Why would anyone not own a gaming PC?

Well I dunno man, it wasn't an issue for me when I upgraded to a 7900GT 4 or 5 years ago. I had one of those random desktop store-bought PCs and just upgraded my CPU, RAM and GPU without issue. Didn't even need to upgrade my PSU.

argetlam00

Correct me if i'm wrong but the 7900gt was a single slot card, correct? It didn't have a large cooling fan attached, that utilized two slots.

Many modern GPU's, due to increase in performance, utilize a dual-slot design for colling features. Space becomes a huge issue with these beasts, due to them increasing in size so dramatically.

Example:

7900GT

4770

[QUOTE="devious742"]

actually most if not all PCs sold in stores like Best buy have a large sticker or notification saying it contains a PCIE 16 slot to add a gfx card.. well atleast in my local best buy..

lundy86_4

Pretty much all modern boards now use PCI X16, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I was simply talking about awful layouts on cheaper boards, and space issues.

I've used a budget Asus P5KPL-AM EPU motherboard which cost me £35 for just over a year , and the only problem I've had with it was the graphic card taking up a PCI slot. I've experienced no faultys, despite my overclocked system.

Well in the end, lets take worst case scenario, that you do need to upgrade the PSU, motherboard and case. Thats still FAR cheaper than building a WHOLE rig. Should be about 150 for those 3 and then you can pick out a GPU.

argetlam00

I absolutely agree, considering the new motherboard you are utilizing consists of the same socket type for the CPU, otherwise the CPU will need upgrading.

Either way, it'll come down to similar costs.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Not to mention they use small, terribly designed cases with little to no airflow.

Exactly. Most store-bought PC's are not designed for heavy upgrading.

Well in the end, lets take worst case scenario, that you do need to upgrade the PSU, motherboard and case. Thats still FAR cheaper than building a WHOLE rig. Should be no more than 150 for those 3 and then you can pick out a GPU.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]I understand where you're coming from, but what if money isn't the issue. People shy away from PC gaming for no legitimate reason other then "it doesn't interest me", yet they never give it a chance. They say all their favorite franchises are for consoles, but how do you think those franchises became their favorites? :(argetlam00

Yeah, you are "not interested" without ever experiencing the features. Sounds like a completely rational judgement call.

Why would you not buy a different car from the one you have? I mean, you didn't even experience all the features of the other cards so it is irrational for you to say you aren't interested in other cars. You should buy them all and only then can your decision to like your current car rational.

Why do you prefer coke when you haven't experienced every other flavour of soda in the world? Why do you prefer a certain sport, or type of clothing, etc, etc, etc.

That is life. If you think life and reality are not rational, then I guess that explains why you can't comprehend why others have different opinions from your own.

I've used a budget Asus P5KPL-AM EPU motherboard for just over a year , and the only problem I've had with it was the graphic card taking up a PCI slot. I've experienced no faultys, despite my overclocked system.

WhenCicadasCry

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying low-end boards are outright prone to faults. They are definately more susceptible due to the cost, and quality, should you not be using a higher-end brand such as Asus.

I was simply arguing the form factor of boards, and the types of boards typically used in store-bought PC's. We all know they're nowhere near good :P

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Not to mention they use small, terribly designed cases with little to no airflow.

argetlam00

Exactly. Most store-bought PC's are not designed for heavy upgrading.

Well in the end, lets take worst case scenario, that you do need to upgrade the PSU, motherboard and case. Thats still FAR cheaper than building a WHOLE rig. Should be about 150 for those 3 and then you can pick out a GPU.

"Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the customer may maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. Unless upgraded or replaced under warranty, if the motherboard is upgraded, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. The original Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to another computer."

Seems like more trouble than it's worth if you picked up a ~$400-something computer, honestly.

can't we all just get along

Chris_Williams

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Well I dunno man, it wasn't an issue for me when I upgraded to a 7900GT 4 or 5 years ago. I had one of those random desktop store-bought PCs and just upgraded my CPU, RAM and GPU without issue. Didn't even need to upgrade my PSU.

lundy86_4

Correct me if i'm wrong but the 7900gt was a single slot card, correct? It didn't have a large cooling fan attached, that utilized two slots.

Many modern GPU's, due to increase in performance, utilize a dual-slot design for colling features. Space becomes a huge issue with these beasts, due to them increasing in size so dramatically.

Example:

7900GT

4770

Well this was the 7900GTX:

Well this was the 7900GTX:

NVIDIATI

We weren't talking about the 7900GTX :P

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

I've used a budget Asus P5KPL-AM EPU motherboard for just over a year , and the only problem I've had with it was the graphic card taking up a PCI slot. I've experienced no faultys, despite my overclocked system.

lundy86_4

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying low-end boards are outright prone to faults. They are definately more susceptible due to the cost, and quality, should you not be using a higher-end brand such as Asus.

I was simply arguing the form factor of boards, and the types of boards typically used in store-bought PC's. We all know they're nowhere near good :P

Yup, most pre-built store PCs use generic components, which can be pretty damn dangerous, especially when it comes to the PSU. Apart from Dell. Their PSUs are awesome.

Yup, most pre-built store PCs use generic components, which can be pretty damn dangerous, especially when it comes to the PSU. Apart from Dell. Their PSUs are awesome.

WhenCicadasCry

I heard Dell PSU's were excellent. I never owned a Dell, so I wouldn't know.

Pretty surprising.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Well this was the 7900GTX:

lundy86_4

We weren't talking about the 7900GTX :P

Though you do have a point that some of the new cards, 5870, 5970, GTX 480 are Very large cards. I had to cut some of my mid size case to get my 5870 to fit. :(

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Well this was the 7900GTX:

lundy86_4

We weren't talking about the 7900GTX :P

That is one ugly card. :P

I know, but it was around the same time as the 7900GT and it was a very large card compared to something like an 8800GT or 9800GT

Though you do have a point that some of the new cards, 5870, 5970, GTX 480 are Very large cards. I had to cut some of my mid size case to get my 5870 to fit. :(

NVIDIATI

Yeah, the reason we specified on the GT was because that's the card Argetlam upgraded to.

The new sizes of cards are ridiculous, but that's the price we pay for the ridiculous performance we get :P

I'm looking at a GTX 480, but I want to upgrade all at once, so I can get a nice i7 and 6gb DDR3.

Edit: You also suck for having a 5870... God damn you! :x

I consider myself smart... but not computer gaming smart. And dont these computers cost 1,000 and up? If we all were to get a gaming pc... the community wouldnt be so much mature! And did i mention money?

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

I know, but it was around the same time as the 7900GT and it was a very large card compared to something like an 8800GT or 9800GT

Though you do have a point that some of the new cards, 5870, 5970, GTX 480 are Very large cards. I had to cut some of my mid size case to get my 5870 to fit. :(

Yeah, the reason we specified on the GT was because that's the card Argetlam upgraded to.

The new sizes of cards are ridiculous, but that's the price we pay for the ridiculous performance we get :P

I'm looking at a GTX 480, but I want to upgrade all at once, so I can get a nice i7 and 6gb DDR3.

Edit: You also suck for having a 5870... God damn you! :x

:( I would have liked a GTX 480, or even a 5970, but I got my 5870 last year at launch and wasn't in the mood to wait. Though the best thing about this card is the amount I can overclock on stock cooling. Default is 850/1200 and I have it running at 900/1300 with no problems.NVIDIATI

Those are some seriously nice overclocks. The only worry I have for the GTX 480 is overclocking on stock, as it'll probably burn my house down.

I may reconsider and go ATI again, if I can get some heavy overclocks with nice temps.

If PCs were so great, consoles wouldn't exist. Yet, they do - so consoles fulfil the needs of a segment of the market.

I like my PC. But choice is good, so as long as people choose something they're happy with...it's all ok.

(Hey, perhaps we can close SW now? :P )

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]that rig sucks try harderZIMdoom

How can it "vastly outperform" consoles if, by your own admission, may only run modern games at settings "comparable" to consoles?

That is one ugly card. :P

WhenCicadasCry

Yeah, it's not pretty. I much like the newer cards, due to there faceplates that cover the whole card. Some even have some pretty cool designs

If you're not brought up around the PC community, or have friends who are interested in the hobby, most people just don't see the point or need to spending the time it takes to learn about every PC part, learn all the terms, learn how to build one etc. And since that's the case for so many people, when they go to PC shops, a lot of the time they meet people who are unsociable and snobbish, (yes I know most PC gamers and retailers aren't always like that, but some really are) and some who will charge way to much to help build a proper gaming PC, or wont even help people with parts.

Now a days most people are perfectly content to use other devices that make PC rigs obsolete to themselves, like iphones for internet and social networking, consoles and handhelds for gaming. These majority of people want simplicity, because they don't spend all day and night thinking about every aspect of the inner-workings of a gaming system. They'd much rather spend their time just playing games, surfing the net, spending time outside with friends and family, or other hobbies. People want to be more portable now also, big rigs are cumbersome and immobile.

It's perfectly fine that some of you guys enjoy building, upgrading, trouble shooting, and discussing fine detailed specs, creating user modifications for popular games, and all that. The rest of us are quite happy with other, more user-friendly products that let us enjoy entertainment media, so just let everybody do what they want to do.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Well I dunno man, it wasn't an issue for me when I upgraded to a 7900GT 4 or 5 years ago. I had one of those random desktop store-bought PCs and just upgraded my CPU, RAM and GPU without issue. Didn't even need to upgrade my PSU.

NVIDIATI

Correct me if i'm wrong but the 7900gt was a single slot card, correct? It didn't have a large cooling fan attached, that utilized two slots.

Many modern GPU's, due to increase in performance, utilize a dual-slot design for colling features. Space becomes a huge issue with these beasts, due to them increasing in size so dramatically.

Example:

7900GT

4770

Well this was the 7900GTX:

I'll probably be going the mid-spec route with my next upgrade; thinking an i5 760 and 1GB GTX 460. I've got a 1680x1050 resolution monitor and just don't think the higher end graphics cards will be necessary for the forseeable future. Maybe in 3 years? I wasn't all too impressed with Metro 2033's DirectX 11 mode either, game looks great in DX9/10 and apparently plays like a charm in it.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

That is one ugly card. :P

lundy86_4

Yeah, it's not pretty. I much like the newer cards, due to there faceplates that cover the whole card. Some even have some pretty cool designs

Yup, I tend to avoid cards that have tons of PBC showing.

My card. Sleek and sexy. :P

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Correct me if i'm wrong but the 7900gt was a single slot card, correct? It didn't have a large cooling fan attached, that utilized two slots.

Many modern GPU's, due to increase in performance, utilize a dual-slot design for colling features. Space becomes a huge issue with these beasts, due to them increasing in size so dramatically.

Example:

7900GT

4770

Rockman999

Well this was the 7900GTX:

Yup, I tend to avoid cards that have tons of PBC showing.

My card. Sleek and sexy. :P

WhenCicadasCry

Man, gotta love the 4800 series, mines still going strong (4870). I'm only upgrading out of the need to feel like my PC could benchpress a small car.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]

Money, most people dont like to spend it.

argetlam00

Yet, PC games are cheaper than console games (especially when we start talking Steam deals) and you get far more than gaming with a new PC.

gaming pc cost more then consoles
too much hassle like installing games and dealing with errors etc
console exclusives like killzone, uncharted, alan wake etc interest me more then pc exclusive
dont like RTS
i enjoy TF2 on 360 more then TF2 on pc, pc version is great as well

I'll probably be going the mid-spec route with my next upgrade; thinking an i5 760 and 1GB GTX 460. I've got a 1680x1050 resolution monitor and just don't think the higher end graphics cards will be necessary for the forseeable future. Maybe in 3 years? I wasn't all too impressed with Metro 2033's DirectX 11 mode either, game looks great in DX9/10 and apparently plays like a charm in it.

SakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Yup, I tend to avoid cards that have tons of PBC showing.

My card. Sleek and sexy. :P

lundy86_4

Man, gotta love the 4800 series, mines still going strong (4870). I'm only upgrading out of the need to feel like my PC could benchpress a small car.

The 4870 should last me a while. Built this pc last year and I'm loving this card.

I have two of these in my box. Sapphire 4870's. I might upgrade to the new Nvidia though.

[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Well this was the 7900GTX:

NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

In reality. Most people already have PCs. The computers I've seen in stores have decent CPUs and RAM (usually 4GB and Quad Core), though the video card is really bad. Thus, to start PC gaming, most people really just need to buy a video card and they are set.

lundy86_4

Not true, as the PSu is the major obstacle. The ones they come with are usually awful.

On top of that, most may use low-end motherboards, with bad layouts, or lack of slots for expanding the PC's features. Cases are also an issue, especially when including mid-high end cards, as heat becomes more of an issue, along with space.

I have two of these in my box. Sapphire 4870's. I might upgrade to the new Nvidia though.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Damn that looks like something that would go in a car engine.04dcarraher

lmao...

This would have been a lot cleaner:

...but not nearly as cool :P

Seriously? Despite all the advantages, there are still pure console gamers and it blows my mind.

PC gaming is:

1) not that expensive. I've seen good PC's built for 500 if your REALLY on budget.

2) Has more high scoring exclusives than all 3 consoles combined

3) Has mods, I've seen mods offered for free that are superior to expansion packs. Infact, many games IMO like Rome Total War would be garbage without mods. They can completely revolutionize a game.

4) I've found that PC games generally have the best and most mature community of players

5) PC gaming has unmatched technical power and the versatility it gives is next to none. While consoles are likely to be stuck with 1080p even on the NEXT generation, PC gaming, if you are willing to spend the money, can be running across multiple monitors with features like eyefinity.1920x1200 x 3 is 5760p.

6) Yes, PC gaming can be played on your "comfy" couch and you can connect your PC to your HDTV. If you don't want to use the superior M+K (superior for most genres that is) for a game, you can just connect a controller. LIke I said before, VERSATILITY

7) Best versions of all multiplats. Infact, some multiplats are so good on PC that they might as well be considered a whole different experience. Case in point, Team Fortress 2.

So, why do some people actually not game on PC?

argetlam00

1. A 500 dollar pc is not a gaming pc

2. Take out RTS,FPS and MMO and the pc doesnt have much at all when it comes to high scoring exclusvies. If you dont like those genres then that doesnt do you much good. And there are plenty of titles on the PS3/360 that are not on the pc.

3. Rome total war? You think console gamers care two craps about Rome total war? Mods help some games and are non existent on others. Most consolites have other games they can move to within a matter of weeks.

4. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.I play Leage of Legends right now on pc and it is one of the worst online communites I have ever played with. Same goes for Battlenet and many ohter pc online services the only diffrence is most people dont have a mic so you get to see them type there rage instead of vocing it.

5. The diffrence between 1080p and 1900x1200 is minimum at best. And the next generation of consoles will be pushing games with assets so high that no current pc will dream of running it at 1900x1200 res. Why would consoles focus on pushing more when there are only 1080p tv's?

6. Yea i got my pc hooked up to my tv but having a Keybored trey in my lap isnt more comfortable then a controller and most the genres I play Mouse and Keybored is worthless.

7. Sorry but you are wrong again. I would never play Assasins Creed 2 on pc it is horrible littered with bugs and a crappy DRAM feature that runins the game same with Splinter cell: Conviction and other games like SF4 where the online community on pc is non existent and the visual diffrene in those games are only resolution qualtiy.

At the end of the day it all comes down to prefrence and you are talking to someone who owns a gaming pc and still likes consoles better.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Yup, I tend to avoid cards that have tons of PBC showing.

My card. Sleek and sexy. :P

lundy86_4

Man, gotta love the 4800 series, mines still going strong (4870). I'm only upgrading out of the need to feel like my PC could benchpress a small car.

Haha yeah. Mines still going strong, despite choking abit at Metro 2033. But turning the res down to 1600x900 and I was good to go, and it still looked gorgeous due to AAA. :) Definitely upgrading in the near future in anticipation for Crysis 2, The Witcher 2 and Shogun 2 though. Not sure which card to get.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Seriously? Despite all the advantages, there are still pure console gamers and it blows my mind.

PC gaming is:

1) not that expensive. I've seen good PC's built for 500 if your REALLY on budget.

2) Has more high scoring exclusives than all 3 consoles combined

3) Has mods, I've seen mods offered for free that are superior to expansion packs. Infact, many games IMO like Rome Total War would be garbage without mods. They can completely revolutionize a game.

4) I've found that PC games generally have the best and most mature community of players

5) PC gaming has unmatched technical power and the versatility it gives is next to none. While consoles are likely to be stuck with 1080p even on the NEXT generation, PC gaming, if you are willing to spend the money, can be running across multiple monitors with features like eyefinity.1920x1200 x 3 is 5760p.

6) Yes, PC gaming can be played on your "comfy" couch and you can connect your PC to your HDTV. If you don't want to use the superior M+K (superior for most genres that is) for a game, you can just connect a controller. LIke I said before, VERSATILITY

7) Best versions of all multiplats. Infact, some multiplats are so good on PC that they might as well be considered a whole different experience. Case in point, Team Fortress 2.

So, why do some people actually not game on PC?

TheSterls

1. A 500 dollar pc is not a gaming pc

2. Take out RTS,FPS and MMO and the pc doesnt have much at all when it comes to high scoring exclusvies. If you dont like those genres then that doesnt do you much good. And there are plenty of titles on the PS3/360 that are not on the pc.

3. Rome total war? You think console gamers care two craps about Rome total war? Mods help some games and are non existent on others. Most consolites have other games they can move to within a matter of weeks.

4. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.I play Leage of Legends right now on pc and it is one of the worst online communites I have ever played with. Same goes for Battlenet and many ohter pc online services the only diffrence is most people dont have a mic so you get to see them type there rage instead of vocing it.

5. The diffrence between 1080p and 1900x1200 is minimum at best. And the next generation of consoles will be pushing games with assets so high that no current pc will dream of running it at 1900x1200 res. Why would consoles focus on pushing more when there are only 1080p tv's?

6. Yea i got my pc hooked up to my tv but having a Keybored trey in my lap isnt more comfortable then a controller and most the genres I play Mouse and Keybored is worthless.

7. Sorry but you are wrong again. I would never play Assasins Creed 2 on pc it is horrible littered with bugs and a crappy DRAM feature that runins the game same with Splinter cell: Conviction and other games like SF4 where the online community on pc is non existent and the visual diffrene in those games are only resolution qualtiy.

At the end of the day it all comes down to prefrence and you are talking to someone who owns a gaming pc and still likes consoles better.

GAMING PC:

$560 with rebates:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1973/560pc.jpg

· Case

· DVD Drive

· 550W PSU

· KB/M + Speakers

· AMD Quad Core Black Edition 2.5ghz

· CPU Fan

· AM2+ MOBO

· Windows 7

· 2GB DDR2 800

· 320GB HDD 7200rpm

· ATI 5770 1GB

· USB TV Tuner

PC Review Standards:

"It's a given that the PC version of a multiplatform game is gonna look better. But MW2 on PC is getting compared to other PC shooters. I played that version, not the console versions, and while MW2 looks good, it looks no better than what you'd expect it to look like. If our standard of comparison for PC games was "the console version," the PC version would get a higher score than the others over 90% of the time." Kevin V

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] If you think that's weird get a look at some of these:

lmao...

This would have been a lot cleaner:

...but not nearly as cool :P

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Seriously? Despite all the advantages, there are still pure console gamers and it blows my mind.

PC gaming is:

1) not that expensive. I've seen good PC's built for 500 if your REALLY on budget.

2) Has more high scoring exclusives than all 3 consoles combined

3) Has mods, I've seen mods offered for free that are superior to expansion packs. Infact, many games IMO like Rome Total War would be garbage without mods. They can completely revolutionize a game.

4) I've found that PC games generally have the best and most mature community of players

5) PC gaming has unmatched technical power and the versatility it gives is next to none. While consoles are likely to be stuck with 1080p even on the NEXT generation, PC gaming, if you are willing to spend the money, can be running across multiple monitors with features like eyefinity.1920x1200 x 3 is 5760p.

6) Yes, PC gaming can be played on your "comfy" couch and you can connect your PC to your HDTV. If you don't want to use the superior M+K (superior for most genres that is) for a game, you can just connect a controller. LIke I said before, VERSATILITY

7) Best versions of all multiplats. Infact, some multiplats are so good on PC that they might as well be considered a whole different experience. Case in point, Team Fortress 2.

So, why do some people actually not game on PC?

1. A 500 dollar pc is not a gaming pc

2. Take out RTS,FPS and MMO and the pc doesnt have much at all when it comes to high scoring exclusvies. If you dont like those genres then that doesnt do you much good. And there are plenty of titles on the PS3/360 that are not on the pc.

3. Rome total war? You think console gamers care two craps about Rome total war? Mods help some games and are non existent on others. Most consolites have other games they can move to within a matter of weeks.

4. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.I play Leage of Legends right now on pc and it is one of the worst online communites I have ever played with. Same goes for Battlenet and many ohter pc online services the only diffrence is most people dont have a mic so you get to see them type there rage instead of vocing it.

5. The diffrence between 1080p and 1900x1200 is minimum at best. And the next generation of consoles will be pushing games with assets so high that no current pc will dream of running it at 1900x1200 res. Why would consoles focus on pushing more when there are only 1080p tv's?

6. Yea i got my pc hooked up to my tv but having a Keybored trey in my lap isnt more comfortable then a controller and most the genres I play Mouse and Keybored is worthless.

7. Sorry but you are wrong again. I would never play Assasins Creed 2 on pc it is horrible littered with bugs and a crappy DRAM feature that runins the game same with Splinter cell: Conviction and other games like SF4 where the online community on pc is non existent and the visual diffrene in those games are only resolution qualtiy.

At the end of the day it all comes down to prefrence and you are talking to someone who owns a gaming pc and still likes consoles better.

GAMING PC:

$560 with rebates:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1973/560pc.jpg

· Case

· DVD Drive

· 550W PSU

· KB/M + Speakers

· AMD Quad Core Black Edition 2.5ghz

· CPU Fan

· AM2+ MOBO

· Windows 7

· 2GB DDR2 800

· 320GB HDD 7200rpm

· ATI 5770 1GB

· USB TV Tuner

PC Review Standards:

"It's a given that the PC version of a multiplatform game is gonna look better. But MW2 on PC is getting compared to other PC shooters. I played that version, not the console versions, and while MW2 looks good, it looks no better than what you'd expect it to look like. If our standard of comparison for PC games was "the console version," the PC version would get a higher score than the others over 90% of the time." Kevin V

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Now, now, you better watch what you say :P

04dcarraher

lmao...

This would have been a lot cleaner:

...but not nearly as cool :P

i enjoy TF2 on 360 more then TF2 on pc, pc version is great as well

sikanderahmed

How is that even possible? :| Have you ever tried TF2 on PC?

Gaming pc's are not for everyone. Gaing on the console its so much easier just pop in a disk and play.

The 4870 should last me a while. Built this pc last year and I'm loving this card.

Suffca

It's a solid card. My Sapphire 4870 1gb also overclocks pretty nicely as well, without any need to worry about temps.

Gaming pc's are not for everyone. Gaing on the console its so much easier just pop in a disk and play.

GTSaiyanjin2

Same with PC, just click the icon and play.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Now, now, you better watch what you say :P

04dcarraher

lmao...

This would have been a lot cleaner:

...but not nearly as cool :P