitch-free). The PS3 owners DO have a right to whine, but on both PC's and the 360 the game is phenominal.

Seriously the best RPG I have played in over a decade and one of, if not the best games I have played this gen. It is flat out ADDICTING!!!

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#22 turtlethetaffer
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GTA4 is GOTY ;)

DavidCage00

Even for a troll post, that makes no sense.

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#23 Steameffekt
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Playing it on PC right now and I can say it's my personal GOTY. Haters are my motivators. Nuff said. ;)

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#24 DavidCage00
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[QUOTE="DavidCage00"]

GTA4 is GOTY ;)

turtlethetaffer

Even for a troll post, that makes no sense.

How is stating my opinion trolling :?

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#25 Steameffekt
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ITT: Someone who hasn't played the game makes up a story to try and bash it.

Skyrim deserves every bit of praise it gets, even in light of some of the tech issues that have occured (granted my experience has been pretty glitch-free). The PS3 owners DO have a right to whine, but on both PC's and the 360 the game is phenominal.

Seriously the best RPG I have played in over a decade and one of, if not the best games I have played this gen. It is flat out ADDICTING!!!

LostProphetFLCL
Completely agree. I felt the same way when I was playing it. "Dang, this game could last me forever".
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#26 Am_Confucius
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TC is a troll. His arguments were crap.

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

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#27 Steameffekt
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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="DavidCage00"]

GTA4 is GOTY ;)

DavidCage00

Even for a troll post, that makes no sense.

How is stating my opinion trolling :?

Opinion? GTA4 came out 3 years ago bud.
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It seems like it going to. It is a great game despite it bugs. The problem I have is the overall change their making to the seires.

I would have like to see it be more Morrowind style, but with the new combat system. I was hoping for the return of Skills, weapons and Spells that were taken away in Oblivion. Instead they seem to take away more skills and weapon types...along with kinds of spells. They also took away Attributes...

They also made only 3 layers of armor...Marrowind had more layers and choices.

I have also been out of what is "cool" and hip though. So I can't really judge the game one that. l

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#29 Tikeio
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By Christmas, most people will have forgotten about it.foxhound_fox

Really? I don't know about that.

It's a Bethesda game after all....

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#30 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Spot on, TC.

It's a horrible game that is riding the Hype for all its worth.

Call of Duty of Rpg's, right here.

mems_1224

that doesnt even make sense

What doesn't make sense?

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#31 Am_Confucius
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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

[QUOTE="DavidCage00"]

GTA4 is GOTY ;)

DavidCage00

Even for a troll post, that makes no sense.

How is stating my opinion trolling :?

I see you are new to System Wars.
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"]best game this gen. have experienced very few bugs so maybe im lucky, or maybe people over exaggerate. probably the latter pl4yer_f0und
Yeah, my game definitely wasn't a buggy mess for me and a lot of others who played the game, besides on the ps3. I don't even think the TC has even played the game, in which case his opinion in null in my view.

ITT: Someone who hasn't played the game makes up a story to try and bash it.

Skyrim deserves every bit of praise it gets, even in light of some of the tech issues that have occured (granted my experience has been pretty glitch-free). The PS3 owners DO have a right to whine, but on both PC's and the 360 the game is phenominal.

Seriously the best RPG I have played in over a decade and one of, if not the best games I have played this gen. It is flat out ADDICTING!!!

LostProphetFLCL

:roll: God damn, dont you robotic fanboys EVER get tired of screaming the "I bet you havent even played it" routine EVERY single time somebody doesnt ejaculate into the box of your game? or points out ANY flaws? EVERY single time, without failure or deviation? Do I need to take a picture of EVERY single game Ive ever owned, ever buy, and all my consoles, and put it in an archive or something? god damn.....

I think from now on, anybody who cries the "you havent even played it" excuse should automatically lock them into a "system wars bet" with a moderation/suspension if the accusee actually delivers....:roll:. You guys are ROBOTS, period. and this is ALL fanboys on this site. Uncharted fanboys, Skyrim fanboys, Battlefield fanboys.). There is no discussing anything with you. You are a victim and we are the evil bullies persecuting you. :roll:

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#33 turtlethetaffer
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[QUOTE="DavidCage00"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Even for a troll post, that makes no sense.

Steameffekt

How is stating my opinion trolling :?

Opinion? GTA4 came out 3 years ago bud.

I would say this is the correct answer to your question David.

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#34 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Spot on, TC.

It's a horrible game that is riding the Hype for all its worth.

Call of Duty of Rpg's, right here.

theuncharted34

that doesnt even make sense

What doesn't make sense?

how is it the CoD of rpgs?? because its fun? because its popular?
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#35 DavidCage00
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[QUOTE="Steameffekt"][QUOTE="DavidCage00"] How is stating my opinion trolling :?

turtlethetaffer

Opinion? GTA4 came out 3 years ago bud.

I would say this is the correct answer to your question David.

Games like GTA4 are timeless ;)

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] that doesnt even make sensemems_1224

What doesn't make sense?

how is it the CoD of rpgs?? because its fun? because its popular?

Because everyone buys it because of the Hype and every one of its glaring flaws gets ignored because of that.

Like CoD.

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#37 mrmusicman247
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Spot on, TC.

It's a horrible game that is riding the Hype for all its worth.

Call of Duty of Rpg's, right here.

theuncharted34

that doesnt even make sense

What doesn't make sense?

1. People around here hate COD but love Skyrim.

2. COD has yearly releases. I don't know when Oblivion came out but it definitely wasn't last year.

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Decent game: Sure (Will be better with mods and that's kind of sad that the players have to make the game fun)

GOTY: No way.

Dark Souls holds that prize my friends.

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#39 Steameffekt
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

What doesn't make sense?

theuncharted34

how is it the CoD of rpgs?? because its fun? because its popular?

Because everyone buys it because of the Hype and every one of its glaring flaws gets ignored because of that.

Like CoD.

You see, the flaws with Skyrim like bugs and glitches, etc can be fixed with an update. Now the flaws with COD, now that's a different story.
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#40 mrmusicman247
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Decent game: Sure (Will be better with mods and that's kind of sad that the players have to make the game fun)

GOTY: No way.

Dark Souls holds that prize my friends.

Jynxzor
I don't have to use mods to make the game fun for me >.> And it's not like the mods add whole quests to the game. Most of it is aesthetic stuff.
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#41 RobbieH1234
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It will never cease to amaze me how far fanboys will go to defend their game. For instance, I DARE you to go into a Skyrim thread, ANY skyrim thread, and point out the word "bugs" and "glitches". It is the general consensus that Skyrim has an above average amount of BOTH of these, yet I PROMISE you there will be at least ONE person who will deny it with every fiber of their being.

StrongDeadlift

If they do, show them this.

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#42 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

What doesn't make sense?

theuncharted34

how is it the CoD of rpgs?? because its fun? because its popular?

Because everyone buys it because of the Hype and every one of its glaring flaws gets ignored because of that.

Like CoD.

maybe the flaws are over looked because they are insignificant compared to how much they enjoy the game :o and a lot of the bugs are pretty cool/funny i think its pretty cool when a dragon doesnt attack and just flies around. its hilarious when a giant smashes you and you go flying 200 feet in the air. its awesome when you put pots on peoples head and rob them blind
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#43 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] that doesnt even make sensemrmusicman247

What doesn't make sense?

1. People around here hate COD but love Skyrim.

2. COD has yearly releases. I don't know when Oblivion came out but it definitely wasn't last year.

But at first, a lot of people around here buy the latest CoD for some reason and THEN hate on it.

It won't be long until Skyrim gets that treatment, A lot of people hate on Oblivion now.

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#44 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] how is it the CoD of rpgs?? because its fun? because its popular? Steameffekt

Because everyone buys it because of the Hype and every one of its glaring flaws gets ignored because of that.

Like CoD.

You see, the flaws with Skyrim like bugs and glitches, etc can be fixed with an update. Now the flaws with COD, now that's a different story.

They haven't fixed anything yet.

The game is basically in Alpha.

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#45 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

What doesn't make sense?

theuncharted34

1. People around here hate COD but love Skyrim.

2. COD has yearly releases. I don't know when Oblivion came out but it definitely wasn't last year.

But at first, a lot of people around here buy the latest CoD for some reason and THEN hate on it.

It won't be long until Skyrim gets that treatment, A lot of people hate on Oblivion now.

maybe people hate oblivion because games have evolved since 06 and not every game ages well :o

doesnt mean it wasnt a great game at the time

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#46 Am_Confucius
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But at first, a lot of people around here buy the latest CoD for some reason and THEN hate on it.

It won't be long until Skyrim gets that treatment, A lot of people hate on Oblivion now.

theuncharted34

Lul wut? Oblivion was a mediocre game, and Skyrim is better. This is based on facts, not opinions, such as fixed level-scaling, more variation, and hand-crafted dungeons etc.

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#47 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="Steameffekt"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Because everyone buys it because of the Hype and every one of its glaring flaws gets ignored because of that.

Like CoD.

theuncharted34

You see, the flaws with Skyrim like bugs and glitches, etc can be fixed with an update. Now the flaws with COD, now that's a different story.

They haven't fixed anything yet.

The game is basically in Alpha.

looks pretty finished to me. i dont think you've ever played a game that was in alpha......
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#48 edidili
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I agree with every single point this guy says. people here act like they are afraid to call out Skyrim on its sh*t, and its faults

StrongDeadlift

Afraid from whom exactly? There are average parts about the game, like the writting, story and npc interaction. We got spoiled by Bioware and Bethesda is nowhere near when it comes to storytelling and memorable characters. Having said that is the first game in quite a while that I'm still enjoying even 100 hours later and I have yet to finish the main quest.

... and count me with the lucky ones that didn't had bugs.

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#49 foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="Tikeio"]Really? I don't know about that. It's a Bethesda game after all....

"Most" being the vast majority of the mainstream casual audience that bought the game because it's Oblivion 2. On these boards in particular, I don't doubt we'll still be seeing this fight well into the new year, especially if Skyrim doesn't win GOTY.
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#50 max-Emadness
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TC whether u like it or not skyrim is gonna win some awards here on gamespot maybe even goty altho i think tatll go to dark souls